Whiteline

[0098]

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[BlitZ]

Firstly ive searched and for some reason i cant send private messages to whiteline. so..

WHITELINE i have one of your swaybars and my subframe is cracked, torn, or however you would like to call it due to your stupid and obviously untested product which was apparently supposed to help the car, but instead we have seen what it results in many times. Clearly you are aware of this issue and it has shown by the addition of a reinforcement bar with your newer products.
Im not going to have a cry and ask for this to be fixed for free, because i didnt put it on the car (the previous owner did). If you want to offer to fix it thats fine but the very least you can do is advise me where i can get this fixed ASAP because im not going to drive my car with this crack, even though i need to!. At this current time in my life i have much much more important things to worry about and sort out and i need my car, so please understand my frustration.
I am in Sydney, more precisely the Fairfield region.

If you want to send me an email, i dont care
spalato1911@hotmail.com

JUST GET BACK TO ME.

this is ****ed up.

I was the first

I got my fixed at blue print Smash repairs... Next door to whiteline.;)

they paid $500 ... total cost was $1200

good job with perfect alignments

[EK4R]

whitelined paid 500? or who

[0098]

$1200.... What exactly had to be done?

[Zdster]

$1200.... What exactly had to be done?

Take out the existing subframe and weld in a whole new one (I would imagine). Pretty major job! Goodluck getting it all sorted.

[BlitZ]

Take out the existing subframe and weld in a whole new one (I would imagine). Pretty major job! Goodluck getting it all sorted.

subframe ~2-300 from honda.

Drop fuel tank, drill out spot welds,
align new subframe and respot weld..

then a coat of deadening..

i think

[bennjamin]

this is a scarily common problem...it has happened on about 15 peoples cars including mine that i can think of....

Guys , please contact whiteline direct http://www.whiteline.com.au/ OR


PHONE:
(02) 9603 0111
1800 040 003 (toll free)
int+ 61 2 9603 0111 (international)

Please , in the meantime avoid whiteline products UNTIL they have rectified their "build" issues.

[0098]

thanks fellas.

blitz how severe was your damage?

[EK4R]

i think you can fit the ASR brace on with the whiteline with some new brackets? that should stop the problem i would think...i hope anyways cos i will be running whiteline

[0098]

yeh
but thats really not the point man..

[Mr_will]

getting cranky and being rude is never the best way to get what you want.

[0098]

thats being polite

luckily for this forum im not being rude or angry even though i have every right to seeing that they specialise in what they do yet have designed,sold and profited from something that tears subframes.. seriously ripping a chunk out of subframes is not a small thing.

[civic_mods]

the whiteline sway u hv, does it comes with no reinforcement? or the old reinforcement? or the new type of reinforcement?

[BlitZ]

thanks fellas.

blitz how severe was your damage?

Both left and right tabs were mashed

[BlitZ]

honest to say i have been there and done that...

I even wrote a whole comparison b/w whiteline beaks and ASR.

Just most noobs did not read it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/civic168/civic/2e7ab0da.jpg

[beeza]

getting cranky and being rude is never the best way to get what you want.

Mate,he's just had the guts ripped out of his car:eek: This comment is only going to infuriate him more :thumbsup:.

Think b4 you post dumb s**t like this!

Whiteline sell a faulty product.This has been prooved time and time again.He is due full compensation and an apology.

Whiteline should remove the product of the market PERIOD! This is a joke!

It's frustrating to see this continuing to happen.Why haven't Whiteline taken this product off the shelves?????

[BlitZ]

It's frustrating to see this continuing to happen.Why haven't Whiteline taken this product off the shelves?????

It has been taken off the shelf about 3-6months ago replaced with a reinforcement plate... even then the plate is shit compared to ASR ;)

eventhough my case happened years ago

[Zdster]

It really hurts and I can understand the OP feelings.

If Whiteline were truely concerned the least they should do is put a warning on their website or to show true commitment to their customers offer a free upgrade (although as Blitz said the ASR product is still superior).

[Zdster]

honest to say i have been there and done that...

I even wrote a whole comparison b/w whiteline beaks and ASR.

Just most noobs did not read it.



It was a very good read and I highly suggest people look for it and read it!

Did both tabs end up ripping? Did they end up separating from the subframe completly?

[beeza]

It really hurts and I can understand the OP feelings.

If Whiteline were truely concerned the least they should do is put a warning on their website or to show true commitment to their customers offer a free upgrade (although as Blitz said the ASR product is still superior).

Yeah exactly.They are only blackening thier name by keeping the old product out thier.I'm sure we will see more of these threads.
Then,I guess they will have to change thier name :o

[0098]

Ideally what they should do is make an announcement on their website or somewhere telling people who are using their old faulty product to come to whiteline for a free upgrade. Just like other companys recall faulty products.
That would prevent even more people get a torn subframe and show they care about their customers.

I just dont get how people can sell things like this, its like they bent a metal bar , hooked it up to a test car, drove around the block and then released it onto the market...seriously

[beeza]

I feel ya pain man.And everybody else who has gone through it too.

[bennjamin]

whiteline import their bars and most items from overseas , i doubt anything is actually made in OZ. They have released a version 2 for EK's only - but that leaves the EG/DCs too. ITs still a flawed design , they left out the fundamental reason the old kit has problems.

They dont have a rear plate to link the mounting plate. the ASR and BEAKS kit does , and it provides a solid mounting point on your subframe - not 2 or 3 20c piece sized points , which must support the entire swaybar AND its movements. TAKE NOTE. :thumbdwn:

[beeza]

Ah I see,it's a team of monkeys that designs them.
I think I will just go and bash my head against a wall.Same result.

[aaronng]

Whiteline sell a faulty product.This has been prooved time and time again.He is due full compensation and an apology.

If you read 0098's post,
he didn't even buy the whiteline sway bar. It was put onto his car by the previous owner that owned the car. I bet he was happy when he purchased the car that he was getting a whiteline bar included in the price. ;) I won't think Whiteline is obligated in any way to cover 0098's repair bill. If the previous owner who purchased the bar was complaining, then yes, Whiteline has some obligation.

I wonder if 0098 installed a reinforcement kit like all EK owners are advised to if they have an upgraded rear sway bar. http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55786&highlight=torn+subframe

And it's not 100% whiteline's fault. Even Accord Euros have the problem with the rear subframe bracket tearing if we use a swaybar thicker than 22mm with poly bushings and thicker endlinks.

[bennjamin]

beeza , as mentioned above the user 0098 isnt due compensation of any kind. IF whiteline agrees to any sort of compensation its in their moral grounding , not legal or technical.

FYI aarong and everyone , the "kit" for this example is the tried and tested 20/22mm swaybar kit with "mounting". There is no simple swaybar addition.

Other companies ( BEAKS for example) have had problems with their kits and rectified quite quickly. But whitelines "version 2 " kit is still not at the same league of its competition ( ASR / BEAKS).

Best of luck 0098 and contact whiteline direct as mentioned by me eariler


Guys , please contact whiteline direct http://www.whiteline.com.au/ OR

Quote:
PHONE:
(02) 9603 0111
1800 040 003 (toll free)
int+ 61 2 9603 0111 (international)
Please , in the meantime avoid whiteline products UNTIL they have rectified their "build" issues.

[0098]

It is purely their products fault, if i purchased the thing or not isnt really the point. It isnt their obligation to give me a refund ofcourse not but they should be held accountable and take responsibility, just like if i purchase a house and the washing machine that i didnt buy but was already there catches on fire and burns my house down i think dishlex or whoever would get some blame.
Saw some people today about getting it fixed, they all said it is a shit design and the supporting brackets are not good enought etc..

Im over it and its better i dont see anyone from whiteline because i know whoever deals with me is just a worker and they shouldnt cop abuse.. If it was the owner of whiteline then that would be a different story:kiss2:

Whiteline always looked cheap and dodgy to me and in the end i was right.

Love yas all
whiteline:thumbdwn:

[Killa From Manila]

If it was the owner of whiteline then that would be a different story:kiss2:

gettin freakay with the owner for some compo aye :P

[Zdster]

If you read 0098's post, . It was put onto his car by the previous owner that owned the car. I bet he was happy when he purchased the car that he was getting a whiteline bar included in the price. ;) I won't think Whiteline is obligated in any way to cover 0098's repair bill. If the previous owner who purchased the bar was complaining, then yes, Whiteline has some obligation..

I agree they dont have to do anything, but the bar caused the fault and this in my opinion place moral issues on Whiteline.



And it's not 100% whiteline's fault. Even Accord Euros have the problem with the rear subframe bracket tearing if we use a swaybar thicker than 22mm with poly bushings and thicker endlinks.

I disagree. They are selling a product that they know may cause problems. At a minimum they should have big bold warnings on the bars/boxes/instructions that say there is a potential issue with installing larger swaybars and that the owner is taking some risk installing it.

[aaronng]

I disagree. They are selling a product that they know may cause problems. At a minimum they should have big bold warnings on the bars/boxes/instructions that say there is a potential issue with installing larger swaybars and that the owner is taking some risk installing it.
If you purchased a rear sway bar for the EK from another brand that did not have a suitable reinforcement kit, you would also get the same subframe tearing. The difference is that other brands have rectified the problem by including good bracing. Whiteline hasn't and I am agreeing with you that their product is inferior. What I am disagreeing with is that a car's chassis is designed with OEM parts in mind. When you use upgraded/stiffer parts, you place additional stresses that can overwhelm the material/thickness that the chassis is made out of. When you purchase an aftermarket higher-specced product or a car with such a part, this is the risk that you choose to take.

[BlitZ]

Other companies ( BEAKS for example) have had problems with their kits and rectified quite quickly. But whitelines "version 2 " kit is still not at the same league of its competition ( ASR / BEAKS).


Beaks is pretty shit dude.. i would think it would be only on par with the Whitline V2 (the latest one)

ITs either comptech or ASR.

[aaronng]

Beaks is pretty shit dude.. i would think it would be only on par with the Whitline V2 (the latest one)

ITs either comptech or ASR.
The Comptech 22mm rear sway bar either breaks the endlinks or tears the mount off the subframe on the Accord Euros. There is also a Progress 22mm bar, and that doesn't cause the same problem.

[BlitZ]

The Comptech 22mm rear sway bar either breaks the endlinks or tears the mount off the subframe on the Accord Euros. There is also a Progress 22mm bar, and that doesn't cause the same problem.


We are talkin about EK here:thumbsup:

they use OEM endlinks and is almost exactly the same as ASR (EK) from memory

[aaronng]

We are talkin about EK here:thumbsup:

they use OEM endlinks and is almost exactly the same as ASR (EK) from memory

I know, but I am saying you can't generalise whether a brand is good or bad. If they have a product that exceeds the limits of the chassis, you will get damage if there is no bracing in the product, doesn't matter if it is a good or shit brand.

[Limbo]

Comes down to where or not they have a duty of care towards you. As you did not purchase the product from them, they only have a contract with the original owner. You would have to get compensation from the prior owner and then they would have to get compensation from whiteline. Whiteline would not have any obligations to a 3rd party who was not privvy to the original purchase.

I know its tough but that's how things are. Suing the original owner will be hard as they do not have any obligations of warranty toward you also. Just rem. 'buyer beware'. Know what you are buying before you buy it.

Just rem folks if your gonna run the whiteline bar, i would recommend and ASR brace, at worse use the beaks kit. I've tried with and without and it wouldn't use another whiteline bar now without the ASR brace.

[0098]

its all about the dishlex theory

[bennjamin]

just pulled out ANOTHER broken whiteline swaybar mounting kit off a EK.
The lower bolt mount snapped clean off - was torqued correctly and installed correctly by myself 6 months prior.

Ill let the user post this imagery up if he wishes.

[mrwillz]

does it tear by normal driving, eg daily
or taken pretty hard every now n then?

or it jus rips either way? (standard whiteline kit)

[Zdster]

does it tear by normal driving, eg daily
or taken pretty hard every now n then?

or it jus rips either way? (standard whiteline kit)

Daily driving from what I have heard.

[gbang007]

why don't people just use OEM ek4 swaybars? too hard to find possibly?

[chilli]

i was wondering, im not sure if this has been already said, but do you have the thicker front swaybar installed as well?? I think this helped for my car (eg taking some load off the rear thru corners). Yet to have a tearing frame. *fingers crossed lol*

[chilli]

does it tear by normal driving, eg daily
or taken pretty hard every now n then?

or it jus rips either way? (standard whiteline kit)

hey willz!
my suspension is still fine, I think iv tested it pretty hard. didnt even damage when i jumped into ditch =]. only the front came a tad loose. And one of the rear arms has a tiny dint from landing to one side.

[DNYALL]

This may have been answered already but, if the whiteline swaybar is mounted right with the correct whiteline mounting brackets as well as the whiteline tie bar, will it be ok or is there a chance of it ripping still, even with the correct fittings and tie bar.

Or is it only a risk when it is just the swaybar.

I have the whiteline 22mm sway + tie combo on my car and have had it for about 2 years now and no problems. I took it to the track for the first time a month ago and am planning on tracking more often so yeah. Should i be worried even with the tie bar?????

[bennjamin]

Its proven to "tear out" regardless of setup.

Either with optional tiebar , or without - the common setup is the 20/22mm adjustable swaybar to tear out either side of the subframe. This is because of the extra stress on its mounting points on the subframe. IF the mounting was spread out (same as ASR kit etc) then there would be much less likely an issue.

But , as it stands - all older and the new current whiteline "heavy duty" mounting kits that suit EG/DC and EK's are flawed and i personally would avoid them.

*edit

[0098]

This may have been answered already but, if the whiteline swaybar is mounted right with the correct whiteline mounting brackets as well as the whiteline tie bar, will it be ok or is there a chance of it ripping still, even with the correct fittings and tie bar.

Or is it only a risk when it is just the swaybar.

I have the whiteline 22mm sway + tie combo on my car and have had it for about 2 years now and no problems. I took it to the track for the first time a month ago and am planning on tracking more often so yeah. Should i be worried even with the tie bar?????

My car has had both for i think 5+ years with correct fittings and brackets, my has been tracked once about 4 years ago and the tear has just happened recently while i have owned the car , and ive only driven on public roads so ive done no crazy turns etc..
Id hate to think what can potentially happen to a car that is tracked every now and again. I wouldnt risk it, maybe get an asr brace if people can vouch that they definately work.

[aaronng]

But , as it stands - all older and the new current whiteline kits that suit EG/DC and EK's are flawed and i personally would avoid them.
Does that mean if you get a different brand who's design is not flawed but still didn't get the ASR bracing kit, the subframe wouldn't tear?

[bennjamin]

Does that mean if you get a different brand who's design is not flawed but still didn't get the ASR bracing kit, the subframe wouldn't tear?

Not the swaybars themselves.
The issue with whiteline kits is the mounting kits. They lack sufficient bracing and also put too much pressure/force on too little space so its simply a matter of time until any design swaybar plucks a hole out of your subframe ( applicable to EG/DC and EK's)

[e240]

Those of you with an EG, who are using the thick Whiteline rear sway bars, do you use these with the heavy duty mounting kit in conjunction with a Tie Bar and still experience tearing?

Frankly, I've tracked a couple of times with the Whiteline kits and its been alright, but anyway, I've moved to a thinner sway bar to resolve some handling problems.

[Luke Accord]

Are all the whiteline swaybars faulty I just installed one on my CD5 accord.

[bennjamin]

Those of you with an EG, who are using the thick Whiteline rear sway bars, do you use these with the heavy duty mounting kit in conjunction with a Tie Bar and still experience tearing?

Frankly, I've tracked a couple of times with the Whiteline kits and its been alright, but anyway, I've moved to a thinner sway bar to resolve some handling problems.


the tiebar doesnt make a difference - From the amount of "subframe tear" ive seen , only 1 had no tiebar and the others had the tiebar.


Guys , the problem with this design is this - a basic description.


http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/data/500/medium/rough.jpg

The same amount of force is applied to the overall RED areas shown above. The difference is , the whiteline has a much more concentrated force applied to those 3 smaller holes while the ASR brace spreads the load upon a greater plane. Hence , it is a better and safer product.

Please , if anyone can add or correct me upon these issues feel free. But this is a basic description and fact :)

[Nodachi]

here is my own account and fair share of whiteline's product and it's quality:

whiteline sway bar + tie bar has been great when i put it on about a year ago after much trouble installing it (you can all ask benjaminn as i need to find stronger bolt then the original supplied 6 hardness bolt from whiteline).. i can' vouch them more, they had greatly improve my handling and i had my share of wakies experience for been the first auto civic to attend on ozhonda time day (not the best result but hey i've a go:D).. however about a week ago, i had suddenly heard alot of noice from the back of my car.. i though it's one of my suspension is in need of exchange but to my surpise here is what i find:
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7434/dsc00208ep7.th.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00208ep7.jpg)

the left brack had basiclly snap off..

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/4533/dsc00209fl6.th.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00209fl6.jpg)

here is a closed up pic of the bracket snap off

lucky that my LCA mount did not break. the bolt however disappeared
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8614/dsc00204vo6.th.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00204vo6.jpg)

another interesting thing is..this little errrrr...where the bolt goes are so poorly point weld that it snap off in this instance:
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7066/dsc00210nt7.th.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00210nt7.jpg)

disappointment... i miss the strong and confidence when i turn corner at high speed but when i thing about what might happen to my car if my mount are snap and....yea you get the picture..
i am not trying to stir anything bad about the whiteline product.. i have numerous occations dealt with them (Wojtek from whiteline - his a nice guy but weird at times) and my front camber kit they provide are exceptional in quality...and exceptional hard to adjust hahaha
but letting you guys know what happen to mine and whether it's good or bad.. it's up to you to decide..

[bennjamin]

Another interesting fact is that this company use(d) lower rated tensile bolts than OEM spec - but is under higher working loads than OEM spec. (thicker swabar than OEM = more load correct?)

[e240]

To be fair

Quote -
"that may have been the case some time ago, so it seems that we are stuck with this legacy. For the record, we now use high quality high tensile bolts, minimum Gr8.8, and up to Gr12.8 for the lower control arm bolts"

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62204&page=5

[e240]

blah blah blah blah

Lets try and keep this thread factual...

[bennjamin]

True that - lets reply with experiences and facts rather than a simple " this is crap or shite" guys.

This thread is about Whiteline , more exactly the quality and design of its mounting kits for aftermarket swaybars.

[Zdster]

the tiebar doesnt make a difference - From the amount of "subframe tear" ive seen , only 1 had no tiebar and the others had the tiebar.


Guys , the problem with this design is this - a basic description.


The same amount of force is applied to the overall RED areas shown above. The difference is , the whiteline has a much more concentrated force applied to those 3 smaller holes while the ASR brace spreads the load upon a greater plane. Hence , it is a better and safer product.

Please , if anyone can add or correct me upon these issues feel free. But this is a basic description and fact :)


Good description Ben. Something else to add is that the reinforcement at the back of the subframe is significantly less on the Whiteline kit than the ASR kit.

I think something very important to note here - in terms of driving feel both the whiteline kit and the ASR kit feel almost identical. For ek1 owners they are a huge upgrade from having no rear sway - as such handling is greatly improved. The Whiteline kit cant be faulted for improving handling. The issue is purely with the construction and design of the kit IMO.

[aaronng]

So the problem with Whiteline here is not the swaybar, but the substandard reinforcement kit, right?

[Zdster]

So the problem with Whiteline here is not the swaybar, but the substandard reinforcement kit, right?

As far as I understand it, yes. I have yet to have seen the bar itself actually break.

[aaronng]

I don't understand why people don't just get the ASR reinforcement kit and use that with the whiteline swaybar.

[BlitZ]

I don't understand why people don't just get the ASR reinforcement kit and use that with the whiteline swaybar.

I got a feeling ti doesnt fit as the whiteline bar mounts further out.. could be wrong.. but someone actually tried it but had to use the whiteline ears, which defeated 0.5 of the ASR purpose...


Else you can do a DIY.. i did... DIY ASR... eheheheh $50:thumbsup:

[BlitZ]

So the problem with Whiteline here is not the swaybar, but the substandard reinforcement kit, right?

well nothing wrong with the bar; just a stick.. its the way its mounted to the car which is the issue

[Zdster]

I don't understand why people don't just get the ASR reinforcement kit and use that with the whiteline swaybar.

Apparently it does fit. The other better/easier option is just to get an oem bar (like an itr/ctr) and use the ASR kit.

[Killa From Manila]

how much do itr sway bars go for these days? without the endlinks

[Limbo]

Yeah the Bar an dthe endlinks are fine. Its the mounting brackets and th bolts supplied that are of very bad quality. One of you brackets snapped only got held together with the bolt which i originally used better bolts instead of the whiteline ones. Lucky i was installing the ASR at the same time to notice the piece. i have discarded the brackets since the ASR has the brackets for it.

[DNYALL]

wel guys i just checked mine then and it has cracked :eek: sooo shit. I had it mounted properly and with the tie bar. Damn, time to call whiteline and give em heaps. :thumbdwn:

Does anyone know somewhere in Victoria that will fix it?

[beeza]

Ouch! Another one...

[Zdster]

wel guys i just checked mine then and it has cracked :eek: sooo shit. I had it mounted properly and with the tie bar. Damn, time to call whiteline and give em heaps. :thumbdwn:

Does anyone know somewhere in Victoria that will fix it?

Sending you a PM Mike.

[ekhybrid]

is it only the 22mm bar that is cracking the subframe?

[bennjamin]

wel guys i just checked mine then and it has cracked :eek: sooo shit. I had it mounted properly and with the tie bar. Damn, time to call whiteline and give em heaps. :thumbdwn:

Does anyone know somewhere in Victoria that will fix it?


WTF are you serious ?

Get all the photos you can of the bar / mounting , and all receipts etc of the kit. Everyone who has had this happen deserves to be compensated in some way or form - it isnt coincidence.



is it only the 22mm bar that is cracking the subframe?

Read this thread , and you will realise its not relevant to the swaybar size. Its the "HEAVY DUTY MOUNTING KITS" that whiteline has for the EK / EG and DC series. They are weak and questionable mounting.

Refer to my post - http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1396938&postcount=50

[Zdster]

WTF are you serious ?

Get all the photos you can of the bar / mounting , and all receipts etc of the kit. Everyone who has had this happen deserves to be compensated in some way or form - it isnt coincidence.

I agree. Whiteline should really be stepping up to the plate and recalling this product/paying for damaged cars.

[DNYALL]

Yeah just got off the phone with the guy at Whiteline, i gotta email in photos of the damage and receits and then they will asses it from there apparently.

[Nodachi]

when you do that.. you can email my picture too..haha

[DNYALL]

sht, can't find my receit...

[ekhybrid]

WTF are you serious ?

Get all the photos you can of the bar / mounting , and all receipts etc of the kit. Everyone who has had this happen deserves to be compensated in some way or form - it isnt coincidence.




Read this thread , and you will realise its not relevant to the swaybar size. Its the "HEAVY DUTY MOUNTING KITS" that whiteline has for the EK / EG and DC series. They are weak and questionable mounting.

Refer to my post - http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1396938&postcount=50

do you know of any civic with an 18mm bar that has cracked the subframe?

[beeza]

sht, can't find my receit...

I would be the same.I try to keep important ones but they always seem to get missplaced :(

[bennjamin]

do you know of any civic with an 18mm bar that has cracked the subframe?

mine. (2nd honda civic)
The 18mm swaybar uses the OEM mounts - this sheared thru the mounts and plucked the hole out of the subframe.

Old news..

[DNYALL]

here are some pics:
The right side is really bad!!

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6238/backright4fl7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9646/backright1cr1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The left is also cracked but no where near as bad:
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8041/backleftsz5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Killa From Manila]

mine. (2nd honda civic)
The 18mm swaybar uses the OEM mounts - this sheared thru the mounts and plucked the hole out of the subframe.

Old news..

was this on an ek1 or ek4? does the ek4 have a stronger sub frame since it has 18mm swaybar stock?

[Zdster]

was this on an ek1 or ek4? does the ek4 have a stronger sub frame since it has 18mm swaybar stock?

Ben's was an eg (if I am not mistaken).

[bennjamin]

was this on an ek1 or ek4? does the ek4 have a stronger sub frame since it has 18mm swaybar stock?

correct as above - i had a EG hatch.

FYI the whiteline kit seems to tear out the same EK4 AND EK1's.

This issue is the heavy duty mounting.

[Zdster]

correct as above - i had a EG hatch.

FYI the whiteline kit seems to tear out the same EK4 AND EK1's.

This issue is the heavy duty mounting.

EM's as well (although I have yet to see/hear about an EJ?).

[newbie]

i will check mine out tomorow closer. but ive had my for about 2 yrs now. with no issues.. full mounting kit with tie and 22 sway. plus also had the front one done too.

anyone had issues with the front sway setups?

[DNYALL]

dude check it straight away, i have had mine for about the same amount of time and i thought i had no issues...now i have major issues... :(

[philBo]

has it been proven though that with the subframe reinforcement kits like the ASR, that the subframe tearouts are less likely to occur? as in, has anyone still heard of, or experienced damage even with the reinforcement?

[WPN.22R]

All the Prelude owners know that putting on one of these bars requires further reo to the sub frame, we get thick plating welded on to strengthen the area.

I thought it might be a common thing to know before you buy?

[Zdster]

has it been proven though that with the subframe reinforcement kits like the ASR, that the subframe tearouts are less likely to occur? as in, has anyone still heard of, or experienced damage even with the reinforcement?

I havent read anywhere of subframe tearouts with the ASR kits. The beaks kit still does on the ek, but havent heard of the comptech or the ASR causing ripping on the ek platform.

[krogoth]

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[BlitZ]

if only you guys read my review

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38433

[BlitZ]

symptoms of broken subframe : - Creaking when going on angels!

[bennjamin]

if only you guys read my review

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38433


good post - which not many people took notice of lol.

I brought up the issue of these swaybar mounting kits AND the "lower tensile bolts used" with a lead engineer at whiteline a good 3-4 years ago as he was installing something on my car , and i got a earfull of promise that both teh weaker bolts were fine as to is the mounting kits.
What would i know i was just a dumb kid without a engineering degree :p

[krogoth]

good post - which not many people took notice of lol.

I brought up the issue of these swaybar mounting kits AND the "lower tensile bolts used" with a lead engineer at whiteline a good 3-4 years ago as he was installing something on my car , and i got a earfull of promise that both teh weaker bolts were fine as to is the mounting kits.
What would i know i was just a dumb kid without a engineering degree :p

lol, well believe it or not there are alot of SILLY engineers out ther




*bennjamin edit be nice

[0098]

IF YOU HAVE A WHITELINE SWAYBAR WITHOUT AN ASR REINFORCEMENT KIT OR SIMILAR
TAKE IT OFF ASAP.
Its that simple, everyone who is saying 'ive had mine on for a few years and i have no problems', we all have, but you will have problems eventually, its just a matter of time. Just refer to all the people on this forum who ran them fine for years and now have cracked/torn subframes. Just some advice, it will be cheaper to throw away your bar or buy a reinforcement kit than fixing your subframe.

[Nodachi]

i guess i am consider lucky as my subframe is still intact..ouch to those who does..:(

[krogoth]

lol, well believe it or not there are alot of SILLY engineers out ther




*bennjamin edit be nice

lol, soz ben

so this is an EK only thing?

how come EK only?

[bennjamin]

not a EK only thing.

IT affects all EG / DC and EK 's - with the "heavy duty mounting kit".

EK's are more common for problems due to the extra force put onto the subframe , but this still has been a problem for everyone.

[0098]

All the Prelude owners know that putting on one of these bars requires further reo to the sub frame, we get thick plating welded on to strengthen the area.

I thought it might be a common thing to know before you buy?

Its obviously not sold/marketed that way , if it was no one would have problems, if whiteline had a disclamier saying for use with extra plating or reinforcement kits then that would be a different story, but they dont as far as i know..

[aaronng]

i guess i am consider lucky as my subframe is still intact..ouch to those who does..:(

Go get an ASR reinforcement kit if you plan to keep your car for a long time.

[krogoth]

^lol

woodnt it be unethical to sell a car without fixing such a problem?

[aaronng]

Stock, his car is not meant to have a rear sway bar, I think.

[bennjamin]

no its not supposed to have one.

But regardless , with or without a rear swaybar doesnt change the fact that this whiteline kit , has caused a subframe tear.

[Killa From Manila]

correct as above - i had a EG hatch.

FYI the whiteline kit seems to tear out the same EK4 AND EK1's.

This issue is the heavy duty mounting.

do u think there wud be any problems with using 18mm swaybar from an EK4 and putting it on an EK1 using oem ek4 mounting brackets n bolts etc. curious coz i want a rear sway bar while im waiting for itr rsb and asr brace.

[BlitZ]

do u think there wud be any problems with using 18mm swaybar from an EK4 and putting it on an EK1 using oem ek4 mounting brackets n bolts etc. curious coz i want a rear sway bar while im waiting for itr rsb and asr brace.

did u actually measure the stock one?? i dont think its 18..

[BlitZ]

All the Prelude owners know that putting on one of these bars requires further reo to the sub frame, we get thick plating welded on to strengthen the area.

I thought it might be a common thing to know before you buy?


not really for EK or EG... I have yet to know of anyone who has done that..

Actually never heard of it at all.. Ive heard people reenforcing it or upgrading to CTR after its broken though

[Killa From Manila]

did u actually measure the stock one?? i dont think its 18..

nope didnt measure it. just word goin around says it is

[ekhybrid]

its 14mm man
for ek4 and em1

[bennjamin]

its 14mm man
for ek4 and em1

And also EG si and vti , also DC2 vtir AND DC4 gsi.

I cant say if using these swaybars on a lesser model will wear out the subframe. It would last a lot longer than these whiteline kits tho.
Mind you , the difference isnt too much so id jsut wait out for a ASR kit etc.

[ginganggooly]

not a EK only thing.

IT affects all EG / DC and EK 's - with the "heavy duty mounting kit".

EK's are more common for problems due to the extra force put onto the subframe , but this still has been a problem for everyone.

Did your car tear out, or did it actually fracture the pickup points as per the pictures of the ek/em's?

I know i had the first reported whiteline case of subframe tearout. In my case (dc2), the nuts were pulled straight through the subframe. Whiteline paid to repair the whole thing, and then installed a new tie-bar and brackets free of charge. I was actually really happy with how i was looked after.

I drove the car around with a 22mm RSB and upgraded mounting kit for about 150k km and never had a problem, that includes numerous track days, midnight national park runs and the usual shennanigans.

[Zdster]

Did your car tear out, or did it actually fracture the pickup points as per the pictures of the ek/em's?

I know i had the first reported whiteline case of subframe tearout. In my case (dc2), the nuts were pulled straight through the subframe. Whiteline paid to repair the whole thing, and then installed a new tie-bar and brackets free of charge. I was actually really happy with how i was looked after.

I drove the car around with a 22mm RSB and upgraded mounting kit for about 150k km and never had a problem, that includes numerous track days, midnight national park runs and the usual shennanigans.

When they repaired it did they use a new OEM subframe from a dc2?

[BlitZ]

Did your car tear out, or did it actually fracture the pickup points as per the pictures of the ek/em's?

I know i had the first reported whiteline case of subframe tearout. In my case (dc2), the nuts were pulled straight through the subframe. Whiteline paid to repair the whole thing, and then installed a new tie-bar and brackets free of charge. I was actually really happy with how i was looked after.

I drove the car around with a 22mm RSB and upgraded mounting kit for about 150k km and never had a problem, that includes numerous track days, midnight national park runs and the usual shennanigans.

eheheheheh thanks slim... they fixed your plucking problem so i thought the reenforcements were also good for the EK..

hahaah I was then the first reported case to whiteline with a subframe ripped out ahahaha...


Guys - Please note... EK and EG have different flaws... EG mounts bar close then control arm bolt whereas EK on the outter:thumbsup:


nothing beats my homemade ASR kit

[beeza]

nothing beats my homemade ASR kit

I and I'm sure other's would love a DIY on this :)
Since the ASR kits a ridiculously overpriced.

[Zdster]

I and I'm sure other's would love a DIY on this :)
Since the ASR kits a ridiculously overpriced.

Considering the weight, design, R&D and the fact that your subframe isnt destroyed, I dont think the ASR kit is overpriced at all.

[beeza]

Yeah,True.I'm just finding it hard to pay the $325 for a piece of metal even though it is a good investment.Know what I mean?
I think picking one up second hand will be difficult though.
I will just have to shell out the shillings.

[Zdster]

Yeah,True.I'm just finding it hard to pay the $325 for a piece of metal even though it is a good investment.Know what I mean?
I think picking one up second hand will be difficult though.
I will just have to shell out the shillings.

Why not run a smaller sway bar if money is an issue?

[JasonGilholme]

Why not do a DIY??

[aaronng]

Yeah,True.I'm just finding it hard to pay the $325 for a piece of metal even though it is a good investment.Know what I mean?
I think picking one up second hand will be difficult though.
I will just have to shell out the shillings.
You know that when you spend that $325 on the ASR kit, you KNOW you are getting the best that works. Not some half-assed attempt at reinforcement. :)

[0098]

$325 for a piece of metal cant really be justified, they are taking advantage of our fear!

oh well lol

[BlitZ]

homemade and has held up longer than my whiteline bar..

still scares me though
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/civic168/DSCF1533.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/civic168/DSCF1591.jpg

[bennjamin]

$325 for a piece of metal cant really be justified, they are taking advantage of our fear!

oh well lol

its a modification , that wont lose its value unlike EBAY CAIs or copy-rims.

You can buy a ASR for "$325" and sell it for a similar price when you have used it

[aaronng]

$325 for a piece of metal cant really be justified, they are taking advantage of our fear!

oh well lol

You guys should get the concept of "labour" into your mind. It's not only materials costs. There are research costs, import duties, goverment taxes, marketing costs and the cut that the local distributor makes.

[thebob]

Just pay for it and get on with life.

[beeza]

Just pay for it and get on with life.

Haha,Yeah :p

[man.exe]

Oh great...
Is anyone here with a DC2or DC4 had any problems? (other than ginganggooly)

I'm getting some creaking sounds from the back, and I'm getting real suspicious.

[aaronng]

Crawl underneath and check.

[bennjamin]

the swaybar makes creaking noises more often than not , because of lack of lubricant on the bushes. You can relube them and the noise generally SHOULD go away.

[BlitZ]

Oh great...
Is anyone here with a DC2or DC4 had any problems? (other than ginganggooly)

I'm getting some creaking sounds from the back, and I'm getting real suspicious.


if u research, subframe tearing out is not very common on EG/DC.. they only pick bolt holes. This can be resolved using whiteline's reenforcement plates.

[bennjamin]

yup the "heavy duty mounts" on the EG and DC are less likely to have this problem - still not a good design. My last kit had worked itself loose when i pulled it off.

what reinforcement plates do you refer to blitz ?

[man.exe]

Mine makes a firm noise (like a bolt slip) everytime I turn.


yup the "heavy duty mounts" on the EG and DC are less likely to have this problem - still not a good design. My last kit had worked itself loose when i pulled it off.


I checked mine under the car but the reinforcing plate covers the joint, so it's still a mystery until I totally remove the bar and reinforcing plate. I havn't retightened the joints in a long time either.

[bennjamin]

please get your car checked out either at a mates or a mech and see if your kit has a problem
IMO take the kit off and ask whiteline for a refund as the risk is too great....

[ginganggooly]

When they repaired it did they use a new OEM subframe from a dc2?

Yes...

[blk_shadow]

So, Which Swaybar Is Good For An Ek Now?

[beeza]

either a DC2R or EK9 rear swaybar
EK4 OR ek9 swaybar endlinks.
+ ASR Brace

[civic_mods]

IMHO opinion, sway bars r the same, just m ake sure u get the correct reinforcement which atm is ASR brace

[DNYALL]

Hey just lettin everyone know that i contacted whiteline about the damage that was caused on my car, and after a few emails and phone calls they agreed to pay half my repair cost and supply me with their newly designed swaybar reinforcement kit for free.

The repair money arrived in a few days and the reinforcement kit came a week later.

I have had my sub frame re-welded and reinforced with some steel plates and just fitted the new reinforcement kit two days ago. so far so good.

The new kit came with all the nuts and bolts and new endlinks, looks good and seems to be of a good design, (much better than their old) also shouldn't have any more problems seeing as though my frame is now reinforced anyway.

So wanna say thanks to Whiteline for helping me out :thumbsup:

Will post up some pics in the next few days.

[e240]

Great Stuff - From most of the feedback here, it looks like Whiteline is pretty on about their after sales support.

[BlitZ]

Hey just lettin everyone know that i contacted whiteline about the damage that was caused on my car, and after a few emails and phone calls they agreed to pay half my repair cost and supply me with their newly designed swaybar reinforcement kit for free.

The repair money arrived in a few days and the reinforcement kit came a week later.

I have had my sub frame re-welded and reinforced with some steel plates and just fitted the new reinforcement kit two days ago. so far so good.

The new kit came with all the nuts and bolts and new endlinks, looks good and seems to be of a good design, (much better than their old) also shouldn't have any more problems seeing as though my frame is now reinforced anyway.

So wanna say thanks to Whiteline for helping me out :thumbsup:

Will post up some pics in the next few days.

any pics of how you reenforced it?

[DNYALL]

Here is the new set up. it is hard to tell how they actually re-inforced it because it has all been painted so can't really see.

Also he took photos of how bad the damage was, he said that once the kit was off, he could have just the lower part of the sub frame off with his hand it was that bad. also the back side of where the lca bolt went through was completely broken out and there was about half an inch of movent, this caused the tie bar to bend as well. He didn't know how the LCA bolt didn't just fall out while i was driving

But it all feels as solid as a rock now so all is good.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9983/pc040051aw7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8788/pc040056my4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[beeza]

Awesome! Looking real good and real low too,Noooice.I Love your car :)

[Limbo]

looks exactly the same as my setup

[Jackman]

i know this is abit old but the reinforce plate is it both side or just one side if it makes sense

[Limbo]

only one side. You couldn't put anything on the otherside i looked into it

[bennjamin]

only one side. You couldn't put anything on the otherside i looked into it

Hmm.....this is the main flaw of the old and new whiteline "heavy duty mounts".
The ASR kit and BEAKS kit both use a small rear piece on both sides of the subframe to further spread the extra load and reinforce the subframe.

[Jackman]

im goin to buy dc2r front and rear swaybar for my eg
do you fink it will hold for track use or i definitely need a reinforce plate like asr or beaks kits

[Sir_vtec]

u def will need a kit for ur itr rear swaybar

[Jackman]

i thought itr and eg have similar chassi. if itr does not need a kit why does the eg?

[e240]

You might not need a kit, but if you're running thicker sway bars, its always better to reinforce using a tie bar or something.

[Jackman]

lol quick question its not too hard to make your owe reinforce plate yea?

[e240]

just time and effort.

[bennjamin]

i thought itr and eg have similar chassi. if itr does not need a kit why does the eg?

ITR and EG are not the same. Different placement of teh swaybar mounts and the ITR subframe comes with a tiebar installed too

[beeza]

im goin to buy dc2r front and rear swaybar for my eg
do you fink it will hold for track use or i definitely need a reinforce plate like asr or beaks kits

ASR ftw! :thumbsup:

[Jackman]

how much is the whiteline rear sway bar kit for a eg?
does the eg now come with the new improve reinforce plate?

[BlitZ]

i thought itr and eg have similar chassi. if itr does not need a kit why does the eg?

similiar chasis.. not the same.. different subframe and no seam welds on an EG