GReddy Kit + D16Y1 SOHC VTec E-manage Untuned = 97.5WKW Not Bad!!

[Lukezen27]

Hey Guys

Just got back from getting my car Dynoed by Adrian at TODA.

I got 97.5KW at the wheels on a very hot day plus Adrian said my tyres were too flat lol and would have gotten more than 100KW.. Well maybe


Bare in mind this is with E-manage pre-tuned to USA petrol that came with the GReddy kit and very very safe tune at that.

PSI = 5 with a bit of a spike round 6
AFR = 11 to 11.2ish

So one day to install and boost that night nothing ells needed.

NOW THAT’S GOOD VALUE

My goal is 130KW and now that seems doable IMO

Cheers Guys

LukeZen

[Mr_will]

how come you got it dyno'd untuned?

[Lukezen27]

how come you got it dyno'd untuned?

Just to make sure its safe to keep boosting :thumbsup:

Remember its tuned by GReddy at a safe base line.

[aimre]

more than a b16 gets. Less money too

[Lukezen27]

more than a b16 gets. Less money too

That's a bit below a stock ITR :p

[SLOWEGG]

How much did you end up paying for it all?

[Lukezen27]

How much did you end up paying for it all?

GReddy Kit
$2080

FMIC
$150

FMIC Pipping
$190

Install
$600

Total
$3020

Plus this kit is very well built and I doubt I'll have to replace anything for years :thumbsup:

[RedVTi]

GReddy Kit
$2080

FMIC
$150

FMIC Pipping
$190

Install
$600

Total
$3020

Plus this kit is very well built and I doubt I'll have to replace anything for years :thumbsup:

Well done mate. I cannot wait until i finish my turbo d build as well.

Are you still using stock exhaust?

Show us some pics!

[Lukezen27]

Well done mate. I cannot wait until i finish my turbo d build as well.

Are you still using stock exhaust?

Show us some pics!

My bother broke his dam camera while we were hit'n the slid boxes down the snow this year :thumbdwn:

He's face pant was hella funny though lol

You look close man, how long ya got to go?

[tekung89]

im using stock exhaust :( feels restricted, but not for long. 100kw feels damn fast ay :D

[Lukezen27]

im using stock exhaust :( feels restricted, but not for long. 100kw feels damn fast ay :D

feels wicked but 120 should feel even better.

I'm running 2" seems fine

[Limbo]

mate you should increase to 2 1/4" at least or 2 1/2" i'm sure you'll gain a few more kws. ALso now that you fixed the cooling prob you might find you geta few more kw also.

I'm gonna get 2 1/2 when i'm done

[dzyn3]

i also 2nd 2.5inch.

[Lukezen27]

mate you should increase to 2 1/4" at least or 2 1/2" i'm sure you'll gain a few more kws. ALso now that you fixed the cooling prob you might find you geta few more kw also.

I'm gonna get 2 1/2 when i'm done

I'm sure I'll hit 120KW with 2" just fine :)

Plus I only just passed EPA sound test with my 2" so I'm keeping it as is..

[destrukshn]

hms..
still.
lol.
2.5inch.
i will be going 3 inch soon, if you want my 2.5 inch system.
lol.

[d15z1SUX]

do u think it will work with a d15z1 vtec-e? :|

[Lukezen27]

hms..
still.
lol.
2.5inch.
i will be going 3 inch soon, if you want my 2.5 inch system.
lol.

I'm not look'n to make a power beast like you guys lol

What 2.5" system have you got and has it been sound tested?

[destrukshn]

I'm not look'n to make a power beast like you guys lol

What 2.5" system have you got and has it been sound tested?
you've already got bitten by the boost bug, your up for it now, sooner or later, you will chase for more power.
lol
right now, it's pretty quiet, but also dpeends on the muffler you use, btw it's aslo a 2.5inch mandrel bent.

[Lukezen27]

you've already got bitten by the boost bug, your up for it now, sooner or later, you will chase for more power.
lol
right now, it's pretty quiet, but also dpeends on the muffler you use, btw it's aslo a 2.5inch mandrel bent.

Yeah I must say I've gotten use to the extra power very quickly lol

[Lukezen27]

do u think it will work with a d15z1 vtec-e? :|

Yes!!!

why not though your starting with far less power...

[d15z1SUX]

Yes!!!

why not though your starting with far less power...

yeh been reading different forums and ppl are like its not worth modifying it... lol.

[Lukezen27]

yeh been reading different forums and ppl are like its not worth modifying it... lol.

Yeah cheaper to just buy a new civic

[SLOWEGG]

turbo + stock exhaust = no fun.

[Lukezen27]

turbo + stock exhaust = no fun.

lol

Who's got stock anyway?

[SLOWEGG]

2" is close enough to stock, way to small. You will still past EPA easy with a 2.5".

[Lukezen27]

2" is close enough to stock, way to small. You will still past EPA easy with a 2.5".

Hmm

I only just passed by 7Db last weekend

I'm all about being legal..

[Killa From Manila]

resonator + good choice of muffler and u will be fine. dont 4get turbos r quieter than NA

[Lukezen27]

resonator + good choice of muffler and u will be fine. dont 4get turbos r quieter than NA

Thanks but I'm also out of cash lol.

Don't you guys think I can hit 120KW with my current setup?

[wow_how]

where did u source the turbo kit from? just start to intersted in d turbo...

[Lukezen27]

where did u source the turbo kit from? just start to intersted in d turbo...

US eBay :thumbsup:

[d15z1SUX]

Yeah cheaper to just buy a new civic

i meant the d15z1 engine... lol.

[Limbo]

i think the car needs to breath more for you to hit 120kw without upping the boost much. If your really worried 2 reasonators and a good muffler on a 2 1/2 will still be quiet especially on a turbo.

[tekung89]

my car was so loud when it was na, never knew why but it was insanely loud. now that its turbo'd its pretty quiet. i have a 3'' ehxuast off some car that i can cut and weld at my own risk while my parents are not home lol but i heard it cannot fit under the engine bay =( is this true?

[Limbo]

nah 3" should fit, i have 4-1 headers and they are 1.5" each. Just depends on how low your car sits. Hop under and have a look

[Lukezen27]

Couper_Trooper
Who got 123KW at the wheels is running stock Exhaust!

so what do you make of that?

[Limbo]

how much boost was he running? I was getting at that you could have some untapped power without having to do much else to the car

[Lukezen27]

how much boost was he running? I was getting at that you could have some untapped power without having to do much else to the car

only 6psi I think

[Weq]

Good to see your finally boosted. Aimre knows his shit. Learnt from the master.

I ran 2.5" exhaust on my greddy setup. Hitting 140kw+...

[Lukezen27]

Good to see your finally boosted. Aimre knows his shit. Learnt from the master.

I ran 2.5" exhaust on my greddy setup. Hitting 140kw+...

lol yeah Weq

I've talking about it for so long but its finaly done :)

Aimre and one of his mates help me install the kit and she went on without a hitch :thumbsup:

I've got 2.5" lined up :p

140 would be nice but I'll be happy with my target of 120 :p

130 if I'm a lucky lol

[RedVTi]

Hey Guys

Just got back from getting my car Dynoed by Adrian at TODA.

I got 97.5KW at the wheels on a very hot day plus Adrian said my tyres were to flat lol and would have gotten more than 100KW.. Well maybe


Bare in mind this is with E-manage pre-tuned to USA petrol that came with the GReddy kit and very very safe tune at that.

PSI = 5 with a bit of a spike round 6
AFR = 11 to 11.2ish

So one day to install and boost that night nothing ells needed.

NOW THAT’S GOOD VALUE

My goal is 130KW and now that seems doable IMO

Cheers Guys

LukeZen

Hi again,

I am just wondering which Greddy turbokit did you purchase??

Does it come with injectors and emanagement plug-in-play?

If so, your set up should have 250hp once the kit has been installed as per its introduction. Right now you only have around 190-200hp( 135hp at the wheels)???

[Lukezen27]

Hi again,

I am just wondering which Greddy turbokit did you purchase??

Does it come with injectors and emanagement plug-in-play?

If so, your set up should have 250hp once the kit has been installed as per its introduction. Right now you only have around 190-200hp( 135hp at the wheels)???


Hey RedVTi

Nope I got the version without injectors and e-management isn't plug-in-play unless you pay heaps more for a plug-in-play Harnesses

I brought the budget version so I could upgrade the exact parts I wanted.

My version didn't come with the following and the upgrade cost was not worth it IMO straight for GReddy..


FMIC ($800+ extra as GReddy upgrade)
injectors (Not sure but there only 310cc extra as GReddy upgrade)
Plug & Play Harnesses ($250+ extra as GReddy upgrade)

I’ve got the done so far

FMIC ($190+150) = $340
injectors (Not as yet but will be getting RC 440cc)
Plug & Play Harnesses (Solders in)

Remember this is not a cheap kit that will brake and you get a good turbo with it, Mitsubishi (Grant)

Cheers bro

LukeZen

[RedVTi]

Hey RedVTi

Nope I got the version without injectors and e-management isn't plug-in-play unless you pay heaps more for a plug-in-play Harnesses

I brought the budget version so I could upgrade the exact parts I wanted.

My version didn't come with the following and the upgrade cost was not worth it IMO straight for GReddy..


FMIC ($800+ extra as GReddy upgrade)
injectors (Not sure but there only 310cc extra as GReddy upgrade)
Plug & Play Harnesses ($250+ extra as GReddy upgrade)

I’ve got the done so far

FMIC ($190+150) = $340
injectors (Not as yet but will be getting RC 440cc)
Plug & Play Harnesses (Solders in)

Remember this is not a cheap kit that will brake and you get a good turbo with it, Mitsubishi (Grant)

Cheers bro

LukeZen

Okay i understand, just want to make sure you getting the maximum benefit off the kit. Save the money for better parts later like me :)

[Limbo]

Hey luke if you need 440cc injectors let me know, i just got some from the states and a fuel pump

[RedVTi]

Hey luke if you need 440cc injectors let me know, i just got some from the states and a fuel pump

How much dude? I may need it for my setup:angel:

[Lukezen27]

Hey luke if you need 440cc injectors let me know, i just got some from the states and a fuel pump

Yeah I jsut need injectors and I'm done, well maybe a fuel pump


Okay i understand, just want to make sure you getting the maximum benefit off the kit. Save the money for better parts later like me :)
Thanks bro

Yeah I'll be getting mine for the US to $340 delivered if I remember correctly :thumbsup:

How much was the pump?

[fatboyz39]

nice nice.....keep it up.

[Lukezen27]

nice nice.....keep it up.

Thanks Jimmy

She's get'n there :)

[kazam]

subscribed. :)

[VTC-8OY]

no bad lukey.. but u can do better figures than that! hehe turbo d ftw!

[Lukezen27]

no bad lukey.. but u can do better figures than that! hehe turbo d ftw!

Thanks bro

lol yeah

Need bigger injectors :p

[Limbo]

got the pump for $80USD original walbro


Yeah I jsut need injectors and I'm done, well maybe a fuel pump


Thanks bro

Yeah I'll be getting mine for the US to $340 delivered if I remember correctly :thumbsup:

How much was the pump?

[kerim]

got the pump for $80USD original walbro

is that delivered or plus postage, got a link?

[kraiye]

^^^
ditto?

[Limbo]

i'll try and find the site i got it about a mth ago and put it inteh corner as i wasn't ready to install. I got it with injectors so didn't pay any shipping

[kraiye]

i got quoted $60 postage (seems pretty step to me) for this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250193802892&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123) walbro 255lph pump
ie: total of US$138, which is about AU$165~170

i dunno what they're worth in the first place though?

[Lukezen27]

i got quoted $60 postage (seems pretty step to me) for this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250193802892&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123) walbro 255lph pump
ie: total of US$138, which is about AU$165~170

i dunno what they're worth in the first place though?

Yeah they are 165 including shipping of EG5 lol

[Limbo]

i brought a set of 4 injectors, i think the postage came to $60 all up including the injectors which worked out well for me

[NightKids]

Are you running an intercooler with your setup Luke?

[Lukezen27]

Are you running an intercooler with your setup Luke?

Sure am :thumbsup:

[VTC-8OY]

post pics luke if u havent already ?

[Lukezen27]

post pics luke if u havent already ?

Hey bro

Sure thing
http://www.doubledynasystems.com/Car/boost%20bay.jpg

http://www.doubledynasystems.com/Car/fmic.jpg

Sorry about the pics there by my phone lol

Shes not really pink...

[YLDCRD]

nice look engine bay! did you have to recondition/rebuild engine before turbo setup? looks like you got new head or you just sprayed it?

[Lukezen27]

nice look engine bay! did you have to recondition/rebuild engine before turbo setup? looks like you got new head or you just sprayed it?

Yup I got the engine rebuild about 20.000k's ago but with stock internals..

That's just a red rocker cover I brought off here some time back and finally installed it last week :thumbsup:

[YLDCRD]

Did you get it rebuilt specifically for the turbo setup? or did your engine seize?
Im thinking about turboing my d16 but im not sure if i should rebuild it first or not. Its not on the lowest milage aswell...

[RedVTi]

Finally get to see your engine bay. Nice one.

Looks neat and you still got the air-cond. Cool.

I think you can definitely squeeze more power out of your turbo kit.

I am still waiting for mine to finish...feels like eternity...

[Sexc86]

very tidy setup mate well done!

[VTi_b0i]

looks awsome luke... two things id change tho lolll 1. that air filter looks ghey and 2, would look nicer if u put mesh or something in the sides of the front bar

[VTC-8OY]

sweeeeet, narh that heat sheild looks choice man!

[Lukezen27]

Did you get it rebuilt specifically for the turbo setup? or did your engine seize?
Im thinking about turboing my d16 but im not sure if i should rebuild it first or not. Its not on the lowest milage aswell...

Nope I got it rebuilt coze the rings were gone and nothing to do with turbo but I'm sure the new rebuild will help :thumbsup:



Finally get to see your engine bay. Nice one.

Looks neat and you still got the air-cond. Cool.

I think you can definitely squeeze more power out of your turbo kit.

I am still waiting for mine to finish...feels like eternity...

Adria Said I should again 15kw after retune without touching the psi so I'm guessing if I also up the boost 120-130 should be reachable :)

I can't stand waiting for anything lol so i can imagine how you feel


very tidy setup mate well done!

Thanks bro


looks awsome luke... two things id change tho lolll 1. that air filter looks ghey and 2, would look nicer if u put mesh or something in the sides of the front bar


I quite like the air filter lol

I did have mesh across all three opening but I got the bumper fixed and the guy loss/left it off :(


sweeeeet, narh that heat sheild looks choice man!

I think so to... heheh

[Samo]

Did you get it rebuilt specifically for the turbo setup? or did your engine seize?
Im thinking about turboing my d16 but im not sure if i should rebuild it first or not. Its not on the lowest milage aswell...

u should buy the D16y1 w/ greddy turbo kit of OB on the forum here..
$2500 motor and turbo kit and emangei think it was .. fvcken steal

and u'll have a spare motor :thumbsup:

btw looking good luke .. i see u finally got the rocker cover on :)

[Lukezen27]

u should buy the D16y1 w/ greddy turbo kit of OB on the forum here..
$2500 motor and turbo kit and emangei think it was .. fvcken steal

and u'll have a spare motor :thumbsup:

btw looking good luke .. i see u finally got the rocker cover on :)

Yeah bro got it on last week after having it for so long lol

To bad OB was not selling the kit at the time I got mine :o would have been a good buy..

[YLDCRD]

u should buy the D16y1 w/ greddy turbo kit of OB on the forum here..
$2500 motor and turbo kit and emangei think it was .. fvcken steal

and u'll have a spare motor :thumbsup:

btw looking good luke .. i see u finally got the rocker cover on :)

Yeh id love too, but my engine is in perfect condition ... and i heard his gearbox is crunching... But im still considering it as it will be perfect for a spare

When are you getting it tuned mate? let us know how it goes!

[Samo]

for dat price, who cares if the box is crunching.... it cheaper than a turbo kit

its all just bolt 100% for eg no more to pay ..

and the motor in the package has been rebuilt abt 20,000km ago i think ... and its got the reciept for it

it ends up cheaper than crappy ebay turbo kits and minus the hassles

should read red vti's thread on ebay turbo kit in a ek

what i suggest is use his motor and wind the boost up :D
and have fun with it .. who cares if it blow lol

[Lukezen27]

for dat price, who cares if the box is crunching.... it cheaper than a turbo kit

its all just bolt 100% for eg no more to pay ..

and the motor in the package has been rebuilt abt 20,000km ago i think ... and its got the reciept for it

it ends up cheaper than crappy ebay turbo kits and minus the hassles

should read red vti's thread on ebay turbo kit in a ek

what i suggest is use his motor and wind the boost up :D
and have fun with it .. who cares if it blow lol

If I had the spare cash I'd buy it in a hart beat but I'm broke now after all my moding lol

Great deal though... shame

[Samo]

if i had a stock engine ill snap it up with a big smile :D

[NightKids]

How did you know your rings was gone Luke? And how much was it to get your engine rebuilt? The reason I ask is because I think I have the same problem...

[yourfather]

hey man, 7db is more than you think. for every 3db increase in sound - its twice as loud....

you have lots of space

[Lukezen27]

How did you know your rings was gone Luke? And how much was it to get your engine rebuilt? The reason I ask is because I think I have the same problem...

Burning heaps of oil and white smoke is a dead give away...

I got a compression test 170 a cross the board, way to low.. I'm about 200 pis now after ring's being replaced..

Rob @ Hannys hooked me up he dose all my work those its not always the best its the cheaps round :thumbsup:

$1200 for the rebuild..


hey man, 7db is more than you think. for every 3db increase in sound - its twice as loud....

you have lots of space


Yeah cool man

I'll be looking into bigger that's for sure as long as its legal in the end...

[Lukezen27]

Just a quick update

After a long day with Adrian at TODA due to unforeseen compliations I’m now at 116.5kw minus VTec :thumbsup: Plus new RC440C injectors

That's on 9 to 7 PSI as the 5 bound spring can't hold the boost to well lol

So as the power goes up the boost goes down making for real nice torque but not so good high end power...

I'll need a good boost controller as some point.

I'm quite happy with the results considering VTec's not working and I only have 2" press bent exhaust..

Adrian and I were able to trigger VTec manually so there must be something wrong somewhere but we run out of time to diagnose the problem and will have to go back for a final tune..

Cheers Guys

Luke

PS big thanks to Adrian for putting in the long hours :thumbsup:

[Killa From Manila]

wow pretty good number man
out of curiosity how big is the dump pipe on greddy kit. is it only 2 inch?

[Lukezen27]

wow pretty good number man
out of curiosity how big is the dump pipe on greddy kit. is it only 2 inch?

Yeah not bad

Yup 2" but the gas should still be hot enough at that point to not need anything bigger I think..

[1996ek1]

Wow, nice.
I was expecting around 120kW with 2.5" exhaust, around 7-8 psi, tuned on e-manage

[Lukezen27]

Wow, nice.
I was expecting around 120kW with 2.5" exhaust, around 7-8 psi, tuned on e-manage

lol
Yeah wounder how she'll got now with VTec and 2.5" :p

[1996ek1]

Are you getting a full 2.5", or 2" downpipe with 2.5" catback ?

[Lukezen27]

Are you getting a full 2.5", or 2" downpipe with 2.5" catback ?

Not to sure

I'll have to think about it

[1996ek1]

I say go full 2.5!

Althought shouldnt you have got it tuned after you get the exhaust done?

[Lukezen27]

I say go full 2.5!

Althought shouldnt you have got it tuned after you get the exhaust done?

Yeah you should..

Its my understanding that when the gas leaves the manifold hot it can go through smaller spaces thus you can go from say 2" to 2.5" as the gas cools down it expands...

Not sure how true this is but that's what heat wrap on heaters dose, keeps em hot to the gas moves faster...

Someone correct me if I'm wrong?

Luke

[aimre]

Yeah you should..

Its my understanding that when the gas leaves the manifold hot it can go through smaller spaces thus you can go from say 2" to 2.5" as the gas cools down it expands...

Not sure how true this is but that's what heat wrap on heaters dose, keeps em hot to the gas moves faster...

Someone correct me if I'm wrong?

Luke

Hot shit is usually more expanded

Thats why they tell u to keep deoderant outta the sun

[defect]

hey, nice build, i cant wait for mine.
i've got a 2.5" exhaust system, its piss quiet, not even loud on boost either.
ends with a cannon muffler.

However Im upgrading to 3", if your interested, let me know. I'll pull it out for you, you should feel gains straight away with a bigger exhaust system.

[Lukezen27]

Hot shit is usually more expanded

Thats why they tell u to keep deoderant outta the sun

Yeah but that's compressed already..

Header wrap list's the benefit of using the wrap is that the wrap keeps the header hot and increases gas flow..

Quote:
Header wraps are designed to keep the heat in the header to improve scavenging of the cylinders. Keeping the heat in the header allows the exhaust speed to remain high. (the right idea)

[Limbo]

it helps scavenging and it keeps the heat in the engine bay lower.

I've wrapped my dump pipe. That's also part of the issue why its not done yet

[grumpy rooster]

On a turbo setup, the bigger the exhaust and dump pipe the better. ie a 2.5-3" dump and exhaust would see you make some decent gains.

[Lukezen27]

On a turbo setup, the bigger the exhaust and dump pipe the better. ie a 2.5-3" dump and exhaust would see you make some decent gains.

Yeah I might have to do that..


It dose feel like I'm missing out on power somewhere lol

[Limbo]

hey dude i'll give you a ride in mine this sat if you want i'm gonna go see adrian to tune her up.
Just fired her up today and she purrs great. Can't tell it hasn't been tuned.
But it does have a turbo base map :)

I got all my exhuast done to 2.5"

[Lukezen27]

hey dude i'll give you a ride in mine this sat if you want i'm gonna go see adrian to tune her up.
Just fired her up today and she purrs great. Can't tell it hasn't been tuned.
But it does have a turbo base map :)

I got all my exhuast done to 2.5"

Sweet bro
Good to hear man :thumbsup:

I'm books for next week final tune 2nd

Let me know how she goes

What boost ECU are you running?

Its a big drive for me anyway lol

[Limbo]

running PFC.
Turned on AC & stuff also and it didn't miss a beat.
Might need to change the BOV spring through cos it seems abit off.
Since i plumbed back it had an extra spring but i think i'll go back to the original spring

[destrukshn]

hey dude i'll give you a ride in mine this sat if you want i'm gonna go see adrian to tune her up.
Just fired her up today and she purrs great. Can't tell it hasn't been tuned.
But it does have a turbo base map :)

I got all my exhuast done to 2.5"
i shall see you there
lol.

[Lukezen27]

i shall see you there
lol.

Dang its all on out at Adrian's lol

[Limbo]

Its booked in!
We'll see how much the little bugger gets.
I'll do a write-up of it when i'm done.
Performance Exhaust has done quite alot of work on it but there is a few more things i got to put on like
- Engine suspension
- new rotor cap & rotor
- new brace
- low temp therostat

[Lukezen27]

Its booked in!
We'll see how much the little bugger gets.
I'll do a write-up of it when i'm done.
Performance Exhaust has done quite alot of work on it but there is a few more things i got to put on like
- Engine suspension
- new rotor cap & rotor
- new brace
- low temp therostat

what power are you hoping for?

[Limbo]

as much as i can get cos i'm greedy HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
So long as the engine is safe

[Lukezen27]

as much as i can get cos i'm greedy HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
So long as the engine is safe

Well thats the safe limit on your motor?

[Limbo]

apparently 10PSI but i'll prob opt for going 9PSI just to be abit more safe

[destrukshn]

i've been running 10psi for at least 1 year, no problems
b18c2

[dudeling7]

how much power are you putting out destrukshn? and what turbo you using?

[destrukshn]

160kw atw. @10psi
a tiny t28bb.
but, gonna start rebuilding my motor soooon.
lol.

[Lukezen27]

160kw atw. @10psi
a tiny t28bb.
but, gonna start rebuilding my motor soooon.
lol.

Nice one destrukshn :thumbsup:

I'll be happy with 120 safe tune :p

[destrukshn]

120kw should be more than enough, in a lightwight chassis.
i put my foot down in 2nd, and it will spin, 3rd, sometimes will spin.

[gReY-oNe]

I'm sure I'll hit 120KW with 2" just fine :)

Plus I only just passed EPA sound test with my 2" so I'm keeping it as is..

No0o0o0o0 i have a 2''
did it cos i like cars quite as hell but...



worse mistake ever :(

its so restrictive that my exhaust acts as a boost controller ..
too much back pressure
max boost i can run with the 2'' is a tad under 7 psi

[Lukezen27]

No0o0o0o0 i have a 2''
did it cos i like cars quite as hell but...



worse mistake ever :(

its so restrictive that my exhaust acts as a boost controller ..
too much back pressure
max boost i can run with the 2'' is a tad under 7 psi

Maybe that's why my spring can't hold 9 psi?

I'm installing a turbo smart bleed valve this weekend and we will see lol

[gReY-oNe]

Maybe that's why my spring can't hold 9 psi?

I'm installing a turbo smart bleed valve this weekend and we will see lol

LMAO tell me how that goes :D
pretty interesting to know

cos i have a t piece thats unblocked
which is ment to be blocked but so far no boost spikes and stuff
cos i wanted to just run of the external gate spring also no boost controller just in case u get greedy LMAO

and my tuner and fabricator said it wont run anymore then 7psi cos of back pressure SAD!! :(

[Limbo]

get a new exhaust

[Lukezen27]

LMAO tell me how that goes :D
pretty interesting to know

cos i have a t piece thats unblocked
which is ment to be blocked but so far no boost spikes and stuff
cos i wanted to just run of the external gate spring also no boost controller just in case u get greedy LMAO

and my tuner and fabricator said it wont run anymore then 7psi cos of back pressure SAD!! :(

I'll let you know

I'm on 9pis now till about 6K RPM then 6 to 7 hits only 6psi

[Limbo]

i told you a long time ago dude to get the 2 1/2"
let me knowif you want a recommendation on a place.

Performance Exhaust did most of my conversion and exhaust system and its a beauty

[Benson]

Yes i can vouch for performance exhaust. They did our 2.5inch exhaust for a decent price. Happy with the quality.

[Lukezen27]

Yes i can vouch for performance exhaust. They did our 2.5inch exhaust for a decent price. Happy with the quality.

Mandrel or press bent?

Update

My car dose have VTec its just not accessible through e-manage lol

Still working fine via the standard ECU

As I assumed coze there's no way my car should make 116kw at 6 psi without the help of VTec?

Just used this little trick :thumbsup: thanks to bungsai (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/member.php?u=2392)
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54049&highlight=VTec

Luke

[Limbo]

you have to get mandrel, press is just crap
maybe a new ECU would be good also
cos with my car you can see a jump when vtec kicks in.
vtec + boost lots of fun!

[Lukezen27]

you have to get mandrel, press is just crap
maybe a new ECU would be good also
cos with my car you can see a jump when vtec kicks in.
vtec + boost lots of fun!

Na e-manage works just fine with my setup...

Yeah I'll be going mandrel if I can afford it lol

VTec on DOHC has far more impact than on the SOHC motors

[lukecivic]

good thread... :D
subscribed keep it up guys
my ej8 is goin turbo soon :D

[fatboyz39]

solid numbers....my mate used to own a turbo d16y8 made 130 kw atw. Wasn't to bad.

[Lukezen27]

solid numbers....my mate used to own a turbo d16y8 made 130 kw atw. Wasn't to bad.

That's the magic number I'm aiming for 130kw :thumbsup:

Anything above that is sure to kill the motor fast :o

[Weq]

That's the magic number I'm aiming for 130kw :thumbsup:

Anything above that is sure to kill the motor fast :o

Your comments really stuggle with me sometimes. You say things as facts that are completely false??? I dont get it.... Stop thinking your a baller. Run 1bar on that tiny turbo. And take that stupid head-sheild filter off, its robbing you of lots of power. They are designed for NA ricers who keep getitng pulled over and defected. They flow like a bee's dick. I know u want to be legal, take 1hr of time and make yourself and airbox. 100kw is nothing to be proud of, its like saying a b16a is fast.

[Lukezen27]

Your comments really stuggle with me sometimes. You say things as facts that are completely false??? I dont get it.... Stop thinking your a baller. Run 1bar on that tiny turbo. And take that stupid head-sheild filter off, its robbing you of lots of power. They are designed for NA ricers who keep getitng pulled over and defected. They flow like a bee's dick. I know u want to be legal, take 1hr of time and make yourself and airbox. 100kw is nothing to be proud of, its like saying a b16a is fast.

Ouch!

Weq if you read my update a few pagers back I'm @ 116.5 wheel KW @ only 6 psi

I do hear you man but I passed my Engineering Certificate and blue slip with that stupid thing and I hate having to deal with cops..

I have looked into custom air boxes down the track but right now I'm saving for Laos in Julie

Not sure what comments completely false?

You think I should use the pod this weekend at retune with my boost controller?

Luke

[aimre]

Ouch!

Weq if you read my update a few pagers back I'm @ 116.5 wheel KW @ only 6 psi

I do hear you man but I passed my Engineering Certificate and blue slip with that stupid thing and I hate having to deal with cops..

I have looked into custom air boxes down the track but right now I'm saving for Laos in Julie

Not sure what comments completely false?

You think I should use the pod this weekend at retune with my boost controller?

Luke

The coment that Over 130kw kills ur car.

Stock it should take 160-170 bewfore things start becoming a game of chance

Unfortunatly (no offence, but..) luke's car is abit rice, Big body kit, 17s and a large hatch spoiler is sure to grab some attention.

But still, if ur engineered, its as easy as 1,2,3 to clear e defect

[Lukezen27]

The coment that Over 130kw kills ur car.

Stock it should take 160-170 bewfore things start becoming a game of chance

Unfortunatly (no offence, but..) luke's car is abit rice, Big body kit, 17s and a large hatch spoiler is sure to grab some attention.

But still, if ur engineered, its as easy as 1,2,3 to clear e defect

Oh I see

160-170 I'm loving that idea, at the wheels?

I thought the D16's could only handle 200HP at the fly but 160+ is amazing for such a small motor but good news none the less

Yup aimre spot on with my problem rice = cops.. something I want to avoid if at all possible.

Sorry to anyone for the misleading info


Luke

[Weq]

Ouch!

Weq if you read my update a few pagers back I'm @ 116.5 wheel KW @ only 6 psi

I do hear you man but I passed my Engineering Certificate and blue slip with that stupid thing and I hate having to deal with cops..

I have looked into custom air boxes down the track but right now I'm saving for Laos in Julie

Not sure what comments completely false?

You think I should use the pod this weekend at retune with my boost controller?

Luke


Just pull the filter off on the dyno.

[aimre]

Oh I see

160-170 I'm loving that idea, at the wheels?

I thought the D16's could only handle 200HP at the fly but 160+ is amazing for such a small motor but good news none the less

Yup aimre spot on with my problem rice = cops.. something I want to avoid if at all possible.

Sorry to anyone for the misleading info


Luke

200-220 atw. People cant get figures at the engine. Welll they can but with great dificulty.

Most of the power figures people quote online are atw, unless its manufacturers. No average joe is gonna pull an engine out just to dyno it.

[Lukezen27]

200-220 atw. People cant get figures at the engine. Welll they can but with great dificulty.

Most of the power figures people quote online are atw, unless its manufacturers. No average joe is gonna pull an engine out just to dyno it.

lol kooks

75 / wheel power times 100 =

That's for anyone that needs it :p

[Centurius]

to calculate engine power figure? there's a little more to it than that i'm afraid. though it might give you a rough idea..
Everything between the flywheel and the dyno roller affects your ATW power figure. That includes your driveline, gearbox (including gear selection), and your wheel diameter and weight, tyre grip and inflation... not just a simple formula.

[Lukezen27]

to calculate engine power figure? there's a little more to it than that i'm afraid. though it might give you a rough idea..
Everything between the flywheel and the dyno roller affects your ATW power figure. That includes your driveline, gearbox (including gear selection), and your wheel diameter and weight, tyre grip and inflation... not just a simple formula.

Not for most needs its not

To start with we are assuming 25% loss from fly to wheels so its always going to be a rough guess.. anyway..

[Sexc86]

solid numbers....my mate used to own a turbo d16y8 made 130 kw atw. Wasn't to bad.




Daym.... are you actaully giving some street credit to a turbo D ;) ?

[lukecivic]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83196

what do you turbo D guys think of the kit for sale in that thread?

prety decent price?
would it deffinately fit my d16y8? straght bolt on?

thanks

[aimre]

$2500 gets u a greddy kit, with a computer.

Spend another $300 ish get cooler and piping, run 7psi on the greddy tune.

[lukecivic]

okay, thanks.
but what [ricer] is selling comes with heaps more

arnt the greddy kits designed to run on low boost?

[Lukezen27]

okay, thanks.
but what [ricer] is selling comes with heaps more

arnt the greddy kits designed to run on low boost?

The GReddy Kit can run more boost than your motor could handle on stock internals...

You just need to buy a boost controller

[Limbo]

i'd get ricer's kit cos he's already gone through all the drama of getting it setup to run on the D series. The G reddy kit you gotta put it in yourself and then get the other stuff done, like BOV boost controller, and then tune the ECU to get some decent power out of it, not to mention wiring in the ECU

[lukecivic]

thanks yeah, im checking it out soon hopefully
my car has done 14XXXX kms should i get the engine rebuilt before i boost it?
have most people done that?

[Lukezen27]

thanks yeah, im checking it out soon hopefully
my car has done 14XXXX kms should i get the engine rebuilt before i boost it?
have most people done that?

Na as long as the motors been looked after :)

If you can afford it why not..

I got mine done but only coze my rings were gone :o

[Lukezen27]

Quick update Guys

120kw @ only 5500 RPM with the same problem even after the boost controller installed.

11psi and as the RPM go up the boost dies due to 2" exhaust lol

We hit 129kw at 12psi one run but backed the boost off for safety.

As for the whole pod filter thing Weq was going on about..
Good in theory but not true..

I lost power using the GReddy filter.. so the heat shelfed ones saying :thumbsup:

Nuff said

Need a new head gasket though :(

Luke

[Limbo]

new engine would be better

[aimre]

The GReddy Kit can run more boost than your motor could handle on stock internals...

You just need to buy a boost controller

Sort of.

I got the compressor map for the td04-e. With our engines, its starts loosing efficiency above 12. Its on the edge of 70% on 14psi, any higher, and it just drops, so all ur doing is blowing hot air.

[phantom_civic]

Saw this car rolling onto the Dyno yesterday @ TODA, Pitty I didnt stayed around 2 watch it pump the numbers but looks the goods :)

[Lukezen27]

Saw this car rolling onto the Dyno yesterday @ TODA, Pitty I didnt stayed around 2 watch it pump the numbers but looks the goods :)

Thanks bro

Witch guy were you?

Its hard to keep up with everyones name lol

[phantom_civic]

I was the asian guy that came out of the mx5 :)

[Lukezen27]

I was the asian guy that came out of the mx5 :)

Oh cool man :)


new engine would be better

Making 120kw at only 550RPM's I think I'll try to fix this one lol

Imagen how much she's make when I can hit 7200RPM

[lukecivic]

Oh cool man :)



Making 120kw at only 550RPM's I think I'll try to fix this one lol

Imagen how much she's make when I can hit 7200RPM

wow nice mate, damn i wish i coulda come see it aswell
how much boost were u running to make that?

[Lukezen27]

wow nice mate, damn i wish i coulda come see it aswell
how much boost were u running to make that?

11psi

But I'm only running that amount coze the exhaust is to small lol

Will be back to 8psi when I get 2.5" exhaust..

[gReY-oNe]

so im guessing the turbo smart bleed valve helped?? :D

i should try this lmao

[Lukezen27]

so im guessing the turbo smart bleed valve helped?? :D

i should try this lmao

Make a big difference

No spiks anymore :)

[Weq]

Quick update Guys

120kw @ only 5500 RPM with the same problem even after the boost controller installed.

11psi and as the RPM go up the boost dies due to 2" exhaust lol

We hit 129kw at 12psi one run but backed the boost off for safety.

As for the whole pod filter thing Weq was going on about..
Good in theory but not true..

I lost power using the GReddy filter.. so the heat shelfed ones saying :thumbsup:

Nuff said

Need a new head gasket though :(

Luke



Too much timing. D-series engines can take on average 1/2 the timing as a b-series engine. You have to keep combustion pressures down, otherwise you will blow the gasket.

And the filter sucks. I never once said the (dirty) greddy filter was any better.

And the exhaust has little do with the greddy turbo loosing boost. Its all to do with the bleed valves. You need a proper electronic boost controller with closed loop feedback. The stock actuator is really really bad. You need to shorten the arm until its reaches about 9psi off the gate, then get an electronic controller to up the boost from there. I had best success with the GReddy profec B (now called type-S) and the turbosmart eboost's. I tried other electronic controllers, but none could hold the boost over 5500rpm. This was with a 2.5" exhaust. Bleed valves had NOOOO luck at all.

This is a typical australian thread. not learning anything from other peoples previous experiences, and then re-inventing the wheel over and over.

[Weq]

adding to my last post, u will also find your 2" exhaust is causeing alot of back pressure on the motor. this causes gas reversion.

[Limbo]

How do you know there is too much timing? have you seen the dyno chart?

[aimre]

How do you know there is too much timing? have you seen the dyno chart?

he only owned the fasted D on this site. He only went through all this before.

[Lukezen27]

Too much timing. D-series engines can take on average 1/2 the timing as a b-series engine. You have to keep combustion pressures down, otherwise you will blow the gasket.

And the filter sucks. I never once said the (dirty) greddy filter was any better.

And the exhaust has little do with the greddy turbo loosing boost. Its all to do with the bleed valves. You need a proper electronic boost controller with closed loop feedback. The stock actuator is really really bad. You need to shorten the arm until its reaches about 9psi off the gate, then get an electronic controller to up the boost from there. I had best success with the GReddy profec B (now called type-S) and the turbosmart eboost's. I tried other electronic controllers, but none could hold the boost over 5500rpm. This was with a 2.5" exhaust. Bleed valves had NOOOO luck at all.

This is a typical australian thread. not learning anything from other peoples previous experiences, and then re-inventing the wheel over and over.

Mate we all know you had the fastest D16Y1 round and we salute you!!

Now enough with the ****ing stupid comments!

I don’t mind your input but making statements like “ This is a typical Australian thread. not learning anything from other peoples previous experiences, and then re-inventing the wheel over and over” is just retarded.

I for one like learning things as I’m doing them and don’t have a problem spending a crappy $26 bucks on a bleed valve just to see what happens.

I’m fully aware I’d more than likely have to go electric after reading some of your early posts..


he only owned the fasted D on this site. He only went through all this before.


Yeah but there's no need to be an ass about it,,

Your not Alex

Luke

[fatboyz39]

nice power .........

time to fix that headgasket and have some 1/4mile fun.

[lukecivic]

11psi

But I'm only running that amount coze the exhaust is to small lol

Will be back to 8psi when I get 2.5" exhaust..

kool, once its uve got the BHG fixed, exhaust and what ever else needs doing it should put out some really good numbers :)
how many kms on your engine?

ive got 14XXXXkms on my d16y8, from what people have told me i wont need to rebuild it ... i sure hope so as its aaaaall adding up now :eek:

[Lukezen27]

kool, once its uve got the BHG fixed, exhaust and what ever else needs doing it should put out some really good numbers :)
how many kms on your engine?

ive got 14XXXXkms on my d16y8, from what people have told me i wont need to rebuild it ... i sure hope so as its aaaaall adding up now :eek:

110,000 before rebuild

about 20,000 now

Yeah it dose add-up quick lol

[Weq]

Mate we all know you had the fastest D16Y1 round and we salute you!!

Now enough with the ****ing stupid comments!

I don’t mind your input but making statements like “ This is a typical Australian thread. not learning anything from other peoples previous experiences, and then re-inventing the wheel over and over” is just retarded.

I for one like learning things as I’m doing them and don’t have a problem spending a crappy $26 bucks on a bleed valve just to see what happens.

I’m fully aware I’d more than likely have to go electric after reading some of your early posts..




Yeah but there's no need to be an ass about it,,

Your not Alex

Luke

Im an ass about it because you are giving d-series a bad name. All the b-series guys come in here and all they see is weaksauce weaksauce weaksauce unreliable. Sorry if u dont like my attitude, but when u rep the d, u get it whether u like it or not. What also pisses me off is guys like TODA get mhad reps and still blow up peoples engines. Then they get more money cause they blame the components of peoples setups instead of taking the fall themselves, and to their rep. People come back to them with new setups, they blow them up and then once again play the blame game.

There is nothing wrong with your setup, there is nothing wrong with your engine management. You should of never blown a headgasket. What has happened is because you exhaust is too small, you wernt making the power it should. So on the dyno toda goes and up's the timing (just like dynodave and all the other experienced tuners) to gain more power and save his rep. Unlike b-series, d-series cant take timing for shit, and all it does is increase combustion pressures to the point were the sleeves move and the headgasket blows. (cause of the added pressures of the RS ratio(amoung other things)). It might not blow on the dyno, but just playing with the timing and settting it that high for a single run starts the time-bomb ticking.

10-14deg total timing at fullboost is all u run at upto 12psi.

The guys running 25psi on stock sleeve, vitara setups are running 3-6deg total. 25psi daily without a hint of blown headgasket. They are putting down easy 11second passes. All the bullsh*t tuners in this country spin is just because they have no idea how to tune a d-series.

Compared this to a guy running 18-20deg total on b-series setup at 10psi.

Now lets see, my advice for changing ur headgasket.

Felpro in the USA have copper coated gaskets. These are your best bet and can be used out of the box. If u get an OEM type gasket, copper coat it. 1 layer, let it dry fully. Apply another layer, let it dry fully. Finally the last layer. Let it get tacky then install. Torque ARPs to 75 (with moly lube) or 85ft/lbs (with engine oil). Anything less then the above, will only result in changing your headgasket again.

PS. Yeh you can learn things yourself, but dont tell me your boost conotroller issue only cost you $25. Add dyno/labour time to that equation also. I got given lots of bad advice. Wasted lots of hours. and lots of burnt knuckles.

[Limbo]

just on a note, luke's prob happened before he even boosted it, its only after that he figured out it was a blown gasket.

[grumpy rooster]

Copper gaskets are the work of the devil.

[Lukezen27]

Im an ass about it because you are giving d-series a bad name. All the b-series guys come in here and all they see is weaksauce weaksauce weaksauce unreliable. Sorry if u dont like my attitude, but when u rep the d, u get it whether u like it or not. What also pisses me off is guys like TODA get mhad reps and still blow up peoples engines. Then they get more money cause they blame the components of peoples setups instead of taking the fall themselves, and to their rep. People come back to them with new setups, they blow them up and then once again play the blame game.

There is nothing wrong with your setup, there is nothing wrong with your engine management. You should of never blown a headgasket. What has happened is because you exhaust is too small, you wernt making the power it should. So on the dyno toda goes and up's the timing (just like dynodave and all the other experienced tuners) to gain more power and save his rep. Unlike b-series, d-series cant take timing for shit, and all it does is increase combustion pressures to the point were the sleeves move and the headgasket blows. (cause of the added pressures of the RS ratio(amoung other things)). It might not blow on the dyno, but just playing with the timing and settting it that high for a single run starts the time-bomb ticking.

10-14deg total timing at fullboost is all u run at upto 12psi.

The guys running 25psi on stock sleeve, vitara setups are running 3-6deg total. 25psi daily without a hint of blown headgasket. They are putting down easy 11second passes. All the bullsh*t tuners in this country spin is just because they have no idea how to tune a d-series.

Compared this to a guy running 18-20deg total on b-series setup at 10psi.

Now lets see, my advice for changing ur headgasket.

Felpro in the USA have copper coated gaskets. These are your best bet and can be used out of the box. If u get an OEM type gasket, copper coat it. 1 layer, let it dry fully. Apply another layer, let it dry fully. Finally the last layer. Let it get tacky then install. Torque ARPs to 75 (with moly lube) or 85ft/lbs (with engine oil). Anything less then the above, will only result in changing your headgasket again.

PS. Yeh you can learn things yourself, but dont tell me your boost conotroller issue only cost you $25. Add dyno/labour time to that equation also. I got given lots of bad advice. Wasted lots of hours. and lots of burnt knuckles.

Weq

The head gasket was gone before I every rolled into TODA the problem just increased with boost

I just assumed the radiator was ****ed and it only happens now and then..

The timing close to stock on my motor and turning had nothing to do with it.

Adrian installed the $26 and tuned for close to nothing and I got beers..

I never said anything was wrong with my setup or I wouldn’t have brought this kit and after years of researching as you already know..

Even Adrian admits the US per-tuned kit is great value and not once has he bagged me out about it.

[TODA AU]

Im an ass.
Yes you are...

Re your post...
You couldn't be more wrong as to why this car has an issue.
And you're way off the mark again with regard to the timing.
But that's beside the point.
I'm sure you'll find something else to rant & rave about...
Then as usual, turn it around & make it all about you...

Anyway go on... Reply... Throw a tantrum you moron.

[NightKids]

Hmm i'm curious to know who's right & wrong here....

[sinobi]

my friend pulled 132kwat the wheels
with his bold on kit from the us
on his d16
but i had to pick on him to soon when he tune that time cause he still needed a f/pump plus f/reg
then he ****ed up my life
cause i no for sure his pullin over 150kw at the wheels now ez
now i hab to get a snail too...

[Lukezen27]

my friend pulled 132kwat the wheels
with his bold on kit from the us
on his d16
but i had to pick on him to soon when he tune that time cause he still needed a f/pump plus f/reg
then he ****ed up my life
cause i no for sure his pullin over 150kw at the wheels now ez
now i hab to get a snail too...

Yeah we pulled 129kw at 12psi but that's a bit to much boost for my liking lol

150kw on the D16 with stock internals?

[lukecivic]

150kw on the D16 with stock internals?



if so ....poor d16 :(

[fatboyz39]

D series motors are cheap....could someone do a trial how much boost they can hold. I'd gladly donate one my d16y1 motors if there one blows up.

[Lukezen27]

D series motors are cheap....could someone do a trial how much boost they can hold. I'd gladly donate one my d16y1 motors if there one blows up.

Yeah man

We can work something out :)

[destrukshn]

what about the labour part?

[tekung89]

What also pisses me off is guys like TODA get mhad reps and still blow up peoples engines. Then they get more money cause they blame the components of peoples setups instead of taking the fall themselves, and to their rep. People come back to them with new setups, they blow them up and then once again play the blame game.


well said, couldnt agree more.



What has happened is because you exhaust is too small, you wernt making the power it should. So on the dyno toda goes and up's the timing (just like dynodave and all the other experienced tuners) to gain more power and save his rep. Unlike b-series, d-series cant take timing for shit, and all it does is increase combustion pressures to the point were the sleeves move and the headgasket blows. (cause of the added pressures of the RS ratio(amoung other things)). It might not blow on the dyno, but just playing with the timing and settting it that high for a single run starts the time-bomb ticking.


i agree with this too, but like lukezen27 said.. his headgasket was already on its way out but imo if he knew that his headgasket was on the way out, why dyno it and up the psi / get more power out of it.

nevermind =) nice car tho , 120kw is still something to be proud of coming from a D. but we all kno that its capable of way more

[Lukezen27]

what about the labour part?

I guess thats the trick plus time in between lol





i agree with this too, but like lukezen27 said.. his headgasket was already on its way out but imo if he knew that his headgasket was on the way out, why dyno it and up the psi / get more power out of it.

nevermind =) nice car tho , 120kw is still something to be proud of coming from a D. but we all kno that its capable of way more

Yeah I just thought I was the cheap radiator I had not a head gasket lol

So I replaced it but had the same problem :(

I think 120kw on 12pis @ only 5500RPM is quiet good IMO

[lukecivic]

are you using a aftermarket thermostat lukezen27?
its been recommended to me to use one, any suggestions on which 1 to use?

[Lukezen27]

are you using a aftermarket thermostat lukezen27?
its been recommended to me to use one, any suggestions on which 1 to use?

Na stock

New thermostat won't do shit unless you also get a low heat trigger switch I think..

[Sexc86]

I run spoon low temp thermo stat and thermo switch. Its awsome.. but the fan in nearly ALWAYES running hahaha

[Lukezen27]

I run spoon low temp thermo stat and thermo switch. Its awsome.. but the fan in nearly ALWAYES running hahaha

I can imagine lol

Mines on close to all the time with standard :p

[1996ek1]

Spoon and mugen are the most common low temp thermo and fan switch'
Both together will cost you around $200


And luke, did you change your map sensor, or using stock one ?

[Lukezen27]

Spoon and mugen are the most common low temp thermo and fan switch'
Both together will cost you around $200


And luke, did you change your map sensor, or using stock one ?

Stock map sensor

[Limbo]

well said, couldnt agree more.



i agree with this too, but like lukezen27 said.. his headgasket was already on its way out but imo if he knew that his headgasket was on the way out, why dyno it and up the psi / get more power out of it.

nevermind =) nice car tho , 120kw is still something to be proud of coming from a D. but we all kno that its capable of way more


seriously i don't know how you guys are bagging Toda when your in QLD and have not seen him work. Has he done a tune for you?

I for one have watched him tune quite a few cars and seen some of great tunes he's done. I personally know the people who own these cars and they have nothing but praise for his work.

You guys keep saying he blows motors, well if that's the case then can someone who has a motor blown by him speak up otherwise why spout crap.

[kayot1k]

wow love this controversy.

weq i loved his comment about weaksauce, weaksauce . thats a classic.
as it may be true about his comments about theres only so much d series can put out, and at the same time b series having the same output with less effort. D-series are cheap as chips and i guess B-series is getting there atm as well just depends on your preference i guess.
wheres the honda love yo ? shouldnt be arguing.

As for everyone tuning at TODA, to be quite frank dont know many that can tune the hondas as well as Adrian. Maybe there is but the number of customers at TODA dont lie. Motors blow all the time, when you put ur car on the dyno there is always a risk of something going wrong stock or not.

[grumpy rooster]

Do you really want us to post pics of blown toda motors? Dig up the blown motor thread. Check there and see for yourself.

I've seen crap tunes from lots of tuners (and not saying the tune was the problem in this case or any other supposed TODA failure). Does that mean I have to name them all? It doesn't do anything other than cause arguments.

Let it go guys.

[tekung89]

wat is vtec? can u eat it? lol this threads getting abit off topic and more into a debate

[TODA AU]

FFS… This thread is turning into another OZHonda shit fight bitch session…

The engine Jimmy is talking about failed in the care of Bel Garage,
We were informed by Bel it was retuned by JEM then DD…
But of course this is never talked about.
If we were to blame, we would have been contacted by the MVRIA (http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/motorvehicles/motorindustry/motorvehiclerepairindustry.html)
To date, we have not.

Now get this thread back on topic.
It’s supposed to be about Luke’s car & his trials & tribulations in the process of getting it to where he wants it…

[EG5[KRT]]

Na stock

New thermostat won't do shit unless you also get a low heat trigger switch I think..

lower opening thermostat does what is says..opens at a lower temperature.

i think for a street car you probably safer getting one and not bothering with the low temp thermoswitch.. coz the fan wont do much just result in using more fuel.due to turning on earlier when its not really needed.

you could probably justify using a lower temp thermostat since you have a turbo and the turbo should be kept cool i guess.

[Limbo]

never too much cooling in a turbo car. I've got one, just need to put it in


;1533011']lower opening thermostat does what is says..opens at a lower temperature.

i think for a street car you probably safer getting one and not bothering with the low temp thermoswitch.. coz the fan wont do much just result in using more fuel.due to turning on earlier when its not really needed.

you could probably justify using a lower temp thermostat since you have a turbo and the turbo should be kept cool i guess.

[lukecivic]

thanks guys, ill be gettin one aswell
argh... time to add that to the list :p

[Lukezen27]

thanks guys, ill be gettin one aswell
argh... time to add that to the list :p


lol how much ya up to thus far?

[e240]

Keep to topic...and for the record, any one accusing a tuner, be it DD, Hipower, Toda, with nothing else but malice gets an infraction from me, especially those trying to sell their own engines. Sell it on your own merit, not by bagging out others.

[lukecivic]

lol how much ya up to thus far?

well its working out to be about 1.5k on top of the conversion :D
thats clutch, fuel pump, thermostat etc etc

[Lukezen27]

well its working out to be about 1.5k on top of the conversion :D
thats clutch, fuel pump, thermostat etc etc

Oh what motor did you swap in?

[dynosaur]

Does all the setting pre-tuned in E-manage is the safetesfor engine ?

my blue E-manage is bought from Japan , n my car is JDM DC2-R .

so , can I just wired n dial the setting for dc2r.

will it be safe ?

hope u understand my question :p

[Lukezen27]

Does all the setting pre-tuned in E-manage is the safetesfor engine ?

my blue E-manage is bought from Japan , n my car is JDM DC2-R .

so , can I just wired n dial the setting for dc2r.

will it be safe ?

hope u understand my question :p

As far a I know they don't come per-tuned as just the bare unit..

Mine came pre-tuned and sold as a whole kit..

[1996ek1]

there are no ' dial in settings for a dc2r '
It has to be tuned...

[dynosaur]

there are no ' dial in settings for a dc2r '
It has to be tuned...

based on the Greddy wiring diagram which provided for every E-manage purchase.

the setting for DC2-R is 2, 8, A.

[Lukezen27]

based on the Greddy wiring diagram which provided for every E-manage purchase.

the setting for DC2-R is 2, 8, A

Wiring has nothing to do with the tuning...

You talking about he little dial's hidden behind the the blue cover right?

[dynosaur]

Wiring has nothing to do with the tuning...

You talking about he little dial's hidden behind the the blue cover right?

yeah , what is that ? there r not the pre-setting for Honda cars drive in Japan ?

[dynosaur]

does anyone know ,

where could I get the harness ( for honda use ) ? instate of cutting the OEM wires .

or any DIY ?

[Lukezen27]

yeah , what is that ?

Setting the jumpers inside and also the dials set's your e-manage unit up for your cars options.. and makes it ready for tuning...

It DOSE NOT tune your car..


does anyone know ,

where could I get the harness ( for honda use ) ? instate of cutting the OEM wires .

or any DIY ?

Just get the plug & play harness and save yourself the trouble lol

I stated with then just being soldered in but move onto the plug & play harness :)

Do you have the ignition harness as well?

[dynosaur]

Setting the jumpers inside and also the dials set's your e-manage unit up for your cars options.. and makes it ready for turning...

It DOSE NOT tune your car..

I c.......

[dynosaur]

Just get the plug&play harness and save yourself the trouble lol

yeah , that is what I m talking about.

do u know where can get this plug & play harness ?


yes , I got the ignition & add. injector harnesses . ( does the add. injector harnesses is needed for NA ? or just for turbocharge use ? )

[Lukezen27]

yeah , that is what I m talking about.

dp u know where can get this plug & play harness ?

Auto Barn or whatever and order one..

Try Avance Pro

Not sure how there speller sorry

[dynosaur]

Auto Barn or whatever and order one..

Try Avance Pro

Not sure how there speller sorry

how much I would expecting for ?

[Lukezen27]

yeah , that is what I m talking about.

do u know where can get this plug & play harness ?


yes , I got the ignition & add. injector harnesses . ( does the add. injector harnesses is needed for NA ? or just for turbocharge use ? )

Yes you should use the ignition harnesses but not sure about the injector ones with NA sorry mate..

I only know what I needed with boost


how much I would expecting for ?

I paid $150 for mine
what motors code dose your car have?

[dynosaur]

what motor code ?

I just know my car got this : E-DC2 , B18C ( 96 Spec R )

[Lukezen27]

what motor code ?

I just know my car got this : E-DC2 , B18C ( 96 Spec R )

On the harness box they list

H-2 (harness model)
DC2 B18C 95.9~01.3


H-3 (harness model)
DC2 B18C 93.5~95.8

Mines harness model H-3

As I don't read or understand Jap I don't know what the numbers at the end mean :o sorry

So I don't know witch ones for your car lol

[dynosaur]

On the harness box they list

H-2 (harness model)
DC2 B18C 95.9~01.3


H-3 (harness model)
DC2 B18C 93.5~95.8

Mines harness model H-3

As I don't read or understand Jap I don't know what the numbers at the end mean :o sorry

So I don't know witch ones for your car lol

some1 can make it clear ?

[dynosaur]

On the harness box they list

H-2 (harness model)
DC2 B18C 95.9~01.3


H-3 (harness model)
DC2 B18C 93.5~95.8

Mines harness model H-3

As I don't read or understand Jap I don't know what the numbers at the end mean :o sorry

So I don't know witch ones for your car lol

I think it is depends on what type of ECU the u r using ( my is P73 ECU ).

[dynosaur]

http://www.trust-power.com/spec_swf/03electric/e-managekits.swf

[dynosaur]

I found this :

H-2 : DC2（Type R） B18C (95.10〜01.6) , part no :15950902

H-3 : DC2 (*2) B18C (93.5〜01.6) , part no :15950903


(*2) ＝ For M/T vehicles ONLY (excluding Type-R)

so , I believe the harness for me is H-2 .

and u said u use H-3 ( mayb ur B18C is not type R engine )

so , everything is make sense.

[Lukezen27]

I found this :

H-2 : DC2（Type R） B18C (95.10〜01.6) , part no :15950902

H-3 : DC2 (*2) B18C (93.5〜01.6) , part no :15950903


(*2) ＝ For M/T vehicles ONLY (excluding Type-R)

so , I believe the harness for me is H-2 .

and u said u use H-3 ( mayb ur B18C is not type R engine )

so , everything is make sense.

lol my motors not even a B baby

I rock the boosted D16....

[dynosaur]

lol my motors not even a B baby

I rock the boosted D16....

hahaha :p

[Lukezen27]

hahaha :p

Yeah TAKE THAT :wave:

[Weq]

Setting the jumpers inside and also the dials set's your e-manage unit up for your cars options.. and makes it ready for tuning...

It DOSE NOT tune your car..


There are dials on the side of an emanage which can be used like an AFC to use a car.

[Weq]

FFS… This thread is turning into another OZHonda shit fight bitch session…

The engine Jimmy is talking about failed in the care of Bel Garage,
We were informed by Bel it was retuned by JEM then DD…
But of course this is never talked about.
If we were to blame, we would have been contacted by the MVRIA (http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/motorvehicles/motorindustry/motorvehiclerepairindustry.html)
To date, we have not.

Now get this thread back on topic.
It’s supposed to be about Luke’s car & his trials & tribulations in the process of getting it to where he wants it…

The reason why no complaints are made is because the price of civil proceedings, the need for a certified specialised engineer to tear down the entire engine and inspect every part, and report on it. Then having to prove everything. In 90% of cases, proving someone was at fault when is near impossible. "Crappy fuel"

[TODA AU]

The reason why no complaints are made is because the price of civil proceedings, the need for a certified specialised engineer to tear down the entire engine and inspect every part, and report on it. Then having to prove everything. In 90% of cases, proving someone was at fault when is near impossible. "Crappy fuel"

Actually, the reason no complains are made is because there are no legitimate complaints.
Further, it’s a cheap & easy process for the consumer.
(From the NSW Department of Fair Trading web site)
If you have a dispute with your repairer that you cannot resolve on your own,
You need to lodge your dispute with the MVRIA.
Explain the problem you have and allow the repairer to either resolve the problem or state their position. If you are not happy with the outcome call the Technical Enquiry Officers at the Motor Vehicle Repair Industry Authority to discuss your problem on (02) 9712 2144. They will take the time to listen to you and help you understand your position and what steps you can take, including having a mediator help you negotiate a settlement between you and the repairer. Most disputes are settled by negotiation assisted by a mediator.
These services are provided free of charge.
Alternatively you can complete a Notice of dispute form in PDF format (size: 141k). (found on MVRIA site)
If a settlement cannot be agreed upon, the owner may lodge a dispute with the Consumer, Trader and Tenancy Tribunal (CTTT).
Although the CTTT has an upper limit of $25,000, there is no upper limit to the matters which may be investigated by the MVRIA. However, if the cost of the repair cannot be recovered from the repairer by legal action, then the customer may put a claim to the MVRIA Contingency Fund. The limit of such claims is $30,000.
As for use of a forensic engineer,
This will cost you between $600 & $800 to tear the engine down & give you a full report.
The engine need to be removed by an independent 3rd party & collected by the said engineer.
He will provide you with a report that is admissible as evidence in either the CTTT or a civic court.
As is the law, yes you have to prove negligence.

[MikeLary]

Yeah you should..

Its my understanding that when the gas leaves the manifold hot it can go through smaller spaces thus you can go from say 2" to 2.5" as the gas cools down it expands...

Not sure how true this is but that's what heat wrap on heaters dose, keeps em hot to the gas moves faster...

Someone correct me if I'm wrong?

Luke

hey mate nice build, dood ive heard the oposite with this theory... i guess everyone has different theories but the americans always say to have a bigger downpipe and smaller exhaust or same size downpipe as exhaust but not the other way around, ive forgotton the reason for this now but ill dig it up for u

[sml-089]

hey mate, u say on the first page u paid $600 for ur install? is this from a shop or backyard job? details if u dont mind please

[Sexc86]

IMO when there are 2 reputable parties arguing and both believe they are 100% correct... its hard to know who is genunine and who is bullshitting. But usually the bullshitter is the one with the most to loose....

[Lukezen27]

IMO when there are 2 reputable parties arguing and both believe they are 100% correct... its hard to know who is genunine and who is bullshitting. But usually the bullshitter is the one with the most to loose....

lol all hear that


hey mate, u say on the first page u paid $600 for ur install? is this from a shop or backyard job? details if u dont mind please

Yeah backyard job and mates rates

No details to get sorry

Should only cost about $1000 at shop

Luke

[sml-089]

cheers anyway mate

[Lukezen27]

Update Guys

My little problem with boost not holding after 5500RPM is now fixed and **** yeah its nice to drive now :)

Installed a new GCG 8 pound actuator and she holds boost all the way to red line no problems at all :thumbsup: also make my idle far smoother.

I went from 11psi to about 8psi but shes now noticeable quicker.. can't wait for 10psi once my head gasket is fixed in two weeks...

$130 bucks well spent

[Weq]

Update Guys

My little problem with boost not holding after 5500RPM is now fixed and **** yeah its nice to drive now :)

Installed a new GCG 8 pound actuator and she holds boost all the way to red line no problems at all :thumbsup: also make my idle far smoother.

I went from 11psi to about 8psi but shes now noticeable quicker.. can't wait for 10psi once my head gasket is fixed in two weeks...

$130 bucks well spent

Ahh good good. Thats definatly one way to fix it.. Dunno why, but the standard actuator is a POS.

[lukecivic]

glad to hear its goin great now :D

[Lukezen27]

Hey Guys

I'm about to get my new HG installed but I not 100% sure torque setting..

ARP list 60 ftlbs

http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=78591&page=2
Recommend 70 ftlbs

Guys on here say 75 ftlbs to 85 ftlbs

??????

[Drew]

So are you using the ARP Head studs or OEM bolts?

Because that would make a difference as to how much torque you apply

[Lukezen27]

So are you using the ARP Head studs or OEM bolts?

Because that would make a difference as to how much torque you apply

ARP studs and bolts

[Limbo]

i'd go with manufacturer's specs. They made them i'm sure they know how much they should be torqued to

[Drew]

ARP studs and bolts

You can't have studs AND bolts; dumb ass it's either one or the other
When using ARP fasteners you should use ARP torque settings... Seriously just go read the FAQ on ARP website -_-

Studs and nuts
https://www.jacksonautomachine.com/images/products/ExStudsMit.jpg

Bolts

http://www.boltdepot.com/images/Chrome/chrome-hex-bolts.jpg

Learn the difference

[Lukezen27]

You can't have studs AND bolts; dumb ass it's either one or the other
When using ARP fasteners you should use ARP torque settings... Seriously just go read the FAQ on ARP website -_-

Studs and nuts
https://www.jacksonautomachine.com/images/products/ExStudsMit.jpg

Bolts

http://www.boltdepot.com/images/Chrome/chrome-hex-bolts.jpg

Learn the difference

Yeah sorry I meant studs and nuts lol

I've been there and they list what there paperwork that came with the kit list

I'm going 70 as that's what all the yanks use

[Drew]

Up to you; but I'd use ARP's 60

I mean after all what do they know about it?

[Weq]

Yeah sorry I meant studs and nuts lol

I've been there and they list what there paperwork that came with the kit list

I'm going 70 as that's what all the yanks use

Continue to ignore my advice. Its you wallet, not mine!

[Lukezen27]

Continue to ignore my advice. Its you wallet, not mine!

I've asked Hannys to do 75 but not sure if they will..

They are giving my warranty on the work even though I'm boosted so I can't complain

[Weq]

I've asked Hannys to do 75 but not sure if they will..

They are giving my warranty on the work even though I'm boosted so I can't complain

I look forward to the results. I used moly lube and arps recomended 65ftlbs first go. that sh*t didnt even last the end of the block. Nothing beats the seal of a 100,000km old baked on headgasket. If toda is behind your tune, the reason why you gasket failed so quickly was because the last rebuild (whoever did that) was done incorrectly.

[Lukezen27]

I look forward to the results. I used moly lube and arps recomended 65ftlbs first go. that sh*t didnt even last the end of the block. Nothing beats the seal of a 100,000km old baked on headgasket. If toda is behind your tune, the reason why you gasket failed so quickly was because the last rebuild (whoever did that) was done incorrectly.

Hannys did the rebuild last time too but that’s not why it failed..

My thermostat died in the middle of peak hour traffic about a year and a half ago and there was nothing I could do but let her overheat and she pushed all the water out... :thumbdwn:

[Limbo]

luke how much is hanny's charging to install your studs?

[Lukezen27]

luke how much is hanny's charging to install your studs?

Free with the HG change

[lukecivic]

so hows this going? is it back on the road yet?

[Lukezen27]

so hows this going? is it back on the road yet?

Was never off the road bro :p

This is also my work car..

But having a new HG means I don't have to refill the radiator every few days lol So yeah all good man

[lukecivic]

sweet, nice daily driver :D

hey what headgasket did you use?

[Lukezen27]

sweet, nice daily driver :D

hey what headgasket did you use?

OEM Char

[Limbo]

did he fix it as warranty or did you have to fork out for it?

[Lukezen27]

did he fix it as warranty or did you have to fork out for it?

Fork it out but they did it a bit cheaper..

Was out of warranty anyway

[VTC-8OY]

Was never off the road bro :p

This is also my work car..

But having a new HG means I don't have to refill the radiator every few days lol So yeah all good man

lol exact same prob i had.... mine use to boil like a kettle i cud hear it for a while from the inside wen i'd stop the car lol

[B147ch]

mannn i seriously need to turbo my EG..
heh
love the setup btw..

[Lukezen27]

mannn i seriously need to turbo my EG..
heh
love the setup btw..

lol yeah man its hella fun :thumbsup:

[B147ch]

so lay it on me.. how much am i looking at for this setup?
soo sick of everyone saying "D for donkey" :P

[Lukezen27]

so lay it on me.. how much am i looking at for this setup?
soo sick of everyone saying "D for donkey" :P

thus far its cost me about $4000 max for 160kw at the fly :thumbsup:

[Limbo]

D + boosted = B series killer

lol

[B147ch]

w00t w00t..
i know what i'd take..!:cool:

[Lukezen27]

D + boosted = B series killer

lol

Or in Limbo's case B series Turbo = kills all :p

[fatboyz39]

Or in Limbo's case B series Turbo = kills all :p

so where are the 1/4 mile times?:cool: