turbo vs na

[vti_ek9]

well....
anewayz....how many of u honda fans hav beat a turbo car...???
i luv my lil blue civic vti..but i also luv my rexy and find it hard to believe that sum ppl sai they beat a rex....
i've raced about 10 hondas all2etha.....u name it..i raced it all....dc2....dc5.....civic type r....vtir's...all off them....and yet i haven't lost once....the only close match to a rexy is the type r...it does keep up...but won't past me....i even raced a dc5 on rolling...and i pulled away on second gear...
don't get me wrong....i think hondas r mad for na cars...my friend just brought a dc2r and i'm dying to race him....i'm not saying hondas r slow or anything...
mayb those guys is rexys r newbie drivers.....a full launch in a rex will instantly give it a 1 1/2 - 2 cars lengths already....
and yes i know a type r will beat a wrx on a curcuit....but it won't beat a sti!
please share your experience that you honda dudes hav had with turbo cars....
thanks.... :)

[[[d a n n y]]]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7153

heres mine..

i neva did kill a rexy but i have kept up with 1

the pre my00 shape.

[pornstar]

what does the back or side of ur rex look like? I only see the front from the rear view, lucky objects appear closer in the mirror or else id never be able to tell what it looks like being so far back :P

[pornstar]

civex98 might be able to tell u how slow rexes are :)

[Weq]

the street is different from the drags. i havnt lost 2 one, but only a few have launched on me.

[SPEEDCORE]

It really depends on the situation dude....... Green Light Gran Prix or at the drags of course the rex is gonna be a beast.

My experience at QR "Sprint" days (so more time orrientated as opposed to full grid formation starts and race) is that WRXs can be made to be quite quick and more so the STI....... though they still struggle to make "Consistant Quick" lap times. My view is that the Saturday sprints at QR are done on the shorter "Sprint Track" which is quite technical and cars that are not overtly adgile tend to struggle a bit, HP isn't so much of an issue on this track. If it was the national double horseshoe track that the V8 Supercars run the Scoobies would be a very very tough car to beat if at all beatable.

The QR sprint track in my opinion is a haven for hondas..... very good track for them.

[SIKCVC]

Yeah I've beaten a rex... the guy pulled up next to me and said "WTF you got man, that things mean!"

it was a rolling start though. Both pulled around a corner onto the main road and booted it... I even took it easy round the corner so we could launch together.

it was a my98... the only legal one On P's in victoria. His only draw back was he had a passenger.

I thought I was gonna get owned but nah had him.

Also beaten some really rare Nissan... cant remember what it is, but theres litterally like 3 in Aus.

[SIKCVC]

Oh and man... how can you have a VTi EK9....

[vti_ek9]

ahaha...i know....i can ride my bike faster than my ek9....i didn't knoe shit bout hondas when untill i got mine....i soo regret buying it....i should've got vtir coupe.....there sooo nice...
ohh with my rex.....i only street race....can't to bothered going to calder n all dat....cause it's too far from where i amm...

SIKCVC____wat car u got??...civic wat?

[gelo]

i think a civic vti is not an ek9

but thats just me :P

[Ceffo]

im about to get a suzuki swift cino 1L and am gonna beat everybody.. :D

in fuel mileage that is.

600k's to the tank.. :D

[|N|]

i reckon it really depends on the driver... i thinhk ard 2 yrs ago ... at mooney mooney if any of u guys know where that is... i over took an sti on the turn ... and he only manage to keep up with me on the straigh.... but no on turns...
might just be a shit driver in that sti...

[SIKCVC]

I wouldn't worry about what car Ive got Id be more woried about what you've got... an EK9 should keep up with me... You more than likly have a VTi not a Type R! especially since your saying you should have gotten a VtiR coupe... which is heaps slower than a Type R.

Whats the chasis no for Vti isn't it EK3?

PS I dont have a Type R.

[|N|]

vtir is not that much slower then type r.. with a gd driver... can beat type R...

[SIKCVC]

what if theres a good driver in the type R... then whats gonna happen hahaha.

Dont just say, you'll win with a good driver... we're talking Car Vs Car not a driving match.

[|N|]

yea i know.. but in a track .. i reckon skills is much more important... a gutless driver with no skills aint gonna do any good on traack...
:D

[Weq]

|N|, this topic was clearly started on street/straight line performance. track is irrelivant. On the street, it doesnt matter weathr ur car runs a 11sec pass on the track, it matters what ur car runs at then for how ever many meters.

[pornstar]

yep, that said, on the street most ppl cant drive :)

[vti_ek9]

i neva said i had a type r..i've got a 4 door 98 model vti...dats called a ek9 rite?....

[SPEEDCORE]

Pop your bonnet and have a look at the VIN ....... I'm sure you will not see a 9 after the EK.

Best stick with your Subbies man! :p

[Da1nONLY]

I've raced 2 WRX's so far...and out of the 2 races ive won both!.
btw, i drive a stock DC2r.

1st Race: Me Vs MY99 WRX with an exhaust. (Red Some Lebo Driver)
of the launch he had by about 1 car length.
shifted to 2nd gear i pulled even with him.
3rd gear i slowly pulled away.....
4th gear he gave up...

2nd Race: Me Vs MY01 WRX also with an exhaust.
Even of the launch,
shifted to 2nd i pulled away
and from then on its bye bye..

The feeling of beating Turbo cars is mad! =P.
especially in a N/A =)

[SIKCVC]

It is cool when you hear the turbo/intercooler whine and its NA all the way on your own car.

[Kit]

at the end of the day, a stock rexie isnt that fast in terms of ingear acceleration due to its 4wd system. its the launch that gets you, also due to its 4wd system.

9/10 traffic light grand prix's don't involve a wrx launching.
to get max acceleration, you really need to dump the clutch at near redline revs... very effective and breaking gearboxes.

[pornstar]

but on the street, 4wd launches if ur hard on them and can accept their consequences own :(

meh, sif have an excuses, i just turn up da boost :)

[SIKCVC]

WRX arn't the greatest cars in the world... infact I've already made my descision on the matter and I'm still driving the civic. I know to many people that like to blow 2nd.

[jko2]

yeah rexes have a slow 3rd and above, but driving it quick (pretty much any turbo car actually) is much easier than a NA. you don't need to rev the guts outta the engine to go anywhere. but yeah, after revving the guts out of a strong vtec equipped car and seeing how quick it is, is quite impresive.

[monstaR]

Hey just this morn, was driving into the city for work (road was clear bout 640 in the morning), this bug eyed rex (lol) tried to be funny and he got kicked in the ass........ then he got persistant again at the next traffic light on hoddle street and got stuffed again. Hence I totally agree with pornstar that this rexes never give us a chance to check out what the back of of it looks like. "hey my mum drives the rex to the market, slow car for slow drivers". :D

[pornstar]

hey im speeeeshal, i got bold for my name :)

[monstaR]

oh ya had 17s on as well

[dc2r]

i raced the older rex... pre-my00 (long lights)

anyway... we didn't launch but hit it at the same time on 1st... dunno y but i killed him with my stock dc2r... he did a loser fly-by after i tapped the brakes though, just to show i'm slowing down... i was about a car in front...

different wrx - my03 or my04... modded with exhaust and i could hear spooling and loud BOV... he jumped half a car at start and by my 2nd gear he was a car length in front... i shifted third and he slowed down... i knew i would get owned but i wanted to see how close 3rd can pull me in... if it could pull him back in (coz 3rd is strongest gear in type-r)... oh well... :)

[JNA]

Weq, were you the red honda that gave a red rex a run onto the M5 a couple of weeks ago?

[tekling]

you cant really compare 2 different leagues

[Weq]

Weq, were you the red honda that gave a red rex a run onto the M5 a couple of weeks ago?

possibly.. i was racing mrjdm for a while and a rexxy took interest. but our only encouter was the corner at the on-ramp to the m5, and with his 4wd grip :) i couldnt match that shit! i tried to coax him into another race but he wasnt upto it!

[soon2b300hp]

hey guys, i just got my car back from online its putting close to 130hp at the wheels now i dont think its that much. but with the mods i have it is pretty decent. since i have raced a club spec evo 2 wrx we were both rolling and it was second gear and put a car and a hlf in front by the top of third gear. then later that night i had an encounter with an rs liberty turbo he had me from the start he had me not by much and by the top of third gear i was pulling in front of him. *and when i slowed to give him the thumbs up and show him my cheesy grin... he decided to slow to and not come next to me*.... there is good and bad in every race... and thats my theory aout turbo and N/A

[joneblaze]

hey guys, i just got my car back from online its putting close to 130hp at the wheels now i dont think its that much. but with the mods i have it is pretty decent. since i have raced a club spec evo 2 wrx we were both rolling and it was second gear and put a car and a hlf in front by the top of third gear. then later that night i had an encounter with an rs liberty turbo he had me from the start he had me not by much and by the top of third gear i was pulling in front of him. *and when i slowed to give him the thumbs up and show him my cheesy grin... he decided to slow to and not come next to me*.... there is good and bad in every race... and thats my theory aout turbo and N/A
Mate do you have an EK hatch and enjoy wearing a trucker cap? :)

[soon2b300hp]

yeah thats me... y?

[joneblaze]

Oh nothing, just saw you speeding recklessly down George St near Chinatown a little while back... you were going so fast you couldnt stop in time for the upcoming red light and had to screech to an abrupt, and slightly loud and embarassing, halt. :)
Even before a jug or two it was slightly amusing!

[soon2b300hp]

yeah that is a long story.... i was speeding to get away from some morons that wanted to start a fight with me and my g/f (4 guys vs a girl and a guy... doesn't make sense)... then they swerved to hit my car... i was going to go through the the orange light as i recall it light but then... i kinda clicked it and jumped on the abs (gotta love that) and wanted to see what the fcuk they wanted.... its a lot more involved.. but its really of this topic.... sorry...

[joneblaze]

Really? Shit, that's farked dude. Thought you were just having a hoon.. lol.

[soon2b300hp]

donnt worry i do have to lock up the brakes every now and then.... hahahah but tht night... because of heros.... today because i thought i was @ mt panorama lol

[JNA]

possibly.. i was racing mrjdm for a while and a rexxy took interest. but our only encouter was the corner at the on-ramp to the m5, and with his 4wd grip :) i couldnt match that shit! i tried to coax him into another race but he wasnt upto it!

Hehe, I was that shit. That was the first time I've seen a Honda turbo. I never thought of doing it to my old prelude. It must be real challenge putting the power down under 100. I'm sure you chomp lots of standard rexies in third gear.

I don't mind giving it a squirt onto the freeway but don't race on street. I use circut to get it out of my system.

Let me know if you go for a cruise in the shire. I would like to check out that car some day.

[Weq]

ahhh crazy. howd u find me? what mods have u done to the rexxy? yeah well just checkout our events section, most weeks we have something on! ur more then welcome to come and say hi!

[ginganggooly]

hey guys, i just got my car back from online its putting close to 130hp at the wheels now i dont think its that much. but with the mods i have it is pretty decent. since i have raced a club spec evo 2 wrx we were both rolling and it was second gear and put a car and a hlf in front by the top of third gear. then later that night i had an encounter with an rs liberty turbo he had me from the start he had me not by much and by the top of third gear i was pulling in front of him. *and when i slowed to give him the thumbs up and show him my cheesy grin... he decided to slow to and not come next to me*.... there is good and bad in every race... and thats my theory aout turbo and N/A

remember the grey integra from victoria rd? :D

[luzinit]

well, more details plz ? lol!!

[wynode]

haha This is interesting......fill us in Slim :)

[ginganggooly]

bahahaha. it wasn't anything sinister or anything!!
come on, for once i'm not trying to incite mass forum violence and you guys are egging me on :D

in all seriousness, just had a few tiny squirts with him on victoria rd, and he asked me to go to ozhonda. i love the sound of a b16a with a nice loud intake. makes me wanna take my airbox cover off and forget about the 5kw loss... the sound is pretty much worth it :)

[vti_ek9]

stock dc2r beat a stock rex...
i don't think soo....my friend just brough a dc2r....and it's nicely modified....headers...lightend flywhelel....2.5inch stainless exaust..and forgot wat else...
and my other friend just has muffler n tip...filter n boosted 1 pound...no way can he beat the rex on take off..he could not catch up...nor on rolling...but it's very close...the rex slowly pulls away on roll...
do you believe this....A REX HAS LONGER GEAR RATIOS??..believe it or not...gear 4 in a type r will not reach 200..in a rex it will...
if you don't believe me.....anyone with a type r can pm me and we can organise sumfing just to prove what i'm saying is true....
cheers

[JNA]

ahhh crazy. howd u find me? what mods have u done to the rexxy? yeah well just checkout our events section, most weeks we have something on! ur more then welcome to come and say hi!

The link in your signature is a giveaway. Also noticed a ozhonda.com sticker on the back of a civic. Took me a couple of minutes to workout where all Honda's came from.

Re. engine I have changed the turbo, intercooler, computer, exhaust & air induction. Suspension and brakes have also been modified for street/track. Everything looks and sounds standard so no one looks twice.

[soon2b300hp]

bahahaha. it wasn't anything sinister or anything!!
come on, for once i'm not trying to incite mass forum violence and you guys are egging me on :D

in all seriousness, just had a few tiny squirts with him on victoria rd, and he asked me to go to ozhonda. i love the sound of a b16a with a nice loud intake. makes me wanna take my airbox cover off and forget about the 5kw loss... the sound is pretty much worth it :)

and dont forget it was also double demerits... it was fun though!
have u run ur car at the creek yet?

[Weq]

The link in your signature is a giveaway. Also noticed a ozhonda.com sticker on the back of a civic. Took me a couple of minutes to workout where all Honda's came from.

Re. engine I have changed the turbo, intercooler, computer, exhaust & air induction. Suspension and brakes have also been modified for street/track. Everything looks and sounds standard so no one looks twice.

ahhk cool. yeah i heard that turbo spool and it didnt sound standard. wish i coulda got a better run in, lol, but that corner != fwd traction :)

[CivicOnBoost]

stock dc2r beat a stock rex...
i don't think soo....my friend just brough a dc2r....and it's nicely modified....headers...lightend flywhelel....2.5inch stainless exaust..and forgot wat else...
and my other friend just has muffler n tip...filter n boosted 1 pound...no way can he beat the rex on take off..he could not catch up...nor on rolling...but it's very close...the rex slowly pulls away on roll...
do you believe this....A REX HAS LONGER GEAR RATIOS??..believe it or not...gear 4 in a type r will not reach 200..in a rex it will...
if you don't believe me.....anyone with a type r can pm me and we can organise sumfing just to prove what i'm saying is true....
cheers

Dude i have beaten heaps of WRX's, r32 and 33 skylines, 180's and silvias as well as numerous v8's and also a R32 Golf in my stock DC5R both rolling and off the line. :eek:

And let me tell you i get all of them in the gear changes. I dunno about DC2R doing 200 in 4th but i know my DC5R pulls hard to the top of 5th which is a fair bit over 200 :p

[vti_ek9]

civiconboost....is your dc5r a jdm version???
my friends dc2r is 160kw at engine...
care for a run with him?....
i'll b very interesting......he beat a gt s15 on rolling....
and if you beat him..you can race the rexy...rolling and launch...
..hehe..
:)
ohh yer and i neva been to the end off 5th gear...thats like doing 250ks on princess highway?..dats carzy dude....max i go to is like....200...
and i believe when going 0-200ks....that would be well ova quarter mile...
:cool:

[pornstar]

not for me :P

[EG5]

this thread is real funny .
why dont u guys run at WSiD and compare you guys timeslip.
end of story.

[wynode]

yes........this thread is old la!

[tekling]

its easier for a rex to bog in take off..thats probably why you guys can catch them.....

[toE]

this thread is real funny .
why dont u guys run at WSiD and compare you guys timeslip.
end of story.

:thumbsup:

[pgclee]

actually this really bothers me now...
i actually who had a friend, running no boost in his REX...a year 98 ones, just with Falken semi slicks...he did a 1:57 in PI....
i never see any ITR or CTR doing that kinda time...clearly that turbo have it's own advantage...and NA have it's own fun...why people love to argue over turbo and NA?...

infact, i think that it you own a turbo car, don't always go and mess around with all the NA's because they are not much to push around nowadays...HAhahaha...
to tell you all hornestly, what kinda Skill can you find when you drive straight?...
Track is a much better place to play around....

and for pornstar...wei...don't bully la...i know you fast la...hahahaha....

[EG5]

jacob chang from ART melb did 1:55 with his dc2 type R
read those old skool speed magazine dude

[pornstar]

eg5, his point is that its not stock....whereas the turbo wrx is stock? im not sure.

but I agree each has its own good and bad points, but if you wanna know a reality, it all depends on the track, on slow tracks where power isnt an issue as much as handling, then turbo advantage is decreased.

Got o PI and actuallly have a drive, you will see why higher powered cars own on that track.

and I dont bully anyone mr pgclee!

[pgclee]

eg5, Read more on what he has done....Pw FC, suspension, cam phase, all those "cornering needed product", lighten body, RE 540, huge calipers and disc, Tb done, port polish..bla bla bla...
the Rex was stock....don't compare that with a stock...
if a DC2 = Stock can it time 1:57 on PI?i don't think so, i is just around low 1:59 or high 1:58 the best....even myself driving a honda reckon that can't be done...thought i'm a big honda fan...that is just assuming time...cos i did a low 2 min on PI stock car...so i think DC5 can do much better...

thru time, i start to understand that if you wanna compare, compare it with the same class...1.8 to 1.8...don't always compare a done up car with a stocky...i think is not fair lor...that how i feel lor...

[Lyle_Style]

I have killed a few rexies, Yes i admit stis are quick cars but the standard ones dont really have nothin.
Taken into consideration i have put many $$$ into my car and i have only just beaten a few blinged out or pretty stocko wrxs. I have a D15b7 motor with standard internals running 9lbs in a sedan.
1st was a older one comeing out of a round about beat him through 1st and 2nd gear.
2nd was on the highway in 3rd & 4th gear which i only just pulled away from.

[pgclee]

corners are diff mate...may b that guy drop his "teabag" while watching you taking those marvelous corners...hehehe...

but seriously, you haven't met one really crazy and quick 4wd b4...even i have a really really hard time tailing him..hahaha...but then, if you rival is a Porsche turbo, you'll be surprise how they tailgate you...HAHAHHAa...was tailgated by this Porsche at KEW ones, man...that was fun, i'm into corner around 100, he comes with me, 120,he also stays there...then i start wonder, am i really slow, or he's pushing hard as well...hahaha....but was fun...ultimate experience...hope to meet that guy another time...

[poweredbyhonda]

At the end of the day, N/A is gay. Boost it, or lose it.

[pgclee]

At the end of the day, N/A is gay. Boost it, or lose it.


You're wrong...thats because sometime Turbo drivers thinks that they are soo fast, and so proud of their "WHoshie" sound... till one fine day if they got tailgate by a N/A...then they'll be surprise...

poweredbyhonda, you're attacking every NA driver here..haha...may be you said that because you own a 10 sec car...haha..if you own that, i have nothing to say but to keep my mouth shut..ahahahha... :D

[vti_ek9]

"You're wrong...thats because sometime Turbo drivers thinks that they are soo fast, and so proud of their "WHoshie" sound... till one fine day if they got tailgate by a N/A...then they'll be surprise..."

if dat happend 2 me....i just hav 2 press sum lil buttons den......see ya later....
yes i admit....
type r is faster on track den a wrx...but i think sti should beat a type r on track...then comes the nsx....which absulotely rapes the sti on track...
but on the straight line princess highway drag...hehe...rex+good driver is very hard 2 get beaten by a honda.... no offence....i'm just stateing my own opion and personal experiences....

http://firesport.ipspace.com/?section=item&action=show&id=11537

i raced this dude.....
mods i got is....fmic...3inch full exaust...cai....bov...and boosted to 15psi...(stock rex is 14psi).....and i beat him...

he did keep up but did not pass me....
i was very suprized he could keep up as i did drop the clutch at around 6000rpm

[pornstar]

I dont know any NA car that will tailgate him tho pgclee.... his cars fast.


press 2 little buttons? is one for flush and one for half flush?

[type one]

the only thing i could beat in the days when my car was modified was EVERYTHING (except this one nasty GTR) hahahaha even out of vtec launch... in and out of a straight lines and corners... through red lights and up hills - i have seen it all...

even a V8 Torana hahaha... that thing was FASTTTTTT....

[poweredbyhonda]

poweredbyhonda, you're attacking every NA driver here..haha...may be you said that because you own a 10 sec car...haha..if you own that, i have nothing to say but to keep my mouth shut..ahahahha... :D

Hehehe I'll be lucky to break the 12's. Thumbs up to the "R" but it aint enough to beat F/I, as N/A can't produce the same power output F/I can offer. Which is why I built my car to beat those damn turbo charged 4wd things they call a Rex! Damn Wrexies!

[pgclee]

Hehehe I'll be lucky to break the 12's. Thumbs up to the "R" but it aint enough to beat F/I, as N/A can't produce the same power output F/I can offer. Which is why I built my car to beat those damn turbo charged 4wd things they call a Rex! Damn Wrexies!


Oh yea....hahaha...hump those Rexes like an animal dude...
yer....all are playing with Buttons already..i also want...

andy...show me the engine.....i wan to go fast also...my car is too slow...i also wan 12 sec as well...

these days...soo many Woshhing going on the streets...hope i don't bump into Andy on highway..if not, he'll teach me wats soo good bout turbo...hahahhaa...

to those R's out there...don't let those Woshhhhing scard you off...you still have a chance on track...or mountain pass...Mt. Dan!...yea...apparently there is this ITR Beli fast there wor...that's what i've heard la...beat alot of 4WD and turbo's there...i not sure it's true or not..doesn't sound rite to be...haha..

i just wonder anyway interested to go Mt. Dan for a slow cruise ar...haha...just go 60km/h thru out and enjoy the view...with your gal ofcourse...hahaha...
Mr' Pornstar, when you wanna cruise there with me ar...we go slow there la...60km/h i promise...hahahhaa...let me engine take some fresh air...hahaha...hmm..anyone interested?

[pornstar]

haha pgclee, u coulda come with us on our other ones, we go much faster than that ;)

that engine si so damn cheap man, I open the intake plenum and magic man, quad intake TB, with restrictor plates and everything!


but u gotta get lower CR pistons man, no way they can run on street petrol. haha

my car is slow now man :(

[pgclee]

i'm a slow driver dude....sad...i go below the speed limit...my speedo shows a 0km/h but the police caught me for speeding..i don't know why...sad...

[silvia200sx]

stock dc2r beat a stock rex...
i don't think soo....my friend just brough a dc2r....and it's nicely modified....headers...lightend flywhelel....2.5inch stainless exaust..and forgot wat else...
and my other friend just has muffler n tip...filter n boosted 1 pound...no way can he beat the rex on take off..he could not catch up...nor on rolling...but it's very close...the rex slowly pulls away on roll...
do you believe this....A REX HAS LONGER GEAR RATIOS??..believe it or not...gear 4 in a type r will not reach 200..in a rex it will...
if you don't believe me.....anyone with a type r can pm me and we can organise sumfing just to prove what i'm saying is true....
cheers

yeh i agree bcoz i reckon a type r is not made for stright line tho, its good for corners and track more than straight line plus it is turbo vs n/a, a 200sx vs rex is much better match bcoz i had beaten modded rexies in my modded s14 but all in all it is so much easier to mod a turbo than n/a, but now i get killed by everyone, except for corners...hehehehe

i reckon all these fours are good cars and i have heard rex does not hold boost after 100km/h....speed magazine says it with te new sti!

[pgclee]

Originally Posted by vti_ek9
stock dc2r beat a stock rex...
i don't think soo....my friend just brough a dc2r....and it's nicely modified....headers...lightend flywhelel....2.5inch stainless exaust..and forgot wat else...
and my other friend just has muffler n tip...filter n boosted 1 pound...no way can he beat the rex on take off..he could not catch up...nor on rolling...but it's very close...the rex slowly pulls away on roll...
do you believe this....A REX HAS LONGER GEAR RATIOS??..believe it or not...gear 4 in a type r will not reach 200..in a rex it will...
if you don't believe me.....anyone with a type r can pm me and we can organise sumfing just to prove what i'm saying is true....
cheers


To vti_ek9..

You're wrong about Type R's 4th gear won't reach 200km/h...mine can go up to around or more than 220km/h.. and there are many more out there who can do that...one of my friend pull his ITR, 3rd gear 180km/h +, 4th is more than 220km/h dude...
Rex is a quick car, but i guess so far, most of them are terrible driver....was ones encounter with this Altezza tail light blue WRX...non STI...err..but 1st...i just don't understand why some Turbo driver like to look down on a lil Civic..to them...is NA + anything without a WossSshh, means slow to them..i reckon if it's driven by some weak driver (standard car), even they boost their car, they can't even win an ITR...
by the way, vti_ek9, if you really wanna prove something, i know someone that might be interested. yes!...call pornstar out..have a fair drag..hahaha...turbo VS turbo....go pornstar, go pornstar...hahahaha...his car is Standard...really really standard..even if i recall the time when i 1st met him, i was shock about his car..."is that a Radiator or what..."...hahaha...

[jko2]

NA cars are slow, generally.
just take a look at this section of your forum.

6 cylinder commodore this,
lancer that,
swift this.

then take a look at the equivalent forum on any turbo forum.
nuff said

of course, there are NA hondas out there that are very quick. like im sure there are a lot of quick NA hondas in this very thread. but im talking in general. which you can't argue with.
remember we're talking about straight line here.
if you still doubt, take a look at HPI 1/4 mile times, any NA there? in any category? (actually there is one, an 85 civic b20A with 12.8 secs)

[ginganggooly]

Originally Posted by vti_ek9
stock dc2r beat a stock rex...
i don't think soo....my friend just brough a dc2r....and it's nicely modified....headers...lightend flywhelel....2.5inch stainless exaust..and forgot wat else...
and my other friend just has muffler n tip...filter n boosted 1 pound...no way can he beat the rex on take off..he could not catch up...nor on rolling...but it's very close...the rex slowly pulls away on roll...
do you believe this....A REX HAS LONGER GEAR RATIOS??..believe it or not...gear 4 in a type r will not reach 200..in a rex it will...
if you don't believe me.....anyone with a type r can pm me and we can organise sumfing just to prove what i'm saying is true....
cheers


To vti_ek9..

You're wrong about Type R's 4th gear won't reach 200km/h...mine can go up to around or more than 220km/h.. and there are many more out there who can do that...one of my friend pull his ITR, 3rd gear 180km/h +, 4th is more than 220km/h dude...
Rex is a quick car, but i guess so far, most of them are terrible driver....was ones encounter with this Altezza tail light blue WRX...non STI...err..but 1st...i just don't understand why some Turbo driver like to look down on a lil Civic..to them...is NA + anything without a WossSshh, means slow to them..i reckon if it's driven by some weak driver (standard car), even they boost their car, they can't even win an ITR...
by the way, vti_ek9, if you really wanna prove something, i know someone that might be interested. yes!...call pornstar out..have a fair drag..hahaha...turbo VS turbo....go pornstar, go pornstar...hahahaha...his car is Standard...really really standard..even if i recall the time when i 1st met him, i was shock about his car..."is that a Radiator or what..."...hahaha...

yet another obfuscated post award for pgclee ;)
my vti-r is hovering around 8000-8500 rpm at 180 in 4th. unless you are taking your -shorter geared- itr to somewhere around 12000rpm in 3rd, you aren't going to hit 180 :wave:

[ginganggooly]

NA cars are slow, generally.
just take a look at this section of your forum.

6 cylinder commodore this,
lancer that,
swift this.

then take a look at the equivalent forum on any turbo forum.
nuff said

of course, there are NA hondas out there that are very quick. like im sure there are a lot of quick NA hondas in this very thread. but im talking in general. which you can't argue with.
remember we're talking about straight line here.
if you still doubt, take a look at HPI 1/4 mile times, any NA there? in any category? (actually there is one, an 85 civic b20A with 12.8 secs)

oh boy, the truth hurts ;)
why do you think (4 cyl) all motor needs it's own category?
because they're s-l-o-w.

well actually, they're into 9's elsewhere, but that's beside the point....

[kenshin]

straight line speed is one thing... but in the twisties... TR is more balanced... but then again up against a rexxy... rally breed doesnt seem like it'll much of a battle...

oh well...
at least i get the fuel economy like a civic if i dont hit vtec revs :P
unlike the turbo boys... which is nice these days with fuel prices through the roof n all

[Weq]

i average atleast 250ks from $20 of 98ron. nothing wrong with that economy.

[Terry]

Turbo car beat me on the road..........and i beat them in pit-stop! (I Filled up my civic 15mins faster then them!!) :D

[pornstar]

Gingangooly, u dont know what his car has ;)

Go to Phillip Island if you want to watch the R get mauled by STI's.

Fuel economy? im getting more now out of my turbo car then i was when it was smaller capacity NA. Autronic is awesome.

[ginganggooly]

Gingangooly, u dont know what his car has ;)

Go to Phillip Island if you want to watch the R get mauled by STI's.

Fuel economy? im getting more now out of my turbo car then i was when it was smaller capacity NA. Autronic is awesome.

i wan't talking about his car, but mostly stock itr's, with itr gearing. :)

[pornstar]

i wan't talking about his car, but mostly stock itr's, with itr gearing. :)


ic, gotcha! :)

[jko2]

yeah.. turbos eat fuel.. but remember they're not like v8s
you can drive it off boost quite easily, as boost is measured by your throttle position! not just your revs. so you can redline your car at 0psi.
but why the heck do you wanna do that?

[pgclee]

Gingangooly, u dont know what his car has ;)

Go to Phillip Island if you want to watch the R get mauled by STI's.

Fuel economy? im getting more now out of my turbo car then i was when it was smaller capacity NA. Autronic is awesome.


what???...hey...not fair...i also want fuel economiiiiii....i dowan to grill more chicken while i'm reving hard already... :(

Gingangooly, i'm just trying to say there is a few i know tat can pass that mark easily...and is not even 12,000rpm yet...(i won't dare go so high)...it doesn't sound like a Vtec anymore...TzeeEee....ouch...but what the hell...if you're side by side with a GTR, you won't even bother about the rev anymore...hahahaha...plus, it will only make the GTR drive sweat like hell...and he'll be thinking..WTF...must be one of my turbo Leaking or not functioning..hahaha...

ya ya...N/A are slow...i must admit as well..haih...is been a sad post for me...i'm soo dissapointed...Haih...but who cares....still, the fastest track car on earth, still N/A....muahahahaha...beat that..!

[vti_ek9]

4th gear reaches 220?..in dc2 or dc5?..cause dc2 i can assure u it doesn't......redlining the dc2 doesn't reach 200....at 1st i woulda though it would...but i doesn't surprisingly...
oh yer
has anyone been to 12 apostles....the drive there the best...
we took...
a rx7 fc...
stok rex..
my rex...
itr with full suspension setup...
and the typre r was up my ass the whole way
..i could not outrun the itr...even though i pull away abit on the straights...but the cornering speed off the type r is pretty amazing....no skids or loss of traction at all
.ahah...it was mad..
soo much twisties and turns....u honda dudes will love it...

[Da1nONLY]

it doesnt matter how much your fourth gear takes you to....
what matters most is how fast your fourth gear reaches redline.

A Wrx 4th could take you to 200Km but it could take 10 seconds from 140Km to reach 200Km

An ITR 4th could probably only take you to 180Km... but it only takes 5 secs from 135Km to reach 180Km..

[pgclee]

4th gear reaches 220?..in dc2 or dc5?..cause dc2 i can assure u it doesn't......redlining the dc2 doesn't reach 200....at 1st i woulda though it would...but i doesn't surprisingly...



i'm not driving an integra...just a normal civic....

[CivicOnBoost]

DC5R goes to about 210 in 5th then can change to 6th and if you have intake and exhaust it will keep pulling to 250kph.

line up a DC5R and WRX both stock at around 100kph and see which one gets to 200 first ;)

And ppl say that a wrx is rally bred and will out handle a DC5R or DC2R i dunno where you got your info from but the wrx will get owned through corners. The integra is a much more balanced car.

[silver_screen]

rexs r slow...i had a 180 and i got a rx7 as wel.. a rex has neva eva come close to either car lolol even ran a sti once he had a full car load.. illegal drags on the 2nd run he kicked everyone and i still owned him. as for the civic... i beat a gsr and i posted it up :)

[pgclee]

rexs r slow...i had a 180 and i got a rx7 as wel.. a rex has neva eva come close to either car lolol even ran a sti once he had a full car load.. illegal drags on the 2nd run he kicked everyone and i still owned him. as for the civic... i beat a gsr and i posted it up :)


you must have a really fast car...and saying an STi is that slow...i really wonder have you even run with a Boost up STI before...hmm....it can do a 12 sec as i know...and if you say that you can beat that..you must have a low 12 sec or a 11 sec car dude...impressive..

[silver_screen]

yer the rx is runnin 11.12 @131mph lolol its got HUGE top end :) the 180 i could only manage a 12.2 but its still faster than a STi in top end :)

[pornstar]

11.12@131mph, riiiiiiight. where was it at?

[McChook]

11.12@131mph, riiiiiiight. where was it at?
Illegals bro :thumbdwn:

[pornstar]

do illegals get timed nowadays?

[McChook]

do illegals get timed nowadays?
Fo sho
Not accurately, but hey, good fo bragging

[pgclee]

Fo sho
Not accurately, but hey, good fo bragging


errr.....11.12sec...sounds abitt...ehhh...dono...but if you have a run down the strip...may be that will support your 11.12sec..hehe..or have a run with this GTR, also 11sec car...if you beat that, then will be a nice show...

[silver_screen]

loll wasnt illegals hahaha it was in japland actually.. the car came with a fully prepped motor, suspension and stuff.. i basically told them i want a very fast track car.. and thats what i got. they timed it @ 11.12 on street tyres.. they said it didnt have the best of traction... but i dunno.... slicks and it should do 10s easy i reckon... btw if u want pics of just holla.. ill show :) its not ur average rx7... theres no interior for starters.. completely stripped out but anywayz, i dun really care if its not believed. ull see it for urself and thats all it will take i guess :)

[karbonphyber]

kind off tangent but is it illegal to have a car with stripped interiors on the road?

[vti_ek9]

silver screen....
wow....woo hooo...ur modified 180 and rx7 beat a stock rex or stock sti...
wow...ur soo cool.....comparing a 11 and 12 sec car to stock rex...
pffft.....stock to stock....rex OR sti will eat ur rx7 and even worst...shit all ova a stock 180....
well...thats if your rx7 is series 6 downwards...respect 4 series rx7 series 7 and 8 :D

[pgclee]

now is getting me kinda confuse...
why you wanna hit on those Rex with your "So fast" car?...and when you say 11's and now even 10's, are you serious...??...do you like to have a run with a GTR?...now...don't try to complain it's a 4wd car...and launch kill you or what so ever not fair...but i just wanna see how fast your car is...11's on road with dono what soever prove...

i'm just curious,, and nothing against you thats all...cause my friend also wanna test out his car...and at the right time i see that your time is freaking fast...just a friendly drag on strip thats all... no harm...hehe...

but i know Rotary is definately veli fast...cause i think one of the fastest in the world infact is a Rotary...some 7 sec thingy...hahaha...or lower...i don't know..hehe...

[Mr. Focus]

hmmm. i had 2 races on the w/end, both rolling starts. my first was against another crx with with the same d16a8 engine and i beat him by about a car length. my next opponent is an ex-crx owner who now owns an ev3 shape GSR. he beat me by about a car length and we were both surprised with the outcome. so in saying that had my crx been boosted, i in theory would have hammered him!

[silver_screen]

silver screen....
wow....woo hooo...ur modified 180 and rx7 beat a stock rex or stock sti...
wow...ur soo cool.....comparing a 11 and 12 sec car to stock rex...
pffft.....stock to stock....rex OR sti will eat ur rx7 and even worst...shit all ova a stock 180....
well...thats if your rx7 is series 6 downwards...respect 4 series rx7 series 7 and 8 :D


lolol @ stock rex's lol the sti wasnt stock dude :) and as for modded rex's their still slow.. its not a very good performance car. id much rather a evo myself or GTR, those r real 4wd performance cars. wrx = poor mans porsche. its a pos car and i have absolutely no respect for those cars

[pgclee]

wow..personal attack to those REx dude...i think you shouldn't do that dude...there is a 10 sec rex that i know man....don't understand why you're so proud of your RX7....and for your info, GTR is not an Absolute 4WD car dude...

[silver_screen]

neva said it was absolute... i said REAL 4wd performance... not dodgy sti.. theres a reason y a brand new sti only cost 50k while a evo is sittin in the 80s and gtrs ova 100k :) very good reason for that

[Civic Type R]

i neva said i had a type r..i've got a 4 door 98 model vti...dats called a ek9 rite?....LMFAO !
sorry but NO :rolleyes:

[Hondavirgin]

neva said it was absolute... i said REAL 4wd performance... not dodgy sti.. theres a reason y a brand new sti only cost 50k while a evo is sittin in the 80s and gtrs ova 100k :) very good reason for that
maybe have sopmething to do with the fact that an STi is a full blown for sale model and the other two are (very) limited imports.........:rolleyes:

[[[d a n n y]]]

wow..personal attack to those REx dude...i think you shouldn't do that dude...there is a 10 sec rex that i know man....don't understand why you're so proud of your RX7....and for your info, GTR is not an Absolute 4WD car dude...
GTR is not a 4wd car..

it's a part time 4WD when the ATTESSA kicks in:cool:

[Civic Type R]

there are 2 10 second GTR's here in Perth and both are daily drivers. Both run with full interiors and on normal road rubber.

[[[d a n n y]]]

only 2?

theres a handfull in sydney that run 9's all day on full street trim and street rubber..:D

[Civic Type R]

this is Perth Dude.
We still employ camels to cart milk and bread to the corner delis over here

[[[d a n n y]]]

this is Perth Dude.
We still employ camels to cart milk and bread to the corner delis over here
bahah adam u funny 1 :thumbsup:

[vti_ek9]

silver screen...
do you know anething about rexys?
faster rex is in the 7second bracket now...evo's?...9's?
rotarys r fast..yes..but i would neva buy one..
just the fact that they drink more petrol then a 5.7 v8...
and urs is a what?..10sec or 11sec series 6..
u probably get wot...120ks on a full tank petrol...dats just stoopid!
unless you have money comming outa ur ass u wouldn't care....

[SiNH]

loll wasnt illegals hahaha it was in japland actually.. the car came with a fully prepped motor, suspension and stuff.. i basically told them i want a very fast track car.. and thats what i got. they timed it @ 11.12 on street tyres.. they said it didnt have the best of traction... but i dunno.... slicks and it should do 10s easy i reckon... btw if u want pics of just holla.. ill show :) its not ur average rx7... theres no interior for starters.. completely stripped out but anywayz, i dun really care if its not believed. ull see it for urself and thats all it will take i guess :)Mate I could buy a series 3 RX7, dump $30K on engine and suspension mods and then run a 10sec quarter, but you know what? at the end of the day I would still own a $30K piece of shit. Isnt this what you did to your car?

I would rather spend $60K on a NEW STI from factory than own a stripped out interior $30K piece of dinosaur nugget.

[todaek9]

]']only 2?

theres a handfull in sydney that run 9's all day on full street trim and street rubber..:D

Street rubber at 9 sec...hmm....??? alot of them going around???..errr....hmmm....ehhh...ermm....

[joneblaze]

Mate I could buy a series 3 RX7, dump $30K on engine and suspension mods and then run a 10sec quarter, but you know what? at the end of the day I would still own a $30K piece of shit. Isnt this what you did to your car?

I would rather spend $60K on a NEW STI from factory than own a stripped out interior $30K piece of dinosaur nugget.

Agreed. :)

[[[d a n n y]]]

Street rubber at 9 sec...hmm....??? alot of them going around???..errr....hmmm....ehhh...ermm....
yeap.
check it out on SAU

[Blew_lude]

save ur bodgy Rx7 for some who gives a shit