emanage on y4

[rnbguy]

hey guys a quick question, im aware the y4 dizzy is different to the other engines (y8 etc). im curious will emanage work on the y4 block as the emanage modifies the TDC values (for timming) ? ...

the confusing thing is i know the y4 block interprets these signals differently....

i hope this question makes sense?

[Limbo]

i thought the e-manage was only piggyback so it should be only adjusting the settings of the ECU.

In full ECUs they modify the dizzy to give a single signal of TDC, unless they are plug and play and can read the dizzy readings from and OEM ignition

[beeza]

Subscribed :)

[90xsi]

emanage will work on your y4 definately
i had it running on my old turbo civic
good value for money in my opinion

[minix33]

it adjusts the signals according to what it intercepts and therefore isnt engine specific.

[beeza]

So the e-manage is the same as the afc neo?

[rnbguy]

i think emanage is very similar to afc neo, except it can tune timming as well, im sure emanage works with turbo civics, but im curious if it can work on the y4 block with the ignition harness to modify timing?

[minix33]

http://www.importscene.com.au/prod663.htm

you should be able to since it is not engine specific and as i said before, it adjusts according to what it intercepts.

[beeza]

Cheers.I did a search,you can get them for $300 US.

[rnbguy]

mate u can get em for $200 US shipped if you look good enough...


say no to australian over priced products :)

[beeza]

mate u can get em for $200 US shipped if you look good enough...


say no to australian over priced products :)

Good one :thumbsup: got a link at all?

[rnbguy]

pm sent

[rnbguy]

btw i think emanage may be better then the neo in the sense that it gives u more correction points, neo limits at +/- 50%.... not sure what the limit of correction is on the emanage.

[beeza]

pm sent

PM replied :thumbsup:

[nd55]

> im aware the y4 dizzy is different to the other engines (y8 etc).

Actually I think the Y4 and Y8 dizzies are obd2, and in fact similar.

The Y4 ecu is NOT like the Y8 ecu however.

96 and onwards are obd2.
pre-96 is obd1
and there's odb0.

odb2, obd1 and obd0 are standards/initiaives by the US govenrment, not Honda.

Big difference of most relevance is that obd2 requires the crank position sensor to be run off the crank, whereas most obd1 used the distributor to position the sensor.

Also, Honda obd2 crank sensor has 21 teeth, obd1 has 16 teeth.

What most try to do is convert from obd2 ecu to obd1 ecu to use aftermarket programming systems. (like Crome) and hence need to retrofit a obd1 dizzy which has different connections.

Other difference between y4 ecu and y8 is the injectors on y4 use two ports. (I think)

Nick.

[Edgeauto]

obd1 and obd2 dizzys are the same but with different plugs. Obd0 dizzy have less crank sensor teeth. y4 only use a tdc sensor and nothing else.

[redinteg]

how popular are these units with tuners? i know there are not many hondata tuners in Australia but how about the e-manage?

[beeza]

^^ Yeah,can most dyno tuners use them?

[beeza]

Also what/if any is the advantage of Hondata or crome over e-manage?

[nd55]

thanks Edgeauto.

[rnbguy]

there are alot of advantages over emanage, but emanage does the job for its price is cheap to tune.

[[ricer]]

i got hondata on my d16y4
starts and runs like factory... never driven one with emanage so cant tell you the difference...

took alot of time to get it running right though...

[rnbguy]

which hondata do you have? now come to think of it, s100 is okay compared to emanage although im sticking with emanage because i wont change tuners (love my guy) and his good with emanage...

ricer it musta cost a bit getting it on a y4 block, dizzy harness, ecu change etc..

[beeza]

Ricer-What do U mean by 'starts and runs like factory'?

It's not expensive for the parts but if ya gotta pay someone to set it up it can be....

Harness-$250
ECU + Dizzy = $290
Custom adapter for the 2 wire eacv (dynodave)
Hondata or crome
You will need to then get someone to tune you car :)

[Limbo]

he means that the car drives like its a standard car. No funny twitches from tuning. (ya still supose to give me a ride!)

I'm going PFC cos its plug & play.

emanage is good for the money. It has more points it can adjust than the Apexi Neo.

Hondata, crome & PFC are full ECUs which can use the factory sensors and adjust all the engine settings on their own.

Your piggybacks only intercept the signals from your ECU and then tells your ECU what siginals it should see and then the ECU reacts on the info from the piggyback

[beeza]

Your piggybacks only intercept the signals from your ECU and then tells your ECU what siginals it should see and then the ECU reacts on the info from the piggyback

Is there a disadvantage to that?

[rnbguy]

nice discription, the only reason people dont go full blown ecu solutions is costs of a) converting from obd2 > obd1 and/or b) just getting it in (harness,ecu, chip,burner etc)...

and mostly because the only people who tune hondata ask for too much and its rare to find crome tuners (but possible) in au so therefore they will charge alot too...

most tuners can do emanage easily...

im still curious if anyone here has used emanage on there y4 block...? im in the midst of connecting emanage now + inj harness + ignition harness (total cost $300).

[[ricer]]

hondata on a y4 isnt cheap

i changed 3 dizzys and the whole intake manifold and throttle body
you also need a custom wiring harness made up which is now more readily available then when i was doing it

hondata on an obd1 car is cheap and worthwhile

for any car running obd2 you might as well get a 2nd hand power FC and go from there

oh btw im running hondata s200

[[ricer]]

im still curious if anyone here has used emanage on there y4 block...? im in the midst of connecting emanage now + inj harness + ignition harness (total cost $300).

there is a few people who have used emange on a y4... alot of times when u see the greddy kits on EKs they using the emanage

[[ricer]]

(ya still supose to give me a ride!)

anytime man but its nothing special...
i think its very over rated actually haha :thumbdwn:

[beeza]

Are U boosted rnbguy?
I'm trying to decide if it's worth me getting e-manage...
I've done all mods but no cam,cam gear.

[Limbo]

I think Lukezy has one of the D series can't rem which one and he is running the E-manage. He has a VTI also.
[quote]
nice discription, the only reason people dont go full blown ecu solutions is costs of a) converting from obd2 > obd1 and/or b) just getting it in (harness,ecu, chip,burner etc)...


PFC - NO need for harness conversion, straight plug & play.

You do know that you will have to wire up the emanage? Its not a plug & play unit.


Ricer - wanna try yours so i can get ready for mine!

[Limbo]

Are U boosted rnbguy?
I'm trying to decide if it's worth me getting e-manage...
I've done all mods but no cam,cam gear.


On a SOHC no use for cam gear. Just get cams and a tune

[[ricer]]

You do know that you will have to wire up the emanage? Its not a plug & play unit.

if its anything like wiring up a apexi neo then its easy as
i put one of these into a friends accord
just need ur ecu pin out
which for a d16y4 is here...> http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=8133
soldering iron and some heat shrink and electrical tape

[beeza]

On a SOHC no use for cam gear. Just get cams and a tune

No cam available for my car :( d16y4 Non-VTec

[[ricer]]

thats cause d16y4 are only good for boost not n/a mods lol

[beeza]

;1492484']thats cause d16y4 are only good for boost not n/a mods lol

Yeh...

[rnbguy]

yeah im boosted on afc, but my tuner is certain to pump alot more kw's with a emanage as his more comftable with it, i didnt know power fc was made for our cars... but i didnt look into it much, their more expensive then a second hand emanage which goes for 350 with all harnesses etc....

the thing im worried about with emanage is it needs a inj ground wire which i cant find, its also weird how our wires 1,2 deal with 2 injectors each, i guess u just conect 1,2 from emanage to wire 1 on ecu and 3,4 from emanage to wire 2 on emanage.

[rnbguy]

so no one here has a y4 block with emanage?