B16 or b18

[hondavti25]

Hey, Just woundering considering the 2 engines are fairly simular only the b18 has more tourque would it make that much of a differance? for the extra cash is the b18c worth its wieght ? or for a upgrade for a D series would a b16 do the trick with light mods? still looking for options any suggestions be awesome.

[ZeForce]

Hey, Just woundering considering the 2 engines are fairly simular only the b18 has more tourque would it make that much of a differance? for the extra cash is the b18c worth its wieght ? or for a upgrade for a D series would a b16 do the trick with light mods? still looking for options any suggestions be awesome.

The torque makes a huge difference, if you are gonna go to the trouble of doing engine swap might as well go with the B18c IMO

[fatboyz39]

b18c.

[[[d a n n y]]]

b18c probably.

[TheSaint]

i have been considering the same thing...

i own an EG and i owned a Dc2 as well (vti-r b18c), i dont think i wanna go with a b18c again... (conversion is for the EG, ot only has a sohc 1.5ltr no-vtec) the torgue was nice but from what i have seen the b16 is more revvy... and i dont think i could do the whole b18 thing again... im gona go for a b16 for more cash for mods and something different

experience and thoughts apreciated, im making a sleeper, but not syco power... i was even considering leaving the exhaust stock

[Q_ball]

b18c without a doubt!

[rayb3na_]

depends really in what direction, but most people upgrade frmo the b16 to b18 anyways so save yourself the hassle and money just go b18c! or go b16 and wiht the 2g's left over work the head.. quicker then b18 ;]

[[[d a n n y]]]

b16a and b18c have the same rev limit.
bigger capacity is better

[hondavti25]

so for the couple extra hundred its defs better for the b18c and considering its going into the slightly heavier ej8 thanks guys :) just needed confirmation

[VTEC@14.7psi]

have you considered k20?

[teh_mechanic]

so for the couple extra hundred its defs better for the b18c and considering its going into the slightly heavier ej8 thanks guys :) just needed confirmation

its not really just an extra couple of hundred.imo the jump in cash to a b18c isnt worth it when you can buy a b16 halfcut for $3000ish,work the head and put an exhaust on it which will take your budget up to about the same as buying a stock b18c,but the worked b16 will be faster

but in saying that im a bit biased as i have b16,if i had the cash for a b18c7,i would of of done it,but they were going for like $6000 a halfcut when i was buying.

[hondavti25]

have you considered k20?

K20 is well out of my budget i can think of alot better things to do with 15 grand. Ill be happy to get out of the hole thing paying around 6-7 for the coversion.

But yeah like maybe if i can get a cheaper b16a and do a lil work to that maybe it be a lil better. b16 conversion i should be able to get for about 4.5 k aye?

[`OzLude]

just a quiery..

if the b16 is roughly 4.5g

how much would it also cost to convert it a car to manual??:confused:

[teh_mechanic]

yeah 4.5k is about what your looking at if your getting someone else to put it in for you.a halfcut for $3000 is a good find.$3500 is about normal,anything over would want to have something special (already modded etc.)

[teh_mechanic]

just a quiery..

if the b16 is roughly 4.5g

how much would it also cost to convert it a car to manual??:confused:

if your doing the b16 conversion,get a halfcut with a manual box,then its a matter of finding the parts that dont come with your halfcut to do the rest of the manual conversion,depends on what came with the halfcut.you might need shift linkage (should come in halfcut), interior pieces etc you may need

[TheSaint]

y would u spend the money n hassle upgrading from a vtec b16 to a vetc b18?

the only reason i could suggest upgrade would be to type-r or if u have sohc no vtec gayness >.< lol

arnt both motors very similar? i didnt notice much diff from my teg to a del sol, teg was torquey but the b16 was revy, otherwise they wer fairly similar

[hondavti25]

I have a standard ej8 so i have a d16y8 i am just inbetween a b16 or 18 conversion depending on budget and results. Ive got 2 options.
1 b16 with light mods IHE maybe cams
2 standb16 with headers is all id be able to get straight up.

[ZeForce]

Seriously guys the B16a's "revviness" doesnt make up for its lack of torque. IMHO it is worth spending the extra money and getting a B18c, it is just a better all-round engine. If you do choose to go for a B16a then I would suggest a shorter final drive and light flywheel be the first mods you do.

[Gio]

mmmmmmmm b series...

[Benson]

Seriously guys the B16a's "revviness" doesnt make up for its lack of torque. IMHO it is worth spending the extra money and getting a B18c, it is just a better all-round engine. If you do choose to go for a B16a then I would suggest a shorter final drive and light flywheel be the first mods you do.

^^ B18c is a better engine overall. Type R packages is the best b-series you could buy. HAving said that, our semi-bult b16a is much more fun to drive. But from stock to sotkc point of view, b18c for sure.

[TheSaint]

what price ranges are you looking for on each package?
and what years/models of engine are better to look for?

also do u need the gearbox+clutch as well or do u use the original stuff in your civic?

is it better to buy them pre-worked or stock?

[hondavti25]

budget is between 6-7
car is a ej8
expectations i am after 14s and eventually 13s for a easy goal.
An easy drive that will suprise those who dont expect it. nothing crazy just more fun and reliable then my y8

[ZeForce]

budget is between 6-7
car is a ej8
expectations i am after 14s and eventually 13s for a easy goal.
An easy drive that will suprise those who dont expect it. nothing crazy just more fun and reliable then my y8

Go for a B18c or B20VTEC ;)

[hondavti25]

hhhm ive been told b20ill cost just as much but maynot be as reliable unless its built. something like that any ways

[TheSaint]

whats involved in making a b20vtec?

also the questions i posted before were for the pros... im in the same boat you are!

[timster1200]

considered a b16b yet revs like a bastard...

[NightKids]

B16B costs heaps!

[ZeForce]

B20VTEC > B18c > B16b > B16a

[bigjo5]

note there is two b18c's in your choices either type r b18c5/7 or your b18c2 vtir the vtir is abit cheaper then the type r aswel

[Limbo]

budget is between 6-7
car is a ej8
expectations i am after 14s and eventually 13s for a easy goal.
An easy drive that will suprise those who dont expect it. nothing crazy just more fun and reliable then my y8


with that budget, your gonna have a hard time to get 14s let alone 13s in an ej8. The ej8 is pretty heavy. Your gonna need quite abit of work to get those times, and i don't think your budget will be enough

Best way with that budget is boosted D series.

[fatboyz39]

LOL @ D-series turbo. B-series is heaps better than D-turbo. Better gearbox, reliable engine and the list goes on.

IF you like the wank factor than D-series turbo FTW!.. LOL

[wpn.ls]

If its going to be driven around alot.. i wouldnt recommend the 16..you'd be cruizing at 5RPM!! haha

the 18 is pretty damn good considering its weight. Altho.. do one better? go for a B18a & throw a type R head on it! :D

[Benson]

Yes although the LS-vtec is a good combo, you'll end up spending the same amount as the B18c. I dont think the LS-vtec is one step better.

[B16bcivic]

b16a conversion you get it for cheaper, just meet the right guys and its cheap. I gots my b16a installed for only 3g

[teh_mechanic]

all in all,i love my b16 and im a big fan of them,but with the weight of your car it would really stuggle without the torque of the b18 so id recommend you go the b18,and even then it will take some mods to get 14/13 second quarter miles

[B16bcivic]

I love all vtect engines, but I recommend the B18c bro. Will just bolt and fit into your car easy, no doubt. Will cost around the same price as b16 no diff unless they rip you off.

To run a 14/13 sec 1/4 mile damns you have to do alot to it to even pull a good flate 14. Even a fully modified b18cR worked engine can only pull 13.5secs.

[timster1200]

B16B costs heaps!

Got my b16b with i/h/e for around 8k with gearbox and everything installed. Actual engine itself cost 6k, that would be around budget.

[wpn.ls]

all in all,i love my b16 and im a big fan of them,but with the weight of your car it would really stuggle without the torque of the b18 so id recommend you go the b18,and even then it will take some mods to get 14/13 second quarter miles

Yeh.. the torque of the b18 ^^ its a beautiful thang! haha

[J_Phongsavan]

i planned to chuck a JDM b18C VTIR into my EJ8... same reason as hondavti25... i dun wanna spend too much for an engine... i just want it for cruising and mostly track n drag... also something new and decent DOHC motor to play around with.... as long i hab a DOHC, dens its ok for me... so b18C is the engine you should go with...

[jdmlvn]

i planned to chuck a JDM b18C VTIR into my EJ8... same reason as hondavti25... i dun wanna spend too much for an engine... i just want it for cruising and mostly track n drag... also something new and decent DOHC motor to play around with.... as long i hab a DOHC, dens its ok for me... so b18C is the engine you should go with...

Duck man!!! sounds like you have a big plan there... only cruising, drag and track... isnt that pretty much everything? lol

if you're looking to JDM B18C your car, you'll need the full half cut and you're looking around 5-6k just for the half cut + labour! unless you wanna do it yourself? lol

[EK1.6LCIV]

B18C ftw, if u get bored with it just stroke it, so many options

altho in saying it if your keen go the K20 as its a dream swap

[TheSaint]

whats the diff between the JDM b18c and the AUSDM b18c from the vti-r's?

i agree as long as its dohc vtec than its good =)

[Phuong1987]

jdm b18c (sir)=132kw (around there)
ausdm b18c2 = 125kw

[VT1-R]

lol u should look at my thread in allmotor.. same question. haha..

Anyway b18c gives no replacement for displacement and has more potential if worked upon.. Get that if you gonna mod your car nicely and want maximum potential..

For b16a.. I/H/E, HD Clutch,Light flywheel,tuning+abit of stripping n light wheels is as fast as a stock B18c no doubt.. But at the end of day do you want to spend so much on a b16a and then look back and think that a b18c will have gave me the power straight up and cheaper...I sort of regretted spending alot of b16a when i wasnt so educated about cars.. Now knowing more.. a b18c straight up and whether u wan to mod it or not. You already have a high 14s/low low 15s car straight up in ur ej8 stock... thats from my experience..But b16a is fast too.. b18c is however faster..

[B16bcivic]

whats the diff between the JDM b18c and the AUSDM b18c from the vti-r's?

i agree as long as its dohc vtec than its good =)

as stated already but i will make it clear.

JDM = better, genuine, more kw and hp
AUDM = shit, non genuine, less kw and hp

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b20b v3 setup - woot

[90LAN]

see if u can go for a spin in either car with the set ups so u know what u want !
better to spend money and get a good motor than be a tight ass and get a cheap shit motor and have troubles down the track
i love both motors
end of the day b18c for me

[B16bcivic]

ey y not get my motor, 12,500g b20b v3 setup, or u want the whole car 4 $16,000g lol.

[rcdc.2]

I would go for the B18C7 engine, from experience driving both, b16a and a b18c7 on a civic, B18c7 you would feel more pull, where as the b16a unless u get into Vtec, theres not much difference.