Accord Euro Compatible Rim Limits.

[Crapdaz]

Hi All,

Sorry to bring up an old thread and all but been searching and i havent found an answer.

I was wondering what is the maximum limit size (size/width/offset) on rims that an accord euro can accomodate without rolling your guards?

ATM my ideal sized rims i was thinking of were 18x8.5 (+48) running on 225/40/18 tyres

Otherwise i would be going for 18x7.5 (+48) running on 225/40/18 tyres (<---- is that tyre size suitable for a 18x7.5?????)

Are there any problems with that? Please give me your opinion.
Many thanks to you ALL!!!:)
Daz

[Crapdaz]

Also to include, I do not want to lose performance due to oversized rims.

[TEMPTN]

stockies the best bet yet

[yfin]

Also to include, I do not want to lose performance due to oversized rims.

What is your budget? If you want to keep the overall weight including tyres the same with going to 18" you are going to need to look at light weight rims - eg forged rims.

As for the rim size - why do you see 8.5" as ideal? 225/40/18 fits on 7.5", 8 and 8.5".

[sodaz]

18" will kill performance unless you have very expensive lightweight forged rims.

[Crapdaz]

<P>Thanks for the response.</P>
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<P>yfin - Well since im a noob i was thinking wider tyres would help partly with good handling. Correct me if i am wrong.</P>
<P>But also the sizes of&nbsp;7.5 or 8.5 as they are the sizes that are available for that particular rim. </P>
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<P><STRONG>NOTE!</STRONG> RIM - 5zigen Pro racer GN+ (BRONZE) --&gt; Charcoal Euro</P>
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<P>Any suggestions on nice bronze rims to suit a charcoal euro?</P>

[Crapdaz]

Sorry about previous reponse screwy IE.

[martin]

18s will look real funny on a euro, u gota go 20s and slam it 225 are good enough on a euro as for the offset +45 id say

[EUR003act]

18s will look real funny on a euro, u gota go 20s and slam it 225 are good enough on a euro as for the offset +45 id say

18s look sexy on the euro.... i must admit, 19s are the perfect size for it, fill the guards nicely... but 20s!? no way dude! way to big for the euro, does not suit it at all! and euros look terrible slammed, 2-3" drop is perfect, sexify!

but considering he doesnt want to stuff up performance, id say lightweight 17s and lower maybe 1-2"...

[acool]

it will be sexy if u put 20inc deepdish chrome wheel,but it will kill performance

[EK Civic R]

I reckon stay with 17s and just get wider rims.
Say 17x7.5 or 17x8s..

Otherwise like sodaz said unless if you get light weight wheels which will cost you an arm and a leg..

[Crapdaz]

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR REPLIES.

Just one thing, if i am changing the brake calipers.

How do i know if i am going to clear the brake calipers? Does that cause the offset to vary from its original 45-55

I think i am definite with 18x7.5 and run 225/40/18.

[martin]

18s look sexy on the euro.... i must admit, 19s are the perfect size for it, fill the guards nicely... but 20s!? no way dude! way to big for the euro, does not suit it at all! and euros look terrible slammed, 2-3" drop is perfect, sexify!

but considering he doesnt want to stuff up performance, id say lightweight 17s and lower maybe 1-2"...

hu sed euros look terible slammed?? oh well i guess each to their own but look at temptn's euro his is slammmed on 20s i dont see wat looks so terrible about that.. dusnt matter if u get 17x8 or 8.5 ur still able to fit 225 i think even up to 265 cant remember

[tron07]

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR REPLIES.

Just one thing, if i am changing the brake calipers.

How do i know if i am going to clear the brake calipers? Does that cause the offset to vary from its original 45-55

I think i am definite with 18x7.5 and run 225/40/18.

1. Are you changing to calipers with more pistons or bigger pistons?
2. Are you changing for looks or performance?

If the answer to 1 is yes, then your braking performance will decrease, unless you change to a bigger master brake cylinder....

And you will also probably need to engineer to certify your car.

[Crapdaz]

Thanks, tron07.

A little bit off topic but searching online and all, Forged VS Cast Rims.... Overall which rim is the better type and why?
It's different as from the producing process and all (forged is stronger) but in experience has anyone had problems with both types of these rims.

[hooboy]

Forged I believe and know that is better thatn cast as they are more rigid, somebody told me.

By the way, I need help here. I've been researching and scratching my head to calculate this but it get me more confused. I am about to buy a wheel with this spec 18x8 42+ combined with tyre 225 or 235/40/18, initial wheel is stock 17x7. Will that fit? meet the legal use on road? will it rub? and do I need to roll the guard? I've been trying to calculate with many resources but guess that I am still a newbie in this topic. Just to let you know that i have lower my euro with coilover with good or over 1 finger gap between rubber and guard all round.

Cheers

[Uzzi]

18x8 42+ will NOT fit.....I run 19x8 45+ with 235/35 tyres and I am lowered similar to you. By right you should not rub.

[hooboy]

18x8 42+ will fit.....I run 19x8 45+ with 235/35 tyres and I am lowered similar to you. By right you should not rub.

So then in my case, my wheel will be extended out by 3 mm if I am running on +42. But will it be legal though, coz I dont want to be pulled by cops and do I need to roll my guard if I have 1 finger gaps all round?

Cheers

[euro77]

RTA has a guide for wheel modifications
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi09_rev4.pdf
If you follow their guide, you will be fine (although some cops may still book you in but then you can proof that your modification is legal).

each state may have different guide, check your local road and transportation authority.

[tony1234]

So then in my case, my wheel will be extended out by 3 mm if I am running on +42. But will it be legal though, coz I dont want to be pulled by cops and do I need to roll my guard if I have 1 finger gaps all round?

Cheers
OEM rim offset is +55.I've been told +45 is the most you should go.My rims are 17s with +48 offset.With the setup you're looking at getting i think your tyres will rub on the guards.

[hooboy]

RTA has a guide for wheel modifications
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi09_rev4.pdf
If you follow their guide, you will be fine (although some cops may still book you in but then you can proof that your modification is legal).

each state may have different guide, check your local road and transportation authority.

Thanks for the link, it helps in making my decision.

Cheers

[hooboy]

OEM rim offset is +55.I've been told +45 is the most you should go.My rims are 17s with +48 offset.With the setup you're looking at getting i think your tyres will rub on the guards.

Even if my clearance between rubber and guard is more than 1 finger gap?

Cheer

[EUR003act]

Even if my clearance between rubber and guard is more than 1 finger gap?

Cheer

if theres more than a finger gap, then no i cant see it being able to rub...

on my rear i can only just fit my finger between tyre and metal at the top of the guards... but it doesnt rub :D

[Crapdaz]

rofl

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Originally Posted by hooboy http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/images/aria/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1523133#post1523133)
Even if my clearance between rubber and guard is more than 1 finger gap?

Cheer

if theres more than a finger gap, then no i cant see it being able to rub...

on my rear i can only just fit my finger between tyre and metal at the top of the guards... but it doesnt rub :D

Damn man lucky your in ACT. Sydney with 1finger gap you would die on the road. Scraping everywhere.

[Uzzi]

Essentially....whether the tyre touches the guard will depend on a number of factors e.g method of lowering, tyre type, how you drive, no. of ppl you carry, etc. As mentioned +45 is about max you will want to go. The Euro is a pain in the butt for rims due to the high offset unless you go for exotic forged rims.

[Uzzi]

oops...my bad I just looked at my post +42 will not fit...sorry.

[hooboy]

oops...my bad I just looked at my post +42 will not fit...sorry.

Aoww what.... I just bought the rim..... oh man...
why is it not fit? gimme reason please

Cheers

[Uzzi]

on +45 with 235/35 tyres the front is right on the edge of the guards already. With +42 I think it will protrude past the guards.

[hooboy]

on +45 with 235/35 tyres the front is right on the edge of the guards already. With +42 I think it will protrude past the guards.

if it protrude past the guard, is it illegal? cos I checked RTA rules it is ok as long it the overall wheeltrack for the upgraded wheel do not pass 1 inch increment and +42 is still within the limit.

[Uzzi]

hmmmm....hard to say as each state has different ruling as to what is legal. As far as I know, most police do not like to see wheel and tyres sticking out past the guards.

[hooboy]

hmmmm....hard to say as each state has different ruling as to what is legal. As far as I know, most police do not like to see wheel and tyres sticking out past the guards.

Hmm true true

by the way yours is using 235/35 on 8" wide? is the whell sidewall goes out like a dougnat or straight? Thinking if I use 225 will make the wheel less pretruding.

Cheers

[Uzzi]

Mine is essentially a pretty 'square' meaning the tyre is straight when you view it from the front of the car (no bulge on the sidewall). I have seen some people 'squeezing' a smaller width tyre on. The sidewall will angle in towards the car. This will give you more clearance in terms rubbing and also a stiffer sidewall. However, watch those kerbs as the lip of the rim is more prominent.

[hooboy]

Mine is essentially a pretty 'square' meaning the tyre is straight when you view it from the front of the car (no bulge on the sidewall). I have seen some people 'squeezing' a smaller width tyre on. The sidewall will angle in towards the car. This will give you more clearance in terms rubbing and also a stiffer sidewall. However, watch those kerbs as the lip of the rim is more prominent.

Oh Well,

I will see how it goes then. Thanks for letting me know, I think I need to see it first hand if 225 will give the solution.

Thanks buddy

Cheers

[Uzzi]

No Probs...have look at the 'appearence gallery' under 'post some clean cl7 and cl9' section. There is a black euro on the second last page...you will see what i mean about the rims protruding part. That car is running air suspension so funny offsets is not going to affect him too much...but you will get an idea of what I mean.

[Weerty]

i just saw one of uzzi's posts, and i thought i'd add my 2 cents worth in..

I have semi recently thrown on a set of 19x7.5's (Advanti Overdose) with a 225 - 35 profile tyre on..

I was advised by the guys fitting my rims at WestState Tyres (WA), that because i had planned to lower it, and with the +45 offset, the widest i could go would be a 7.5" wide, without it hitting the front gards...

This was a shame, because i had my heart set on a set of 19x8's (different rim style).
(We actually tried fitting one of these on the front, but found it stuck out that bit too far..)

So in summary.. 7.5" is the biggest you can go if you plan on lowering and not rolling the gaurds.. BUT
if you dont want to lower it, and you dont mind having the rim stick out from the gaurd, then go up to 8" / 8.5".... but the the police may have something to say about the rims pertruding from the gaurds...

Hope this helps...

[Uzzi]

Well I must admit on mine the wheel is right on the edge of the front guard and I have lowered it. Its roughtly 0.5 a finger at the back and about 1.5 finger gap at the front (the back looks lower as the guard is not completely round). I do plan to lower the front abit more (prob 10mm more). I guess I depends how much you really want to lower it by...thus far so far so good for me.

Choosing a rim for the Euro is such a pain. You really have to do your research to get rims to suit. Is Weststate Tyres on Albany highway?

[Weerty]

Yeah, WestState Tyres is at 1151-1153 Albany Hwy, Bently (WA).
http://www.weststatetyres.com.au/

I went there previously with my civic and got some Enkei NTO3's and they sorted out the suspension too..
http://www.weststatetyres.com.au/showcase/cache/honda-civic/HONDA-CIVIC.jpg_595.jpg

but your right, finding rims was a pain... you HAVE TO do research!!!

[CL9-K24A3]

Hi All,

Sorry to bring up an old thread and all but been searching and i havent found an answer.

I was wondering what is the maximum limit size (size/width/offset) on rims that an accord euro can accomodate without rolling your guards?

ATM my ideal sized rims i was thinking of were 18x8.5 (+48) running on 225/40/18 tyres

Otherwise i would be going for 18x7.5 (+48) running on 225/40/18 tyres (<---- is that tyre size suitable for a 18x7.5?????)

Are there any problems with that? Please give me your opinion.
Many thanks to you ALL!!!:)
Daz

Depend on you, wanna go with half looks and still can go perfomance or you wanna go with perfomance?

if perfomance, go with 18" (forged rims like volk racing/Advan) or 17".but euro use 17" inch for me its a big NO.cause i dont like the looks:p.

for looks go with 19 inch maximum.20 inch is too big.you will get headache for sure.if you use 20 inch, perfomance is :thumbdwn::thumbdwn:.

for 19 inch or any other size, i would recommend the lowest offset you can go is +42. i used 19 inch +45 on my euro.widht 8" and 8.5".tyres 225/35 and 235/35. dats a very very perfect fit. +42 offset its still ok.one of my friend use 19 inch SSR offset +42 widht and tyres same like mine.he seems ok.no problem at all.

no rub at all.still can go with full load.looks nice.no headache at all:p.perfomance is still good.high speed in cornering also good, dont need to roll ur guard.

if you wanna go with big size rims and perfomance as well, go with 19 inch and buy forged rims/lightweight rims like SSR, HRE, Iforged.

[hooboy]

Depend on you, wanna go with half looks and still can go perfomance or you wanna go with perfomance?

if perfomance, go with 18" (forged rims like volk racing/Advan) or 17".but euro use 17" inch for me its a big NO.cause i dont like the looks:p.

for looks go with 19 inch maximum.20 inch is too big.you will get headache for sure.if you use 20 inch, perfomance is :thumbdwn::thumbdwn:.

for 19 inch or any other size, i would recommend the lowest offset you can go is +42. i used 19 inch +45 on my euro.widht 8" and 8.5".tyres 225/35 and 235/35. dats a very very perfect fit. +42 offset its still ok.one of my friend use 19 inch SSR offset +42 widht and tyres same like mine.he seems ok.no problem at all.

no rub at all.still can go with full load.looks nice.no headache at all:p.perfomance is still good.high speed in cornering also good, dont need to roll ur guard.

if you wanna go with big size rims and perfomance as well, go with 19 inch and buy forged rims/lightweight rims like SSR, HRE, Iforged.

Just to follow up though, so if I have 18x8 +42 using 235/40/18 my rear shouldn't touch the guard, knowing that you are using 19x8.5 +45 with 235/35/19 on rear wheel and not rubbing and since yours would be 3mm more outward than mine. Your thought?

Cheers

[Uzzi]

I went to Weststate Tyres as well....they could not help me. In Perth it is very difficult for dealers that can help you with rims to suit (both pricing and fitment). I think I have only seen about 3 Euros with rims and are lowered.

[Uzzi]

For wheel offset http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp

For tyre size calculator use http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

[Weerty]

This is my euro, with the 19x7.5's. (Not lowered - to be done soon)
The ride height looks a bit funny without lowering it, but i didnt have the cash at the time.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2007/1530418525_1582f7787f_b.jpg

[CL9-K24A3]

Just to follow up though, so if I have 18x8 +42 using 235/40/18 my rear shouldn't touch the guard, knowing that you are using 19x8.5 +45 with 235/35/19 on rear wheel and not rubbing and since yours would be 3mm more outward than mine. Your thought?

Cheers

am not pretty sure with +42.my friend use +42 and 19 inch.same tyres profile like mine.but he doesnt lower his car untill like mine.i lowered my car untill around 3-4mm of my rear tyres go inside the guard.if you use +42 the worst case, you just need to roll ur guard a bit.its easy and not expensive to roll ur guard.you should be ok i guess using +42:thumbsup:.

[Crapdaz]

Another one to throw at you guys for when changing your rims, when you change your rims for aftermarket ones do you normally do a straight swap or would you need locating rings etc? Your experiences with your own wheels.

[Uzzi]

Depends on the rim but most times u have to get a hub ring to suit.

[Crapdaz]

Okay, springing another question.

Do you guys when increasing your size of wheel from e.g 16"-> 18" or so forth, wheel alignment, wheel balancing is a must.

What about recalibrating your speedo? Cause bigger wheels would cause your speedo to be out.

Where is a reputable place that would help recalibrate speedo or do tyre places normally recalibrate it for you when they install wheels/tyres for you?

Many thanks for your replies. =P
Noob Daz.

[Weerty]

Okay, springing another question.

Do you guys when increasing your size of wheel from e.g 16"-> 18" or so forth, wheel alignment, wheel balancing is a must.

What about recalibrating your speedo? Cause bigger wheels would cause your speedo to be out.

Where is a reputable place that would help recalibrate speedo or do tyre places normally recalibrate it for you when they install wheels/tyres for you?

Many thanks for your replies. =P
Noob Daz.

When increasing the size of the wheel, doesnt always mean that you increase the size of the rolling diameter of the tyre... it will depend on the size of wheel, and the profile of the tyre you get..

Obviously if you go from a 15" to a 22" rim, then you will have some issues, but if you only increase the rim size by a couple of inches, you can usually find a tyre that has a decrease profile to combat the size difference.

The few times that i have swapped over standard rims and tyres for after market rims and performance tyres, the difference in rolling diameter has been negligable, so i havent bothered on recalibrating my speedo, just gotta keep it in mind when you see those little men in blue, or those revenue raising camera's to pull back a km/ph or 2 from the limit.

Otherwise, going to any service centre such as an ultratune or somewhere like that is fine.. you dont need to go to a specialist place to have it done unless you feel like parting with some extra cash...!

Just find the specs for your current tyres rolling diameter and try to get the new tyres about the same.

(This has been my experiance, any one please feel free to proove me wrong.)

[hongster]

i read somewhere with the sat/nav system theres a hidden funtion to chabge the rim/tire size dont know if true

(i cant seem to find it now, i cant find the hidden coolant temp proceedure either--- argh cocaine its a hell of a drug!)

[EUR003act]

i read somewhere with the sat/nav system theres a hidden funtion to chabge the rim/tire size dont know if true

(i cant seem to find it now, i cant find the hidden coolant temp proceedure either--- argh cocaine its a hell of a drug!)

here ya go buddy :D
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17777&highlight=euro+diagnostic

[Weerty]

that is so the distance to/from and speed calculations are accurate in the sat/nav itself - to my knowledge, this will not recalibrate the speedo for you.

[Uzzi]

Lower it for better look and handling.

[ryyaaannnn]

so.. just to clarify.. since im new at this..

19inch rims, +45 offset (better option than +42)
8inch width

235/35 tyres

would i need to lower it or change suspension? wat do u guys reckon?

i want the rims to look big and fat.. but dont wanna have any problems or have to change too much..

[ryyaaannnn]

yeah.. i would like to.. but wouldnt it affect the ride and turning?

[Weerty]

imho, 19x7.5 would be the biggest you go if you want to do some decent lowering (keeping the wheels inside the gaurds...)
if you go 19x8, you may be able to put sports springs on.. but be careful going over any bumps, as when i had the wheel place put on a set of 18's to trial, they will hit the front gaurds..

another option you might like to considder is 7.5's for the front, and 8's or above for the rear... then you can put some coilovers on it and slam it to the ground. :)

[Uzzi]

First thing to do is to decide how much you want to spend on wheels and suspension. This will ultimately decide what sort of look and handling you are going to get. Also consider what sort of driving you are going to do e.g do you carry passengers around alot or are you going to track the car?

If you just want to change the rims to 235x35x8x19 and ride on the standard suspension, you will not scrap at all. Say you lower it to a 2 finger gap it still will not scrap. Bring it down to 1 finger gap it will start to scrap but very minimal.
The Euro is a heavy car, by just changing to shorter springs only, the handling will suffer as the original dampers will not be able to cope properly. As for ride and comfort, a good set of coilovers will allow you to control that. Trust me you can have it relatively low, with low profile tyres and still ride very comfortably.