XS Turbokit for EK installation diary - Step by Step

[RedVTi]

Hi all,

I have a Honda EK hatch with a factory SOHC VTECH engine. Engine model D16Y6. I believe it is a NZ personal import.

Last month, I have decided to go down the turbo path and bought a XS turbokit from Kerim on this forum.

Here are the pics of what we have done so far.

And I will detail all the problems we have encountered to date.

1. Grouping the components and do some planning before installation. This is important as no instruction was included in the kit!

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01099.jpg

2. Test the mounting of manifold and the XS T3/T4 turbo. There was no bolt included to join the turbo with the manifold!

And we found there is no pipe to join between the external waste gate and the exhaust system. Screamer pipe is highly illegal as the penalty is much worser than getting a defect notice.

I recommend using the factory exhaust gasket, the one from the kit will crack under high boost.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01113.jpg

3. Build the floating brackets to mount the intercooler. The intercooler which came with the kit was not suitable and had to buy a new cooler. Using the kit intercooler means cutting front bar and the cooler will block the radiator! I think I prefer having the front bar protection.

The cooler pipings require serious cutting to suit. Definitely not bolt on!

And also need to purchase new 90 degree rubber joiner reducer.

The BOV pipe is missing which means we shall have to weld a new adaptor later.

Lucky my friend Tim has the experience and can fix the problems as we encountered them.

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4. Modify the factory fuel rail to install the Sard fuel regulator

Tim suggests to use the factory fuel injectors and pump if it is only for low boost application.

Here is picture of him doing the mod

Trust me, I am very impress with his workmanship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01120.jpg

Done!

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01125.jpg

I shall keep you all updated. See more in other pages. Please rate this thread if you think it is helpful.

[Mr_will]

looks like its gonna be a good build.

nice work so far

[beeza]

Awesome man! Everytime I see a d gettin' turboe'd it makes me wanna do it.If only I had money......Is it a D16y8?
And to answer your question in your signature.HELL YES! :)

[1996ek1]

Is it a D16y8?


I think he has a D16Y5

[Limbo]

hey wat size intercooler did you end up getting?

[Lukezen27]

Just boosted my SOHC VTec man your going to love it :thumbsup:

[kraiye]

love those hose clamps :thumbsup:
dam i can't wait to get mine done
interesting mani u got there
u gonna upgrade the turbo though?

[Sexc86]

nice job mate keep us updated!

[RedVTi]

love those hose clamps :thumbsup:
dam i can't wait to get mine done
interesting mani u got there
u gonna upgrade the turbo though?

We are currently doing an analysis of :

Ebay kit Vs Custom kit

We will continue using the kit components until they break and I will replace them. Exception to those bits that are obviously useless like the silly BOV and ridiculous oil lines!

Wanna laugh? Check these Sh^% out!!

Toy BOV?

Rubber oil return line?? They will bend and crumble under hot temperature.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/IMG200.jpg

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If the XS turbo break then I will replace it with my spare Skyline factory T3 internal wastegate turbo and if the manifold crack then i will switch to a Cast iron item.

But for now let see what this $1150 kit can do hey. I will tell you how much i have spent at the end so you know which way to go yourself.

[kraiye]

thats awesome mate
will be really good for many people to know just what NEEDS to be done for cheap turbo build and exactly how good these ebay kits can be
2x:thumbsup:

what management are you using?

how sexy do a fmic's look on an ek!!!!!!! ;)

[SirEk1]

top THREAD! =] will be looking foward to your next post!

[aimre]

We are currently doing an analysis of :

Ebay kit Vs Custom kit


Wanna laugh? Check these Sh^% out!!



Rubber oil return line??




Yeah.... whats wrong with that?

[tekung89]

ur build jus makes me wanna rip mine out, and do it all over again :D

[b18c_crx]

hey what ECU are u going to run?

[string]

Nothing wrong with rubber oil return - Save yourself some cash and use it.

[Lukezen27]

Nothing wrong with rubber oil return - Save yourself some cash and use it.

That's correct just cover it in heat retarded stuff.

That's what came with my kit as well :thumbsup: works fine

[string]

And you'll really only need to cover it if it's close to your dump pipe. Read the heat rating on the rubber and then decide.

[RedVTi]

Thank you for reading....here is the new update.

5. Modification to the sump for the oil return line. Below are pictures of the end result. Perfect job.

Outside view

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01126.jpg

Inside view

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01127.jpg

6. After the turbokit test fitting is done, it is time to get serious. So far most parts of the kit cannot be bolted on without modification. We needed to machine the turbo flange to ensure that there will be no gas leak. In addition, the other side of the flange needs diamond cutting so Tim can tighten the bolts properly( not included with the kit) and not leave any gap. Do you share our pain yet?

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01132.jpg

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But once those are procedures are done. The turbo section should come together like this.


http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01140.jpg

7. ECU - Apexi AFC Neo - management system

My other friend will install this for me tonight. It is piggyback unit which allows user to monitor and adjust the Air/Fuel ratio better than older versions( SAFC I & II). When the whole installation is completed, I will send the car to professional for tuning and make it run in an optimal state. More to that in future.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01135.jpg

The next challenge is to find a suitable exhaust system...$$$$ starts to add up....kits, extra parts & ECU alone have gone pass $2K mark already...

[misteR_bilzz]

good work man, is that manifold that comes with the kit? this is a lil off topic but arn't u selling this on carsales? says in the ad that its got gearbox probs lol

[NSPYRE]

good write up. just wondering, isnt a piggy-back a bit too simple for a turbo application?

[RedVTi]

good work man, is that manifold that comes with the kit? this is a lil off topic but arn't u selling this on carsales? says in the ad that its got gearbox probs lol

Yes, that's the manifold which comes with kit. I wouldn suggest other people who's interested in buiiding a turbo d to buy the cast iron one.

Correct, i was seling the car for a while and received many enquires. But I don't really need that extra cash and other cars to travel with. Now i have found a perfect reason to justify keeping it!:p

[1996ek1]

You would or would not recomend cast iron manifold?

[Sexc86]

you will need something to controll your ignition timeing too as well as your air/fuel

also be carfull with your oil drain, if it is drilled too low the oil will not drain properly and burst out your turbo seals

[RedVTi]

You would or would not recomend cast iron manifold?

Definitely Cast iron manifolds, they won't crack easily like the stainless steel ones.

[RedVTi]

you will need something to controll your ignition timeing too as well as your air/fuel

also be carfull with your oil drain, if it is drilled too low the oil will not drain properly and burst out your turbo seals

Thank you for your advise. I like what you have done with your civic.

All the best with the new parts.

[RedVTi]

good write up. just wondering, isnt a piggy-back a bit too simple for a turbo application?

My friend Tim who is currently doing the installation has got a turbo d EK civic as well. The difference is his civic is custom built by himself using all the good parts. I will show picture of his setup later. He is only using EBC, AFC and fuel regulators plus changed the ignition timing to suit and already able to yield good result( bye bye to 200sx & V8) so there should be no problem here.

[RedVTi]

8. Oil Feed line - the diameter of the oil line from the XS kit is too small which means the oil supply to my turbo may not be enough, it may starve and burn out itself. I notice a small crack in it as well. Gotta to throw it out and replace it with a $90 stainless steel unbreakable oil line :thumbsup:.

Here is the picture of comparison. The one on top is the $90 one which is much strong. Don't use the doggy kit one. This is one of the most important areas to keep your turbo long lasting.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01148.jpg

The oil is coming from the factory oil pressure switch area and it has now been replaced with a junction piece. Lines installed and secured.OK

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01155.jpg

Here is the connection to the turbo. Oil feed line all secured. Oil pressure should be good.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01159.jpg


9. Oil return line. As agreed with others in this thread, we have heat wrapped the rubber oil return line which came with the kit. Hope this one will hold up.

Also pay notice to that 90 degree rubber joint reducer which i have bought to join the intercooler piping with the turbo, it did not come with the kit. Extra $$ again

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01147.jpg


10. Fuel Pressure testing - with all the fuel line installed. System checks.
The pressure does hold up and does not drop immediately back to zero once the ignition switch is cut off. If everything is good, the pressure should reduce steadily for 5-10mins after the igition switch is cut off. No problem here as seen in the pic.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01150.jpg

11. Time to install oil filter and fill the engine oil after every hoses and lines are connected. Do a throughout check, even check all the vaccum hoses including the waste gate one. And yeah the engine starts no problem.:thumbsup: Cannot do much yet because there is no exhaust and there is no pipe connected between the wastegate and the exhaust system ( not included with the kit ). Right now it is too loud and too much exhaust fume!!!! Time to custom made again.....

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01157.jpg

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12. Dump pipe - i would call the kit piece a dumb pipe, this piece which came with the kit sits 2" lower than it should. Without modification, my civic will be cleaning up the rubbish on the road. Gotta to cut it and reweld again!!

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01146.jpg


Here are the cat & muffler purchased from my friend Felix on this Honda forum. Now i need to send the car away to get the catback section custom made. I do prefer a quieter system. A street sleeper.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01156.jpg

13. Apex AFC-Neo - it is wired up but it has no use until my civic goes onto dyno tuning.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01145.jpg

14. Ignition timing - need to retard the timing for this turbo application


15. Kiss goodbye to air conditioner - there is no space for it due to the wastegate. And even if i switch to a turbo with internal wastegate. I still need the space for an oil cooler or full size DC2 type r radiator. Sacrifice !!!!!

16. Gearbox - I don't expect it to last long with the increased load - haven't decided what to use for upgrade yet

By now, i am sure you can agree with me that this XS turbokit is not a bolt on kit and you must prepare to do hard work yourself or have someone professional to do it for you if you insist on having a cheap kit. I have upgraded all the vital areas because i want it to last.


I will show the power result once exhaust is installed and dyno tuned. I hope all this effort and $$$ is worth it.



To be continued..............:cool:

[Lukezen27]

Starting to look good though :)

Once she's going you'll love it :thumbsup:

For the stuff your replacing and might have to when they break my bolt-on in one day and boost that night GReddy kit at $2080 bucks is look'n dam good right now :p

[RedVTi]

8. Correction to point 8. The oil is coming out from oil pressure switch, not fuel pressure switch. Typo sorry.

[RedVTi]

Starting to look good though :)

Once she's going you'll love it :thumbsup:

For the stuff your replacing and might have to when they break my bolt-on in one day and boost that night GReddy kit at $2080 bucks is look'n dam good right now :p

Thanks. You may be right. I will provide a cost break down when the project is done.

The only thing is the Greddy kit does not include the intercooler and pipings so if people want a full kit and run with higher boost then they will need to consider extra cost.

[Lukezen27]

Thanks. You may be right. I will provide a cost break down when the project is done.

The only thing is the Greddy kit does not include the intercooler and pipings so if people want a full kit and run with higher boost then they will need to consider extra cost.

Yeah got CIVIC pipping from the US $190 bucks delviered + FMIC $150 :thumbsup:

Total thu far $2420

[Aza]

looking nice as mate :) nice and simply

[beeza]

The Fuel pressure test.Can you do the same test for N/A cars?

Lovin' this thread!

[RedVTi]

looking nice as mate :) nice and simply

Thank you for your kind word and support.

[Lukezen27]

Thank you for your kind word and support.

So whens your first start-up man?

We are all hanging to see the outcome after everything so far :thumbsup:

[Couper_Trooper]

hey RedVTi...

u get dat fuel reg off ebay?
my tuner wanted 2 sell me one at his garage 4 $250
so i went home n searched on ebay.. n it was only $165 with gauge... lol

[RedVTi]

hey RedVTi...

u get dat fuel reg off ebay?
my tuner wanted 2 sell me one at his garage 4 $250
so i went home n searched on ebay.. n it was only $165 with gauge... lol

Yes, I bought the fuel regulator from ebay. $165 including delivery and even come with the bonus gauge.

[Weq]

this is a good thread, and everyuone thinking of running this crap should read it. It will work, but requires alot of mods.

One point.
Get an oil retstrictor. The line that came with the turbo was 'not too small' Turbos only need a thin, 15psi or so squirt of oil. U will oversupply and blow ur oil seals in no time. Espically which a budget chinese turbo.

[FEL12X]

Hey Mr Redvti..good work so far..cant believe Tim did all that work for u
haha dont forget to mention my support behind the work la

[RedVTi]

Hey Mr Redvti..good work so far..cant believe Tim did all that work for u
haha dont forget to mention my support behind the work la

Tim has been great but i am still waiting for the exhaust shop to be free so the exhaust can be custom made.

You have been supporting me with all the Xforce products. People on this forum would know you have all the Xforce items.

It is time for "Race Nation" to sponsor this civic ( or Combat Wombat as Tim calls it)!!! I am sure you can spare me some parts:)

[tekung89]

post more pics up buddy :D

[RedVTi]

post more pics up buddy :D

Hi, there is no new picture yet but here is the update:

1. Waiting for the delivery of the 550cc injectors, 255LPH fuel pump, strut bars and gauges.

2. Selecting clutch and flywheel at the moment

3. Waiting patiently for the exhaust shop to free up and do my exhaust.

I will update this thread once those are done and ready for dyno tune.

Thank you

[aimre]

Hi, there is no new picture yet but here is the update:

1. Waiting for the delivery of the 550cc injectors, 255LPH fuel pump, strut bars and gauges.

2. Selecting clutch and flywheel at the moment

3. Waiting patiently for the exhaust shop to free up and do my exhaust.

I will update this thread once those are done and ready for dyno tune.

Thank you

so did u listen to weq?

[1996ek1]

I thought all turbos need a restrictor anyway, except the ballbearing turbos because they already have a restrictor fitted?

[Limbo]

They all need a restrictor, some have restrictors built into the turbo, doesn't matter which turbo you have. Not all ballbearing ones have restrictors either.

[Nodachi]

no wonder tim was so busy lately..oh well mine is schedule to go down this path early next year..better make booking soon hahaahha see you RedVti at the "underground garage" ^^

[rnbguy]

hey mate good work, i dont really think u need a new fuel pump, the stock one should handle around 180hp

your getting 550cc injectors and running apexi? im not sure but does the new apexi neo allow more then 50% adjustment to the fuel curve?

try be very careful with the oil drain if your using rubber , a guy at the track had his catch on fire because it leaked and went all over the downpipe....

[Aza]

hey mate good work, i dont really think u need a new fuel pump, the stock one should handle around 180hp

your getting 550cc injectors and running apexi? im not sure but does the new apexi neo allow more then 50% adjustment to the fuel curve?

mine didnt.

it ur ganna run more then 6-7 psi i think fuel pump is a good idea. remember more boost the more fuel u need to get up to it ;)

[RedVTi]

At this stage, I do not know what will work and what won't work until the exhaust is done and start driving it.

I am sure all of you have good advices:)

I bought the injectors and pump so it won't lean out and end up cost more to fix. They are not expensive items.

Here is the cost summary to date:

Imported EK with rego $6,300.00

XS T3/T4 Turbokit $1,150.00
Stainless Steel Oil line $90.00
Second intercooler $160.00
3" to 2.5" reducer 90degree $35.00
Apexi AFC Neo $420.00
550cc Injectors -saturated high impedance $200.00
255 LPG Fuel pump $80.00
Sard Fuel regulator $164.00
Cluster console for duel gauges $40.00
Boost gauge & oil temp gauges $80.00
Front strut bar $50.00
Front lower 4 points H bar $90.00
Total : $8,859.00

Custom Exhaust with Xforce items( may use a Varex muffler) TBA
Clutch, pressure plate ( ACT/Exedy) TBA
Flywheel TBA
Brake pads TBA

I need to keep track of the costs because i have two projects running at the same time.

Most importantly, the cost of this project + the car must stay below the cost of an imported EK Type R/VTi-R in order to prove that the statement in my signature is true. Fast EK is both affordable and fun. We have already got another working example but it has a custom turbo kit with expensive parts.

What should be the expected power after all the work is done? 120kw at the wheel? Become a mess and take months to sort out?

Stay tuned.........

[rnbguy]

ive got a very very very close setup and im getting 120kw atw

only difference is im running stock fuel pump and 440RC injectors, but i dont think thatd make much of a difference to your setup

[Lukezen27]

ive got a very very very close setup and im getting 120kw atw

only difference is im running stock fuel pump and 440RC injectors, but i dont think thatd make much of a difference to your setup

What psi are you on to hit 120?

[Couper_Trooper]

mine didnt.

it ur ganna run more then 6-7 psi i think fuel pump is a good idea. remember more boost the more fuel u need to get up to it ;)

Exactly
:thumbsup::thumbsup:

my honda pump's pumping days are over...

welcome walbro :thumbsup:

[1996ek1]

Just wanted to point out to you incase

On the red joiner on the right, just under the clamp there is a tiny gap between the joiner and the pipe

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01117.jpg

[beeza]

Now that the cost summary is up it all makes sense.One of the best threads I've seen.

[aimre]

so it cost more than a greddy kit.... nice :thumbsup:

[Lukezen27]

Don't forget the 1k your need to make her legal + brake upgrade.

Add 2k to your total :p

There would be nothing worse than smashing her after all that work and not getting your insurance payout...

[Limbo]

i would have opted for the greddy kit ove the XS power that's for sure.

[chockz]

RedVTi took one for the team, and allowed us to know which was the better alternative..kudos

[Cvik_ryda]

There would be nothing worse than smashing her after all that work and not getting your insurance payout...
Why would u say something like that???? th guy is getting it done it all exciting and im sure hes mature enough to take care of himself and the car?? Are u depress?

[Lukezen27]

Why would u say something like that???? th guy is getting it done it all exciting and im sure hes mature enough to take care of himself and the car?? Are u depress?

What the hell are you talking about?

you would have to be stupid not to make your car legal!!!!

[rnbguy]

its stupid not to make it legal, but the sad thing is i think most moders arent driving legal cars... if just having an open air filter is illigal it kinda sux to think we'd have to drive with a turbo and a box sticking out of it :/

[Sexc86]

doesnt help that transport authorities and Police all have their "Version" of the law... and their interpretation depends on what mood they are in..

[Lukezen27]

its stupid not to make it legal, but the sad thing is i think most moders arent driving legal cars... if just having an open air filter is illigal it kinda sux to think we'd have to drive with a turbo and a box sticking out of it :/

All you need is this

http://i18.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/c0/89/b718_1.JPG

I passed my Engineering Certificate with this :thumbsup:

[destrukshn]

All you need is this

http://i18.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/c0/89/b718_1.JPG

I passed my Engineering Certificate with this :thumbsup:
you should also mention by consulmotive.
a VERY respected engineer through out NSW with the tuners, and POLICE.

[Lukezen27]

you should also mention by consulmotive.
a VERY respected engineer through out NSW with the tuners, and POLICE.

Yup that correct :thumbsup:

Top Guy and knows his shit

[Aza]

still doesnt change that turboing a civic fails the guideline of not being able to turbo a MA catagory car. so if u wanna get technical all boosted honda's are illegal... no matter what. but ha as if a copper would be that much of a jerk. Still thats why my civic failed engineers.

[Lukezen27]

still doesnt change that turboing a civic fails the guideline of not being able to turbo a MA catagory car. so if u wanna get technical all boosted honda's are illegal... no matter what. but ha as if a copper would be that much of a jerk. Still thats why my civic failed engineers.

hm so my new mod sticker from the RTA is illegal?

Once its reged as a boosted Honda what can the copper do?

Nothing I would say..

[tekung89]

i would say the chances of u getting booked normally depends on the copper's mood at that time. if u have a plate, then thats fine, but he'll definately scope ur car /engine bay for something else to defect. its jus how cops have to work, they have a certain amount of tickets they MUST give out during a given period.

on topic!: best of luck with ur car, turbo D's are the shietz

[Aza]

plate or not. it still fails one of the guidelines to have the plate. it also states u cannot fail any guideline. Ha i had a good read over it when mine failed the first time, guy let me read over all the guidelines and regulations, and then recommended me to someone abit more hmmm leanant :)

Its not hard to get a car plated these days. But you can still get defected even if you have a plate for something on ur car. If its illegal its illegal, plate or not ;)

However 99.99% coppers see the plate and think none the wiser. im just saying technically speaking :p

[aimre]

plate or not. it still fails one of the guidelines to have the plate. it also states u cannot fail any guideline. Ha i had a good read over it when mine failed the first time, guy let me read over all the guidelines and regulations, and then recommended me to someone abit more hmmm leanant :)

Its not hard to get a car plated these days. But you can still get defected even if you have a plate for something on ur car. If its illegal its illegal, plate or not ;)

However 99.99% coppers see the plate and think none the wiser. im just saying technically speaking :p


Ure a stooge mate. We're in NSW. Ur rules dont apply here

[Lukezen27]

Ure a stooge mate. We're in NSW. Ur rules dont apply here

lol yeah

I was kind'a hoping I didn't spend all the cash for nothing :p

[Limbo]

all they can do is check whether your mods are the ones on the plate. If they think there has been a change since they can defect you. In relation to you mod plate not being proper they usually refer this to another dept as they are not qualified to check you car.

I knew someone who was sent to the cop shop to get his engineer's certificate checked out. Can't rem all the details only that it needed to be brought to one of the cop's special shops. Anyway, they generally will not pick on a honda that much in NSW. There are too many WRXs, 200sx & Skylines to make money off!

[beeza]

True to that mate!

[RedVTi]

In my last 10 years ownership of various modified vehicles, i haven't yet got a defect notice and I never have a mod plate. Touch wood! I have owned a fully modified AE86 with roll cage, S15 with decent modification, Race preped FTO, and 300ZX etc.

This is not to say that it is the right thing to do. But I do have my own little survival guide. Guess I have been luckily able to minimise the probability of getting a defect notice. I intend to stay this way for as long as I can.

Here are my tips to avoid getting pullover:

1. Don't go out crusing on Friday and Saturday nights when cops are most active if your car have a lot of mods. You are just asking for it.

2. Your driving attitude on the street is important. The cops have the ability to isolate those Fast&Furious want-to-be type from miles away, especially those P platers.

3. Cops are humans as well so they know how to appreciate cars. If they see your car is prep properly for circuit driving rather than street racer type setup, then they may treat you as a car lover rather than a road racer( speaking from experience as I live next a police station and my S13 is modified with semi-slicks and no interior!)

4. Have a sleeper car and disguise all the mods.

5. Do not treat cops like idiots and play dumb. If the cop happens to ask me to stop, i normally address him as "sir" and try to start a decent converation. So far it works for me. May be because i acted politely. Every little bits help right? Don't go: " What's wrong officier?" assuming yourself have already done something wrong to put yourself in a difficult position.

Street racing is definitely not worth it, not only you would endanger other people lives and may even face imprisonment. Insurance also do not cover you if they find evidence of mods. Do yourself a favor and pay $100 entry fee to drive on the circuit if you have the urge to speed. Don't forget the media has recently put a lot pressure on police force to stop the hoons.

I take no responsibilty of my suggestions as I am merely here to share my view. The same way I share my experience with my project build.

P.S. My civic is now with the exhaust shop so hopefully i can collect it soon. Can't wait!

[Limbo]

rodfl, yeah just keep off their radar and you will be fine most of the time. Luck helps also

[string]

Are you doing any mods for corner traction or heat dissipation? I've got a feeling you'll definately be quicker than a N/A B in a straight line, but through corners and reliability/endurance the B might have you beat.

Good work though, doing well for a small budget.

[RedVTi]

Are you doing any mods for corner traction or heat dissipation? I've got a feeling you'll definately be quicker than a N/A B in a straight line, but through corners and reliability/endurance the B might have you beat.

Good work though, doing well for a small budget.

Thank you.

This project has a small budget because there are other important investment commitments which I need to focus on. However, there will be sponsored products available for this civic soon.

They are:

Buddy Club Carbon bonnet
Enon HID
JDM Front lip
Aluminium radiator
Buddy Club Gear knob
Xforce muffler and hi-flow cat
JDM Front grill


You are right. The cornering ability will need attention after the powerplant is sorted. Right now i only have a set DC2 ITR springs( not installed) and that may not be sufficient.

[Lukezen27]

Thank you.

This project has a small budget because there are other important investment commitments which I need to focus on. However, there will be sponsored products available for this civic soon.

They are:

Carbon bonnet
HID
PU Front lip
Aluminium radiator
Gear knob


You are right. The cornering ability will need attention after the powerplant is sorted. Right now i only have a set DC2 ITR springs( not installed) and that may not be sufficient.

sponsored

Dang nice one bro :thumbsup:

Wish I'd thought of that :p

[RedVTi]

Well. I would dream to have a civic to like this:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/2619341_16_full.jpg

And this is what i bought for my civic... F1 side mirrors to go with the carbon bonnet

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01137.jpg

[1996ek1]

Sponsered by whom? :confused:

[teaseR]

his wallet =)

[FEL12X]

hey guys.. this lil turbo project is sponsored by us la (Race Nation in trader section..)

i was abit busy so i was unable to deliver the goods to u

Your bonnet / HID / Front lip / Radiator and gear knob will soon be delivered once ur car is out from the exhaust place..

everything is ready and its now stored in my warehouse

so let me know when it comes out and we put them on

u forget the front grill and the XFORCE gears are from us too ..lol

i think we should post some pic of wombat's turbo ek here since ur car is not ready yet..

both are turbo EK sohc but totally different set up and diff engine...

[Lukezen27]

hey guys.. this lil turbo project is sponsored by us la (Race Nation in trader section..)

i was abit busy so i was unable to deliver the goods to u

Your bonnet / HID / Front lip / Radiator and gear knob will soon be delivered once ur car is out from the exhaust place..

everything is ready and its now stored in my warehouse

so let me know when it comes out and we put them on

u forget the front grill and the XFORCE gears are from us too ..lol

i think we should post some pic of wombat's turbo ek here since ur car is not ready yet..

both are turbo EK sohc but totally different set up and diff engine...

Good one FEL12X

Nice to see someone supporting the SOHC VTec :thumbsup:

[1996ek1]

Support me xD

[RedVTi]

hey guys.. this lil turbo project is sponsored by us la (Race Nation in trader section..)

i was abit busy so i was unable to deliver the goods to u

Your bonnet / HID / Front lip / Radiator and gear knob will soon be delivered once ur car is out from the exhaust place..

everything is ready and its now stored in my warehouse

so let me know when it comes out and we put them on

u forget the front grill and the XFORCE gears are from us too ..lol

i think we should post some pic of wombat's turbo ek here since ur car is not ready yet..

both are turbo EK sohc but totally different set up and diff engine...


Thank you Felix. You are a champ.

Yes, I will show the other turbo EK setup for comparison in this thread soon.

With your gears my car should have the popular JDM appearence :thumbsup: and I only have to concentrate on its performance :thumbsup:.

[FEL12X]

lol...even ur volvo is turbo...do u have anything that is NA in ur garage?

[RedVTi]

My Civic was NA until now.

[RedVTi]

Just want to show you the items which i have included in my cost summary. They are not installed yet. Will do it the same time when I installed the other sponsored items.

Front strut brace and lower 4 points bar

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01165.jpg


Rebuilt Denso 550cc injectors with OBD0/1 connectors

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01164.jpg


The cluster dash surround and gauges

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01163-1.jpg

I think they are decent enough for the price. All items arrived from US without hassle.

[Limbo]

mate its pretty funny cos i got the same items for my car lol

[RedVTi]

mate its pretty funny cos i got the same items for my car lol

Good. At least I know they will work then:D

[Lukezen27]

Good. At least I know they will work:D

Wicked

Where did you get that cluster dash surround and gauges and have you seen em for EG's?

I can't for the life of me work out a good place for my gauges :o

[RedVTi]

Wicked

Where did you get that cluster dash surround and gauges and have you seen em for EG's?

I can't for the life of me work out a good place for my gauges :o

You will find them on ebay.com

[Lukezen27]

You will find them on ebay.com

Yeah heaps for 96+ none for 95- :thumbdwn:

[RedVTi]

Ok guys...tonight I went to Long Last muffler shop to pick up my civic. The custom catback exhaust is done plus the fume from the external wastegate can now plumb back to the exhaust system. The workmanship seems good. See pic.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01199.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01193.jpg

Okay the wastegate is now joined onto the main dump pipe. At least i won't get a $20,000 fine from EPA.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01197.jpg

Custom exhaust piping from cat to muffler. 2.5" all the way

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01195.jpg


However there was a minor setback. The AFC did not work properly due to the differences between the Australian and NZ models' mapping diagrams. Therefore the car's idle was rough like hell and kept stalling when the gas was off. It could not be driven home :(

Can anyone please suggest a solution?

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01198.jpg

Tim will organise the towing tomorrow to bring the car back to the workshop . He will need to investigate the problem.

No instant joy tonight.

Here is Tim's own personal turbo EK D16 ride with proper custom setup.

Garrett GT28/Disco potato turbo for fast spooling...cast iron header for reliability....custom cold air box...oil cooler...plus more..Lighting Fast!!

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01189-1.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01185.jpg


I will discuss more about this car after my project is completed...All I am suggesting is that if he can make this car runs so beautifully then he should be able to sort out mine. Let's hope and he can find the problem of this kiwi civic.

Right now...I just have to wait...

[kerim]

However there was a minor setback. The AFC did not work properly due to the different mapping diagram between the Australian and NZ models. Therefore the car's idle was rough like hell and kept stalling when the gas was off. It could not be driven home :(

Can anyone please suggest a solution?



ey man, all i gotta say is "wow", this is one good thread. keep up the good hard work. Hope it comes together all good in the end.

I had a similar problem to you regarding idle, where if i didnt keep the accelerator down a touch it would constantly stall due to extremely low idle.
I searched the forums, and the best way was to increase the idle and reset ecu. I followed this link, very helpful http://www.teirney.net/civic/TipsAndTricks.htm. It Solved my problem and its still ideling properly without any stalls now. Give that a try and let us know how you go with that

[RedVTi]

ey man, all i gotta say is "wow", this is one good thread. keep up the good hard work. Hope it comes together all good in the end.

I had a similar problem to you regarding idle, where if i didnt keep the accelerator down a touch it would constantly stall due to extremely low idle.
I searched the forums, and the best way was to increase the idle and reset ecu. I followed this link, very helpful http://www.teirney.net/civic/TipsAndTricks.htm. It Solved my problem and its still ideling properly without any stalls now. Give that a try and let us know how you go with that

Thank you for the support and we shall check it out.

All Turbo D16s in Oz, keep rollin' !!!!

[FEL12X]

hey Mr
what a good thread here..........really worth looking from the begining till the last ...and now still going...
u give a affordable option for those D16 here which dont really want to go the B route..(i wish i still have my EK sedan) then i will 100% do the same to it
...i am waiting for ur project finish and maybe i will start doing one again

very tempting...and seriously...great work

Go WOMBAT!!!!!!!!!!

[Limbo]

hey just wondering is tim's car still got a/c and P/S?
I've noted that he's used a T3 manifold with a plugged up waste gate and a conversion adaptor plate.
Nice going i was gonna do something like that before, its good to see the idea would have actually worked.

[RedVTi]

hey just wondering is tim's car still got a/c and P/S?
I've noted that he's used a T3 manifold with a plugged up waste gate and a conversion adaptor plate.
Nice going i was gonna do something like that before, its good to see the idea would have actually worked.

Yes, he is using a T3 manifold with T25 adaptor plate so he can use a fast spooling turbo. His turbo kicks in at 2000rpm while I think mine will kick in much later.

A/C on his car has been removed and an oil cooler has taken its space. P/S is still there.

[RedVTi]

hey Mr
what a good thread here..........really worth looking from the begining till the last ...and now still going...
u give a affordable option for those D16 here which dont really want to go the B route..(i wish i still have my EK sedan) then i will 100% do the same to it
...i am waiting for ur project finish and maybe i will start doing one again

very tempting...and seriously...great work

Go WOMBAT!!!!!!!!!!

While it is afordable, I don't think it is easy at all.

My tehnical knowledge on cars is very limited so I have to rely everything on others. I don't even know how to change engine oil or filter. It is not my field.

Personally I wish there is " turbo turn key" package available. Just drop the car and pick it when the car has been turbo charged and ready to go. I know AVO has it but it is priced at $6k+. I have decided to go down this route to see if I can do it for less.

Afterall, it looks like Tim's custom setup will most likely win contest as my project begining to look like 85% custom rather than bolt-on as stated in most ebay turbo complete packages. After this project is done, we shall know for sure what parts are worth using and how to set it up correctly.

Thank you for your support mate...once I have my car back you can do the magic on the exterior.

[Lukezen27]

While it is afordable, I don't think it is easy at all.

My tehnical knowledge on cars is very limited so I have to rely everything on others. I don't even know how to change engine oil or filter. It is not my field.

Personally I wish there is " turbo turn key" package available. Just drop the car and pick it when the car has been turbo charged and ready to go. I know AVO has it but it is priced at $6k+. I have decided to go down this route to see if I can do it for less.

Afterall, it looks like Tim's custom setup will most likely win contest as my project begining to look like 85% custom rather than bolt-on as stated in most ebay turbo complete packages. After this project is done, we shall know for sure what parts are worth using and how to set it up correctly.

Thank you for your support mate...once I have my car back you can do the magic on the exterior.

I think that why the GReddy kit is a good option IMO its a true bolt-on.

One day install and boost that night no modding needed what so every!! :thumbsup:

[RedVTi]

I think that why the GReddy kit is a good option IMO its a true bolt-on.

One day install and boost that night no modding needed what so every!! :thumbsup:

I think the Trust kit is a very good bolt-on kit if you want 100-120kw on the wheel and be happy with it.

Not sure the Trust turbo that comes with the kit is capable if you want higher output. And their injectors and e-management are not recommended from what I have read so far.

I believe custom kit will be much better than the Trust kit if you want ultimate power gain and use for track/drag.

[Lukezen27]

I think the Trust kit is a very good bolt-on kit if you want 100-120kw on the wheel and be happy with it.

Not sure the Trust turbo that comes with the kit is capable if you want higher output. And their injectors and e-management are not recommended from what I have read so far.

I believe custom kit will be much better than the Trust kit if you want ultimate power gain and use for track/drag.

True but you only need to upgrade a few things in the GReddy kit to make good power

Plus you can drive round on low boost till you do upgrade the day of install..

[RedVTi]

Ok... this XS turbo kit is now officially garbage and cannot be recommended.

The idling problem is gone after the spark plugs have been changed.

But...the turbo won't spooling even up to 4000rpm......

This mean the XS turbo is basically not suitable for this 1.6L engine. And because it doesn't spool, the engine intake gets all choked up and engine becomes straving for oxygen. Bad.

XS Turbo - useless - may be better for skyline which has 2.5L engine - anyone wants to buy it for $200?

XS External wastegte - there is no rating marked on the spring so don't know at what boost it would open..anyone wants to buy it for $65?

XS dumpipe - needed to be scrapped even after cutting it to the right length

Newly custom made piping for the external wastegate - need to be scrapped.

I have lost more than this kit originally costed me with labour time and useless parts. If only you can see my face!

I am now very pissed with F%^King this kit...what a waste of time and money...I thought it would still work and can use it for comparison with Tim's custom civic. Well, the conclusion is that there is no comparison. Do not...I repeat..do not waste yout money.
I made a mistake of not going custom in the first place.

Now we need to go back to the drawing board and start savaging what's left of this XS kit. We will still use the manifold and intercooler piping but the turbo has to be changed. For simplicity sake, we decide to use a turbo with internal wastegate. I am going to bring out my spare skyline turbo in my garage...brand new garett will probably cost me another $1600+ so let's go with this turbo for now.

See pic. Plus I will need a Xforce 3" dump pipe for the turbo.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC00024.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/R33SSFrontpipe.jpg

Tim's civic can produce a useable 135kw atw with turbo starts spooling at 2000rpm and the boost remains all the way through to the redline.

I am still hoping for my project to have a good result.

[Lukezen27]

Ouch dude

That's sucks

Wasn't the turbo kit made for you car?

[1996ek1]

Ouch dude

That's sucks

Wasn't the turbo kit made for you car?

It was for d16.
And thats why not much of it works, because its about $1150.

It was actually starting to look you were almost there, and then this happens.
Hope it works out, i was originally going to do same thing, and decided custom.

Just wondering, how much the skyline turbo you have cost you? Or has it been there so long you forget...

[RedVTi]

It was for d16.
And thats why not much of it works, because its about $1150.

It was actually starting to look you were almost there, and then this happens.
Hope it works out, i was originally going to do same thing, and decided custom.

Just wondering, how much the skyline turbo you have cost you? Or has it been there so long you forget...

Yeah, i thought I was there then this thing happens. One step forward and two steps back with this bloody kit!! And the turbo is way too large to use with this little 1.6L engine. Either that or the wastegate is a defect unit and just leaks boost.

XS like the rest of the other US ebay sellers put this type of universal kits together and by changing a few parts like the manifold and intercooler piping and they would market the kit as whether they want it to be. Now I can tell you that they have never tested any of their kit. Case close

I think I am now scrapping $1k worth of parts and labour.

This turbo was left behind by a client few years ago so no cost to me.

If I only listened to Tim and go custom from the start then this project would have finished by now. So it's my own fault.

[Lukezen27]

It was for d16.
And thats why not much of it works, because its about $1150.

It was actually starting to look you were almost there, and then this happens.
Hope it works out, i was originally going to do same thing, and decided custom.

Just wondering, how much the skyline turbo you have cost you? Or has it been there so long you forget...

My is also for D16's and its working great..

That should have meant the turbo was matched for 1.6L should it not?



If I only listened to Tim and go custom from the start then this project would have finished by now. So it's my own fault.

There's nothing wrong with kits its just you picked the wrong one IMO

[RedVTi]

My is also for D16's and its working great..

That should have meant the turbo was matched for 1.6L should it not?



There's nothing wrong with kits its just you picked the wrong one IMO

I know I know. Let me guess. You are going to say Trust kits are the best again?

[1996ek1]

No this is the Only d series kit provided by XS.
Your was a specific d series, 1.6L turbo and kit to suit, not just a universal kit with added pieces to make it for d16.

Where as the XS kits are universal, and they just give IC piping + downpipe to suit your car.

[FEL12X]

xforce dump pipie is on the way mate

[RedVTi]

xforce dump pipie is on the way mate

Cheers mate. Now I need to pour in extra fund to make it work :(

[Lukezen27]

Oh I see


No this is the Only d series kit provided by XS.
Your was a specific d series, 1.6L turbo and kit to suit, not just a universal kit with added pieces to make it for d16.

Where as the XS kits are universal, and they just give IC piping + downpipe to suit your car.


I know I know. Let me guess. You are going to say Trust kits are the best again?

Not its no where near the best lol

Its the cheaps of the good quality kit that's it... Good starter kit

[RedVTi]

Not its no where near the best lol

Its the cheaps of the good quality kit that's it... Good starter kit

Yes, I agree. Good for you that you bought one.

May be we can meet up in the future to cruize :thumbsup:

[Lukezen27]

Yes, I agree. Good for you that you bought one.

May be we can meet up in the future to cruize :thumbsup:

Yeah for sure man

The Turbo D's are starting to add-up :thumbsup:

[destrukshn]

Yeah for sure man

The Turbo D's are starting to add-up :thumbsup:
i'll join in with my B's and have a little fluttering fun
lol.

[Lukezen27]

i'll join in with my B's and have a little fluttering fun
lol.

Dose baby dose

I love the sound :thumbsup:

[Limbo]

yeah i might join you guys soon also. Mine's about underway.

P.S RedVTI - the spooling of the turbo is dependent on the turbo not so much on the manifold.

The reason Tim got a T3 with a T28 flange adaptor is cos it was a cast T3 and cheaper to get it that way. And cos you can't weld on a cast manifold he used the flange. I'm sure if you ask him he'll confirm.

I'm sure the custom kit will be good. PM me if you need a place to make the kit, as i have a place making mine also.

[RedVTi]

yeah i might join you guys soon also. Mine's about underway.

P.S RedVTI - the spooling of the turbo is dependent on the turbo not so much on the manifold.

The reason Tim got a T3 with a T28 flange adaptor is cos it was a cast T3 and cheaper to get it that way. And cos you can't weld on a cast manifold he used the flange. I'm sure if you ask him he'll confirm.

I'm sure the custom kit will be good. PM me if you need a place to make the kit, as i have a place making mine also.

Thanks Limbo. Like I said, I don't possess a lot of technical knowledge so please correct me if I am wrong.

Tim's turbo is actually a GT28 or disco potates as he told me tonight.

I am happy to know there are at least four turbo civics in Sydney. How many are there in OZ hey? I think more and more poeple will turbo their civics.

[RedVTi]

i'll join in with my B's and have a little fluttering fun
lol.

No problem.

[chockz]

Tim is juz gay mang...

[RedVTi]

Tim is juz gay mang...

I won't tell his girlfriend about you two alright :p

So we are going to hit the track in Jan 08?

[chockz]

yeah man! setting the car ..Tim the gaylord teaching me how to drive...=)

[Limbo]

So time went the T28RS, that's a nice turbo ;)
I was thinking of that one also but its not cheap! the turbo is like $1,500 on it own.

I know of another 4 that you have not listed and i know there is alot more

[chockz]

Limbo --- His name is Tim, not time =)

[Weq]

Thanks Limbo. Like I said, I don't possess a lot of technical knowledge so please correct me if I am wrong.

Tim's turbo is actually a GT28 or disco potates as he told me tonight.

I am happy to know there are at least four turbo civics in Sydney. How many are there in OZ hey? I think more and more poeple will turbo their civics.


There are lots and lots of turbo civics ruinning around Sydney... Ive personally seen about 20. Probably not even half of whats out there.

One of the reasons i quit. Not unique anymore :) But they are cheap to build, and make good power in a light shell. Bang for buck!

[RedVTi]

There are lots and lots of turbo civics ruinning around Sydney... Ive personally seen about 20. Probably not even half of whats out there.

One of the reasons i quit. Not unique anymore :) But they are cheap to build, and make good power in a light shell. Bang for buck!

Not being unique doesn't bother me. My goal is build it within a reasonable budget and have fun with it, probably make some friends along the way as well.

Unique means $$$$. My savings is being used to increase my investment portfolio as this becomes a top priority when you reach my age:p

[RedVTi]

So time went the T28RS, that's a nice turbo ;)
I was thinking of that one also but its not cheap! the turbo is like $1,500 on it own.

I know of another 4 that you have not listed and i know there is alot more

Yes, that GT28 turbo is not cheap. But still better than throwing the whole XS kit like I just did! I don't even get to enjoy it before kissing it goodbye.

[chockz]

I guess for RedVTi, unique means having a turbo setup with decent performance (power) at a reasonable budget something easy for the masses. If RedVTi succeed in making a decent turbo setup, or a "unique" one, he may just get a first customer =)
I guess Weq u shouldn't quit, in fact u could be unique or different by going an alternative route from what you've been seeing? Supercharger? Twin charger? Twin turbo? =)

[Limbo]

yeah i just got the T28R instead, yeah my bad calling tim, time.
Just make sure you use a proper garrett and you will have less problems, none of those immitation crap

[RedVTi]

I am waiting for Tim to chop up the XS dumppipe and my new Skyline dumppipe so they can be welded together. And also install the water cooling lines for the Skyline turbo.

So in the meantime, let me post more pics of Tim's weapon.

Custom cold air box

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01190-1.jpg

Adjustable fuel regulator

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01192.jpg

Plenty of gauges to provide vital info

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/TIMEKINT.jpg

Stealth intercooler sprayed in black

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01188.jpg

Oil cooler setup

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01186.jpg

This is what should I have done in the first place and not wasted money on ebay kit especially when I have already got a few spare turbos.

[Lukezen27]

What's Time beast put out REDVTI?

[FEL12X]

I won't tell his girlfriend about you two alright :p

So we are going to hit the track in Jan 08?


u guys going??...how about tim..

and ..me!!!!!

by the way...hi chooocccckkk

[chockz]

yeah..bloody hell, we are quite psyched up abt it..let's hope it has slots..
Hiiii...long time now see felix ..
yes..join us...

[Weq]

Not being unique doesn't bother me. My goal is build it within a reasonable budget and have fun with it, probably make some friends along the way as well.

Unique means $$$$. My savings is being used to increase my investment portfolio as this becomes a top priority when you reach my age:p

I just assumed from the above posts you thought there were not many turbo civic setups around. I was just pointing out that there are quite a few. You will find alot of them dont really post, they are not as attention seeking as the JDM boys.

Investing is smart, but it isnt fun. When i dump 20k into a car, i dont expect anything back except a great fat smile. Oh and girls. Fast loud cars get your honeys.


I guess for RedVTi, unique means having a turbo setup with decent performance (power) at a reasonable budget something easy for the masses. If RedVTi succeed in making a decent turbo setup, or a "unique" one, he may just get a first customer =)
I guess Weq u shouldn't quit, in fact u could be unique or different by going an alternative route from what you've been seeing? Supercharger? Twin charger? Twin turbo? =)

Uniqueness was the first thing that attracted me to turbo civics. Everything has been done before. Twin charged, twin turbo, supercharged. There are simple formulas that the americans follow with results garenteed. These days you have certain turbos for certain trap speeds. We are shockingly behind here. No research or development. All workshops do here is copy (albeit badly)..

[Weq]

I really like this thread though. You have put all your thoughts into words and have not let expectation or hype get ahead of you. Alot of people buy parts, proclaim they are the best and everything they had done is the best, and they leave it at that. This thread is more a journey into an unknown world.

You will be happy with the log manifold and skyline turbo. they sound great. Lots of flutter and a spool sound to die for.

[Lukezen27]

Investing is smart, but it isnt fun. When i dump 20k into a car, i dont expect anything back except a great fat smile. Oh and girls. Fast loud cars get your honeys.


(albeit badly)..

Dam yeah..

I've spent $22,0000 thus far and insured for $8k lol

But when I go for a drive :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Fun fun

IMO its not about max power but having enough power to have fun

[RedVTi]

I really like this thread though. You have put all your thoughts into words and have not let expectation or hype get ahead of you. Alot of people buy parts, proclaim they are the best and everything they had done is the best, and they leave it at that. This thread is more a journey into an unknown world.

You will be happy with the log manifold and skyline turbo. they sound great. Lots of flutter and a spool sound to die for.

Thank you Weq. Glad you are enjoying this thread.

I still believe in " No pain No gain" approach so a bit of failure along the way is okay by me.

And turbo Civics are still unique in their own ways because even if we counted every single turbo Civics in Oz, the sum would probably be less 2% of total imported Skylines. Right? On top of that, each turbo Civic has their individual variations.

My civic with Skyline turbo is probably a better setup and if it works then people with a budget similar to mine can go for it.

Whether we have chosen the JDM or USDM path we still only be the followers. Why? Looks at how expensive our workshops & imported part costs are in comparison to those countries, they can afford to try different setups until it is right. Over here it will suck us dry. But we shouldn't complain because we ain't living in a third world or have to worry about getting shot or bombed.

[FEL12X]

[quote=Weq;1475060].

Investing is smart, but it isnt fun. When i dump 20k into a car, i dont expect anything back except a great fat smile. Oh and girls. Fast loud cars get your honeys....


quote]


..hehe... what happen if married?...

RedVti...no wonder u are turbo charging it...lol

[RedVTi]

Once again my heart can start bounding. Tim has positioned the Nissan turbo and installed the water cooling lines( see the extra lines ). Wastergate has also been modified. This setup is much better and more reliable than the previous one.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/Image060.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/Image061.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/Image063.jpg

[Lukezen27]

Whoo whooo

Lets ride

Regulators Mount Up!!

[1996ek1]

Just wondering, did you changing to a colder spark plug?
And were the injectors $200 total, or $200 + rebuild ?

[RedVTi]

Just wondering, did you changing to a colder spark plug?
And were the injectors $200 total, or $200 + rebuild ?

I don't think we have changed the spark plugs to colder as there is no change to the ignition timing.

The injectors were $200 total. Check seller evotuner on ebay us. That's whom i bought them from.

Have you contacted Tim yet regarding the turbo or manifold?

My turbo is now spooling at idle. Yeah! Yeah! Just waiting for the dump pipe modifcation to completed and i shall have turbo civic.

[1996ek1]

Regarding turbo pickup; no not yet.
And ill be purchasing the manifold from justjap, but i already let him know that.

Ill probably give him a ring tomorrow to organise a time, should i just ring his mobile?


The injectors were $200 total. Check seller evotuner on ebay us. That's whom i bought them from.




Thanks for that, ill check it out :thumbsup:

[RedVTi]

Regarding turbo pickup; no not yet.
And ill be purchasing the manifold from justjap, but i already let him know that.

Ill probably give him a ring tomorrow to organise a time, should i just ring his mobile?

Thanks for that, ill check it out :thumbsup:

Yep, just ring him. And he should be able to guide you with the setup if you need.

Good luck for your setup. Another turbo civic on its way!

[chockz]

1996EK1 ..becareful of Tim...
he goes abit cranky w/o coffee or reverse entry =)...

ask RedVTi..he knows best..

[1996ek1]

1996EK1 ..becareful of Tim...
he goes abit cranky w/o coffee or reverse entry =)...

ask RedVTi..he knows best..

Lol. Ill wait till about 12 when i pick up then, he should have had a few coffee by then?

Also cant pick it up today, will have to be in a few days :(

[RedVTi]

Lol. Ill wait till about 12 when i pick up then, he should have had a few coffee by then?

Also cant pick it up today, will have to be in a few days :(

Not a problem. The turbo is reserved for you.

[FEL12X]

bring him some ciggy will be a better idea..

soft pack..

[Limbo]

REDVTI - looking good as

I'm still on the way. ITs taking alot longer on mine also. I've got lots of pics along the way and hopefully will put up a post of the progress.

I've also learnt alot more along the way as to why things are done certain ways.

The budget has blown but i guess that's normal. I've tried to use all good quality parts so that hasn't been cheap.

[RedVTi]

REDVTI - looking good as

I'm still on the way. ITs taking alot longer on mine also. I've got lots of pics along the way and hopefully will put up a post of the progress.

I've also learnt alot more along the way as to why things are done certain ways.

The budget has blown but i guess that's normal. I've tried to use all good quality parts so that hasn't been cheap.

The turbo route isn't easy but that's mainly because there is a lack of local knowledge available to us hence we have to do it the hard way. It shouldn't be kept so secretive. I hope your build turns out good. Please post your build so we can learn as well.

Budget is there for us to blow but we have to understand the reasons as to why they have occurred.

I am happy to share the info with you. I must say it is fortunate that I have met the right people at the right time. My field is actually in finance & accounting therefore without the right people to help with this budget civic build, the project will probably need to defer for a long time.

Now if the car goes well I would like to use it on the track for some fun. I have already passed the OLT test for the CAMS licence but I don't think I will go into competition. It will require another $25K injection to make the car competitive. I prefer to use it on something else which makes more money. Right now I am just want a race seat, a set of second hand coil overs, decent brakes pads, semi slick tyres and sway bars, may be add a 2bar map sensor and the civic should serve the purpose after that... to have fun on the track.

Here is my OLT test results ( I used my S13 to do the test )

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01237cc.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01234bc.jpg

[Limbo]

yeah, my problem are minor ones but its taking longer than i expected. I'll do a write-up when i'm done and post it up. Hoping to track mine also.
P.S if you need a set of front slicks for a drag run, i have a cheap set.
Do some type of trade with you for your cup holders?

[tekung89]

the car up and running yet mate? =)

[RedVTi]

Happy New Year to everyone...

Had a break from this project and spent sometime attending the other car.

The story of this civic is that the first boost already killed the flywheel and clutch which were probably not in good condition in the first place.

Now waiting for a detail analysis so we can determine what need to be upgraded.

[1996ek1]

Lol i was wondering what happened with your car

bad luck on that one, i think im going to have the same problem =\

hope it goes good after that :thumbsup:

[Lukezen27]

Happy New Year to everyone...

Had a break from this project and spent sometime attending the other car.

The story of this civic is that the first boost already killed the flywheel and clutch which were probably not in good condition in the first place.

Now waiting for a detail analysis so we can determine what need to be upgraded.

Ouch dude..

Sorry to hear that :(

Were you running a stock clutch & flywheel?

[1996ek1]

More then likely he was if its gone after 1 run lol.


You still have your stock clutch luke ?

[Lukezen27]

More then likely he was if its gone after 1 run lol.


You still have your stock clutch luke ?

Hell No..

I don't even run stock clutch & flywheel on NA let alone boost...

Fist thing I upgrade when I buy a new car lol

[tekung89]

lol man u have the worst luck for some reason. i turbod my civic in 1 week and everything was fine up until now

[1996ek1]

Whats happened to yours tekung?

[Lukezen27]

lol man u have the worst luck for some reason. i turbod my civic in 1 week and everything was fine up until now

He dose :thumbdwn:

I turbod my Civic in 7 hours :p

What's wrong with yours?

[1996ek1]

nothing, unfortunatley i dont have ALL the parts for the turbo yet
Almost there!!!!

[Lukezen27]

nothing, unfortunatley i dont have ALL the parts for the turbo yet
Almost there!!!!

lol

How can you stand the wait?

I can never wait for anything :p

RedVTi must be going insane by now lol

[1996ek1]

Yea, im dyeing to get it over with.
I WANNA FEEL THE BOOST...

but i cant, lol
few $$ short; and waiting on some people

[Limbo]

i know i am

[RedVTi]

lol

How can you stand the wait?

I can never wait for anything :p

RedVTi must be going insane by now lol

Yeah...I was going loopy...christmas came and no new toy to play with. Not cool :(

Anyway, that's why I asked Tim to send the car off to get the gearbox fixed and in meantime work on my S13 to make it bulletproof :thumbsup: Heaps of upgrade have been done in the last 2 weeks.

I did ask my civic politely to be a good boy after we performed the major surgery. And it answered me with a finger. Luck...what's that?! It said " Show me the money now !!! ".

[Lukezen27]

Yeah...I was going loopy...christmas came and no new toy to play with. Not cool :(

Anyway, that's why I asked Tim to send the car off to get the gearbox fixed and in meantime work on my S13 to make it bulletproof :thumbsup: Heaps of upgrade have been done in the last 2 weeks.

I did ask my civic politely to be a good boy after we performed the major surgery. And it answered me with a finger. Luck...what's that?! It said " Show me the money now !!! ".

So did you even boost up your street a lest?

[RedVTi]

It's alive!!!

The map sensor issue issue is now sorted. The boost comes on strong and the turbo is running smoothly. Everything appears normal for now.

I waited 3 months for someone to be free so he can look at it. I guess it is worth the wait because the cost to sort the headache is only $150

Time to move forward....

[Limbo]

cool finally done also aye

[Lukezen27]

Well its about dam time...

How's she rip'n?

[FEL12X]

saw the car last night

its quick and smooth

but abit smokey tho *cough*

still need some tuning i think

[Weq]

saw the car last night

its quick and smooth

but abit smokey tho *cough*

still need some tuning i think

Thats the nature of the chinese turbos put together by child labour. They use a peice of wood and some stick tape to balance the wheels.

[paps02]

bro this looks good

[RedVTi]

Hi all,

It is alive and boosting.... though I think next things I need are raditors, coil overs and new clutch. Tim will need to install the gauges and SAFC so we can tune it for bigger power.

I don't know how much power it has now but it has no problem pulling away from V6s.

And my baby also scored a Sparco seat along the way. Don't knock the side mirrors. Yes, they are ricey and pretty much useless.

Stay tuned!

Enjoy the new pics. At least it is not sitting inside the garage this time. LOL.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/IMG_0198A.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/IMG_0204A.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/IMG_0196A.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/IMG_0197.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/IMG_0199a.jpg

The only thing left remaining from the crappy XS turbo kit is this manifold. Everything else has been ditched and replaced with better stuff. Even the dump pipe is custom made.


http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/IMG_0202.jpg

[Lukezen27]

Nice one bro :thumbsup:

Red Civics rock!!!
Looks hot apart from those mirrors :p Makes me wish I went with red seats and not black lol

So the eBay kit ended up being a bad chose hey!

At lest this thread shows the downfalls to anyone trying to save a bit of cash by buying cheap eBay kit.

What power is she making?

You'll love coilovers and a new clutch :thumbsup:

Are you doing any brake upgrades or leaving it stock?

Hey wheres your turbo inlet filter located as I can't see it in the photos?

LukeZen

[RedVTi]

Nice one bro :thumbsup:

Red Civics rock!!!
Looks hot apart from those mirrors :p Makes me wish I went with red seats and not black lol

So the eBay kit ended up being a bad chose hey!

At lest this thread shows the downfalls to anyone trying to save a bit of cash by buying cheap eBay kit.

What power is she making?

You'll love coilovers and a new clutch :thumbsup:

Are you doing any brake upgrades or leaving it stock?

Hey wheres your turbo inlet filter located as I can't see it in the photos?

LukeZen

Thanks mate.

Yes, don't ever buy any cheap ebay turbo kit. Save yourself from headache. At least buy a decent kit like the Greddy one.

[Limbo]

lol even i could have told you that one ;)
I think its more don't buy cheap made in china kits and no-brand turbos

[040501912]

how you... getting the cold air for your turbo intake =.= seems pretty tight eeeh...

oh btw just quick question how did you fix your map sensor? cheers..

[kraiye]

Hey wheres your turbo inlet filter located as I can't see it in the photos?

LukeZen

look at the turbo closer... u cant see it cause it's not there! lol

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/IMG_0202.jpg

[Lukezen27]

look at the turbo closer... u cant see it cause it's not there! lol



DOH

That's cheat'n lol

[RedVTi]

At this stage, I do not know what will work and what won't work until the exhaust is done and start driving it.

I am sure all of you have good advices:)

I bought the injectors and pump so it won't lean out and end up cost more to fix. They are not expensive items.

Here is the cost summary to date:

Imported EK with rego $6,300.00

XS T3/T4 Turbokit $1,150.00
Stainless Steel Oil line $90.00
Second intercooler $160.00
3" to 2.5" reducer 90degree $35.00
Apexi AFC Neo $420.00
550cc Injectors -saturated high impedance $200.00
255 LPG Fuel pump $80.00
Sard Fuel regulator $164.00
Cluster console for duel gauges $40.00
Boost gauge & oil temp gauges $80.00
Front strut bar $50.00
Front lower 4 points H bar $90.00
Total : $8,859.00

Custom Exhaust with Xforce items( may use a Varex muffler) TBA
Clutch, pressure plate ( ACT/Exedy) TBA
Flywheel TBA
Brake pads TBA

I need to keep track of the costs because i have two projects running at the same time.

Most importantly, the cost of this project + the car must stay below the cost of an imported EK Type R/VTi-R in order to prove that the statement in my signature is true. Fast EK is both affordable and fun. We have already got another working example but it has a custom turbo kit with expensive parts.

What should be the expected power after all the work is done? 120kw at the wheel? Become a mess and take months to sort out?

Stay tuned.........

Okay, I am going to redo the total spend.

XS T3/T4 Turbokit $1,150.00
Unused kits part sold individually -$850.00
Nissan R33 turbo (spare) $0.00
Stainless Steel Oil line $90.00
Second intercooler $160.00
3" to 2.5" reducer 90degree $35.00
Sard Fuel regulator $164.00
Front strut bar $50.00
Turboback stainless steel exhaust $850.00
Map sensor fix $150.00
Sparco sear with rails $300.00


Total : $2,099


I have spent $2,099 excluding Tim's labour cost to have this civic reaching this level. It is not the running at it is full potential but at least it is boosting smoothly and does not have bad idling. It is like a factory turbo car and it is definitely faster than a Vti-R in straight line. Now I need to install the below parts to reach the next level.

Items not used:

Apexi AFC Neo $420.00 Not yet nstalled
255 LPG Fuel pump $80.00 Not yet installed
Cluster console for duel gauges $40.00 Not yet installed
Boost gauge & oil temp gauges $80.00 Not yet installed
Front lower 4 points H bar $90.00 Not yet installed
Clutch TBA
Radiator TBA
Coilover TBA

550cc Injectors -saturated high impedance $200.00 Now Sold

[EKCivic96]

so not using an ECU at all??

very nice work

[RedVTi]

so not using an ECU at all??

very nice work

Factory ECU.. occasional engine light comes on under hard boost.

Everything looks factory inside still.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/IMG_0200.jpg


Thanks

[Lukezen27]

Factory ECU.. occasional engine light comes on under hard boost.

Everything looks factory inside still.




Thanks

Never new you could run boost with the stock ECU at all lol

[Limbo]

looks like he got around it with the Map sensor Fix.
It tricks the ECU so i thinks its not reading boost.
Not the best option for turbos as you could get alot of detonation.
I'd recommend an ecu

[RedVTi]

looks like he got around it with the Map sensor Fix.
It tricks the ECU so i thinks its not reading boost.
Not the best option for turbos as you could get alot of detonation.
I'd recommend an ecu

What ECU do you recommend? Do you think I can get by using the Apexi Neo-AFC since the civic is using stock injectors and pump?

The engine light still comes on under hard boost and I need to switch off the ignition and restart in order to reset it. Otherwise, the ECU will stay in limp mode after the light comes on.

Can someone please advise which method will fix this?

1. Use a check value
2. Purchase a 3 bar map sensor
3. Use Apexi Neo-AFC or other ECU

[Lukezen27]

What ECU do you recommend? Do you think I can get by using the Apexi Neo-AFC since the civic is using stock injectors and pump?

The engine light still comes on under hard boost and I need to switch off the ignition and restart in order to reset it. Otherwise, the ECU will stay in limp mode after the light comes on.

Can someone please advise which method will fix this?

1. Use a check value
2. Purchase a 3 bar map sensor
3. Use Apexi Neo-AFC or other ECU


1. Use a check value (foind out what the check light is) http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67113
2. Purchase a 3 bar map sensor (what would this help? are you running more than 11PSI?)
3. Use Apexi Neo-AFC or other ECU (Why both when you can get a aftermarket ECU for just a bit more)

[Aza]

when i first bought my civic it was previously turboed running on the factory ecu. it didnt last very long and defantly didnt perform, by the end it couldnt hold the boost without alot of jerking, warning lights, ect.... that setup also lead in blowing up the turbo and ****ing the engine. mind u on that set up there were a few other things that needed to be fixed. to fix the setup in that car i basictly ****ed off everything and started again.

my second setup i ran a hondata s100 and it made 108kw's on around 5 psi.... that was using an rb20 turbo.

if i were u i would do the ecu now before u do damage to ur parts

[RedVTi]

when i first bought my civic it was previously turboed running on the factory ecu. it didnt last very long and defantly didnt perform, by the end it couldnt hold the boost without alot of jerking, warning lights, ect.... that setup also lead in blowing up the turbo and ****ing the engine. mind u on that set up there were a few other things that needed to be fixed. to fix the setup in that car i basictly ****ed off everything and started again.

my second setup i ran a hondata s100 and it made 108kw's on around 5 psi.... that was using an rb20 turbo.

if i were u i would do the ecu now before u do damage to ur parts

Thanks

Did you have fun with the Civic? Or prefer your Evo :p

I don't know how close i am to having a functional turbo Civic? Any idea?

[Aza]

On a budget build u can never really know how reliable it will be. BUT the first step to making it reliable and drive how it should would be a safe tune.

and..... EVO!!!! Civic was fun cuase of torque steer and loosing traction but i still much prefer the evo

[RedVTi]

On a budget build u can never really know how reliable it will be. BUT the first step to making it reliable and drive how it should would be a safe tune.

and..... EVO!!!! Civic was fun cuase of torque steer and loosing traction but i still much prefer the evo

Cool. I like Evo, especially your version. Much lighter than later series.

On your civic, did you break anything else besides the engine. For example, did the driveshafts and gearbox hold up? How about the chasis front?

[Aza]

when i re did the engine i had to replace an engine mount and both cv's. but that was more fatigue in the car then anything to do with the engine. But as far as damaging goes. the turbo had completely seized from it which put oil all through the intercooler piped into the front mount, so i ditched that front mount. blow off valve was the same oil all through it. Also rendered the pod useless when the oil going into the turbo ****ed the seals and went all sprayed all over the intake. It was abit of a mess. Like i said thats why i re did it all :)

[RedVTi]

when i re did the engine i had to replace an engine mount and both cv's. but that was more fatigue in the car then anything to do with the engine. But as far as damaging goes. the turbo had completely seized from it which put oil all through the intercooler piped into the front mount, so i ditched that front mount. blow off valve was the same oil all through it. Also rendered the pod useless when the oil going into the turbo ****ed the seals and went all sprayed all over the intake. It was abit of a mess. Like i said thats why i re did it all :)

Yeah, that's sounds a mess but at least you fixed it all.

But i really want know is that if anything else fail due to extra stress and constant abuse from the turbo.

What clutch did you use?

[Aza]

I used an excedy sports tuff clutch. clutch and drive shafts would be the ones to watch for, ur not putting out massive power so it shouldnt be too much of a problem

[Lukezen27]

I used an excedy sports tuff clutch. clutch and drive shafts would be the ones to watch for, ur not putting out massive power so it shouldnt be too much of a problem

What power would f**k the drive shafts?

I'm running an Extreme clutch rated to 250kw so that's no problems :)


Yeah, that's sounds a mess but at least you fixed it all.

But i really want know is that if anything else fail due to extra stress and constant abuse from the turbo.

What clutch did you use?


What power are you making?

[Aza]

also depends how harsh ur power delivery is how much stress it will put on the drivetrain

but from what i can gather off other people around 200kw's it can start to be a problem, so u shouldnt have anything to worry about.

[RedVTi]

Here are the final pictures for this civic projects.

Parts and the car will appear to the " Parts for sale" and "Car for sale" section shortly.



http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/IMG_0234.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/IMG_0231.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/IMG_0239.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/IMG_0233.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/IMG_0229.jpg

[Lukezen27]

All that just to sell it bah

Strange

[Aza]

always happens :D

what is ur reasons, not a bad setup

[kraiye]

red + black + BC2 + FMIC = SEX

[RedVTi]

always happens :D

what is ur reasons, not a bad setup

Still looking for a good reason.

Let's just say the car deserves better attention than what I am willing to give.
There is something else raising my heart beat more than boost.

I have only driven less than 2000km since I owned it. It still have plenty of potential.

:wave::wave::wave::wave::wave:

[spuderump]

how much KWs does it give with the turbo kit installed?

[Bludger]

Just want to show you the items which i have included in my cost summary. They are not installed yet. Will do it the same time when I installed the other sponsored items.

Front strut brace and lower 4 points bar

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/redvti/DSC01165.jpg


that 4 point brace is total rubbish.

I installed one on my dc2r.
Low and behold, one day i look under the car to find that it was totally snapped in half. I couldn't even remember hitting anything.
You yourself can confirm that it is vrey cheap looking, light and flimsy.

just my 2cents
thanks

[hisoka]

is it a copy of the cusco one bludger ??

btw nice thread guy~you are pretty good with the tools and mechnical buisness

[Bludger]

is it a copy of the cusco one bludger ??

btw nice thread guy~you are pretty good with the tools and mechnical buisnessI can weld a better one myself

[rosso]

You can run factory ECU with Stock Injectors, Stock Fuel Pump if you have an FMU (Fuel Management Unit) installed you'll be fine :)