Oils for Jazz

[KillaFlop]

Hi everyone

I've become a recent 03 Jazz VTi owner and just got a qik question about the oils for the engine and gearbox.

In my weekend car (WRX), I use Redline Lightweight Shockproof gearbox oil and was considering using this in the Jazz because the shifting is a little notchy, especially in 2nd. I noticed a huge difference in the rex but not sure about the improvements it can have on the Jazz. Has anyone used this in a Jazz before and can comment on it?

Also, what oil is decent for the Jazz? Was thinking Elf 10w40?

Thanks for any help

[lionhart87]

im currently using mobil 1 5W-50 and its excellent makes it so much smoother and quieter especially in the high rev range

[condomsakti]

Honda FEO FTW!!

[preludacris]

5w50 would be losing power. it just sounds quieter. too thick for a new engine thats sposed to run on 10w30 :S

[LiL FiLo]

i use honda feo at the moment, it burns pritty quickly tho especially when your vtec'n

another alternating is castrol megnatec, alot of people use this oil on honda's and are quite happy with it...

if your willing to spend the money tho use mobil 1 synthetic! its expensive, but when your talking about the health and life span of your engine, wats an extra $40?

hope the info helps

[KillaFlop]

Thanks for input guys.

So 10w30 is the way to go? Yeah 5-40 sounds a little thin.

Can anyone comment on the gearbox oils?

[EuroDude]

Yes you should use 10w30 since thats what the engine is designed to use. If you dont use 10w30, honda can void the warranty of the engine if something goes wrong. But its an 03 Jazz so its probably out of warranty by now.

Use Honda FEO for the gearbox, using other brands can cause noise and increase wear'n'tear

[panda[cRx]]

Use Honda FEO for the gearbox, using other brands can cause noise and increase wear'n'tear

WTF! :eek:
feo engine oil in gearbox????

if it's a manual use honda MTF, if it's a cvt use honda AFT or CVTF

[hoey888]

my dealer just got my car serviced and used vavoline oil. the last oil had gotten pretty sluddy coz after i changed it it felt pretty good. personally i would go for the honda feo, if you don't change that often say even 10-15k km's. if your going to change more regularly then doesnt really matter as long as its 10-30W

[OMG.JAI xD]

vegetable oil for the engine to reduce emissions.
and peanut oil for the box, to reduce gear crunching.

=]


stick to the honda 10-30's.
n try to use genuine honda stuff.
just cause you go to a honda dealer doesnt mean they use honda oil.
most use the aftermarket stuffs. its alright i guess, since some oils tend to be better for the engine at different temperature ranges.
but daily driving, combining high speeds and city conditions, rather stick to the 10-30's.
same with the box.
try to keep the box oil fresh though. lengthens the life of the internals.
=]

[Jazzdude]

What would happen if you use a thinner oil, like 5-50W?

[ahmondjai]

someone told me I can't upgrade to a fully synthetic oil for my 05 Jazz Vti even if it's from Honda. Can anyone confirm this??

[aaronng]

someone told me I can't upgrade to a fully synthetic oil for my 05 Jazz Vti even if it's from Honda. Can anyone confirm this??
Not true. You can use any oil, mineral, semi-synthetic or full synthetic, as long as it meets or exceeds the same API specifications (API-SL?) and is of the correct viscosity (10w-30, 5w-30, 0w-30, 10w-40, 5w-40 or 0w-40).

it is advisable to have about 10,000km on the odometer before putting in full synthetic.

[ahmondjai]

but according to dealer, it's soon due for it's 60000k service. I asked them about upgrading the oil to fully synthetic, and they told me it's not recommended, therefore it might void the warranty, anyone here share the same?

P.S. Could the change of synthetic oil lower the fictions against the wall and piston rings, for smoother, faster and more responsive throttle? or what are the good things for synthetic oils?

off-topic for Jazz: same as for my Civic for it's 10000k service,

[preludacris]

upgrading to synthetic oil will void warranty??

can anybody else confirm this? sounds bs to me...

[aaronng]

but according to dealer, it's soon due for it's 60000k service. I asked them about upgrading the oil to fully synthetic, and they told me it's not recommended, therefore it might void the warranty, anyone here share the same?

P.S. Could the change of synthetic oil lower the fictions against the wall and piston rings, for smoother, faster and more responsive throttle? or what are the good things for synthetic oils?

off-topic for Jazz: same as for my Civic for it's 10000k service,

Someone has written to Honda Australia asking this, and Honda Australia replied that warranty will not be void as long as you use an oil that meets or exceeds Honda's FEO oil unless it was found that the cause of the problem was the engine oil used.

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpost.php?p=421629&postcount=36

[ahmondjai]

which in another word, if we use fully synethic oil, warranty can be voided.

[aaronng]

which in another word, if we use fully synethic oil, warranty can be voided.

No, if you use synthetic oil, your suspension leaks or the steering column breaks, CV joints wear, transmission munches itself into congee or the spark plugs shoot themselves out through the bonnet, you are still covered by warranty. But if you have piston rings somehow scouring the block due to the lack of lubrication, then they have reason to blame the engine oil being used. They do have to check first that the oil pump was working fine, that the oil filter was not blocked and that oil was properly circulating the engine before they can blame it on the oil.

[ricki_kalsi]

Hi everyone

I've become a recent 03 Jazz VTi owner and just got a qik question about the oils for the engine and gearbox.

In my weekend car (WRX), I use Redline Lightweight Shockproof gearbox oil and was considering using this in the Jazz because the shifting is a little notchy, especially in 2nd. I noticed a huge difference in the rex but not sure about the improvements it can have on the Jazz. Has anyone used this in a Jazz before and can comment on it?

Also, what oil is decent for the Jazz? Was thinking Elf 10w40?

Thanks for any help

Hey mate, can I make a suggestion.

The reason why the shift feel is a bit notchy, is because the gear knob is really quite light. Try get your hands on a DC2R gear knob. A heavier gear knob will make the shift feel nice and smoother.

In my DC2R, I use 5W - 40 Castol in the cooler Days, and 10W - 50 on hotter days.

[hui]

Hey mate, can I make a suggestion.

The reason why the shift feel is a bit notchy, is because the gear knob is really quite light. Try get your hands on a DC2R gear knob. A heavier gear knob will make the shift feel nice and smoother.

In my DC2R, I use 5W - 40 Castol in the cooler Days, and 10W - 50 on hotter days.

you are a tool... having a dc2R gear knob is not gonna get rid of a notchy gear shift.

[BusterSonic12]

Just bought a '03 VTi-S about 2 weeks ago, just wondering what engine oil to use with it?

Would Honda FEO been a safe choice?

[Poeter]

The reason why the shift feel is a bit notchy, is because the gear knob is really quite light. Try get your hands on a DC2R gear knob. A heavier gear knob will make the shift feel nice and smoother.



Well I dont think notchiness comes from the knob so much. I have a dc2r knob on my jazz. It does feel solid and makes the car feel less cheap :) Might be a placebo effect but nevertheless I love Type R knobs .


I think Honda MTF for gearbox will the best imo. When I used aftermarket fluid (75w85,GL 4- within spec) on my gearbox, gear selection changed from good to clumsy. I hated it so much I quickly changed back to Honda MTF and it was smooth and back to normal. I was sure it's not a placebo effect because the difference was like day and night.

[stylzjhn]

I'm running Fully Synthetic 5w-30 in my jazz. My old oil was really dark, pretty much black lol (10w-40 semi-synthetic) and i was doing about 7.4L/100k+ (Far too high for a little jazz) on a full tank. Now that i've just recently serviced my car and stuck in the new oil. I get under 6.6L/100k. I dont really notice any difference between semi and fully synthetic oils but i read that after 10,000k's the full synthetic oil will be running allot better than the semi synthetic one. And some say it helps with the fuel usage but only so slightly.

[Poeter]

I was told old oil is normal to be quite dark because it's been cleaning the dirty stuff from your engine.

It's a problem if it came out clean because it's means it hasn't been cleaning your engine.


However, the expectation from gear box oil is complete opposite. Old oil are expected to come out clean otherwise you are having problems with your gearbox.

[aaronng]

Just bought a '03 VTi-S about 2 weeks ago, just wondering what engine oil to use with it?

Would Honda FEO been a safe choice?

You can use FEO, Edge 5w-30, or even the 0w-40, 5w-40 or 10w-40 oils (at the sacrifice of some fuel economy and response)

[BusterSonic12]

You can use FEO, Edge 5w-30, or even the 0w-40, 5w-40 or 10w-40 oils (at the sacrifice of some fuel economy and response)

FEO seems cheaper than most other oil and so i probably will stuck to it. Unlike Motul 8100 X-cess which i use my on DC5R, the price hurt me so much :eek:

OH just changed new battery this morning, the battery died. Rang our ozhonda roadside assist (Bennjamin), helped rolled my car and damn it came back to life and took it to get a new battery. ALL RUNNING GOOD :thumbsup:

[aaronng]

FEO seems cheaper than most other oil and so i probably will stuck to it. Unlike Motul 8100 X-cess which i use my on DC5R, the price hurt me so much :eek:

OH just changed new battery this morning, the battery died. Rang our ozhonda roadside assist (Bennjamin), helped rolled my car and damn it came back to life and took it to get a new battery. ALL RUNNING GOOD :thumbsup:

I recommend you buy Castrol Edge 5w-30 when it is on offer. I believe Repco has it on sale for $40 now until 14th March. MUCH MUCH MUCH better than the FEO and that is actually the oil that I ran in my Euro when I went to Wakefield with you.

[BusterSonic12]

I recommend you buy Castrol Edge 5w-30 when it is on offer. I believe Repco has it on sale for $40 now until 14th March. MUCH MUCH MUCH better than the FEO and that is actually the oil that I ran in my Euro when I went to Wakefield with you.

Is that the Castrol Edge 'sport stuff'? ok everytime you see it on special, let me know yah?

What oil filter's recommended? HAMP any good for the L15A as that it what i use in my K20 to make the oil pressure go up by a little.

[aaronng]

Is that the Castrol Edge 'sport stuff'? ok everytime you see it on special, let me know yah?

What oil filter's recommended? HAMP any good for the L15A as that it what i use in my K20 to make the oil pressure go up by a little.

Yes, Castrol Edge Sport 5w-30. On offer now at Repco for $39.99 until 14th March.

Use the blue Honda filter that you can buy from the dealer. I am currently using the small green HAMP filter, and no difference with oil pressure. There might be a decrease in oil pressure since the surface area is lower.

[DreadAngel]

Don't be weak...

POWER LINK (http://www.hks-power.co.jp/products/oil/engine_01/index.html) =P

Stop skimping man ;)

[aaronng]

Don't be weak...

POWER LINK (http://www.hks-power.co.jp/products/oil/engine_01/index.html) =P

Stop skimping man ;)

Haha, 16,000 yen!!!!!! That's $180 for 4L.

[bestjazz101]

So what is the ultimate best engine oil to use in an 08 vtis cvt! i use penrite oil is that bad? is there anything better than the honda oil recommended that i could use?

[DreadAngel]

Ahem (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2673602&postcount=30)

You can go better than that... For those that its too expensive...

Trust Power (http://www.trust-power.com/10oil/spec_f2_5w50.html)
Blitz Power (http://www.blitz.co.jp/products/chemical/racing_oil.htm)

On a slightly more serious note, just look at the top of this page... *sigh*

[95331140]

Yes, Castrol Edge Sport 5w-30. On offer now at Repco for $39.99 until 14th March.

Hi Aaron, I've been using this same oil since the 20,000 reading. Now have 120,000. A great oil. If you buy it at the $40-45 mark, which I do, it's cheaper than the supplied semi-synthetic oil from Honda, which they usually charge about $55 for.

I just bought a new GE Jazz. I wanted them to put this oil in at the 1000km service (even though a oil change is not done), but the service rep mentioned it was not recommended due to a special run-in oil being used from new. I thought this was BS straight away...but accepted his advice.

What I want to know, is why is best to switch to full-synthetic oil after 10 or 20k service? Why not use it straight from the start? Anyone?

Mark.

[DreadAngel]

Well I know there are actual engine oils that are purely made for running in engines, whether or not Honda uses them in another thing...

http://www.royalpurple.com/productsi/break-in-oil.jpg

[Wilco]

im running mobil1 gold 0w-40, im reading reports of this being to thick? i think it will be fine for daily driving and 0% track days lols.
if ppl reckon 0w-40 is infact too thick i'll change to 5w-30 then, cuz mobil1 has no 10w-30 equal, only mobil super3000 10w-30
i only mobil1 oils

[gumus89]

The first number can be as low as you want. You may burn a slight amount of oil at startup when the engine components arent warm. But the lower the number the thinner it is at startup and the faster it circulates to protect your engine.

The second number should be as close to 30 as possible. 40 is passable but 30 is ideal. 50 isnt good enough unless you are tracking your car and the oil temps get hotter than that in a street car.

5W-30 is perfectly fine.