B18C all motor

[HONDAA]

hello im planning to rebuild my motor soon. i have paid for all my parts just waiting on my car to run out off rego tell i rebuild it. just seeing what would my power out put be at a close guess.
My parts i got abit more parts here and there. i will all so port and polish the head and balance the bottom end when i rebuild the motor

Brian Crower Stage 3 N/A spec cams
Brain Crower Dual Spring And Titanium Retainers
Brain Crower Pro Series Billet Conrods
Arias 12.7 High Comp Pistons
ARP Bolts
Skunk2 Pro-Series Intake Manifold
Skunk2 Fuel Rail
Skunk2 70mm Pro-SeriesThrottle Body
Skunk2 Hi-Comp 1mm Over Sized Forged Valves
Buddy Club Racing Spec Exhaust Manifold
Buddy Club Spec 3 Exhaust
Buddy Club Racing Spec Condenser
Haltech E8 Series ECU
Bosch 440cc Fuel Injectors

[jdmTYPE R]

that sounds nice man

[Benson]

Who is rebuilding the motor?

[todaek9]

No offence, but if you're just gonna put in this parts, and expect alot from it...tell you what, may be there'll be lil dissapointment at the end of the day...not to say the parts aren't goods...I think you better seek Honda experts advice but not Internet source info...you need alot more parts than this...good luck..


hello im planning to rebuild my motor soon. i have paid for all my parts just waiting on my car to run out off rego tell i rebuild it. just seeing what would my power out put be at a close guess.
My parts i got abit more parts here and there. i will all so port and polish the head and balance the bottom end when i rebuild the motor

Brian Crower Stage 3 N/A spec cams
Brain Crower Dual Spring And Titanium Retainers
Brain Crower Pro Series Billet Conrods
Arias 12.7 High Comp Pistons
ARP Bolts
Skunk2 Pro-Series Intake Manifold
Skunk2 Fuel Rail
Skunk2 70mm Pro-SeriesThrottle Body
Skunk2 Hi-Comp 1mm Over Sized Forged Valves
Buddy Club Racing Spec Exhaust Manifold
Buddy Club Spec 3 Exhaust
Buddy Club Racing Spec Condenser
Haltech E8 Series ECU
Bosch 440cc Fuel Injectors

[ginganggooly]

I've never seen brian crower cams in action, but the fundamentals look good IMO. There are a few other b18's with similar lists making upwards of 135kw atw...

[fatboyz39]

Big setup....Hope it goes well.

[BlitZ]

the part list looks good..
just make sure the builder gets all the cleareneces and machining done well, running good quality and consistent compression, machines clean valve seats etc etc

u can have a motor build completely from the parts list in a toda catalogue and make no power...

[hondavti25]

how much did all that set you back mate? good stuff though:)

[grumpy rooster]

~ $8k by my calcs depending on who you know and the prices you can get.

[Benson]

should get a hondata to make life easier

[grumpy rooster]

Why? The Haltech is a good unit.

[barefootbonzai]

Why? The Haltech is a good unit.

Does haltech require wiring?

[grumpy rooster]

Yes it does. But that doesn't mean its not a good unit. The advantage is that there are many many more recognised Haltech tuners than the 2 or 3 Hondata tuners so he can go to whoever he wants to tune it.

Yes it is easier if this is not a conversion to just slap a Hondata on it from a wiring point of view. :)

[Hipowerracing]

Why? The Haltech is a good unit.

Agreed:thumbsup:

[barefootbonzai]

Yes it does. But that doesn't mean its not a good unit. The advantage is that there are many many more recognised Haltech tuners than the 2 or 3 Hondata tuners so he can go to whoever he wants to tune it.


Did anyone say it's not a good unit?

Plus S300 and Kpro unit can be tuned any experineced tuner with a laptop anyways.



Yes it is easier if this is not a conversion to just slap a Hondata on it from a wiring point of view. :)

That's how life would be easier as stated earlier by benson.

[Benson]

Hondata S300, No wiring mess, Plug and play tune via laptop.

Save yourself $200-$400 in wiring cost

[todaek9]

other than the wiring mess, what other advantage can the Hondata S300 provide?

[EGB16A]

Have you thought about putting quad throttle bodies on your car, I think considering what your doing to your car you should look at quads !!

[Malenic1981]

I don't have any experience with building motors but wouldn't it be better to stick to one brand with all the parts, for example get everything in TODA or JUN or what ever is out there

[grumpy rooster]

Have you thought about putting quad throttle bodies on your car, I think considering what your doing to your car you should look at quads !!

I can sort you out with these if you go that path. :)

[fatboyz39]

Have you thought about putting quad throttle bodies on your car, I think considering what your doing to your car you should look at quads !!

explain why quads are better ?

[EG5]

explain why quads are better ?

we did a comparison already between Single big TB vs quads
it ran the same MPH down the 1/4 mile :thumbsup:

[TODA AU]

we did a comparison already between Single big TB vs quads
it ran the same MPH down the 1/4 mile :thumbsup:
Hmmm, ok…
One problem though; your comparison was flawed.
Had the quads not been exposed to oncoming buffeting airflow courtesy of someone bashing the hood down to expose them to oncoming air rather than fabricating at least a closed divergent tray, you would have seen a more MPH using the quads as they clearly produced more power.
Your MPH was only down due to irregular cylinder filling because of this buffeting,
The same problem occurs with carburetors.

[grumpy rooster]

Not to mention the difference in throttle response.

[Benson]

Yes it is easier if this is not a conversion to just slap a Hondata on it from a wiring point of view. :)

Hondata are a good unit. Crome is becoming popular as well. As for wiring, yes its an great advantage over the haltech, just plug and play. More user friendly for an average people like me:p

[DNYALL]

Would like to know the numbers u put down once its all finished, trying to make my mind up in wat 'all motor' direction i want to go in at the moment...

[mrfsport]

Hondata are a good unit. Crome is becoming popular as well. As for wiring, yes its an great advantage over the haltech, just plug and play. More user friendly for an average people like me:p

I don't think crome is as good as hondata just yet.
Also regarding dyno dave, is he no longer an authourised hondata distributor because he is not on the list anymore, maybe you can answer benson

[fatboyz39]

I don't think crome is as good as hondata just yet.
Also regarding dyno dave, is he no longer an authourised hondata distributor because he is not on the list anymore, maybe you can answer benson

Doesn't mean he can't tune them....IMO crome is just as good as hondata s100.

[dsp26]

IMO crome is just as good as hondata s100.

if you could explain why that would be great:thumbsup: im at the crossroad atm. that whole debate about hondata a few weeks back put me off hardcore

[fatboyz39]

if you could explain why that would be great:thumbsup: im at the crossroad atm. that whole debate about hondata a few weeks back put me off hardcore

Ermmm im no tuner LOL...but we've used crome for the last 3-5 tunes with different setups and there fine. There just as good if not better then hondata s100. The beauty of it its for free save yourself the $285 bux for tuning..:thumbsup:

[mrfsport]

Doesn't mean he can't tune them....IMO crome is just as good as hondata s100.

I didn't say he can't tune hondata, i know he can, what i was asking was why is he not an authourised seller of hondata anymore.

Maybe dave can come on and explain, is it that he doesn't think highly of the product any more or he thinks crome is a better software package

[mrfsport]

any news on crome pro

[dsp26]

Ermmm im no tuner LOL...but we've used crome for the last 3-5 tunes with different setups and there fine. There just as good if not better then hondata s100. The beauty of it its for free save yourself the $285 bux for tuning..:thumbsup:

so you road tune? and data log via laptop? do you also use an external wideband o2 sensor?

and if you could just clarify the process:
- Datalog ecu
- Make adjustments to datalog via crome
- burn to chip and install into ecu
- repeat process till OK?

***EDIT***
also a quick question about road tuning, you obviously don't tune at 4th gear right?

[fatboyz39]

I didn't say he can't tune hondata, i know he can, what i was asking was why is he not an authourised seller of hondata anymore.

Maybe dave can come on and explain, is it that he doesn't think highly of the product any more or he thinks crome is a better software package

No just that crome is free and people these days are tightarse to spend. Go read up honda-tech.com and see what the yanks thinks of crome vs hondata.

[fatboyz39]

so you road tune? and data log via laptop? do you also use an external wideband o2 sensor?

and if you could just clarify the process:
- Datalog ecu
- Make adjustments to datalog via crome
- burn to chip and install into ecu
- repeat process till OK?

***EDIT***
also a quick question about road tuning, you obviously don't tune at 4th gear right?


Both road tune and dyno tune. For road tune datalog via laptop. Hook up o2 wideband to exhaust, best spot is the stock o2 sensor location.

You pretty much sum it up. Except for the part where repeat process till ok, just burn it once when you are happy with the map.

[fatboyz39]

any news on crome pro

im no pro. We are just users of crome.

[IEVAQ8]

personally, i think haltech and hondata are both excellent ecu's, although mentioned earlier that haltech can be tuned by many and hondata only tuned by few............
i would go the hondata, as not many people who can tune haltech can tune a honda, and a honda with haltech is very different to any other car with haltech, thats y hondata is only for honda, and only limited hondata tuners can tune, coz they know how to tune a honda, thats my argument...........but then again its ur money and ur car.

[VT18EC]

hello im planning to rebuild my motor soon. i have paid for all my parts just waiting on my car to run out off rego tell i rebuild it. just seeing what would my power out put be at a close guess.
My parts i got abit more parts here and there. i will all so port and polish the head and balance the bottom end when i rebuild the motor

Brian Crower Stage 3 N/A spec cams
Brain Crower Dual Spring And Titanium Retainers
Brain Crower Pro Series Billet Conrods
Arias 12.7 High Comp Pistons
ARP Bolts
Skunk2 Pro-Series Intake Manifold
Skunk2 Fuel Rail
Skunk2 70mm Pro-SeriesThrottle Body
Skunk2 Hi-Comp 1mm Over Sized Forged Valves
Buddy Club Racing Spec Exhaust Manifold
Buddy Club Spec 3 Exhaust
Buddy Club Racing Spec Condenser
Haltech E8 Series ECU
Bosch 440cc Fuel Injectors


I just had my engine rebuild with a massive list of parts and dont quote me on this but i thought stage 3 cams arnt road legal coz of its rough and lumpy idol it gives to the engine,i wanted stage 3 cams too but me tuner/builder recons its illegal in N.S.W so i had to settle for spoon stage 2 cams.....anyone know if thats true ???

[grumpy rooster]

To make the engine legal in the strict sense it needs to be emissions tested. Large cams make tuning for legal emissions a much more difficult proposition. Thats not to say it can't be done, but it is much more difficult and really depends on the combination and ecu and and tuner.

So, the parts themselves aren't illegal, its what they do to the emissions.

[VT18EC]

To make the engine legal in the strict sense it needs to be emissions tested. Large cams make tuning for legal emissions a much more difficult proposition. Thats not to say it can't be done, but it is much more difficult and really depends on the combination and ecu and and tuner.

So, the parts themselves aren't illegal, its what they do to the emissions.

oh ok.....Thanks for the knowlege booster grumpy rooster :D:thumbsup:

[i-jrdm]

nice man, im lookin to build my b18c to be a all motor monstor too.. what figures would u get with those setups. im doing similar at the moment. all the best

[TODA AU]

so i had to settle for spoon stage 2 cams.....anyone know if thats true ???

Mate, you aught to know.
There is no such thing as a Spoon Stage 2 camshaft.
Spoon only sell one profile to suit your car.
Intake - PN: 14111-16B-G00
Exhaust - PN: 14121-16B-G00

[delsol9000rpms]

Mate, you aught to know.
There is no such thing as a Spoon Stage 2 camshaft.
Spoon only sell one profile to suit your car.
Intake - PN: 14111-16B-G00
Exhaust - PN: 14121-16B-G00

x2 adrian... there is only one type of spoon set and they under the name Spoon sports camshafts... there is no stage 2...

[VT18EC]

Mate, you aught to know.
There is no such thing as a Spoon Stage 2 camshaft.
Spoon only sell one profile to suit your car.
Intake - PN: 14111-16B-G00
Exhaust - PN: 14121-16B-G00


x2 adrian... there is only one type of spoon set and they under the name Spoon sports camshafts... there is no stage 2...


Really,man i must of gottin ripped off then.....my tuner says there stage2 or he mite me just be pulling my leg to get bussiness and the thing is theyre makin my car idol at around 750,what a stage 2 cam would usually do??? im confused :confused:

[barefootbonzai]

Really,man i must of gottin ripped off then.....my tuner says there stage2 or he mite me just be pulling my leg to get bussiness and the thing is theyre makin my car idol at around 750,what a stage 2 cam would usually do??? im confused :confused:

Sounds like you should have done a lot more research before just giving your car over to some random mechanic that you don't really know.

The mechanic sounds like a total tool for even recommending using spoon cams to begin with if you're chasing big power figures. Lucky he found some spoon "stage 2" cams...

[VT18EC]

Sounds like you should have done a lot more research before just giving your car over to some random mechanic that you don't really know.

The mechanic sounds like a total tool for even recommending using spoon cams to begin with if you're chasing big power figures. Lucky he found some spoon "stage 2" cams...

sarcasm isnt really need for ...driving a VK commodore to a honda is kinda of a big step for me (would you agree?)and learning about honda is a process thing,not a simple automatic knowledge upgrade to my brain when i buy a honda! right!? everyone goes through it.....finding a mechanic/tuner is a new big play ground for me.The only research ive done is from watching Best motoring dvds with keiichi Tsuchiya who built and tuned a vti-r engine with spoon products and pushed out power to what im aiming for,and by reading from magazines that spoon is one of the main leading brand for hondas upgrades.so i thought spoons the go then.until i joined this website recently,everyone knows theyre shit here,i should of gottin a place who is more oriented with hondas like Toda.......lesson learnt.

[VT33EC]

Part of building up cars, you learn from your mistakes and you get better by them,but damn making a mistake on building honda engines is expensive.lol.

[barefootbonzai]

sarcasm isnt really need for ...driving a VK commodore to a honda is kinda of a big step for me (would you agree?)and learning about honda is a process thing,not a simple automatic knowledge upgrade to my brain when i buy a honda! right!? everyone goes through it.....finding a mechanic/tuner is a new big play ground for me.The only research ive done is from watching Best motoring dvds with keiichi Tsuchiya who built and tuned a vti-r engine with spoon products and pushed out power to what im aiming for,and by reading from magazines that spoon is one of the main leading brand for hondas upgrades.so i thought spoons the go then.until i joined this website recently,everyone knows theyre shit here,i should of gottin a place who is more oriented with hondas like Toda.......lesson learnt.

Yeah all good man. At least you're doing something instead of like most the guys on this forum who are all talk. I must commend you on having the balls jumping onto such a crazy project so quick.

[VT18EC]

Yeah all good man. At least you're doing something instead of like most the guys on this forum who are all talk. I must commend you on having the balls jumping onto such a crazy project so quick.

yeah it kinda gets addictive,the d15 engine wasnt good enuff,had shit all go and the B18c conversion we did was good had the power and torque but i just needed more after a while,so i thought why not beef it up,turboes dont phase me so allmotor was the go lol.