Spoon Twin Block Calipers on EG civic . . . Questions ?

[Sexc86]

Hey guys

Been slowly knockly over the brake conversion.. I thought i was almost there but tonight realised i was clearly not.

Setup - Eg6/Vtir Front brake assemblys
Rotors - 282mm DBA blank rotors (now drilled at 4x100 pcd)
Calipers - Spoon 4 Piston Twin Block calipers

Firstly is there a specific width of rotor i should / shouldnt have. Mine is 23mm... is this matters?
I have come across a few problems gettings all this working together. Upon First setting up, reading the instructions. It says for the civic to place washers between the knuckle and the rotor (to space it out). I did this which made it sit Hard up on the rotor. Can anyone explain what exactly these washers are for and if i need them and what exactly for?

Hence i removed the washers, The caliper sat fine and the rotor would spinn freely. Now I got to put the brake pad in. The calipers are brand new, the pistons were sitting nearly flush with the face (.5mm out). I tride to push back further but no movement. The outer brake pad goes in fine, The inner sits tight up between the Rotor and the inside of the caliper. Rotor has no movement.

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What are so options to get me up and running. Did some brief reading on different threds.

* Shave down inside pad ?
* Grind back knuckle mount so the caliper sits further inside
* Put a spacer between the Hub and the Rotor, If so does anyone know any deffinate sizes? and prices? and where to purchase?

Also last question. My rotors are brand spanking new, do these have to be machined before use?


Thanks alot guys, please let me know if you have any suggestions... as im sure others must of come across this. also let me know if anyone need any photos. anyhelp is greatly appreciated.



Regards Lyle

[Benson]

You'll need a 3mm spacer between the rotors and the knuckle. Or if you want, you can machine the spoon caliper brackets by 3mm. Buy ill go with the 3mm spacer first.

[EGB18CT]

i think you will have to shave the oem caliper/ or custom mounting bracket, im assuming since this is a bolt on fit to the dc2r braking system, this will be the same converting 5 stud brakes to 4 stud where you have to use the dc2r rotor and caliper, drill to 4x100 (eg6/vtir pattern) and shave the brackets/caliper by 2-3mm to center the caliper on the rotor. Check out fast brakes in the usa, they make all sorts of kits, even new brackets with kits such as dc2r calipers rotors and brackets to fit 4x100 drilled dc2r rotors on eg running gear etc

fastbrakes.com to get the caliper brackets or go to a specialist brake shop to make some brackes up to suit or you may need to shave the caliper???

im only taking a stab at this so yer...

[fatboyz39]

Either buy a 3mm spacer that fits between the rotor and knuckle or shave the calipers by 3mm. This then will centre the rotor.

[jdmTYPE R]

ill run the 3mm spacer would be safer then shaving off 3mm from the caliper might weaken the bolting point

[Sexc86]

*when you get brand new rotors, do you need some sort of initial machineing? to rough up the surface? or do you just need to Give them a hard time running them in?

* Also anyone know where to get inner 3mm spacers? or do they need to be custom fabricated?

* Has anyone just got put 3mm washers around the studs? between the hub and the rotor?

* if you use the 3mm spacers will the factory screws that hold the rotors into the hubs be long enough? or do i need now longer screws?

[Sexc86]

Probably leaning more towards shaveing.

Either

A - Shaveing caliper face
pro * allready off the car
Con * May limit its resale as will only suit the civic and not a dc2r
* Looks more complicated and may cost more
* haveing the guts to hand over $1500 worth of calipers to some dude at a machine shop that reccons he knows what hes doing

B - Shaveing mount
Pro - Smaller Surface area
Con - Will have to remove whole dam knuckle AGAIN From the car

C - Spacers
Pro * no shaveing
Con * Illegal,
* Unsure if the factory screws that hold the rotor in will be long enough
* May have to remove hub anyway to have a spacer designed to suit the rotor / hub

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This is shattering me at the moment. More then happy to hand out some Rep points to someone who can actually tell me the real deal around this problem. As i dont want to go out spend money, have things done and not work in the end.

:(:( talk about blood sweat and tears

[dynosaur]

put the spacer n c how it goes , rather then to devalue the calipers n grind the hub.

if spacer not works , then go to 2nd alternative .

as Spoon factory also suggest the spoon twin caliper user put 3mm inner spacer for conversion.

if dc2r install spoon caliper, will it have the same problem like u ? ( inner spacer , mis alignment etc )

[Sexc86]

no they will line up fine... the only trouble you may have is running the factory 15" wheels, thats when you may need a outside spacer.. only to suit the wheels.

Something to do with the Knuckle / hub design difference between the normal ek4/eg6/dc2 and the dc2r

[xtercii]

Get a 3mm spacer and 8x long bolts from Spoon, this is designed by Spoon for ek4, eg6 etc that want to run twinblock calipers and 282mm rotors. So this would be your safest and best option.

[Sexc86]

also anyone know if i need the brakes mod plated ? and which part?

if i just changed to a factory brake setup... Eg .. to a Factory civic eg vti setup ?

Or is it only when you start running aftermarket brakes? where mounts need to be changed / custom fabricated?

Eg bigger calipers... Brembo, spoon

[BADHBT]

I ran 282 Dba rotors
used a spacer to align the rotors
didnt worry about changing the oem studs.

to fit my wheels which were 16x7 + 43 offset
i had to used 3mm wheel spacers to make the wheels clear the caliper

keep in mind you also will need to think about the offset of your wheels that you plan to run..

heres an idea....
CP-R 16x7 +43 + 3mm spacer on street
CP-R 15x7.5 +30 no spacers on track

PM me and i can tell you how safe
the above set up is ( i know you know what im talking about)

[Sexc86]

Running 2 sets of rims

my 20 x 7.5 (which i wont have a problem with)
and my Buddyclub p1s 15 x 6.5 42 offset

I know the p1s wont clear the spoon calipers... which is why im hesistant to run both Inner and outer spacers.

Im not an idiot... i do understand what you are talking about.

When you ran your inner spacers, did you have to get longer grub screws to hold the rotors to the hub (3mm longer?) and as you had to run internal + external spacers, how did everything in total feel? any consequences / bad effects long / short term?

did you run your external spacers free sitting? or did they bolt to the hub as well useing the factory grub screws that hold the rotor.

[BADHBT]

+42 offset could be a possibility, when i had my wheels on with the 3 mm wheel spacers, there was (off memory) est 2mm gap from the wheel to the caliper.

I Used original bolts and spacers, even tried not using the spacers but the bolt touches the rotors but once the spacer were on they are flush on the other end.... provided you have the original bolts you shouldn't have anything to worry about

running inner spacers,
No, i didn't worry about extended grub bolts, never had an issue in regards to nuts getting loose what so ever, although i had 5 lugs and using rays short nuts,
used some multi fit free sitting spacers which did what it was ment to do.

over all.... i've had the caliper for 3 yrs and been been using the wheel spacers just over a year and a half, feels great, didn't have issues with anything what so ever... been to hell and back and it passed the test.

[Limbo]

You'll need a 3mm spacer between the rotors and the knuckle. Or if you want, you can machine the spoon caliper brackets by 3mm. Buy ill go with the 3mm spacer first.


agreed this is the same problem with a civic using ITR calipers.

Most spacers are not made to do between the knuckle and rotor so they are gonna have to be custom machined also

i'm noting that badhbt has 5 lug so its abit different, he doesn't need the inside spacer, that benson is talking about. He's only prob is the wheel spacing itself not the caliper spacing

You might need 2 spacers one for the caliper and one for the wheel.
ITR/5 lugs do not have a caliper prob

[BADHBT]

still used the inside spacer as well as wheel spacers, i was pointing out that with out the spacers the original bolts touches the rotors.

[Limbo]

Ok my bad ;), yeah i had similar probs just with ITR calipers

[dynosaur]

sorry for a small little hi-jeck ( but same topic )


my car is JDM DC2-R (96 Spec) which equipped OEM JDM ITR (15x5.5 +50).

will I facing the same problem like Sexc86 if I install the Spoon calipers ?

will I need inner & outer spacer ?


I do had SSR type C 16x7 +42 (for spare) .

will SSR offset n design cleared the caliper ?

[BADHBT]

always going to use the inner 3mm spacer i know dc's and eg's do not sure abotu eks

oem itr wheels wont fit.. you will need wheel spacers, how think i do not know
SSR's "might fit" with out using wheel spacers

[dynosaur]

always going to use the inner 3mm spacer i know dc's and eg's do not sure abotu eks

oem itr wheels wont fit.. you will need wheel spacers, how think i do not know
SSR's "might fit" with out using wheel spacers

where can I get the inner spacer ? from Autobarn ?

[Sexc86]

i have only found off shelf outer wheel spacers... even at autobarn... if you notice the spacer has to sit on the inside diameter of your rotor but also it has to clear the driveshaft nut... so really its not even a spacer..

Its like a big doghnut shaped washer with holes in it for your wheel studs. and yeh... custom mad too

[BADHBT]

washers as inner spacers worked for me

[Sexc86]

really? as in 4 washers over each wheel stud?

[Limbo]

you need to get them made up for the inner hub, i've tried and no place will sell them, you need to buy normal spacers and just get someone to machine them to size. I wouldn't use washers, that's a bit too ghetto and dangerous

[shebangs]

agreed this is the same problem with a civic using ITR calipers.

Is that the only with DC2R Calipers? What about DC2?

DC2R is 282 and DC2 is 262 I believe, so it should be fine?

[BADHBT]

LOL im referring to washers for the mounting bracket

and wheel spacers, i hope you don't think im saying to use washers for that!

[dynosaur]

some people recomended 5mm thickness for inner spacer .

so.... 3mm or 5mm.

I think Spoon recomended 3mm thickness.

any1 can comfirm it ?

coz my caliper been sit at some corner for long time .

I need the specification of the inner spacer

[mocchi]

anyone got a link of spoon describing use of 3mm spacer ?