what is with the lack of 7th gen's [Archive]

yesiamaturk

22-10-2007, 02:15 AM

hey i have been on these forums for a while now dont get me wrong but what is with the lack of 7th gen civic's i own one a gli sedan its manual its silver its got the oem body kit and yes, its a nugget, lol

ive been going through alot of american forums and other over seas forums and there are alot of tough 7th gens out there but its as if australia hates them.

i want my 7th gen to be one of those tough ones but i was looking into the crap d17 we get here and saw people get good power out of them by turboing them. I was thinking about turbo'ing mine but was thinking can a d16 dohc head be put on them or better yet a b16a one and somehow keep the vtec if i was wanting to keep it na, im pretty much after any information about doing this engine up na, i already have heard quite alot about the turbo ones

another thing that i was looking at was an engine conversion but the prices of the k series are still high and was thinking about the h22 but after looking on hasport site only saw that they only made mounts for the k series and im pretty sure its legal for me to put a h22 in because my cars build date was 2000 and i think they made them until then so please any advice would help alot.

oh and sorry for the long post.

NightKids

22-10-2007, 02:38 AM

i think the reason for lack of 7th gen's in Australia is because quite frankly they aren't very good looking cars... and america just has to be different from everyone else

CTR Coupe

22-10-2007, 08:48 AM

1. H22a is a 2.2L so you will need an engineer to certify it as you are going more than 200cc over the current motor of 1.7L which means expensive and you will need to upgrade other items like brakes to pass inspection.

2. no different heads are going to fit on your block for a performance upgrade especially the b16a head.

3. turbo is your only real option and even then i wouldn't advise it.

My advice is either sell it and get something better/faster which ever you prefer.

If thats not an option then just put some nice wheels on it. lower it a bit and forget about going fast.

Spicey

22-10-2007, 08:49 AM

I bought a 7th gen (2005 GLi) brand new and like the fact you dont see many about! We have the factory kit, tein's, 17" wheels and stuff and it really stands out! People still ask about it!

As far as engines go, why cant you do a b18c swap or something? The engine/gearbox are in the right place (not like the K20) and they were made till 02 weren't they???

Riced_Civic

22-10-2007, 09:14 AM

with the 7th gen cars u can only do a K-swap at the moment cos they already have the proper engine mounts for sale on the market, with the others like the H-series they dont have any aftermarket mounts and other gear like that that are able to fit into the the 7th gen yet.
if you have the $$$ then u might be able to do it, as for the B-series its illegal to but into the 7th gen anyeays cos of the engine yr and the chassis year.

i have a 7th gen and ready to install my turbo parts when i turn 21,
easy power for a 7th gen.

if you look hard enough you can find anything for the 7th gen in Aus, ive even found out that sum Subaru parts fit on the 7th gen, all u need is the time to search for what ur looking for.

if u need anymore help to find stuff for ur 7th gen PM me

xtercii

22-10-2007, 10:14 AM

For the simple reason, the 7th gen civic is the most boring and unenthusiastic looking civic ever came outta Honda. Even the type R version, just look at it, it's boxy, it's bulky, it's unsexy, and it's unsporty. If something is unattractive, it will never draw the crowd.

UNLS1

22-10-2007, 12:27 PM

yeah i agree with all of the above, we sold heaps to old people lol
it was the most boring car to sell, drive, and look at!

z3lda

22-10-2007, 12:37 PM

only engine you can install is a post 05 k-series engine

pre 2005 engines are ilegal to install into your car

TECBOY

22-10-2007, 12:53 PM

man u shuld drop a turbo h22a in ur civic
go for speed not looks

z3lda

22-10-2007, 01:01 PM

man u shuld drop a turbo h22a in ur civic
go for speed not looks

you can't,

its illegal

xtercii

22-10-2007, 01:04 PM

speed is illegal anyways haha...

Riced_Civic

22-10-2007, 01:11 PM

of corse it wouldnt sell alot when it came out its a family car not a little sports car. thats y it was so cheap so old ppl could afford it.

DreadAngel

22-10-2007, 01:45 PM

The EM/ES/EP/EU Civics were a disaster for Honda Australia I think (Panda, Shrek, Pazzman or someone working at a dealership confirm this) but look at it this way, EG/EH => EK/EJ => EU/ES, the difference between these three gens is pretty scary, EG and EK agruably things of beauty with engines to match and god knows how much parts available for them. Come to the EU/ES, the looks are disappointing (The ES was the main one on the ads, which to me dampened the appeal simply cause the ES isn't nice looking generally) and the engine was a 1.7L across the board? rated at 88kW wasn't powerful enough. Look at the local competition and that was game over for Honda.

Its a mix of several things that contributed to the 7th Gens lacking performance in Australia (Even if they had the EP/EM here, I doubt much would change)

7th Gen

22-10-2007, 07:15 PM

ah so much 7th gen hate!!!
proud to be a 7th gen owner :D

DreadAngel

22-10-2007, 07:25 PM

Not hate man, its more why 7th Gen went flop

Riced_Civic

22-10-2007, 07:25 PM

i wouldnt say there that slow i kept up with an Audi A4T at winton and it was only 1 second faster

markCivicVti

22-10-2007, 07:30 PM

I'd rather have the 7th gen than any older civic.

Newer economy cars > older economy cars

Let's face it the civic is a cheap small car.

Of course 8th gen > 7th gen :P

clayton4115

22-10-2007, 07:49 PM

im a 7th Gen 2005 owner and i love her!!

no mods nothing just standard GLi sedan stuff !!

:wave:

7th Gen

22-10-2007, 08:55 PM

I'd rather have the 7th gen than any older civic.

Newer economy cars > older economy cars

Let's face it the civic is a cheap small car.

Of course 8th gen > 7th gen :P

i get to drive both a 7th and 8th gen (my dads)
i like my 7th gen cause its 'run in', modded to how i like, easy to see over the bonnet, easy to park etc
the 8th gen is a stocker but styling and tech is much better than the 7th gen

best of both worlds really :D

clem

22-10-2007, 11:12 PM

Hmm well each to their own guys.. what's with all the 7th gen bashing?

I drove a Civic EK CXi when i learnt felt like a bloody snail.. no tacho.. cheap as shit interior..

When i got my Vi it was like a luxury car compared to the 6th gen's in terms of interior.. exterior was improved cuz mine was 05 spec came with body kit and skirts so it made it hell of a lot better than prev model. Engine is sohc vtec had 96kw not bad.. I love my car cuz its awesome economy (i average 6.8L/100 city/highway) and comfy drive.. Bear in mind Civics arent designed for 'racing' so all you guys are so delusional when it comes to criticizing the 7th gen when u bag em about performance (Unless you compare a VTiR/Type R which have race bred engines)

IAMVTEC

22-10-2007, 11:51 PM

7th gen is an OK car it just looked too dull. Doesnt look bad or anything just so dull.

The sedan was more generic looking than a Corolla and the hatch looked like a van.

I think if people really tried the sedan had the potential to look decent due to the OK body shape. A bodykit + new grille + bonnet scoop can make it look WRX like.

denot

23-10-2007, 01:26 PM

7th gen was my first eva car!!! and I'm loving it!!! to tell u the truth, I bought it as a "project" car becoz you cant see any of this type around moded n stuff... but then I realise, that becoz we lack of parts here in Oz... so I decide to move on to 8th Gen now... but love them both though!!!! :thumbsup:

7th Gen

23-10-2007, 07:21 PM

krogoth

23-10-2007, 08:23 PM

so many 7th gen haters....ppl got the nerve to bag the 7th gens looks?????

ill talk about the sedan, look no offence, i dont usually talk like this because i respect other cars

but the 7th gen is the only civic sedan that looks good.

the eg sedan isnt good, neither is the ek, both look horid

the fd isnt that flash either, and ive driven them plenty so im not just talkin crap

some of u are saying its not sports orientated???? wat civic is??

most civics from the factory are just as far from a sports car than the 7th gen is, so i dont know y any1 would whing about the 7th gen not being sporty enough

the only sporty older model civcs are the vtir and type R, nothing else

the 7th gen did come with a few DOHC engines overseas, just not here

the series 1 7th gen was nice, but the series 2 7th gen was a whole lot better, thats y ive got one, coz the other civic sedans at the time looked crap in comparison

xtercii

23-10-2007, 08:40 PM

Being subjective about the looks of a car does not make it look better in the eyes of the general public.

krogoth

23-10-2007, 08:42 PM

thats exactly my point

yet ther are heaps of ppl spilling generalised comments about how evry1 thinks the 7th gen looks bland

markCivicVti

23-10-2007, 08:55 PM

FD > 7th gen IMO.

krogoth

23-10-2007, 08:57 PM

its not a very ergonomic car

-bad view
-weird clutch
-engine is too quiet
-hood is too long
-difficult to park

otherwise its a great car, i like it, but if i got 1, the first thing id do is a fat cat back exhaust, esp in manual, too friggin quiet

markCivicVti

23-10-2007, 09:04 PM

Check out TOV articles on R18a.. they compare it to the 7th gen engines. They show various improvements including the increase of the intake/induction sounds as rpm go higher.. they specifically did this as 7th gen critics complained about this sound (lack thereof) in the 7th gens.

I've been driving for enough years to be able to park a car. I can park a festieva, landcruiser and ss commie. And i've driven all three heaps. the civic wont be a prob.

I respect your pro 7th gen views. It's a good car.

Hood too long? I'm surprised to hear that but ok.

EDIT: not that induction sounds are the all important factor.. as yes even I realise the fd's are economy cars... yay... 6.5 ltr/100kms

krogoth

23-10-2007, 09:16 PM

my cars the only non oz/american car in the house..and i dont have trouble parking/driving them

my point was that compared to the 7th gen, the 8th gen is slightly harder to park

and wen i say long hood, i dont mean literally. because of the shape of the dash, and the angle of the windscreen, i feel im sitting alot further from the front in the fd than the es

UNLS1

24-10-2007, 10:28 AM

yeah as i said, the sedan was a grandparents special

but the Vi hatch was great, vtec, more power, but a lil expensive hence why they droped it.

IAMVTEC

24-10-2007, 10:39 AM

Image wise 7th gen was a disaster, its the reason theres so many lancers running around.

clayton4115

24-10-2007, 01:18 PM

doesnt look that bad !!

markCivicVti

24-10-2007, 01:58 PM

Doesn't look any more exciting than last gen corolla. And with a weaker engine than last gen corolla... I can see why it didn't do so well.

yesiamaturk

25-10-2007, 01:06 AM

markCivicVti

25-10-2007, 05:08 AM

lol, this turned into a 7th gen hate thread pretty quick thanks to the few people that tried to help me at least but i still dont understand why its illegal for a h22 to go in the car when my cars build date was dec 00 so that would make it a my01 and h22 were still released in 01, and to those that think thyre ugly cars i think they are nice cars i got a seires one thats lowered ona seat of 17s and the interior is half done i actually really like the cars because they are different

Two issues:

- yes you have to make sure the engine build date is after the car build date.
- When increasing the engine displacement above 200cc there are bigger legal issues to face. 1.7 ltr => 2.2 (i assume thats wha tthe H22 is) is 500 cc.

I know if you did get the H22 you'd have to atleast upgrade your braking system and more than likely get it engineered.

Setanta

25-10-2007, 04:35 PM

Ugly car that got beaten with the even uglier stick.

'nuff said

steve88

25-10-2007, 04:51 PM

doesnt look that bad !!

KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!!!!!!!

Nepolian

25-10-2007, 04:57 PM

Two issues:

- yes you have to make sure the engine build date is after the car build date.
- When increasing the engine displacement above 200cc there are bigger legal issues to face. 1.7 ltr => 2.2 (i assume thats wha tthe H22 is) is 500 cc.

I know if you did get the H22 you'd have to at least upgrade your braking system and more than likely get it engineered.

Find an engineer and put to him you plans for the conversion. He will tell you what you need to do in regards to brake upgrade etc.......

But honest, I would not go spending money on a conversion on an 7th gen unless you really want a 4 door hatch.

Just go and buy an EP3R, it'll save you money.

P.S. I think there is a lack of 7th gen due to,

1) The popularity of cars such as the Corollas, Lancer and all the cheap imports (more competition). Comon guys, they (Civics) cost about 5k more new. Not everyone wanted to spend the extra to get a honda.

2) People needed time to get over the EK.

Alpine

25-10-2007, 10:03 PM

Nothing wrong with the 7th gen. Heaps of potential. Lower one on some nice rims and they look hot!

js0n1

25-10-2007, 10:10 PM

It wouldn't of hurt to have made the sedan vtec at approx 20k brand new.... even the Jazz was vtec

Thailand came out with a 2.0l k20 7th gen sedan

Alpine

25-10-2007, 10:13 PM

Malaysia had the 2.0 version too.

Nepolian

25-10-2007, 10:15 PM

Nothing wrong with the 7th gen. Heaps of potential. Lower one on some nice rims and they look hot!

Thats fine, but it wouldnt make sense if you were going to put a H22A in one tho?

Its easier to say everywhere else got the good ones but Australia. We're only good enough to get the povvo packs in all cars.

They must have made a mistake when the Gen 8 Sport came in.

clayton4115

26-10-2007, 09:50 AM

its good you young kids dont like the looks of the standard stock 7 gen gli sedan, less chance of my car getting nicked

hahahaha

Alpine

26-10-2007, 09:33 PM

I must be showing my age then.

ennavoli

26-10-2007, 11:21 PM

Nothing wrong with the 7th gen. Heaps of potential. Lower one on some nice rims and they look hot!

They will look the ultimate sleeper car with a proper K transplant. The D17 is obviously no powerhouse unless turbo'ed.

Emulate the MME2004 mugen engineered champion: http://asia.vtec.net/article/MME2004ET1/index.html

Of course it will make no financial sense, but passion is priceless. :cool:

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9047/62119912fullkk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9047/62119912fullkk1.611688f58a.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=526&i=62119912fullkk1.jpg)

7th Gen

27-10-2007, 12:16 AM

They will look the ultimate sleeper car with a proper K transplant. The D17 is obviously no powerhouse unless turbo'ed.

Emulate the MME2004 mugen engineered champion: http://asia.vtec.net/article/MME2004ET1/index.html

Of course it will make no financial sense, but passion is priceless. :cool:

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9047/62119912fullkk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9047/62119912fullkk1.611688f58a.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=526&i=62119912fullkk1.jpg)

this looks nice
all it needs is a shopping trolley rear wing now :D

ennavoli

27-10-2007, 12:20 AM

this looks nice
all it needs is a shopping trolley rear wing now :D

I actually think with just OEM skirts & lips, lowered with nice rims, it's tastefully nice. Skip the rear spoiler.

clayton4115

27-10-2007, 10:11 AM

wow that looks hot!

7th Gen

27-10-2007, 02:16 PM

why don't people post up pics of their 7th gens and let's have a look and admire :D

clayton4115

27-10-2007, 03:03 PM

ok here !

http://clayton4115.gallery.netspace.net.au/Civic-2005-7th-Gen

7th Gen

27-10-2007, 03:30 PM

7228

7229

steve88

27-10-2007, 03:36 PM

I guarantee you the next generation of honda enthusiasts (the kids like 15-16 atm) will probably find the EG/EK to be too boxxy (just like us younger people like me 19 who find series 1 CRX too boxxy) and opt for Gen 7, etc. as a more smooth/sleek design.
imo the back of gen 7 are ugly as hell, but i reckon would look right with some tinting or something done to it. EK/EG's have been so heavily modded thats probably why we see them as more moddable cars (Aside from the fact that EK was last generation with wishbone suspension and the whole engine problem)

7th Gen

27-10-2007, 04:01 PM

the tailights do remind me of the same vintage lancer or even the VZ (?) C'dore

the 4 circle 'Accord Euro' style tail lights on the facelift does look better.....
then now you see 8th gens all with the 4 circle tail lights
(looks like a GTR hahahaha)

Alpine

28-10-2007, 07:38 AM

Somebody asked for pics, OK here they are. I present my father-in-law's 2005 Civic.

At the Honda dealership waiting for us to collect her!

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2300000-2300999/2300244_11_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2300000-2300999/2300244_12_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2300000-2300999/2300244_10_full.jpg

In the city outside Stamford Plaza Hotel.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2300000-2300999/2300244_1_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2300000-2300999/2300244_2_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2300000-2300999/2300244_3_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2300000-2300999/2300244_4_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2300000-2300999/2300244_5_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2300000-2300999/2300244_6_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2300000-2300999/2300244_7_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2300000-2300999/2300244_8_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2300000-2300999/2300244_13_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2300000-2300999/2300244_14_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2300000-2300999/2300244_9_full.jpg

And I did a quick chop to see what it'd look like with some rims. :P I think it looks pretty good, some rims and lowering is all it needs.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3833/honda016a2hh.jpg

Even some smashed ones for the win...

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/217/pic048small3mk.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/6599/pic051small0sl.jpg

And when it finally returned from the panel beaters shop, I fully washed and detailed her.

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1273/civic0598ow.jpg

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/383/civic0617ib.jpg

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9265/civic0432ku.jpg

The End.

krogoth

28-10-2007, 11:16 AM

very well done on the detail, looks great

philBo

28-10-2007, 11:23 AM

because 7th gens are crap!

clayton4115

28-10-2007, 11:37 AM

its a Honda, it can't be CRAP !!!

ennavoli

28-10-2007, 11:45 AM

There's nothing crap about 7th gens.

If anything, they only lack a good suspension and a more powerful engine, which can be sorted out quite easily if you have enough dough. Chassis wise they are good, they are based on the DC5/EP3 platform. Although there are criticism about their macpherson struts front/wishbone rear combo, personally, if we're not professional racers, and it will not make such a big difference on the track for us.

And they actually have a longer wheelbase than DC5, and that might be an advantage on the track as well.

philBo

28-10-2007, 12:16 PM

its a Honda, it can't be CRAP !!!

LOL @ you. another example of a crap honda car, was the HRV. </end of debate> hahaha:D

clayton4115

28-10-2007, 12:34 PM

HRV whats that? hahaha lol

:wave:

js0n1

28-10-2007, 01:10 PM

Not my civic, but will be what it would look like once I get the OEM kit and foggies... minus the ducktail spoiler and 5zigen rims.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u180/mikoy_photo/Rides/IMG_3380.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u180/mikoy_photo/Rides/ES.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u180/mikoy_photo/Rides/DSCN4156.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u180/mikoy_photo/Rides/ES_1.jpg