My little b16 Build finally tuned

[Limbo]

no more honda builds
http://au.geocities.com/uwsplt/myturbo.JPG

[mrwillz]

that sounds like a scary b16 u got there
i want vids!

[Benson]

Nice number... talkin it to the 1/4mile?

[Limbo]

yeah gonna go out on one of these Weds to see what 1/4 i get. Just depends when i can get time off

[mooshie]

Is Performance Exhaust in Northmead? Got pics of some of the work done? I seem to hear a lot of good things about these guys.

[dupac->]

nice.

have u been to 1/4 mile when it was n/a?

[G3RA1D]

awesome #'s dude.
Got any more info on ur setup.?

[Sexc86]

nice man.. just goes to show what results you get when useing a quality turbo. I want to see some 1st / 2nd gear pulls!!

[fatboyz39]

wow 160kw atw... should be easy 12 second passs aye?

[zco]

yehh. 160kw's sounds pretty crazy. 12seconds for sure

[Limbo]

no more honda builds

[Limbo]

P.S i found out that my knock sensor died, anyone have a spare one around for a b-series?

[fatboyz39]

yeah pm me.

[Limbo]

pic up

[EKVTIR-T]

Congrat's.Your gonna enjoy it.
Although no traction's sucks.

[Limbo]

yeah gotta get an LSD, but i'll just live with it until i get the cash.
Using the last of it for engineering
Depleted atm, so selling all my NA stuff

[kn1ghtm4r3]

some crazy power figures =D from a b16t.

wouldnt mind giving us a est of what it cost yah would u ?

[[ricer]]

pwoar you the crazy kid!
looking good limbo

[Limbo]

no more honda builds

[dupac->]

yeah.. traction would be fun.

johnny i think is pushin similiar figures to yours and he has trouble with traction at wsid.

but yeah.. crazy.. when you think u be running it?

awesome shiet dude :thumbsup:

[fatboyz39]

Well losing traction is all about throttle control. We had a b16a turbo with 150kw+ and we had no problems whatsoover.

[dupac->]

yeah johnny probably has a fat foot.

what that b16 turbo run jim?

[fatboyz39]

Never got a chance to run it @ WSID. Around low 13's-mid 13's. High 12's is puhsing it tho.

[Limbo]

Will run it down Eastern creek one of these Weds, as soon as i can get time off work

[DLO01]

Wow, thats awsome man. Well done. :thumbsup:

[e240]

Nice going.... :-)

You have a nice car going there.

[Limbo]

Thanks guys.
Leo - hopefully will be able to get around the track with you sometime

[hondavti25]

how this set up set you back mate

[[ricer]]

how this set up set you back mate


cost alot more than i expect, came out better than i expected.
Car is being sponsored by Performance exhaust so i dunno the exact figures.

id allow at least 5k

[Teggy-Vtir]

awesome!!
cant wait to see dis monster out on the track.. =)

[VTC-8OY]

nice man. impressive results..

[RCS 20L]

Cant wait to see how this thing goes>>>
Nice figures... when are we going to WSID!!!!!

[Limbo]

no more honda builds

[Phat999]

how much did the turbo set-up cost u all up if u don't mind sharing?

[VTi_b0i]

he said over 4k not including tuning or labour... so add roughly another 1500-2000

[Sexc86]

f1 sound?

are you running internal or external wastegate? screamer?

this may sound silly, but seriously you should consider a OBX Helical Mechanical LSD. Very Affordable, and got lots and lots of good reviews in the states... unlike alot of their other junk.

around 1/3 the price of a qualfie or spoon lsd etc

[90LAN]

f1 sound?

are you running internal or external wastegate? screamer?

this may sound silly, but seriously you should consider a OBX Helical Mechanical LSD. Very Affordable, and got lots and lots of good reviews in the states... unlike alot of their other junk.

around 1/3 the price of a qualfie or spoon lsd etc

or just get a type r box cost less than buying lsd and getting box pulled apart to install then u can sell your b16 box

[Limbo]

no more honda builds

[Sexc86]

sorry does the ITR actually have a mechanical LSD standard? (thought it was a clutch lsd)

[Limbo]

yeah the ITR is a helical LSD, the OBX one is a copy of the ITR LSD

[destrukshn]

nah i have an internal waste gate, no screamer pipe.
Its a plumb back also.

Yeah the LSD is the next upgrade once i get some more money.

I'd get a type R box but i want a 4.4 FD, so maybe i can get my hands on an earlier ITR box
why do you want that fnal drive?
i got the 4.7 final drive from the late model audm ITR.
and i absolutly love it.
lol. can cruise in 5th everywhere
lol

[STOCK]

Drove this thing the other day, very nice indeed. Time to head out to WSID mr Limbo!

[Weq]

yeah the ITR is a helical LSD, the OBX one is a copy of the ITR LSD

Lol. You wish.

[Weq]

why do you want that fnal drive?
i got the 4.7 final drive from the late model audm ITR.
and i absolutly love it.
lol. can cruise in 5th everywhere
lol

Because turbos have torque, there is no need for short gears. You want longer gears actually. B18b box + helical LSD is the way to go.

[Limbo]

will be there in a mth need to sort out a few things with work

[Limbo]

Lol. You wish.

What do you mean the ITR LSD is not helical or that the OBX one is not a copy of the ITR?

Yeah i'd like to keep a 4.4 FD, i can still cruise around in 5th gear no issues.
That's why i will prob look for the earlier pre 98 ITR boxes

[1996ek1]

Can you please post more pics? lol

[[ricer]]

what kinda dump pipe u got limbo?

[STOCK]

he got the pussy quiet one =P I said screamer yo!

[Limbo]

rodfl
was told by haks that i can't run a screamer on a T28 as they do not seal properly, otherwise i would be venting exhaust fumes and get defected!

[[ricer]]

the other person u speak of that has the gt28 runs a screamer bro

[Limbo]

well i'm not gonna be able to be engineered if i get that now am i?

[Weq]

rodfl
was told by haks that i can't run a screamer on a T28 as they do not seal properly, otherwise i would be venting exhaust fumes and get defected!

Hmmmmmm..... you wouldnt want that mixing with all the exhaust gas that the wastegate is venting...

Screamers on internal gates = nissan rice

[Weq]

well i'm not gonna be able to be engineered if i get that now am i?

U will be defectable, even with a engineers certificate. It just means you can clear the defect without paying any money (you produce the engineers certificate at the pits) Cops wont even recognise the engineers certificate. They look at you, they laugh, and tell them to show someone who cares

"you could of changed anything since that was written, im not an expert, the pits will verify it. here is your canary. on your way. you got 7days to clear it"

[EG5]

Nice build :)
Should be good down the 1/4 mile and circuit

[Limbo]

thanks yonas

[tekung89]

160kw atw lol 12 sec right there, bad traction problem on launch i bet

[Lukezen27]

Limbo (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/member.php?u=2672) took me for a drive in his car yesterday.

Nice bit of run :thumbsup:

[destrukshn]

160kw atw lol 12 sec right there, bad traction problem on launch i bet
no doubt about it.
lol.
i wanna ride in limbos car to compare to my one.
lol.

[Limbo]

Luke - no worries, pity there wasn't much places to run it properly

Destrukshn - you should have came by also!

P.S i still need a knock sensor (OBD2) anyone able to hook me up?

[Lukezen27]

Luke - no worries, pity there wasn't much places to run it properly

Destrukshn - you should have came by also!

P.S i still need a knock sensor (OBD2) anyone able to hook me up?

Didn't Jimmy have one?

[Limbo]

nope apparently he had an OBD1 one only

[Lukezen27]

nope apparently he had an OBD1 one only

DOH!

Char

[TODA AU]

P.S i still need a knock sensor (OBD2) anyone able to hook me up?
Found one I'm not going to be using today...:thumbsup:
It's 2nd hand so may or may not be good...

[Limbo]

cool mate i'll drop by on sat thanks

[TODA AU]

No worries...

[Limbo]

just ran a v8 at the lights, have to say its hard to get traction at all. As soon as i hit over 5krpm i get wheel spin.

Gotta save for a LSD

[NightKids]

So did u win?

[Limbo]

was pretty much an even run as i couldn't get traction to move further in front

[Benson]

short shift next time?

[destrukshn]

just ran a v8 at the lights, have to say its hard to get traction at all. As soon as i hit over 5krpm i get wheel spin.

Gotta save for a LSD
lsd helps heaps
lol
lol

[fatboyz39]

LSD will help a bit, but majority will be how you drive the car.

[e240]

Ahem...guys...street racing...please stop.. :-)

[shebangs]

Go to the track and learn to drive it. No need to WOT first gear.

[Snoop_gee]

looks the goods... congrats !

[Limbo]

Ahem...guys...street racing...please stop.. :-)

No no not street racing, just gave it a spurt or so to see how it goes. :D

Will track as soon as i sort out the little things like knock sensor etc.

[kayot1k]

awesome mate, good figures.

lsd or not boosted FWD + heavy foot = bad traction.
i think you should just learn to play with throttle like fatboyz said.

[Weq]

awesome mate, good figures.

lsd or not boosted FWD + heavy foot = bad traction.
i think you should just learn to play with throttle like fatboyz said.

Hi-po FWD can be very hard to hookup. Get used to riding the limiter. drag radials, camber kit. All will help. But throttle modulation is the key. Its hard, cause u got no torque or power out of boost, but partial throttle boost isnt the easiest to acheive and maintain in the lower gears. Its aloosing battle though, in the end u need, at the tlgp, alot of slower/less powerful cars will blow your doors off. Honda's are for the hiway. lol. i know its sad but its true.

[[ricer]]

get an AVCR and control the boost thru gears limbo
time for some bigger wheels now... even my car spun the 15s so easily

[Limbo]

yeah guess its time to play with boost controller. Just haven't read the instructions yet

[fatboyz39]

If you had went for a Hondata S300 ECU you could adjust boost in each gear. I think S200 +boost will do it also?

[kayot1k]

just something i was looking into recently,
probably should check your engine mounts as well.
Probably going like innovative mounts or diy fill mounts will help alot with wheel hopping/traction.
heck even go for a full-race traction bar if your ballsy enough.
these two together should put you in the lead.

then again, you hafta check your tyres suspension etc to get best results....
its the consequence of upgrading yo, win some lose some.

(p.s if i remember correctly most traction bars dont comply with EK4 LCA)

[Limbo]

just something i was looking into recently,
probably should check your engine mounts as well.
Probably going like innovative mounts or diy fill mounts will help alot with wheel hopping/traction.
heck even go for a full-race traction bar if your ballsy enough.
these two together should put you in the lead.

then again, you hafta check your tyres suspension etc to get best results....
its the consequence of upgrading yo, win some lose some.

(p.s if i remember correctly most traction bars dont comply with EK4 LCA)


nearly all above been done or in the process


i've got the eboost which can adjust boost per gear anyway, dunno about the s300 if it had different boost control levels

[STOCK]

Get the e-boost set up for low boost in first and high in second +... thats if your wastegate actuator is pre-set to lower than 10psi...

[Limbo]

yeah stock wastegate at 6psi. You might need to gime a hand tuning dude, i'm not so good with so of this stuff

[kayot1k]

nearly all above been done or in the process


i've got the eboost which can adjust boost per gear anyway, dunno about the s300 if it had different boost control levels

Thats good limbo, let us know what works for you. :D:thumbsup:

[STR8E180]

have u got a dyno sheet?

[Limbo]

of course just lazy to scan it cos i'd have to goto work

[Lukezen27]

of course just lazy to scan it cos i'd have to goto work

lol me to

Lazy = sleep :p and I like sleep

[Limbo]

been busy with house renovation/destruction now so the little one is gonna be sitting home for a while

[jdm_kid]

gimme ur weds sport wheels.

[[ricer]]

gimme ur honda civic.
lmao

[nigs]

160kw and no LSD.
ROFL fark that!

Also, nice numbers for a 1.6+gt28R.

Any comments on PFC vs Hondata?
Cost of PFC for B series?

[[ricer]]

160kw and no LSD.
ROFL fark that!

Also, nice numbers for a 1.6+gt28R.

Any comments on PFC vs Hondata?
Cost of PFC for B series?

if i was to do it
id go power FC over hondata anyday!.. for obd2 motors that is

powerFC 2nd hand is like $700

hondata s100 - $295
old obd1 ecu - $200
conversion harness - $150
roughly $650 there

ur car will be running an older ECU which was originally designed for an older car... blah blah blah

powerFC= plug and play :thumbsup:

[FastFwd]

Im running similar setup - b16a2 with gt28rs and Power FC, got 240hp atw's on 7psi.

[fatboyz39]

hondata s300 over Power Fc anyday!

[Limbo]

Ricer i want the wed sports back! lol

[Limbo]

for an easy setup i like the PFC less hassel to get it up and running

[fatboyz39]

1/4 mile yet? Interesting to see what it'll run

[Limbo]

nope haven't even had time to change the tyres yet ;(

[STOCK]

1/4 mile yet? Interesting to see what it'll run

been hassling him since his car was N/A...always has an excuse to get out of it :thumbdwn:

[Limbo]

lol, pity i can't run your car it would be fun

[STOCK]

Still sort of can, motors now fitted to new doner vehicle with similar weight =)

[[ricer]]

Still sort of can, motors now fitted to new doner vehicle with similar weight =)

that cars got way too many coats of paint and got more doors with bigger wheels then limbo...
no way has he got a chance against this ek4....

oh has he...:o
haha

[STOCK]

;1624511']that cars got way too many coats of paint and got more doors with bigger wheels then limbo...
no way has he got a chance against this ek4....

oh has he...:o
haha

Need For Speed Spec FTW :thumbsup:

[Lukezen27]

lol, pity i can't run your car it would be fun

I'd love to give Limbo a go ;)

SOHC VTEC Turbo V DOHC VTEC Turbo :thumbsup:

Lets arrage something when I get back from Thailand :)

[fatboyz39]

how about beat the n/a cars first :P

[barefootbonzai]

how about beat the n/a cars fast :P

lmao.

[Lukezen27]

how about beat the n/a cars first :P

Any time baby anytime ;)

poor old no LSD :(

[SLOWEGG]

no need for lsd..

Hope to see this car run some good times, see what the extra 15kw on top of the power i made can do.

[krogoth]

how can u say no need for lsd??

i complain about my car not having lsd and i have a stock d17, lolol

[Lukezen27]

no need for lsd..

Hope to see this car run some good times, see what the extra 15kw on top of the power i made can do.

Yeah man I'm looking forward to seeing what 130KW ATW can do even without LSD :thumbsup:


how can u say no need for lsd??

i complain about my car not having lsd and i have a stock d17, lolol

But yeah I need LSD but mainly for the rain not power lol

[SLOWEGG]

how can u say no need for lsd??

i complain about my car not having lsd and i have a stock d17, lolol

Get better tyres. Never had traction problems unless 1st gear.

But i am waiting anxiously to see what Limbo's beast can do. I was hoping with my old setup to make as much power as his but the motor didn't cut it, too old.

[Benson]

Yes all you need is some good rubber... LSD is overrated!

[krogoth]

cmon, wat about on the exit of a strong corner on the track? lsd would have huge advantages

[Limbo]

LSD is another helping hand. But since i've spent so much on the house i can't afford the LSD now. Gotta wait for it now. Maybe the gf will by me one for my bday ;)
I'll just get some T1Rs for street and use the semi slicks(hope they aren't too heat hardened) i got for the drag strip.

If anyone is offering to help with the house it will speed up my time to reach the drag strips ;)

P.S Krogoth - your right LSD on a turbo or any high powered car helps alot, especially out of corners. I have traction problems as is

[STOCK]

If anyone is offering to help with the house it will speed up my time to reach the drag strips ;)


Cant help you there my schedule is full. Not doing anything for anyone until i get my projects finished.
I guess i wont see you at the track WSID or Wakefield for that matter for a few years, unless you manage to scam the guys from backyard blitz to pay your property a visit ;)

[STOCK]

Yes all you need is some good rubber... LSD is overrated!

Agreed in a straight line LSD is not essential, unless you like to turn your steering wheel quite a bit while drag racing.

[krogoth]

yeh but limbo, ur gona track ur baby as well as drag right?

plz do, it will be some much fun

[Limbo]

ino more honda builds

[fatboyz39]

if you had the intention of tracking the car then why upgrade power first?

[Limbo]

i got bored ;), and STOCK <--- made me do it!

[Limbo]

Forgot Haks also pushed me!

[fatboyz39]

Peer pressure kills it...

[BlitZ]

rodfl
was told by haks that i can't run a screamer on a T28 as they do not seal properly, otherwise i would be venting exhaust fumes and get defected!

u cant run screamer regardless... but its farken cool:thumbsup:

[FastFwd]

I have gt28rs with sealed internal wastegate and a 44mm HKS external wastegate + scream, and plumb back mod to interchange when i need to. ATM screamer tho :)

Or did you mean screamer on stock wastegate?

[Lukezen27]

Hey Limbo (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/member.php?u=2672) I'm losing about 8kw with my current setup of the turbo intake being so close to all that heat under the bonnet..

I remember your piping goes to your front bumper like as a CAI..

Got any maps on how you setup your piping..

Last time we saw each other at Adrian's you mentioned this lol

Thanks bro

Luke

[Benson]

wow 8kw ..... just boost it up to make it up.

[Limbo]

wow 8kw ..... just boost it up to make it up.

that will just blow it up.
I'll see if i have the pic.

But what i did was plumb the pipe from intercooler outlet to the bottom of car (cut out abit of the front metal) this then went up to the arm.

The intake was put thru the hole in the left chassis hole (the one that your reasonator use to be in). The front area get air from the front bar. Being boosted you don't need ramped air.

The other thing i'd recommend is make a heat shield to keep the air from going towards your intake.

Also get an oil cooler, it will help with all the heat issues. I just brought a larger one to put in.car sits all the time at 90 degrees.

[Lukezen27]

that will just blow it up.
I'll see if i have the pic.

But what i did was plumb the pipe from intercooler outlet to the bottom of car (cut out abit of the front metal) this then went up to the arm.

The intake was put thru the hole in the left chassis hole (the one that your reasonator use to be in). The front area get air from the front bar. Being boosted you don't need ramped air.

The other thing i'd recommend is make a heat shield to keep the air from going towards your intake.

Also get an oil cooler, it will help with all the heat issues. I just brought a larger one to put in.car sits all the time at 90 degrees.

Cool Limbo

So you need to cut a bit out, I looked on mine and there's no way without cutting lol

As for the oil cooler I think its a tad overboard on a street car but if ya plain to track then yeah I'd go one also...


wow 8kw ..... just boost it up to make it up.

Oh come on Benson!!

You know that any extra power is good power no matter how ya find it lol

Up the boost plus the extra 8 or so kw = more fun hehe

[Limbo]

Hey Luke on a street can with boost, an oil cooler is good. Alot of factory cars come out with them

[Weq]

Pitty the compressor adds 50degs to the intake charge.

[FastFwd]

Pitty the compressor adds 50degs to the intake charge.

whole point of a Intercooler!!

[Limbo]

don't forget radiator and oil cooler

[beeza]

Limbo,maybe a H Brace might help with traction.Here's a review on the H Brace,half way down the page:
http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=58106

[Limbo]

yeah mate i already have that exact brace. And most of the other braces, and some more that that car doesn't have

[beeza]

Ah sweet.What other braces are U runnin'?

[Limbo]

4 point top front brace.
C-pillar
Whiteline 22m swaybar, ASR brace.

Gotta install the rear top brace & the middle tunnel over brace.

[beeza]

Sa-weet!
Got the tunnel brace Awesome!

I'm runnin'
22mm EK9 Rear sway + ASR
22mm Front sway (stock)
Tunnel brace
2 Upper strut bars (ebay ones)

I can't run the c or b pillar braces in the sedan.

The other suspension mods I want to do are:
Coilovers
H Brace
Rear Carbing upper strut bar
ES Master bushing kit

Anything thing else that would be good for my EK1 Sedan?

btw your car is just Awesome Limbo! Props 2 U!

[Limbo]

thanks mate.

Still gotta put in the following that i have
I got a low temp thermo to go in.
Energy suspension
AGX adj shocks.
larger oil cooler

dpending on how much else your gonna to drive i'd recommend an oil cooler.
Get the H brace from front lower & 3 point brace for the to upper.

If your not really tracking much i'd just get better shocks than coilovers. They ride nicer than coilovers & the're not illegal. I'll prob be selling my 5zigen soon when i can get time to take them off. PM me if your interested

Also you might wanna strengthen your mounts either fill them with polyurothane or stikaflex, or get some inserts.
The other option is a engine brace (can't rem what they call it exactly)

[beeza]

Cheers Limbo!
Engine tourqe damper.I'll be looking at an engine and manual conversion a couple of years down the track so I was figuring to do suspension mods and brake upgrade first.
The coilovers are 2nd hand G4's,the $1500 ones.They have 10,000km's on them for $950.Do U know if they are a comfortable ride?
I know what you mean,I love the comfort of my set up now,stock shocks + King lows.I want to track in the future but I don't want to lose the comfort.

[EKVTIR-T]

Brett I wouldn't recommend paying $950 for used g4 honestly.
Going for second hand for that price you could get Cusco or something like that.

[Limbo]

yeah for second hand ones at about 1k mark your better off getting a better brand. The best set i saw were the HKS hyper max 3 but they cost over $3k.

Most of the others i saw including the Tien ones gave a very rough ride.

If your only doing road get a nice set of good aftermarket shocks for an EK.
Also a decnt brand springs as they generally don't sag. Stay away from King springs as they tend to sag over time. Upgraded shocks will be fine for an average ride, but you can get adjustable shocks which will still give a better ride over coilovers. They just can't adjust height.

With brakes, just front ITR calipers and rotors are perfect for stopping.
Its pulls up my 162kw no worries, and that's running stock pads!

If you wanna improve it get a bigger brake stopper and better pads.

[beeza]

Hmmmm.Thank U.
I would like to drop the rear by an inch though...

What do U mean by a bigger brake stopper Limbo? Bigger brakes?

[Lukezen27]

Hmmmm.Thank U.
I would like to drop the rear by an inch though...

What do U mean by a bigger brake stopper Limbo? Bigger brakes?

I love my ITR brakes but the brake stoppers do shi_t IMO

[[ricer]]

brake stopper helps lock up lol

[Limbo]

sorry guys, i meant bigger master brake cylinder.
The brake stopper helps i got one also

[Lukezen27]

sorry guys, i meant bigger master brake cylinder.
The brake stopper helps i got one also

IC lol

I was thinking about upgrading mine but my car stops hella good anyway.. With just ITR front calipers

[beeza]

haha cheers Limbo.The Cusco brake stopper is a great mod.

[Limbo]

No my one is custom. :)

I also only have the calipers and rotors without the master brake cylinder upgrade. Its stops perfectly

[beeza]

Mad! Custom brake stopper,cool.Got a pic Limbo,I'm interseted to see it.
I'm gonna get some Integra front Brake set up for my car off Andy @ AKMotorworks.Top bloke.

[[ricer]]

Mad! Custom brake stopper,cool.Got a pic Limbo,I'm interseted to see it.
I'm gonna get some Integra front Brake set up for my car off Andy @ AKMotorworks.Top bloke.

i read that EK sedans have the larger rotors and calipers same as ek4 already
and if this is true then they're the same as integra vtir...

[beeza]

Yeah apparently it's different for different EK's.I gave the number on the calipers to Andy at AKMotorworks and he told me the front ones I have are smaller than the EK4 ones so an upgrade to the teg front brakes are in order.Rotors,calipers and pads.The rears are the same on almost all civic's,don't need to replace them.

Number on front caliper:
16CL14VN

[Lukezen27]

Yeah apparently it's different for different EK's.I gave the number on the calipers to Andy at AKMotorworks and he told me the front ones I have are smaller than the EK4 ones so an upgrade to the teg front brakes are in order.Rotors,calipers and pads.The rears are the same on almost all civic's,don't need to replace them.

Number on front caliper:
16CL14VN

I don't know the number of mine lol

There just huge and red :thumbsup:

[beeza]

Haha,yeah mine are bulky and blue :)

Give Andy a PM though with the number on the caliper if ya wanna find out Yo.