D series options.HELP HELP!!!

[Civic_Nich]

Hey guys I have decided to hang onto my D16a8 Eh si Civic Sedan. Currently making 72kw atw with Exhaust and Pod. Really looking for some help and suggestions on what I can do, to get some more power out of it. was thinking turbo or supercharge but for the price I got probably just b18c just looking for some ideas that are cost effective. and if you know of anyone selling anything helpful let me know thanks.

[tekung89]

put together a turbo kit buddy ;) source the parts urself, do some reading and do the turbokit installation urself =) bang for buck i tell ya. and with a double cam d series it will make good power. a b18c will cost u like 3-4k? turbo kits would be around the 2-3 grand depending on where u get ur parts

[Civic_Nich]

yeh turbo would be great, what you thinking just like a t3 set up??

[Civic_Nich]

anyonelse got any other ideas?

[tekung89]

yeh go t3, turbod16.com has heaps of stuff that helped me with mine

[Civic_Nich]

thanks bro, sweet what you running power atw and set up?

[hondavti25]

id love to know where theses b18c conversions for 3-4 grand are?

[Civic_Nich]

i was talking to a dude on the phone yesterday from just jap b18c7 $2900 with 70 000km on it.

[Civic_Nich]

DC2 B18C GSR MT - $2050
half-cuts with manual gearbox, ECU, wiring harness plus 400 shipping. its in japan and thats in usd. so with the current exchange rate your looking at the price being
2,450.00 USD = 2,652.61 AUD
United States Dollars Australia Dollars
1 USD = 1.08270 AUD 1 AUD = 0.923619 USD

pretty good price really but then you have your install costs.

[hondavti25]

you got the number? thats fairly cheap i was told around 6 grand mark

[SLOWEGG]

Dont forget customs and tax.

[hondavti25]

Dont forget customs and tax.

any idea on how much that would be ?

[Civic_Nich]

bro you in sydney there is a b18c with 80000km on it half cut for sale in syd for 2900. at just jap i think i have the numbner and stuff if you want it.

[SeverAMV]

as far as i know there are different variants of the b18c, all making different amounts of power. you might want to look into that first, as some of them produce power equivalent to a b16a, at which point, you would have to decide on whether to get a slightly lighter motor or a slightly torquey-er motor.

its cheaper and probably better power-wise to turbo it. get an ebay turbo kit for all the basic piping and manifold hardware, and then just get a better turbo, cooler, etc.

[barefootbonzai]

as far as i know there are different variants of the b18c, all making different amounts of power.

As above.

There is a big price difference between VTiR/GSR/SiR as compared to Type R. Double the cost is fairly standard.

[Civic_Nich]

very true, this guy quoted me on a b18c7. .... I just finished getting a quote on labour and parts turbo build will cost approx $1500, then actual parts including, turbo, manifold, piping, intercooler, bov, boost controller. ( t3 set up) everything needed for the turbo side of things $1200 australian delivered. then for the engine internals im getting eagle forged rods and low compression pistons approx $ 650 delivered australia.

im going for around 140kw atw. BBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSTTTTT!

[tekung89]

hehe go the easy way out n boost it, u can always start with a cheap turbo setup and build up from there. would u really want internals for 140kw? i guess u'd need it for future references incase u want to aim for a higher power goals.

[Civic_Nich]

hehe go the easy way out n boost it, u can always start with a cheap turbo setup and build up from there. would u really want internals for 140kw? i guess u'd need it for future references incase u want to aim for a higher power goals.

yeh i spoke to a few mechanics today and they reckon its probably the way to go at the end of the day its a motor with 110 000km on it and its 14 years old. so id be happy to go the internals for the extra money to be safe. with the new ecu the motor will be hitting around 8900rpm so i do need to upgrade internals. looking at something simialir to this kit from the same selleron ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260177010943&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123

there is alot of similair kits to that. probably get something very similair and upgrade the turbo or just run it as is and eventually upgrade turbo.


what you guys thinking.

really really looking forward to the build and running the quarter.

[ZeForce]

with the new ecu the motor will be hitting around 8900rpm so i do need to upgrade internals.


Why would you need to rev a boosted D series that high?

[Civic_Nich]

that just straight form the mechanics mouth as i said im new to this so i dont know. but internals are a pretty important thing when boosting. well thats what i led to believe anyways.

[tekung89]

i reckon floggin a D to 7grand would do =) or if u want, pushing it to 7.5k rpm.. leave the 8's too B-series with their bigger and better built na motors:P

[Civic_Nich]

i reckon floggin a D to 7grand would do =) or if u want, pushing it to 7.5k rpm.. leave the 8's too B-series with their bigger and better built na motors:P

yeh true true well at the moment stock it revs to 7500 :s is rev limiter. i think 7500 at the least maybe a little more. so its could prob go handling 8k easy with forged pistons and rods and new ecu.

[SLOWEGG]

650 for rods and pistons? thats fairly cheap.. what kind of pistons? do you get piston rings? what about new bearings? labour?

Reving higher doesnt mean just bottom end work. You will need to do the head work.

[Civic_Nich]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/D16-CRX-Civic-Si-ZC-Turbo-Pistons-Forged-Rods-Rings_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33623QQihZ008QQit emZ180176865047QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
thats the link for it mate, i allowed 650 with the shipping and the exchange rate.... yeh that 1500 (labour) is for the turbo set up, so im guess about another 200-300 in labour for the pistons and rods what you think?/

[Sexc86]

yeh true true well at the moment stock it revs to 7500 :s is rev limiter. i think 7500 at the least maybe a little more. so its could prob go handling 8k easy with forged pistons and rods and new ecu.

man you reallly need to do some research

lol so your telling us your gonna have a 140wkw 8900 revving d16 built built complete with internals drive out for $3350.00 ?

[Civic_Nich]

explain???

[SLOWEGG]

200-300 for labour? is the mechanic asian? lol

installing rods and pistons isnt as easy as you think. Hope the mechanic knows what he is doing.

[Civic_Nich]

200-300 for labour? is the mechanic asian?
haha 200-300 on top of the 1500 when the do the turbo so around 1800 inc pistons and rods.

[Civic_Nich]

man you reallly need to do some research

lol so your telling us your gonna have a 140wkw 8900 revving d16 built built complete with internals drive out for $3350.00 ?

im allowing about 4.5 - 5k yeah man its def doable you just need to be smart about who you use and were you buy you r parts from , ie pistons and rods, i was quoted at 1500 for the pistons and rods and i found them myself. im not expecting it to be cheap but by sourcing the parts myself its going to make it cheaper.

[Sexc86]

as you said on last page?

$1500 + $1200 + $650 = $3350.00

I just dont see how you are gonna get a 9k revving d16 makeing 140wkw with that money mate... i really dont.

maybe it might .... once, and then not see another day

[Civic_Nich]

as you said on last page?

$1500 + $1200 + $650 = $3350.00

I just dont see how you are gonna get a 9k revving d16 makeing 140wkw with that money mate... i really dont.

maybe it might .... once, and then not see another day

i didnt say it will only cost me 3550 and i wont pay another sent, obviosuly there are cost on top. i still have to upgrade cams, injectors and fuel pump and get an ecu.for a good price. I think you will be suprised. once its built will go for a drive

[Sexc86]

mate, 4 - 5 grand will get you a bolt on setup with quality parts.... (even sourceing yourself). but by all means proove me wrong, but many people on here have done these projects.
Your kit didnt include these?
decent ECU + Dyno tune
Decent Exhaust + Clutch another + labour
Injectors / Fuel Pump

makeing a engine (especially a sohc D16) Rev as high as your goal and actually make power that high... you will need camshaft, valve train & retainers.

Dont even consider that junk ebay kit.... save up and piece together something decent. A garrett turbo, standalone management quality fabricated manifold or a simple log design, or even try source a Greddy / AVO turbo kit.

[Civic_Nich]

makeing a engine (especially a sohc D16) Rev as high as your goal and actually make power that high... you will need camshaft, valve train & retainers.
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yeh but my car is a DOHC D16 but know what you mean mate. yeh juust so many options im confused.

[Sexc86]

mate, forget about doing internals and trying to make your engine rev high.. just for the novelty of it & blahblahblah

for 4 -5 grand you can do a quality turbo setup.

*** DONT BUY ANYTHING OVER EBAY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A BRAND / MANUFACTUR YOU HAVE NOT HERD OF***

Things like Cooler pipe / FMIC kits are fine but stay the hell away from turbos, manifolds and no name bovs/wastegates.

Go out and buy youself a quality garrett turbo (internal wastegate) or similar (not Garret Style or SSAC or XS power). Then go source yourself a decent engine management system Hondata / microtec / Haltec.

Start Pieceing together the things you will need

Fuel Pump
Injectors (300cc - 500cc)
BOV
Heavy Duty Clutch
A simple Log manifold if you can find one
Intercooler

Get all the parts you need then go somewhere and have a new exhaust system fabricate 2.5inch - 3inch, and all your necessary parts installed. Then a dyno tune.

With a quality bolt on setup, and good dyno tune you could see anywhere between 110 - 130 wkw.

Just my 2c, anyone welcome to rebut

[Civic_Nich]

nah mate i totally agree with you im prob just going to take the route o trying to only by brand name parts of oz honda and ebay,

[beeza]

Fa Sure.Take ya time and do it right the first time.
Lots of great info on this site.http://d-series.org/ Ghetto racer on there sells the complete Akmee Valvetrain set-up (Camshaft,camgear,springs and retainers) for the equivlent of $730 AU and they ship Overseas.Akmee have dyno proven this set-up with awesome results.
Good luck with it man.

[kraiye]

dont forget to allow for dyno tune! this alone is gonna cost hundreds!

[beeza]

Don't say that,it's scary!!!!!

[Sexc86]

dyno tune is the one thing you deffinately do not go cheap on.. its the thing that makes or brakes your setup. entry level basic dyno tune usually no less then $500 and up from there.

why spend thousands on parts only to end up in hearkbreak by failing due to not haveing a good tune?

[beeza]

So True :(

[90LAN]

he has a zc motor/d series 1.6 motor
NOT a d16 1.6 sohc vtec
it has twin cams but no vtec
these engines love to rev ....
u can get cams,tb's,head work,tuning to get decent power
or easily get a b16/b18c conversion with no hassles
or turbo it
but all these options are in your price range 5k

[Civic_Nich]

yeah i have done a lit bittle of research on my engine the zc and there a pretty strong little engine and i can tell you from driving it, it really does love to rev can. really considered b18c swap but now im thinking go forced induction. as i can buy the parts slowly and then get the work done. thanks for all your help guys its great! if anyone else has actually turboed there dohc d series i would love to hear about it.

[BaNaNaMaN]

Have a read up on here.

http://www.nzhondas.com/phpBB2/1-vtu39747.html?start=0

My mate Mike has taken it to the next level with his Turbo CRX!

[Civic_Nich]

Have a read up on here.

http://www.nzhondas.com/phpBB2/1-vtu39747.html?start=0

My mate Mike has taken it to the next level with his Turbo CRX!

that is intense, good to see some boys turboing the zc!

[tekung89]

140kw is for certain possible atw's on a D, but it wouldnt need to rev out to 8-8.9krpm to achieve such power, i'd think the power curve would drop at that point unless ur internal builds are good. nevertheless, go for the build and pove us wrong :D i love suprises

[Civic_Nich]

i'll have a go ha.

[BaNaNaMaN]

My mate Mike is getting his one tuned today ready for racing tomorrow with a S300 Hondata so will be able to update you about how much he is making at the wheels :)

I say go for it too. I have been in his with just a camFC and it is FAST!

[Civic_Nich]

My mate Mike is getting his one tuned today ready for racing tomorrow with a S300 Hondata so will be able to update you about how much he is making at the wheels :)

I say go for it too. I have been in his with just a camFC and it is FAST!

nice nice est kwatw? has he run the quarter in it?

[BaNaNaMaN]

Made 122 @ 6psi on the old tune. Now runs closer to 12 and is getting tuned today. Plenty has been done since the old tune. He is hoping to get closer to 150wkw

[Civic_Nich]

thats pretty nice man. do you know how much he has spent on the build???

[Sexc86]

just remember not many companies manufacture aftermarket parts for DOHC D16, and alot of Sohc D16 parts are not interchangeable.

[Civic_Nich]

just remember not many companies manufacture aftermarket parts for DOHC D16, and alot of Sohc D16 parts are not interchangeable.

yeh i have noticed. its a shame because the DOHC has alot more potential.

[EK1.6LCIV]

id love to know where theses b18c conversions for 3-4 grand are?

Same, lol

[hondavti25]

hahaha ryan lol :( cant wait for ours to be Bs... Mate id listen to lyle his the bloke that doing the crazy D16 build i think he knows whats going on.. GL with it.

[SeverAMV]

revving all the way to 9k with a boosted engine sounds stupid to me. 7k revs with a boosted engine puts a shitload of stress on the internals, even if you're using forged internals, i dont think anything made for a d series motor will be able to handle that kinda stress for too long. 7500rpm should be sufficient for a turbo build, anything beyond that and you'll have to put in some serious dough to make it stable. if you're planning on revving it that hard, i wouldnt settle for anything less than mugen or spoon parts.

[Civic_Nich]

in other news guys, my dad is meeting a guy in brisbane tommorow with an eg hatch with 88, 000km on it, he needs a sedan so he is going to trade up plus give $1000 cash saweeet! car is still an eg si. 1.6l dohc. will see how it goes/

[kazam]

i was talking to a dude on the phone yesterday from just jap b18c7 $2900 with 70 000km on it.


can u tell him 2 give me a call please... ASAP!!!!!!

[Civic_Nich]

eg hatch was shithouse. ..


QUOTE=kazam;1424201]can u tell him 2 give me a call please... ASAP!!!!!!


the number is at my work in a folder i can put it up on the forum on monday if you like.???

[Civic_Nich]

ok b18c7 sorry its actually got 80 000km he wants 2900 his name is arman 9861 5066. dont know if it will still be there, give it a go.

[BaNaNaMaN]

Bugger, thats a shame you didn't get the hatch.

My mates car made 160wkw on Thursday last week. Then went on the track friday and put a hole in the turbo manifold.

Will update you again with a dyno sheet once I get it from him (ohhh and it weighed in at 883kgs :)

[Civic_Nich]

fark thats not bad hey.!! good power to weight right there.. yeh i didnt get the hatch but i looked into it and the si sedan is actually lighter than the si hatch. so still may be considering a swap plus cash for a stock eg.. car is advertised on carsales and on jdmstyletuning now.
just going to leave it up for sale for two more weeks. then if i cant sell it. TURBO TIME!!!

[SeverAMV]

Bugger, thats a shame you didn't get the hatch.

My mates car made 160wkw on Thursday last week. Then went on the track friday and put a hole in the turbo manifold.

Will update you again with a dyno sheet once I get it from him (ohhh and it weighed in at 883kgs :)

woah, thats one light ass turbo conversion. have you got the specs of his car or a link where i can find it? i dyno'd my car d15b4 dual carb the other day, 50fwkw, but 830kg. gotta see what else he's done for that much power.

[BaNaNaMaN]

woah, thats one light ass turbo conversion. have you got the specs of his car or a link where i can find it? i dyno'd my car d15b4 dual carb the other day, 50fwkw, but 830kg. gotta see what else he's done for that much power.


Check out this link


http://www.nzhondas.com/phpBB2/1-vtu39747.html?start=0

It is his build thread on NZHondas :)

[paps02]

yer definently post up how you go as im looking for an answer to the weak 90something kw my d16y8 is trying to give me.

thinking of converting it to d16b (too pricey) or b16a2 (unsure of all the parts i would need) but am unsure as to whether turboing would be cheaper or would boosting just kill the engine and force me to buy a new one anyways....

can anyone (with some knowledge or experience) help me out here?!! PM even

[SeverAMV]

a bit of an update on obtaining parts for d series motors. check out www.onecamonly.com. there are some cheap distributors with good parts packages. like a complete valvetrain kit including blockguard for 600US, and all motor high compression kits as well. i sound like an advertisement, but their parts are rated at up to 10000rpm, so it makes 9000rpm seem achievable now. plus there are a few guys on there with sohc d series motors that run up to 9000rpm on factory rods and crank, with only aftermarket cast iron pistons. seems to make trying to squeeze power out a d series seem somewhat easy.