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ALLMTR
16-08-2004, 10:24 PM
Just thought I'd update you guys on what is going on with ALLMTR. The Civic has been sold to a guy in QLD and I have just finished making a full size cardboard model of the Moke. It looks like it will be around 200kg's lighter than the Civic.

As for the motor, I'm off to the States next month to discuss the options with a few friends. I'm getting my Visa card extended prior to the trip

I'm starting to make the Moke now, so if anyone knows of a Moke front cut that no-one wants, let me know

Chi
17-08-2004, 09:12 AM
forgive my ignorance but what is a moke?

luzinit
17-08-2004, 10:32 AM
it is a mini chi.... is this ALLTMR project inspired from your newer model mini?

Setanta
17-08-2004, 07:12 PM
lol - it's not even a mini - imagine a mini clubman with a bonnet, floor, 4 seats and a rollcage :D Vinal roof, no doors or walls to it ;)

joneblaze
17-08-2004, 07:43 PM
LOL@pete...
Chuck, is that even considered a CAR? ;)
Good luck with your gear hunting in the US...

luzinit
17-08-2004, 08:13 PM
hahah... yeh ur rite pete haha, it actually looks like a lil golf buggy...... imagine flying down the 1/4 in that.. nuts! gl chuck

bennjamin
17-08-2004, 09:56 PM
lol...pushing the limits of the FWD NA class are we Chuck ?

:)

Weq
17-08-2004, 10:40 PM
dont see the respect in running a golf-buddy esque car down the quater with a big engine.
gl though!

Rowie
17-08-2004, 10:44 PM
when he lines you up at the strip and flies past... would he have your respect then? lol :P

MrPlow
17-08-2004, 10:52 PM
Serious? Next he will be strapping a k20 to his back and running down the 1/4 mile?

Chi
17-08-2004, 10:53 PM
Rofl @ Plow!!!

Rowie
17-08-2004, 10:57 PM
all i can say is power to weight.... if the moke is 200kg lighter than the civic and his goal is breaking the fastest FWD NA record, then what else would you suggest.

ALLMTR
18-08-2004, 06:23 AM
Too many people build their cars for "respect". I want the fastest FWD street car on the planet....this will do it. 200kg less and nearly twice the power :D

[[d a n n y]]
18-08-2004, 10:04 AM
sounds hectic

Weq
18-08-2004, 12:31 PM
when he lines you up at the strip and flies past... would he have your respect then? lol :P

no. i'll think how stupid he looks in such a small, feble car, which could be crushed by getting rear ended by a motorcycle. ALLMTR is a street car, the guted civic was pushing it, this is just :eek: wouldnt be caught dead taking my gf around in it.

if its got double the power, and there is some ingenuinity and creativity gone into the build. thenm i can repesct that.

ps. i have respect for TJM-555. sure its turbo, but its daily driven & practical.

ALLMTR
19-08-2004, 07:04 PM
Sorry I won't get your respect. I'm into drag racing, so I'll have to stick with the feble car.

Setanta
19-08-2004, 10:17 PM
A while ago I posted a thread in the lounge about attitudes on these forums and how they detract from the sense of community. I think this thread and the egos involved has just demonstrated this to a T.

Chuck has built and raced a 12 second all-motor Civic largely through his own ingenuity and cops bullshit like this.

I think a lot of people here need to get their egos under control. I can't believe this crap is being said.

Weq: you have my respect for what you have done with your car, but you are way out of line here. If you had any real knowledge of Chuck's 3G and even knew him then you would realise that the Civic wasn't a daily-driver - it was a strip car that was road-registered. What the hell makes you think that he would take chances with other people's lives.

I'm still shaking my head at this bullshit =(

Toby
20-08-2004, 12:05 AM
ALLMTR - best of luck with the next project......and smash those records :D

Weq
20-08-2004, 02:27 PM
A while ago I posted a thread in the lounge about attitudes on these forums and how they detract from the sense of community. I think this thread and the egos involved has just demonstrated this to a T.

Chuck has built and raced a 12 second all-motor Civic largely through his own ingenuity and cops bullshit like this.

I think a lot of people here need to get their egos under control. I can't believe this crap is being said.

Weq: you have my respect for what you have done with your car, but you are way out of line here. If you had any real knowledge of Chuck's 3G and even knew him then you would realise that the Civic wasn't a daily-driver - it was a strip car that was road-registered. What the hell makes you think that he would take chances with other people's lives.

I'm still shaking my head at this bullshit =(

im sorry im expressing my opinion. i'll stay out of it next time.
gl with achieving ur goals.

edit: i sounded like a dickhead iddnt i. sorry guys, thanks sentana

Rowie
20-08-2004, 02:28 PM
now now.... wheres the love :D

wynode
20-08-2004, 02:49 PM
Should be a beast!

Look forward to it and keep us posted Chuck!

carbine
21-08-2004, 11:59 AM
is it going to be 1962 streetable

or


2004 streetable?

ALLMTR
21-08-2004, 08:53 PM
I still got the love :D

I dont get what you mean, carbine?

Looks like I might have found a donor bodyshell :D

carbine
22-08-2004, 06:39 PM
Well cars in 1964 although legal then and now arent exactly comfortable. no aircon, ps, cd player or probaly radio for that matter.

ALLMTR
22-08-2004, 06:50 PM
Won't have air cond, wont need P steer and will be running IPOD :)

bizee_1
25-08-2004, 04:51 AM
...did he type "IPOD" ? iPOD controlled i-Vtec in iMoke hehhe
aussie sub 10sec all motor Honda ?
:D

ALLMTR
25-08-2004, 02:26 PM
...aussie sub 10sec all motor Honda ?
:D

Ah, no. Mine will be a street car on street tyres so those times won't happen. It should run well tho...

Denchy
01-09-2004, 08:14 PM
I have seen a moke with a rear mounted 4AGE 20V super charged and on the giggle gas freeky shit man not much between you and the tarmac or the cement wall :S you crazy dude but good luck with it.

Phantasm
01-09-2004, 08:30 PM
This sounds like a great project.
My gf has a 1974 mini clubman and i love scooting around in it.
Nothing quite like it, a much purer driving experience than my civic.
Its no slouch either at 600kg with a slightly modded 1.1L its a ripper to drive.
It makes you really think if you need all that sound deadening and other luxuries.

Maybe weq you feel intimidated by the moke?
Anyway you should respect the engineering that goes into such a car, not just dis it cause it wont be rolling on 20" chromies with a phat exhaust.

But that would be cool.

luzinit
02-09-2004, 02:26 AM
no. i'll think how stupid he looks in such a small, feble car,

...:eek: wouldnt be caught dead taking my gf around in it.



:wave: hahah thats what the S2000 and DC2R drivers were probably thinking when u beat em hehehehehe :) ... its easy to look at what U've done to ur car and bag it out - looks crap, handles crap, but u gotta give credit where credit is due..... u set a goal with ur car and achieved it, well done...... so did chuck, a much more challenging goal at that, so yeh.. :thumbdwn: with the negativity.

ALLMTR
02-09-2004, 02:58 PM
Change of plan. I am now the proud owner of a 1974 Civic!!!! It came along at the perfect time and it's recognised as a CAR!!!!! K24 + Old skool = :)

wynode
02-09-2004, 03:08 PM
Dammnn nice!

So going the full Hasport mount way eh? Are you going to weld in EG mounts and then go for the Hasports....... or ?

bizee_1
02-09-2004, 03:29 PM
Change of plan. I am now the proud owner of a 1974 Civic!!!! It came along at the perfect time and it's recognised as a CAR!!!!! K24 + Old skool = :)

gee i'd take stab in the dark and say IT is older than most of us on here !

Weq
02-09-2004, 10:58 PM
lol, im proud chuck :)

Setanta
03-09-2004, 06:27 AM
nice try Bizee - but some of us are older than a '74 Civic.

You know Chuck - I suggested the 1G a while back to you and you muttered something about wheelbase and how it wouldn't be a good strip car... :D:D:D

No fair that you found a '74 and I still can't find a reasonably priced '77 ;)

Good luck with it mate - I'd love to see if a K24 drops in... and the suspension work needed for the change in weight at the nose :) Might give me some ideas :)

ALLMTR
03-09-2004, 03:06 PM
Unfortunately this aint a "bolt in" mount kind of conversion. Quite a bit of modification just to get motor and box in there.
Yeah wheelbase is an issue but it should run good MPH hehehe
HOPEFULLY have some photos of the motor in situ next week

pornstar
03-09-2004, 03:53 PM
Hope u break 11s bud.

Anyone else want a group hug?

Setanta
03-09-2004, 04:10 PM
Chuck - try and track down a '78 or '79 front - the bonnet has better ventilation and the bonnet mount structure is more angled - might give you a few more cms to work with ;)

bizee_1
04-09-2004, 03:53 AM
nice try Bizee - but some of us are older than a '74 Civic.

well i did say "most"... twas trying to be discreet [read nice] ! :D

Anyone else want a group hug?
i'll give ya a hug pornstar, but, what was it you drive again ?? ;)

FYI, not sure of the accuracy, but the 0-60mph & 1/4 mile time of a 1974 Honda Civic is 15.7sec & 18.5sec respectively.
That's shouure to drop! :)
http://www.honda.co.jp/HOT/ModelData/civic/cv-ka1-210a/image/cvc02top.jpg

Setanta
04-09-2004, 08:25 AM
0-60 is wayyyyy out. My old '73 1170cc was about 12sec and a later 1226cc was 11 sec to 100km/h - in stock trim. My twin Dell 'Orto, mugen R1 cam, 73mm bore pistons, EN1 crank stroked EB2 motor with EN1 head pulled low 8s to 100 on a city turbo 5 speed... that is, after I went through 2 cracked heads from shaving it too much :D

Then again, I used to rev the crap out of those motors - damn they took some punishment.

BTW - the civic in the pic is a USDM Civic 1200 or Civic 1500 CVCC motor - the head was crap compared to the crossflow heads we got - it was one of the first changes Oscar Jackson made to his SBCs, going to a Canadian head instead of the USDM one. That's prolly why the figures are out on the 60mph figure. It always blew me away that a stock 1200 was quicker than a stock 1500... 1500s had cast iron blocks and no crossflow as I recollect though, the 1200 was an all alloy crossflow motor.

Setanta
04-09-2004, 08:31 AM
Hmmm... where's McChook when you need him - his dad fan a full Mugen quad-carb, dry sumped EB motor... god knows how fast it was to 100 - RS1200 gearbox with LSD I think.

ALLMTR
09-09-2004, 03:10 PM
Motor and box are in the car now. Gotta start on the mounts...

Rowie
09-09-2004, 06:10 PM
lets see some progress pics huh? :D

Setanta
10-09-2004, 08:13 AM
Chuck - do you think a B16 could be sqeezed in legally?

Rowie
10-09-2004, 10:33 AM
if he is doing a K24.... i dont see why not pete :D Might be a bit of work with mounts though.

You getting a 1st gen again pete?

ALLMTR
12-09-2004, 07:03 PM
Pete, Its hard to say without trying it. It aint as simple as measuring length and width but I know a K fits :)

Gotta go guys, off to the US shopping :D

wynode
12-09-2004, 08:45 PM
K20 or K24? I take it its all Hasport stuff?

McChook
12-09-2004, 09:13 PM
Hmmm... where's McChook when you need him - his dad fan a full Mugen quad-carb, dry sumped EB motor... god knows how fast it was to 100 - RS1200 gearbox with LSD I think.
How fast?? Oh, it was fast. and FARKING LOUD. Thing used to scream. And the car was sold to a kid with most of the good bits... as a street car.. :!:
But yeah, it was fast....

McChook
12-09-2004, 09:24 PM
By the way, a K24 won't fit in a '74 civic....

Setanta
13-09-2004, 01:06 AM
Hmmm... with Chuck, anything is possible. I'd put money on it :) BTW - I thought A B20 into a '80 was impossible - but it's been done as a CRVTEC. Dunno how legal the 1G will be though :D

tinkerbell
13-09-2004, 10:05 AM
By the way, a K24 won't fit in a '74 civic....

interesting use of the phrase "won't fit" :confused:

Rowie
13-09-2004, 04:48 PM
By the way, a K24 won't fit in a '74 civic....

You cant say something like that without explaining why not :D

Lets hear it :p

Setanta
13-09-2004, 10:19 PM
McChooks using logic and given the wealth of knowledge his family has on the 1G it's understandable 'cause the engine bay will take a SOHC 1500 or 1600, but are severely lacking in space for anything else... but knowing Chuck anything's possible. I'm going to reserve judgement and follow this one closely... I'd love to see him do it :)

wynode
13-09-2004, 10:31 PM
K20 vs K24 ........are we looking at purely a difference in stroke or a combination of larger bore and stroke?

(too lazy to look up K20 specs)

z10
13-09-2004, 11:48 PM
K20a2
Bore: 86mm
Stroke: 86mm
Deck height: 212mm
Rod length: 139mm
Intake Valve: 35.15mm
Exhaust Valve: 30.15mm
Compression Ratio: 11:1
Displacement: 1998cc
Power (bhp@rpm): 200@7000
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 142@6000

K24
Bore: 87mm
Stroke: 99mm
Compression Ratio: 9.6:1
Displacement: 2354cc
Power (bhp@rpm): 160@6000
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 162@3600

z10
13-09-2004, 11:53 PM
jdm k20a type R motor
Bore & Stroke : 86 x 86
Displacement : 1,998 cc
Compression ratio : 11.5
Power output : 220 ps / 8000rpm
Torque output : 21 kgm / 7,000 rpm
Power output per litre : 110 ps
Max rev : 8,400 rpm
VTEC cut in : 6,000 rpm
Spark plug : heat range 7
Throttle-body : Ø 62mm
Header collector : Ø 70mm
Exhaust pipe : Ø 54 mm
Muffler tip : Ø 90mm
Fuel Octane rating requirement : 100 RON

tinkerbell
14-09-2004, 10:15 AM
but are severely lacking in space for anything else... but knowing Chuck anything's possible

anything is possible with an angle grinder and some determination...

but i have heard chuck say the engine and gbox are actually in the car, so he may even be past this simple stage of getting it 'to fit'

McChook
14-09-2004, 10:49 PM
Sorry, That was dad's comment

Something to do with - its too long, and the flywheel would be over the wheel

Love to see it, but I kinda agree - I don't think it will fit

bennjamin
14-09-2004, 11:25 PM
just as long as it has a race header sticking thru the firewall...and twin mikuni setup :)

DynoDave
15-09-2004, 12:13 AM
just as long as it has a race header sticking thru the firewall...and twin mikuni setup :)
Do not laugh Chuck is on his way to the States to see Bisi and co and he is running webers on his record holding CRX dragcar. :D
Regards Dyno Dave

bennjamin
15-09-2004, 12:26 AM
Do not laugh Chuck is on his way to the States to see Bisi and co and he is running webers on his record holding CRX dragcar. :D
Regards Dyno Dave
Im not laughing at all Dave...Im very much hoping Chuck keeps the sense, runs this k24 non-vtec and some nice side mounted carbs...i know of a few US boys blowing up d's as we speak - but pulling quite nice numbers in the process :) If u talk to Chuck before he leaves ( left already ?!?) get him to say hi to Bizi and Will navaro :D

The K shall be thumping for sure :)

Will it be rev limited at all though ?
And...the carb idea - I "ALMOST" brought a twin mikuni setup from a friend in the US - ready for my d16a8 - but after asking the RTA this idea was deemed illegal for a EFI engien to be backward converted into mechanical injection(well , they told me) - so what for Chucks "streeter" gen 1 ? Woudl it past ADR's ? Would it pass SMOG tests ?Being carbed,would it run in a different class?

*too many questions...Chuck answer !* :wave:

ALLMTR
15-09-2004, 06:26 AM
By the way, a K24 won't fit in a '74 civic....

I love it when people say I cant do things.......ESPECIALLY when I have already done them :D

BTW :wave: from the US

Will talk more later....

Setanta
15-09-2004, 02:51 PM
just as long as it has a race header sticking thru the firewall...and twin mikuni setup :)

I used to own a Jackson Racing header for the 1G Civic EB motor. Fully tuned by Bassini, it was a 4-1 setup... it actually came out through space below the grille of the 1G Civic and then wrapped under the car - basically over and under the front crossmember. Sold them to McChooks dad - if he still has them, I want to buy them back ;)

McChook
15-09-2004, 07:02 PM
I used to own a Jackson Racing header for the 1G Civic EB motor. Fully tuned by Bassini, it was a 4-1 setup... it actually came out through space below the grille of the 1G Civic and then wrapped under the car - basically over and under the front crossmember. Sold them to McChooks dad - if he still has them, I want to buy them back ;)

Doubt it... I'll ask him though

And how the hell did it fit?? I'm gonna have to measure a K24 with box....

Rowie
15-09-2004, 09:27 PM
And how the hell did it fit?? I'm gonna have to measure a K24 with box....

There you go :D :wave:

ALLMTR
20-09-2004, 08:15 AM
Wahoo, got my Bogart fly wheels today :) Trying to get some cables and a shifter box as they may be hard to get in Aust.

Rowie
21-09-2004, 12:01 PM
when do you estimate it will be finished ? sounds like its going pretty fast :D

Per10d
08-10-2004, 08:30 PM
any updates ??

tinkerbell
16-10-2004, 08:01 PM
he's back in OZ, and is working on the car at the moment...