B18c2? B18c7? B18c???

[AngelOfHell]

hi guys,

im looking for someone can tell me some details about b18c2, b18c7 and b18c

basic, b18c2 = dc2 vti-R
b18c7 = dc2 ITR
b18c = JDM dc2R

these are all i known~~~~~~ >.<//

can anyone give me more info about these engine??? which one is better? becos im considering get one of them put into my civic

thank you~~!!!

[tRipitaka]

the type R engines (b18c7, b18c-jdm type R) are the better performing out of the three (when stock)..

the jdm b18c produces more power, but they've been tuned for a higher octane, as japan has different petrol to us..

[magicmike]

B18c7:
141kW @ 7900rpm
178Nm @ 6300rpm
Compression Ratio: 11.1:1
Drivetrain: 5 speed close ratio, Limited Slip Differential (LSD)

B18c2
125kW @ 7300rpm
173Nm @ 6200rpm
Compression ratio: 10.0:1

B18c has 147kW (don't know much more)

If you're planning on getting one put in .. try gpc (good performance centre) in yennora (near fairfield)

[xntrik]

B18C as far as I've read, this is the Japanese Model Type-R engine and is built to deal with more horsepower than our australian engine B18C7 from the factory.

[xtat1k]

i'd say go the b18c

[dc2-forshizzle]

B18C as far as I've read, this is the Japanese Model Type-R engine and is built to deal with more horsepower than our australian engine B18C7 from the factory.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the extra power doesn't come from the engine, but rather the ECU (being tuned for a higher octance) and the 4-1 design of the 98'spec headers

[G-Stick]

b18c can also be a jdm vtir engine which has i think 137kws

[jdm_kid]

B18c7:
141kW @ 7900rpm
178Nm @ 6300rpm
Compression Ratio: 11.1:1
Drivetrain: 5 speed close ratio, Limited Slip Differential (LSD)

B18c2
125kW @ 7300rpm
173Nm @ 6200rpm
Compression ratio: 10.0:1

B18c has 147kW (don't know much more)

If you're planning on getting one put in .. try gpc (good performance centre) in yennora (near fairfield)

where did u get ur specs from? there all wrong.

B18c7: 193ps/189hp (141 kW) @ 8200 rpm & 127 ft·lbf/172 Nm @ 7500rpm. Compression - 10.6:1
B18c: 200ps/197 hp (147 kw) @ 8500 rpm & 130 ft·lbf/ ??? Nm @ 7,300 rpm. Compression - 11.1:1


Correct me if I'm wrong, but the extra power doesn't come from the engine, but rather the ECU (being tuned for a higher octance) and the 4-1 design of the 98'spec headers

The extra power does come from the engine. the bore, stroke, head etc was slighty modified and produced a higher compression n little power

[kraiye]

if u can source a jdm itr b18c at reasonable price, grab that
otherwise i'd say just go the b18c7 and just grab some high comp pistons or something :)

[T-onedc2]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the extra power doesn't come from the engine, but rather the ECU (being tuned for a higher octance) and the 4-1 design of the 98'spec headers

Are you comparing B18C7 with B18C 98spec?

There were a number of differences between JDM 96 & 98 spec, the overall power output of 200ps was the same but the 98 spec engine had more torque at low rpm with the newly designed stainless header, from 18.5kgm @ 7500rpm (96spec) to 19kgm @6200rpm (98spec).

[AngelOfHell]

b18c2 got 160hp and b18c7 got 189hp, however the price for b18c2 and b18c7 are huge difference, a double price between them. >.<//??

[Q_ball]

^Tip...dont just look at the final output of power when selecting motors..
Theres a reason why the c7 is more expensive than a c2...
They are superior by far!

[T-onedc2]

b18c2 got 160hp and b18c7 got 189hp, however the price for b18c2 and b18c7 are huge difference, a double price between them. >.<//??
B18C is 170hp, and yes B18C7 is 190hp

[hondavti25]

Hmmm for bang for buk is it worth going the JDM ITR version? Or if i am playing to mod it should i go the VTIR and just mod that with the money i dont spend on the VTIR ITR? I ask as i thinking of this swap in my ej8.

[T-onedc2]

If the budget allows for it then getting the ITR engine is wise, it's got the extra power and factory reliability as is, plus LSD, stronger driveshafts closer ratio gearbox plus lots more.

To do this to a VTi-R B18C2 will be more expensive, but you could do it one step at a time as budget allows and have a similar result in the end, it's been done many times before with great results.

[hondavti25]

hmm whats the price difference for the ITR? its around 4k for the VTIR halfcut?

[AngelOfHell]

hmm whats the price difference for the ITR? its around 4k for the VTIR halfcut?

yea, VTIR half cut around $4k. same as u, im thinking swap on my ej~~~

[AngelOfHell]

but my ej is built on 1999, i think its hard to find a vtiR half cut, ITR should be easy. but the price is a double. moreover, the difference final output hp is 20hp, however the main point: there is something else C7 better than C2~!!! if the C7 is remove from ITR and swap into my ej, then do those things still work perfectly on my ej? becos it has changed body already, the suspension system and something else are different with dc2 body. if cant work prefectly, what is the point for ITR? better go for VTIR~

thank you 4 advice~~~

[blk_shadow]

isn't b18c5 is the jap spec, instead of just b18c?

[Q_ball]

c5 is american.

AngelOfHell...why do you say the c7 wont work in ur EJ whereas a c2 will?

[AngelOfHell]

c5 is american.

AngelOfHell...why do you say the c7 wont work in ur EJ whereas a c2 will?

mayb my post misunderstand u. i want say that c7 is from ITR and c2 is from vtiR, but the price is double. we just known final output and result is from DC2, and its body. and never think about how does c7 work on ej. does time and power reuslt show ej wif c7 can work prefectly? the suspension system of ej and dc2 is different. if go for track, does ej wif c7 can shows result same as dc2? the point is im looking on the performance of the car, not only focus on c7 itself performance. if c7 can not show the performance same as dc2, why i not go for the cheaper one(c2)? and other money can spend on something else?

[vinnY]

i don't see how it won't work more or less different
its up to you to tune the suspension and other handling goodies to make sure it does as well as the dc2 chassis.
the c7 won't magically make the civic shell turn into jelly from the extra power

we understand that you want balance but with the heavy ek chassis the ideal engine would probably be any of the b18c engines because of the extra torque it provides over the regular 1.6l engines that they come stock with

[bennjamin]

angel of hell la , ben here.

IMO get a B18c2 out of a vtir. Also get a DC2 ITR gearbox from a JDM spec or AUDM spec car. And get a lightweight flyhweel and heavy duty clutch - your car will feel nice n zippy and decent torque.

[hondavti25]

Yeah i think with the 3-4k that i could spend on the ITR ill just get 5ziegen headers (sorry about the spellin) light fly wheel cams and if i have money left buy an ECU ready for when ive finished modding.

[AngelOfHell]

hi guys, thanks for ur suggestion and advice. in last 2 days you guys gave me some useful and basic knowleadge on b18c series.

[EG30]

both versions of the ITR engine/gearbox combo comes with LSD as standard which is always good to have, as well as a better upgrade path with the better head porting done at factory and the sought after ITR intake manifold.

and when you upgrade the cams, headers, throttle body, flywheel etc down the track the ITR items are always sought after by others with lesser engines ie B16A and B18C2 thus very easy to sell. We're putting Toda B cams, toda headers and larger 68mm TB onto our B18C7, and the left over bits are going straight onto my B16A to become my poor man's type R engine.

bear in mind even though the JDM drivetrain is more sought after, it's also more expensive. Aus spec B18C7 from a freshly crashed dc2r would not only be cheaper but also comes with the service history to proof its mileage esp if you buy direct from its prev owner.

[bennjamin]

bear in mind even though the JDM drivetrain is more sought after, it's also more expensive. Aus spec B18C7 from a freshly crashed dc2r would not only be cheaper but also comes with the service history to proof its mileage esp if you buy direct from its prev owner.


the jdm drivetrain , 96-98 is the same as the CTR and not that impressive ( 4.4 FD) Its the 98+ JDM OR audm drive train thats nice (4.7 FD)

BTW a local B18c7 would be more expensive than a JDM imported engine / halfcut