Removing sump plug - kinda of urgent

[1996ek1]

Well, im trying to change my as its abit old, and will be boosting soon (probably 2-3k KM) and just want to change the oil for now, but i cant remove the sump plug.

It feels like there is no way in hell its coming off, can any suggest a way of possibly removing it?

It is so solid, and impossible...

[destrukshn]

not impossible
lol
use a long ring 17mm ring spanner.
or use your using a ratchet and socket, hit the ratchet as hard as you can with your hand, or use a breaker bar.
or jerk on it hard.
lol.

[1996ek1]

Lol i tried. I have them like bullshit sockets that are with like 18 edges, not just 6.

And no long ring spanners ><

I keep pulling it hard but cos of the 18 thing socket or w/e edges it got, it keeps falling off, and im worried about rounding the nut.

The 6 edge sockets and spanners i have stop before 17 -_-


And iuno what a breaker bar is exactly... is it just using another bar for leverage ?

[destrukshn]

okay, DO NOT put constant force, use impact, so do not pull on it constantly.
yes a breaker bar is like a long hand with the head to syou can put a socket on it.

[teh_mechanic]

breaker bar is like a ratchet (but it doesnt ratchet) and about 15 inches or so long,for undoing tight nuts/bolts.

you can get it undone,if your multihex spanner is slipping then do yourself a favour and go buy a six side one before you round the sump plug off and get into a whole new world of trouble.get a longer one,the longer your bar/spanner is the more leverage you have therefore you can get the same result with less effort.

[1996ek1]

mmm fuk... only 6 side-ed (lol) ones i have are open ended....

[aaronng]

Go buy a single 6-sided socket. $10 is better than having to drill out the sump plug or damaging the threads.

[1996ek1]

Hmm well, i actually found a 6 sided size 17.

Its like a tube with a hole in the middle.
So i gently hammered it onto the plug, (so it was on nice and tight)

I put a LONG screw driver in the hole and pulled, but it always falls off, like 1 edge is round ?? I cant use my other hand to hold it (but it doesnt feel like that wud help, it always just slips off one edge (not a round corner, the edge?) because its too low. But its not a good idea to jack it up and try remove the plug, is it ?

[Spoon-Accord]

if u round the nut, just use a wise grip plier

clamp it on tite and use your hands and tap it open :)

[1996ek1]

Yea shit. looks pretty rounded too me now. too bad i cant buy a new plug at this time...
Well not that round, but enough that theres no way a 6 sided can get it off. It actually seems to be rounding my 6 sided...

Im thinking of some choice works atm :rolleyes:
(and their not nice ones)

Do places like auto-one sell new plugs? -_-

[destrukshn]

go to any honda dealership, they should stock em.

[aaronng]

Hmm well, i actually found a 6 sided size 17.

Its like a tube with a hole in the middle.
So i gently hammered it onto the plug, (so it was on nice and tight)

I put a LONG screw driver in the hole and pulled, but it always falls off, like 1 edge is round ?? I cant use my other hand to hold it (but it doesnt feel like that wud help, it always just slips off one edge (not a round corner, the edge?) because its too low. But its not a good idea to jack it up and try remove the plug, is it ?

Eww, those are crap. Get a proper one with a 1/2" square drive. Don't worry about damaging the plug. Go get a new one (and a new washer) at the dealer tomorrow.

[hayashi_1986]

Looks like someone needs some Kingcrome :D If you really want to take it off now, a vice grip = teh s**t. Once it's on you can tap it with a hammer to get it loose. Always use quality tools with cars! Nothing worse than rounding and stripping nuts with made in china/taiwan tools.

[steve88]

kinchromes made in china ;) trust it from someone who works at bunnings. if you wanna save urself $40 getting a breaker bar, get a pipe, stick it at the end of the ratchet and it'll come off very easy esp the longer the pipe is :)

[1996ek1]

Heh, i was at Honda today.

They charged me $20.30 for a 100 amp fuse for the positive terminal because i blew it when i was re-installing an ECU....

How much do they charge for a sump plug ?

[phantom_civic]

Make sure ur car is cold..
Had the mistake of snapping the bolt ones coz the car was too hot rofl

[jdm_kid]

How much do they charge for a sump plug ?

free off destrukshn haha

[destrukshn]

free off destrukshn haha
lol
lol
it's like $10
go buy one.
while your at it, go get a decent socket set.
or spanner set.

[aaronng]

kinchromes made in china ;) trust it from someone who works at bunnings. if you wanna save urself $40 getting a breaker bar, get a pipe, stick it at the end of the ratchet and it'll come off very easy esp the longer the pipe is :)
Made in Taiwan.

Which brand would you recommend instead?

[hayashi_1986]

Sidchrome? Snap-On?

[destrukshn]

kincrome/sidcrome/stanley.
all the same.
lol.
i'm starting to go for bluepoint tools now.

[1996ek1]

Lol. i cant afford expensive tools.
I already cant afford my oil/water lines. haha

Ill get a sump plug and ring tomorrow.
And just a size 17 6sided socket tomorrow.

No point buying the whole kit. Whole set of KC tools in the workshop, which i cant get untill January 29th -_-

[1996ek1]

i still cant believe i payed $20.30 for a fuse....

[destrukshn]

lol
did it get your car fixed? if yes, shit happens.
lol

[1996ek1]

lol
did it get your car fixed? if yes, shit happens.
lol

yes...
it was for FN2, just got ecu back from jtune,

and was installing it, and the fuse box connectors touched the battery neg terminal, and there was some huge sparks ( ive done it a few times and shit myself every time i see the sparks, haha) and then i put all together, and nothing was working. and i was looking everywhere, cudnt find anything and like 'SHIT'

then i took the huge cover off the positive terminal, and saw there was a fuse...

was rather relieved when i saw that fuse was gone... i thought i REALLY broke something haha

[Samo]

kincrome/sidcrome/stanley.
all the same.
lol.
i'm starting to go for bluepoint tools now.

i think blues point is from snap-on ....

only seen them sold by the mobile snap-on distributors

[destrukshn]

yah, it is.
lol,
same shit as snap on, just at alot cheaper rates
lol

[Samo]

some blue point stuff is not rally good ...

like the new blue point engine/4x4 tranny hoist was just abit better quality than the repco one ...

but most the ones we have at work at awsome

[Tu88y]

Stahlwille tools the way to go boys...

Great tools to use Germany made

[destrukshn]

lol, i love my ratchet spanner set.
=)

[destrukshn]

Stahlwille tools the way to go boys...

Great tools to use Germany made
ballers only.
lol.

[Samo]

i got a set of Stahlwille metric spanners and set of imperial spanners

i perfer Stahlwille spanners over snap on

but snap on ratchets are the best

[Tu88y]

lol, i love my ratchet spanner set.
=)

So I guess you don't need me to get you a set of spanners huh
hahahahaha

[Tu88y]

i got a set of Stahlwille metric spanners and set of imperial spanners

i perfer Stahlwille spanners over snap on

but snap on ratchets are the best

From what I heard Snap On is made from Asia now

Stahwille Torque Wrench are really good to use. They have design the first digital torque wrench that clicks now

[destrukshn]

So I guess you don't need me to get you a set of spanners huh
hahahahaha
no, i want the long spanners.
lol.
digital that clicks?
you know what, i know the snap on ones are like $800.
that must be tooo much
lol

[Samo]

From what I heard Snap On is made from Asia now

Stahwille Torque Wrench are really good to use. They have design the first digital torque wrench that clicks now

yeah i know ... the trade cateloges we get
they are abt $550 from memory for 1/2" .. or was dat the 3/8

[Samo]

jt .. long ones linke mine long double ring spanners
like 8x10, 12x14, 17x19, 22x24 set???

mine cost $120 a few years ago ... its a must .. the 17x19 is a lil over 1foot so its awsome for tight stuff

snap-on equavelent is abt $100-$150 each lol

[1996ek1]

lol all this shit is in workshop which is closed untill 29th.
(not same brands)

They have like KC tools / crome amada? or something close to that, i know first word is chrome lol

are they any good ?

[Tu88y]

Crome are ok

[zco]

if you cant get it off.. the clamp pliers are best thing to use.. always works for me especially on rounded bolts

sidchrom, kincrome, or snap on for me

[steve88]

Made in Taiwan.

Which brand would you recommend instead?
Taiwan, china; i still get customers coming back pissed off with those spanner sets. Stanley/Cheap brands/sidchrome come out of the same factory :) they even come in the same pallette lol, kinchrome or snap on seems to be the way 2 go :thumbsup:

[vinnY]

back on topic, did you end up getting it off?
and i hope you're turning it the right way!

[1996ek1]

Lol i was turning the right way.
Na i just woke up, gonna drive to Honda in 20 minutes, and when i get back ill try take it off.

I was gonna use vice grips i think they called? Then try hit end with a hammer or give hard tugs...

[Tu88y]

Buy a new motor

Honda's are slow man
hahahaha

[1996ek1]

Lol.

SOHC are esp slow...
IT NEEDS BOOST!!

[Tu88y]

It sounds like your doing all these things for the first time???

[1996ek1]

Yes.
Sadly i am

[aaronng]

Taiwan, china; i still get customers coming back pissed off with those spanner sets. Stanley/Cheap brands/sidchrome come out of the same factory :) they even come in the same pallette lol, kinchrome or snap on seems to be the way 2 go :thumbsup:

Taiwan and China, heaps of difference with regards to build quality between the two. Kincrome and Sidchrome come out of the same factory as well. There is only 1 tool factory left in Taiwan.

[[NAV]]

i had this problem too... ending up callin my mate who is a body builder.. and he hit the ratchet with his palm repetatively and it just came out :S hehe... anyway goodluck

[1996ek1]

Lol thx.

Off to honda i go ..

[1996ek1]

Hmm i got my sumpplug and washer, was only $9.40 or something.
And then i stopped by bunnings and they had no single hex sockets, so i stopped by some other place, and they didnt either, and i stopped by repco and they did, but it is a LONG one. like 7cm long.

Would that be any good? Because its so long i imagine it being harder to use ..

[Tu88y]

long spanner are good

[1996ek1]

Yea but believe it or not, no one had any long single hex spanners.
By long i mean its really deep, so it will be like this

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[Tu88y]

Man your so clueless to this
hahahahahaha

[1996ek1]

LOL shit i know... ><'


i do feel like a dick. but its better then rounding another nut LOL

[aaronng]

The long one is a deep drive socket. It is fine as long as you have space to fit the socket on. Did you try looking for the black coloured short 6-point sockets? Those are short impact sockets.

[1996ek1]

Didnt see any short sockets. Thats why i bought the long one...
I was abit... err about buying it. but yea, just have to get that bolt off when im not feeling lazy and have just realised my vice grips are soft of broken.

This is so annoying not having the proper tools....

[aaronng]

Well, with that deep drive socket, you are 1 step into getting good tools. If there is a Total Tools near you, they do a large range of sockets too.

[1996ek1]

Lol ill check yellow pages for a local total tools and see what i find.

thanks! just have to try remove ths plug now -__-

[aaronng]

Don't need the yellow pages. Just type in www.totaltools.com.au. :)

[1996ek1]

Ah wetherill park. nice and close!
thx aaronng

[1996ek1]

And if my vicegrip are broken
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2233087/2/istockphoto_2233087_pliers.jpg

Is there anything else i can use to remove it?
I have another one that works REALLY nice, but its abit too small for the bolt -_-

[1996ek1]

no really, guys i think im right here. its STUCK.
I can get the socket on it good, and doesnt matter how hard i pull on it, NOTHING. It just wont move no matter what.
The socket doesnt fall off or slip or anything.

[gnx1987]

yeah get one of these. dunno what it's called but it works a treat. basically put it on the bolt and pull. the harder you pull the harder it grips.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc160/aussie455/tool2.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc160/aussie455/tool1.jpg

[1996ek1]

Hmm might have one of those in the garage. Ill take a look in a minute,
But it doesnt matter how hard i tug with the socket, ( i am tugging pretty hard )

nothing....

[gnx1987]

get a hole saw and drill it out.:p

[1996ek1]

get a hole saw and drill it out.:p

yea im about to. this thing is shitting me.
If its not out tonight im taking it somewhere tomorrow...

[destrukshn]

lol
lol
are you serious?
where are you located?

[gnx1987]

get that tool i told you and put a really long pipe on it to increase your torque. it should come out unless someone welded it in. No offence but are you sure you trying to turn it in the correct direction? If your lying down on a wierd angle it might look like your going counter clockwise when in fact your not.

[1996ek1]

get that tool i told you and put a really long pipe on it to increase your torque. it should come out unless someone welded it in. No offence but are you sure you trying to turn it in the correct direction? If your lying down on a wierd angle it might look like your going counter clockwise when in fact your not.

Lol trust me. im going write way.


Im from wollongong/sydney (hinchinbrook)
But im at wollongong atm...

$10 says no here could get the pos off, lol

[destrukshn]

lol
**** it would be funny if you were goint the wrong way
ah, i was about to give you some help
lol
but way too far
lol

[one4spl]

Dont use vice-grips or such to take it off, they will just ruin the head. Use a quality peripheral drive socket and long handle, and put a pipe on the handle.

Also, you should use half-inch sockets, anything less is for girly men.


Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world.

[vinnY]

he doesn't care about the head since he bought a new sump plug, just wants to get the bugger off

[1996ek1]

I use 1/2".
I dont have all these extra tools that every one says lol. And as VinnY said, i got a new one so dont care about the old.

And if you want to help me destrukshn ill go to Sydney tomorrow :D. I have to go there tomorrow or friday to pick stuff up anyway lol. Saves going to a mechanic or something ,,,

[destrukshn]

hms.. what do i get in return? lol, i practically have to do a oil change
lol
lol

[Tu88y]

hms.. what do i get in return? lol, i practically have to do a oil change
lol
lol

Thats what I said when I offer cheap tools
hahahahahhaa

[destrukshn]

Thats what I said when I offer cheap tools
hahahahahhaa
your tools, will be cheaper than the normal price, but would still probably be heaps more exxy than bluepoint/sidchrome, or anythign like taht
lol.

[Tu88y]

your tools, will be cheaper than the normal price, but would still probably be heaps more exxy than bluepoint/sidchrome, or anythign like taht
lol.

Trust me you be surprise

staff price man

lol

[1996ek1]

hms.. what do i get in return? lol, i practically have to do a oil change
lol
lol

Lol. i.. dont know...
Ill pour the oil, :D'


Lol its k, ill take to mechanics, it shouldnt be too hard for them

[Drew]

Take it to a mechanic

Get him to weld a bar onto the nut and get it off that way if the head is completely ****ed

[destrukshn]

Lol. i.. dont know...
Ill pour the oil, :D'


Lol its k, ill take to mechanics, it shouldnt be too hard for them
should be piss easy for em

[1996ek1]

Its not that bad, my socket still goes on it, and sits there without slipping, its just that doesnt matter how hard i hit/tug on the end, it WILL not move.

They probably dont need to go as far as weling a bar on, but yer...

[Drew]

When looking up are you trying to turn it clockwise or anti clockwise?

[destrukshn]

the car is raised when you do it right? so you get more leverage?

[1996ek1]

No its not raised lol. When i look at the sump plug, im turning anti-clock wise. (thats when im upside down under the car)

I thought it wasnt good to raise the car when im under it lol.

My problem here is shit all leverage. Drive way goes downhill from the garage so i put it just out of the garage, so front is higher. I got kind of under it but still not enough leverage.

Should i just jack it up and go for it ?
(im pretty sick of this stupid plug, i think ill just take to mech. )

[destrukshn]

jack it up and USE STANDS

[1996ek1]

jack it up and USE STANDS

omg i hate stands... they killed my car....
Last time i tried stands, the stands i have have like guide rails welded on, and when i was going down off the ramps, they caught my bumper ( i had no clue ) and they ripped it. ( my bumper has 2 rips under it , 1 on each side)


K. i quit. ill take to mechanics.
ill stop being a tight arse and pay the price....

[destrukshn]

wtf?
where are you putting your stands?
there's a spot underneath your side skirts.

[one4spl]

It boggles me why people do sump plugs up so tight... they arent structural, or under any stress at all... Screwdriver tight is plenty.

[1996ek1]

Sorry i was thinking ramps. LOL
stands yea... stands that i dont have, hahaha

theres stands in workshop... not at home lol

[1996ek1]

Well sorry im telling 1/2 a story

Its a guy i know, Peter's workshop and he has all this kind of stuff that i can use...

[Drew]

You're at a workshop and they don't have a decent socket set and/or breaker bar?

What tha?

[aaronng]

Go and BUY stands... Your life is worth more than $40.

[1996ek1]

No im not at a workshop
I know a guy Peter that has a workshop, and i can borrow things.
But its not open untill 29th jan.

I wont bother taking this stupid plug out, ill take it to mechanics and pay the price like a real person. lol

[bennjamin]

yes , do that. Clearly you have NFI what to do.

BTW dont overtighten nuts or bolts !

[1996ek1]

Clearly you have NFI what to do.

Lol.... your telling me...

[bennjamin]

so go go go pay someone lol ! dont risk ur life :)

[1996ek1]

hahah tomorrow i am!
First thing in morning


close thread if you like ~

[panda[cRx]]

lmfao this thread is gold :)

[1996ek1]

lol go away

[1996ek1]

Took it to mechanics, he removed sump plug, and changed my oil while i was there, for free. Lol.

What a waist of time and money, i spend like $12 on a 17mm socket, so the mechanic could do it for free. haha

Atleast its done now.... and i have the socket for next time

[vinnY]

so what did he do that was different to you? turn it anti clockwise? :p

[1996ek1]

Lol, a hoist ( so he had a ton of leverage) and a huge braker bar...