which motor is better ?

[r-r-redEuro]

as the title states, which motor is better the h22a or the K series k20/k24 ?

and can someone tel me the difference in between them ? which one has more potential ? k series or h22a ? power output KW/TORQUE ?

[EUR003act]

as the title states, which motor is better the h22a or the K series k20/k24 ?

and can someone tel me the difference in between them ? which one has more potential ? k series or h22a ? power output KW/TORQUE ?

K20A = 165kw / 215nm <-- CL7 EuroR

K20A2 = 147kw / 193nm <-- DC5 Integra

K20A3 = 119kw / 139nm

K20Z1 = 150kw / 194nm

K20Z2 = 114kw / 188nm

K20Z3 = 147kw / 189nm <-- '06 Civic Si

K20Z4 = 148kw / 193nm <-- FN2R

K24A2 = 150kw / 222nm <-- TSX

K24A3 = 140kw / 222nm <-- CL9 Euro

H22A = 164kw / 217nm

H22A4 = 142kw / 207nm

F20C = 179kw / 207nm (JDM)

F20C = 176kw / 207nm <-- S2000

F22C1 = 179kw / 220nm

K series has more potential, however being a newer engine, it costs alot more to buy parts for it :(

[CoupeTurbo]

s2000 has f20c ...

[JDM.Power]

K20A = 165kw / 215nm

K20A2 = 147kw / 193nm

K20A3 = 119kw / 139nm

K20Z1 = 150kw / 194nm

K20Z2 = 114kw / 188nm

K20Z3 = 147kw / 189nm

K20Z4 = 148kw / 193nm

K24A2 = 150kw / 222nm

K24A3 = 140kw / 222nm

H22A = 164kw / 217nm

H22A4 = 142kw / 207nm

K series has more potential, however being a newer engine, it costs alot more to buy parts for it :(
i also thought there was a K20 that has 176kw (used in the S2K ?)

thats the f20c mate. used in the s2k

[CoupeTurbo]

haha i win

[EUR003act]

thats the f20c mate. used in the s2k

haha thanks! post updated :D

[r-r-redEuro]

Thanks for that, because i got a mate who has a em1. but he's doing a h22a conversion keeping it N/A and wants 180 - 200kw atw.

I told him his better off with the K series engine but he said the h22a is the best engine from honda besides the f20c from s2000, but i want to be sure that i am correct because he is quite cocky when it comes to his car and also i dont want to sound stupid saying i dont know ><

Ive heard little about the h22a and know quite alot about the k series and their potential so thats why i ask this question and thanks for your input euroo3act. i just want some opinions from more people.
* looks at aaron or yfin * thanks =)

[CoupeTurbo]

good luck with 200wkw na

[panda[cRx]]

^ alot of americans seem to call them 'motor', hence the term 'all motor'

[Nepolian]

200kw n/a would just sound nuts on the street.

IMO both the H, B and K are good engines. Just depends on how deep your pocket is.

If your budget is limited I would look at a H + turbo as it would cost alot of $$ to get a n/a to hit 200kwatw.

Ultimately K is newer and more bits are available for it. But the cost of the engine is alot, let alone the conv.

Your mate should consider maybe buying a car with the mods done already. :)

[VT1-R]

good luck with 200wkw na

Agreed. "GOOD LUCK". FYI, Stock K20 make only about 140kw atw. Assuming the H22 hit this figure as well. Tell me how the *** with N/A u gonna hit 200wkw without taking out the amounts that can buy u an EVO10 next year? No sense, plus at 200wkw, u tyre spin for shit, and a 150wkw civic/integra can beat u easily off the line.

N/a is expensive, dun just say u wanna go N/a coz it sounds cool.

[teaseR]

Agreed. "GOOD LUCK". FYI, Stock K20 make only about 140kw atw. Assuming the H22 hit this figure as well. Tell me how the *** with N/A u gonna hit 200wkw without taking out the amounts that can buy u an EVO10 next year? No sense, plus at 200wkw, u tyre spin for shit, and a 150wkw civic/integra can beat u easily off the line.

N/a is expensive, dun just say u wanna go N/a coz it sounds cool.


where did u get that statement from?

[Limbo]

i was at a dyno on sat and a cat back, with intake k20a only made 113kw atw.
Whilst another with cams made 131kw atw
Both look like pretty good dc5rs

Where did you pull the rest from?

[EUR003act]

Agreed. "GOOD LUCK". FYI, Stock K20 make only about 140kw atw. Assuming the H22 hit this figure as well. Tell me how the *** with N/A u gonna hit 200wkw without taking out the amounts that can buy u an EVO10 next year? No sense, plus at 200wkw, u tyre spin for shit, and a 150wkw civic/integra can beat u easily off the line.

N/a is expensive, dun just say u wanna go N/a coz it sounds cool.

pretty sure stock K20 (FN2R / DC5R) only ake around 105-110atw...

and ive had this disussion with people before... yes i know you could buy an evo or a wrx and run 18psi and smash any n/a honda... but every rich daddys boy has a boosted rex/evo... what if these guys want to different? something special... i dont want a car that was made for hundreds of thousands of people, i want something custom made for me!

[Mattski_VTIR]

Agreed. "GOOD LUCK". FYI, Stock K20 make only about 140kw atw. Assuming the H22 hit this figure as well.

Its easy to get confused mate, but depends on the Dyno! I have seen a new civic type R make 140kw on a Hub dyno. Generally though, 110/115kw ATW is what a K20 puts down. U can easily get over 140kw atw with I/H/E/Kpro and a GOOD tune on an un-opened motor.

[r-r-redEuro]

Yeah my mate has deep pockets and i mean deeeeeep pockets. lol he's willing do whatever it takes to make his em1 the fastest N/A car in australia :S.

And he is looking at about 180 - 200kw atw. i told him goodluck as because of how much $$ he is needed to do so but he doesnt care, thats how deep his pockets are.

But no one quite seemed to answer the question which " engine " is better the H series or K series.

I know both seem to pull out quite simliar figures but which one would be better in terms of modded deeply with no turbo keeping it N/A.

It doesnt have to be about money just which engine is better to mod to reach its full potential.

My mate is practically going to buy an engine he's gonna strip it down and change everything the cams, pistons manifold etc to make it fast, thats why i ask which one would be more ideal and better imo i reckon the K series but i am bias becaue i dont know much about the H series so thats why i ask again which one is better and reasons :(

[VT1-R]

where did u get that statement from?

many apologies!!! i meant stock K20 with bolt ons and tune made up to maximum 140kw atw that i ever heard of. Sorry ppl...

See, this proves that hitting 180kw atw is god damn difficult!!..

[aaronng]

Yeah my mate has deep pockets and i mean deeeeeep pockets. lol he's willing do whatever it takes to make his em1 the fastest N/A car in australia :S.

Fastest N/A car in Australia? He does realise that Ferraris are N/A as well?

[r-r-redEuro]

lol okay aaron you know what i mean.. lol something thats in this league lol not prestige like ferraris lol

[z3lda]

Agreed. "GOOD LUCK". FYI, Stock K20 make only about 140kw atw. Assuming the H22 hit this figure as well. Tell me how the *** with N/A u gonna hit 200wkw without taking out the amounts that can buy u an EVO10 next year? No sense, plus at 200wkw, u tyre spin for shit, and a 150wkw civic/integra can beat u easily off the line.

N/a is expensive, dun just say u wanna go N/a coz it sounds cool.

its not hard
there's a 170kw NA h22a running around melb. daily driven :thumbsup:

with a set of quads and a re-tune, figures close to 200kws doesnt seem so far fetched for an NA h22

[CoupeTurbo]

on a high reading dyno yes.

[Vinnie]

its not hard
there's a 170kw NA h22a running around melb. daily driven :thumbsup:

with a set of quads and a re-tune, figures close to 200kws doesnt seem so far fetched for an NA h22

ide like to know what hes done and, more importantly, how much it has all cost him tho ;)

like the rh9 gtr's, its been proven that if you have enough money you can go very fast :p

[Nepolian]

Yeah my mate has deep pockets and i mean deeeeeep pockets. lol he's willing do whatever it takes to make his em1 the fastest N/A car in australia :S.

And he is looking at about 180 - 200kw atw. i told him goodluck as because of how much $$ he is needed to do so but he doesnt care, thats how deep his pockets are.

But no one quite seemed to answer the question which " engine " is better the H series or K series.

I know both seem to pull out quite simliar figures but which one would be better in terms of modded deeply with no turbo keeping it N/A.

It doesnt have to be about money just which engine is better to mod to reach its full potential.

My mate is practically going to buy an engine he's gonna strip it down and change everything the cams, pistons manifold etc to make it fast, thats why i ask which one would be more ideal and better imo i reckon the K series but i am bias becaue i dont know much about the H series so thats why i ask again which one is better and reasons :(


If he has that kinda $$ go buy a crate stroker all ready to go from TODA or similar and bolt on quads etc...etc......that will get him easy 200kwatw :)

[BlitZ]

Fastest N/A car in Australia? He does realise that Ferraris are N/A as well?

Farraris aren't that fast..

:thumbdwn:

[BlitZ]

if he has that souhgt of money he is best to buy a NSX-T motor and convert that into the civic

[VT1-R]

If he is that rich, seriously, do what Blitz said, buy NSX motor and turbo and put into civic. In long run cheaper than messing around with H22 or K20.

Back to topic, I think since $$ not a problem, get K20 and mod it into a monster with cams & valve train package, top of range I/H/E, ECU, tuning and more. H22 is for the budget minded as its parts are cheaper etc.

[teh_mechanic]

the H series is a bit of a dying breed,but dont get me wrong you can make them fast and it would be possible to hit 180kw at wheels.

But especially since you say money is no problem,k series imo is the way to go.
You say he wants to be the fastest N/A...that doesnt come from a power figure,ive been in H22's that fry tyres off the line and go nowhere and they had well well well less than 200kw,sure money definitely comes into it,but it also takes knowledge,testing,suspension setup etc etc.
Everyone is obsessed about power figures....we have a handful of aussie hondas doing 11's n/a now,nissans with over twice that power struggle to get 11's.
Id go a k24 if he wants to be fastest na...in the end its what type of car he wants,the h22 is prob more aggressive but dying in parts and everyones already found the ways to make them go fast,been there done that, but the k is smoother and i believe ultimately quicker and development is still underway,if he goes hard enough and tests enough stuff he could be very quick

[r-r-redEuro]

Like i said before he doesnt want to turbo it and i was talking to him today and he said he just bought a h22a and is waiting on some other parts for the engine like pistons or cams or something.

i told him to get a k series but his quite reluctant and saying its shit compared to the H series so meh. = ="

but thank you teh_mechanic for your opinion on which one would be more ideal H or K that was all i was asking but people just kept saying, figures or tell my mate to turbo it = =" i just want to know which one is better :S

[EUR003act]

euro's come with k-series... so ofcourse k-series are the best! :p

[K20aCivic]

K20A = 165kw / 215nm <-- CL7 EuroR

K20A2 = 147kw / 193nm <-- DC5 Integra

K20A3 = 119kw / 139nm

K20Z1 = 150kw / 194nm

K20Z2 = 114kw / 188nm

K20Z3 = 147kw / 189nm <-- '06 Civic Si

K20Z4 = 148kw / 193nm <-- FN2R

K24A2 = 150kw / 222nm <-- TSX

K24A3 = 140kw / 222nm <-- CL9 Euro

H22A = 164kw / 217nm

H22A4 = 142kw / 207nm

F20C = 179kw / 207nm (JDM)

F20C = 176kw / 207nm <-- S2000

F22C1 = 179kw / 220nm

K series has more potential, however being a newer engine, it costs alot more to buy parts for it :(


are all this figures at the flywheels? just been curious:p

[aaronng]

Can't you tell? :p

[EUR003act]

are all this figures at the flywheels? just been curious:p

lol yeah they are all at the fly...

except for K24A3 - theyre 140kw atw ;) hahaha gotta love the euro

[defect]

Can't you tell? :p

I dont know what your talking about but I see like all "K"s :]
hmmmmmm.. dont need a genius to figure which is better and has more potenial
as for your friend, he's got money to spend, but wouldnt say heaps.
cause end of the day, he is doing a H series.

You go K if your on balling status :>

[Vti-Arh]

Yeah my mate has deep pockets and i mean deeeeeep pockets. lol he's willing do whatever it takes to make his em1 the fastest N/A car in australia :S.

And he is looking at about 180 - 200kw atw. i told him goodluck as because of how much $$ he is needed to do so but he doesnt care, thats how deep his pockets are.

But no one quite seemed to answer the question which " engine " is better the H series or K series.

I know both seem to pull out quite simliar figures but which one would be better in terms of modded deeply with no turbo keeping it N/A.

It doesnt have to be about money just which engine is better to mod to reach its full potential.

My mate is practically going to buy an engine he's gonna strip it down and change everything the cams, pistons manifold etc to make it fast, thats why i ask which one would be more ideal and better imo i reckon the K series but i am bias becaue i dont know much about the H series so thats why i ask again which one is better and reasons :(

is he a p plater or sumthing?
is that why hes sticking to n/a

anyway the h ad k motors are both sick engines.
if you say hes as rich as he says he is tell him to go for the "k" series.

[VTECMACHINE]

K20a.

[redinteg]

k24/20 Frankenstein?

[r-r-redEuro]

is he a p plater or sumthing?
is that why hes sticking to n/a

anyway the h ad k motors are both sick engines.
if you say hes as rich as he says he is tell him to go for the "k" series.

LOL um, this thread was dated back to like end of last year. why are you digging up old threads.

mod close this thread ive found my answer =).

[EUR003act]

k24/20 Frankenstein?

hahaha K-series times two mutha f*ckers!

now thats a serious engine :D :thumbsup:

yes, old old thread... people need to read dates lol

[Crapdaz]

the one that comes in the mitsubishi sigmaZZZzzzzz!

K serieeeeeZ b*tch3z

[Type R Positive]

Fastest N/A car in Australia? He does realise that Ferraris are N/A as well?They not that fast. :p