how low do i need to go to get ~2.5deg camber?

[BlitZ]

Can I lower my car enough to get 2.5degrees of camber (front).. or must i get a camber kit?

[m0nty ITR]

My car had -0.3 degrees front when stock. I dropped coilovers in and lowered height from standard by 3.5". I then had to have camber dialed up further and I run -1.5 on the street at the front. I guess it's vehicle dependant because the DC5 doesn't have camber adjustment from factory and thanks to the IRS it runs -2.5 in the rear. A camber kit is on order.

This is of course just a guide as I'm sure your results would be different. I think a camber kit would be better in the end anyway. Inducing camber via lowering can be a bit "'haow ya goin?". Lowering your car would also induce rear camber substantially.

[|N|]

dan wat r u trying to do again this time?
just get a camber kit la dolma

[BlitZ]

My car had -0.3 degrees front when stock. I dropped coilovers in and lowered height from standard by 3.5". I then had to have camber dialed up further and I run -1.5 on the street at the front. I guess it's vehicle dependant because the DC5 doesn't have camber adjustment from factory and thanks to the IRS it runs -2.5 in the rear. A camber kit is on order.

This is of course just a guide as I'm sure your results would be different. I think a camber kit would be better in the end anyway. Inducing camber via lowering can be a bit "'haow ya goin?". Lowering your car would also induce rear camber substantially.

did u get camber kit to induce or reduce camber?

I wont have an issue with the rear.. u can diy adjust.. all i need is the front

[m0nty ITR]

Tein Flex have camber adjustment built in. Installed with setting on zero. Once I lowered the strut length 1.25" I had just -0.2. That means as a blanket generalization you'd need to lower your car 12" to get close to the mark without a camber kit. Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiick!

Rear induced camber alot easier. Maybe due to higher sussy arms???

[BlitZ]

dan wat r u trying to do again this time?
just get a camber kit la dolma

jsut read the camber kit.. they seem unreliable..

I like OEM feel.. unbreakable

[BlitZ]

Tein Flex have camber adjustment built in. Installed with setting on zero. Once I lowered the strut length 1.25" I had just -0.2. That means as a blanket generalization you'd need to lower your car 12" to get close to the mark without a camber kit. Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiick!

Rear induced camber alot easier. Maybe due to higher sussy arms???

Im double wishboned... dont have mcpherson stuts and the kits for camber are really hard to adjust and get accurate

[m0nty ITR]

What suspension are you using anyway? Most good coilovers have camber adjustment on the front. They're far from destructable if you choose a reputable brand.

[m0nty ITR]

Im double wishboned... dont have mcpherson stuts and the kits for camber are really hard to adjust and get accurate

I take my car to Jax Tyres at Liverpool. Glen and the guys get it spot on before taking the car to the track. Do you DIY camber settings? That's never been accurate enough for my liking.

[BlitZ]

What suspension are you using anyway? Most good coilovers have camber adjustment on the front. They're far from destructable if you choose a reputable brand.

Im double wishbone.... you mcpherson stut setup..

double wishbone (EK) vs mcpherson stuts..(DC5)

Im running koni adjustable

[aaronng]

"Usually", the front camber doesn't change much with lowering, only the rear. Even on full double wishbone suspension Hondas.

[fatboyz39]

You can make DIY front camber also. Just need to be creative...LOL

[bennjamin]

I dont have mcpherson stuts

Are you sure ? lol.

[BlitZ]

Are you sure ? lol.


I dont think so.. but could be wrong hahahaha.

[bennjamin]

just teasing ya man. FYI you have machpherson struts (shock and coil in one combo) AND double wishbones front n rear lol.

Anyway why u want such negative camber @ front ? purely for handling around wakie ?

[BlitZ]

just teasing ya man. FYI you have machpherson struts (shock and coil in one combo) AND double wishbones front n rear lol.

Anyway why u want such negative camber @ front ? purely for handling around wakie ?


Im not sure if you are right about that one man.

shocks inside coil is called a strut.

DC5 have a macpherson setup and EK,dc,eg have a double wish bone setup..

can someone confirm..


And yes;) i want more camber for faster turn in... heheeheheh

I want to do supersprint next year.. eheheh

[Benson]

OMg get yourself a camber kit already...

Wakefield is not friendly for lowered cars if you go off track unless your not a pro driver and stay on the track :p

[BlitZ]

OMg get yourself a camber kit already...

Wakefield is not friendly for lowered cars if you go off track unless your not a pro driver and stay on the track :p

im waiting on delivery cost from egay... ignalls ball type..

:thumbsup:

[Chr1s]

Im not sure if you are right about that one man.

shocks inside coil is called a strut.

DC5 have a macpherson setup and EK,dc,eg have a double wish bone setup..

can someone confirm..


And yes;) i want more camber for faster turn in... heheeheheh

I want to do supersprint next year.. eheheh

lol......yes you said it yourself, shock inside a coil, you have that, so you have a macpherson strut which is attached on either end of a wishbone making it a double wishbone setup dampered by a macpherson strut setup.

Buy adjustable camber pillowmounts and if you go too low you're going to exceed the roll centre of the car completely stuffing your handling.

[BlitZ]

lol......yes you said it yourself, shock inside a coil, you have that, so you have a macpherson strut which is attached on either end of a wishbone making it a double wishbone setup dampered by a macpherson strut setup.
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Im very much still in doubt....
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=155675



Please refer :
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From article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_wishbone

A single wishbones or A-arms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-arm) are used in various other suspension types, such as MacPherson strut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacPherson_strut) and Chapman strut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapman_strut).

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From article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacPherson_strut

It is not generally considered to give as good handling as double wishbone suspensions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_wishbone_suspension), because it allows the engineers less freedom to choose camber change and roll center.

[bennjamin]

Ok Blitz lol.


The term "machperson strut " directly refers to a "all in one" shock/spring combo. (IE any eg or ek shock).
The DC5 is still a machpershon strut , just single wishbone on the front and the steering arm connects directly to the shock.






Anyway , perhaps get a frontal castor kit if you want to increase turn in and response.

[aaronng]

http://www.autozine.org/technical_school/suspension/tech_suspension2.htm

[e240]

A Shock/Spring combo is called a coilover system which is found in various suspension designs - Macpherson or double wishbone.

The Eg Civic doesn't have a Macpherson on the rear simply because the coilover does not control the position/angle of the wheel.

[BlitZ]

Ok Blitz lol.


The term "machperson strut " directly refers to a "all in one" shock/spring combo. (IE any eg or ek shock).
The DC5 is still a machpershon strut , just single wishbone on the front and the steering arm connects directly to the shock.


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read aarons article man...


mcpherson strut setup is a setup which utilises the strut as a mount point for the hub...
mcpherson strut is a single wishbone setup.


Double wishbone setup uses and extended the hub carrier outwards from the chasis... EG. double A arms


I think what you were referring to is : -
coil over strut setup.. nothing to do with macpherson strut

[krogoth]

subsribed

[bennjamin]

so have you decided how to get -2.5 camber (or the turn in required) ?


frontal castor kit - or simply swap your front upper control arms will give you a few extra degrees of castor and turn in :)

[BlitZ]

so have you decided how to get -2.5 camber (or the turn in required) ?


frontal castor kit - or simply swap your front upper control arms will give you a few extra degrees of castor and turn in :)

Still pending deliveyr cost of us egay...

I am not sure if the front caster trick will work for EK... It seems like a DC/EG thing..

[bennjamin]

same frontal design as the EG/DC so i dont see why not - the upper control arm joins the side instead of top but apart from that its the same.
Id try it as its a 30 min job to find out ( plus a trip to the alignment shop)

[Muzz]

DC5 have a macpherson setup and EK,dc,eg have a double wish bone setup..

can someone confirm..


Correct

The eg/ek dont use a macpherson strut, the dc5 do, eks/egs are double wishbone. They cant be both.

A macpherson strut suspension system isnt to do with the shock/spring unit, its the type of suspension system where there is a lower a arm, and the strut top acts as the top pivot point of the steering knuckle, allowing you to adjust the camber from the top of the struts.

[iced]

thats correct

eg/ek/dc2 are double wishbone or double A arms.
skyline are wishbone as well.
generally have to get adjustable camber arms to adjust camber.

dc5/fd2/ep3... are mcpherson. wrx, lancers, silvias, my mirage are mcpherson too.
basically where the strut top directly connects to the hub knuckle assy by only the spring and shock unit (aka strut assy).
for these car you would just get pillowball camber tops for the front.

[BlitZ]

Correct

The eg/ek dont use a macpherson strut, the dc5 do, eks/egs are double wishbone. They cant be both.

A macpherson strut suspension system isnt to do with the shock/spring unit, its the type of suspension system where there is a lower a arm, and the strut top acts as the top pivot point of the steering knuckle, allowing you to adjust the camber from the top of the struts.

haahah thank god i got some backers...

[fatboyz39]

I tried swapping the arms over....When its on the jack stands looks like i get less castor :S...so i just changed it back...


Have you seen the whiteline castor kits?? Only a few washers and bolt/nut...

As for camber...just it on its ass....but this prevents you to change camber settings. One side might have more/less camber.

[bennjamin]

I tried swapping the arms over....When its on the jack stands looks like i get less castor :S...so i just changed it back...


Have you seen the whiteline castor kits?? Only a few washers and bolt/nut...

As for camber...just it on its ass....but this prevents you to change camber settings. One side might have more/less camber.

when you swap the arms over - it should change your dynamic castor. The more you turn the more effect it has.

The whiteline castor kit for most EK's is a offset bush for the rear of the front lower control arms.
For the EG/DC with 2 piece control arms there is the kit with a longer bolt and a few washers...works well but i again question the reliability.

[BlitZ]

I tried swapping the arms over....When its on the jack stands looks like i get less castor :S...so i just changed it back...


Have you seen the whiteline castor kits?? Only a few washers and bolt/nut...

As for camber...just it on its ass....but this prevents you to change camber settings. One side might have more/less camber.


hahahaha Ive seen one of the whiteline caster bolts bent when tracked and driven hard.. ahahahah slim's car aahah

[bennjamin]

uh oh lol. Same story again.


*quotes whiteline engineer*


the bolts we use are perfectly safe

[iced]

when you swap the arms over - it should change your dynamic castor. The more you turn the more effect it has.

The whiteline castor kit for most EK's is a offset bush for the rear of the front lower control arms.
For the EG/DC with 2 piece control arms there is the kit with a longer bolt and a few washers...works well but i again question the reliability.

do you mean dynamic castor or dynamic camber?
afarik castor is fixed.
increased positive castor increases dyanmic camber.
more you turn the more negative camber is generated.