Officially unveiled: New Euro

[Euro76]

Honda will retain 2.4L engine but now with more power, it's 147kw now. That's the info I had but if you want more, please go to http://www.caradvice.com.au

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/2009-honda-accord_tourer01.jpg

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/2009-honda-accord_tourer02.jpg

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/2009-honda-accord_tourer03.jpg

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/2009-honda-accord_tourer04.jpg

[geekmonkey]

vewy vewy nice.....

[kraiye]

bit disappointing... i rekon they could have fit a few more buttons inside!



dam thats nice! unlike other manufacturers :honda: have actually spent some time designing the rear as well as the front

[redinteg]

Still a Grandpa car, check out the size of the gauges!

[tron07]

The steering is too civic-ish

[Dreams]

do we get the touring model?

[TEMPTN]

Its not that nice in real life,
to boxy,
ive seen it and been in it when they brought it in for filimming at the end of last yr

[dc2dc2dc2]

looks good.

[xanctus]

Well, it's not all that bad...
would I get it one day? sure why not...it's a honda...reliable! hahaha

[albii]

damn that's classy...looks like it's trade in time.

[Euro1011]

Looks nice but have to actually see it.
What's the damage $$$?

[EuroDude]

Honda Accord Camry lol

The rear and interior look nice, not fussed about the rest though.

[industrie]

looks alright, nothing great, pumped guards, mainly using the current euro design and just slightly adjusting it here and there...

[evolution42]

High-Res Pics Here: http://www.netcarshow.com/honda/2009-accord/

[rusty]

Well, I think the current euro looks better. But the interior is better than the current euro.
The all new mazda 6 looks better in and out IMO.

[aaronng]

I see electric power steering!!!!!!

I hope the diesel version comes out here.. That would be the one to get for daily driving.

[industrie]

yeah i do agree the new mazda 6 has more appeal in looks than the new euro. I still prefer the current euro looks, but the new euro interior looks awesome! Im sure as the new euro series over the next 2-4 years will expect new wheels, minor tweaks, bodykits will change it the look.

[EuroDude]

I see electric power steering!!!!!!



Is that a good or bad thing?

It looks like the Acura has Lane Assist and the Cruise control distance radar. I doubt it would appear in the AUDM honda though. Perhaps it'll be a luxury-only option.

[Drew]

So the Wagon coming to Australia now or not?

[aaronng]

yeah i do agree the new mazda 6 has more appeal in looks than the new euro. I still prefer the current euro looks, but the new euro interior looks awesome! Im sure as the new euro series over the next 2-4 years will expect new wheels, minor tweaks, bodykits will change it the look.

Hmm, I'm not sure I like the new Mazda6. It reminds me too much of the Mitsubishi 380 mated with a Mazda 323 SP20..... I still prefer the new Euro.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/951/2008mazda6starterqg2.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4167/hondaaccord2009800x600wzw6.jpg

[aaronng]

Is that a good or bad thing?

It looks like the Acura has Lane Assist and the Cruise control distance radar. I doubt it would appear in the AUDM honda though. Perhaps it'll be a luxury-only option.

Both! Good because we won't have that PS pump sticking out. Bad because it might have a worse steering feel!

I doubt lane assist will come out here, especially if it is not ADR tested and approved.

[Drew]

EPS? Even more reason to get one

[amato2]

Hey in the above foto with the mazda 6.... the euro in that foto doesnt look like the sport or lux model at all its to basic (smallis wheels nit kit).... where as the 6 is the sports model... maybe we should wait untill the new euro lux/sport pic come out b4 we star comparing the 2 cars.

[LT178]

Sports model or not, I prefer the Honda any day. Mazda never did and never will do it for me I'm afraid.

[Euro76]

I see electric power steering!!!!!!

I hope the diesel version comes out here.. That would be the one to get for daily driving.

I am hoping for the diesel version too. These are three models of Euro I can think of by the time it's released here: Euro standard, Euro luxury and Euro diesel. I don't think the wagon version will make it here. If Subaru launched its new boxel turbodiesel engine for Liberty range by following suit that has been done by current Mazda 6 diesel then new Euro should follow suit too.

And one thing that I like in Euro, they still retained the 6 speed manual transmission! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Hopefully it will make its way to Australia

I think with the power increase to 147kw is to pay off the additional kerb weight of new Euro, looking from the looks...it look certainly bigger and heavier for sure. So I think the performance if not the same will be only slightly better.

If I still loyal to my current Euro for the next few years I might be trading for the facelifted version of the new Euro. I don't want to trade my current Euro yet...it still drives excellent.

Perhaps it might be time for you to update your Euro to a new one, don't you think aaron? ;)

[Exar Kun]

Mazda looks better in that shot IMO but will have to wait and see final specs for what we end up with to decide. But jeez, talk about shared design language - compare the flanks of those two cars, they're almost identical.

[EuroDude]

Yeah it looks like Toyota tried to copy the flared front guards of the RX8 to the new Camry, and now Honda have copied the Camry's design, and the Mazda 6 copied the wedge style sides of the Euro. Whats a bet the new Maxima will share a similar design lol

[albii]

Had a good read of the options for the new euro,and let's just say the 6 cannot compare.

[IVTECS4]

The car looks awesome, my old man would be interested in purchasing one if the wagon came with the i-DTEC diesel engine ...

[Jaso]

Overall it looks good. Only thing that needs improving is the rear end tail lights and 3/4 angle. Apart from that looks good :thumbsup:

[coyote]

More info and pics here: http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=740462

[docker]

I've been waiting to upgrade my 03 Euro and now seeing the new Euro I don't think I'll upgrade to another Euro unfortunately. Compared to the Mazda 6 and the Mondeo XR5 it looks a little plain IMO.

[gldsaucer]

As far as i understand, it will be another year before we see it here yeah?If so, it would sux..

From the side angle, middle to front looks might hot..

[aaronng]

I am hoping for the diesel version too. These are three models of Euro I can think of by the time it's released here: Euro standard, Euro luxury and Euro diesel. I don't think the wagon version will make it here. If Subaru launched its new boxel turbodiesel engine for Liberty range by following suit that has been done by current Mazda 6 diesel then new Euro should follow suit too.

And one thing that I like in Euro, they still retained the 6 speed manual transmission! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Hopefully it will make its way to Australia

I think with the power increase to 147kw is to pay off the additional kerb weight of new Euro, looking from the looks...it look certainly bigger and heavier for sure. So I think the performance if not the same will be only slightly better.

If I still loyal to my current Euro for the next few years I might be trading for the facelifted version of the new Euro. I don't want to trade my current Euro yet...it still drives excellent.

Perhaps it might be time for you to update your Euro to a new one, don't you think aaron? ;)
Nah, my 1st priority now is property. Not going to waste money on cars, especially since my 04 Euro is still considered new. Unless of course it is an FD2R. LOL

[aaronng]

Hey in the above foto with the mazda 6.... the euro in that foto doesnt look like the sport or lux model at all its to basic (smallis wheels nit kit).... where as the 6 is the sports model... maybe we should wait untill the new euro lux/sport pic come out b4 we star comparing the 2 cars.
Really? That's good then, because I still prefer the base Euro in that pic over the sports 6. Imagine how the Euro Sports would look like. :p

[obsessionz]

bit disappointing... i rekon they could have fit a few more buttons inside!



ROFL!!!

[viper8548]

they got rid of the door lock stub :D the left hand drive version appears to be a higher class model than the right hand drive one (no heat seat, half leather seats like the euro sport)

[power_of_dreams]

rear bar has so much overhang!

[Rein]

still love my euro better
cant wait to see the mugen version tho

[as001]

just found my car for 2010 when my lease ends! Euro diesel wagon

[Rein]

dont like the single exhaust look pointing down..
im assuming its the sedan is a sports model.. hence the red speedos, manual and half leather interior.??

[EuroDude]

they got rid of the door lock stub :D the left hand drive version appears to be a higher class model than the right hand drive one (no heat seat, half leather seats like the euro sport)

The LHD model is most likely the Acura TSX which has more luxury options, being an Acura.

[PNR888]

I am into wagon now ( Station wagon, not 4x4 SUV), I hope Honda will bring in Wagon this time, even better if Desiel version made to our shore. Otherwise, I only other options will be Maz 6 or Liberty.

Interior wise,Current Honda Euro still has better quality of finish than mazda 6 and Liberty. Even the new Maz 6 and Mondeo can't match Current model Euro. I hope the new Euro wont disappoint us in this department.

[blk05gli]

Yeah it looks like Toyota tried to copy the flared front guards of the RX8 to the new Camry, and now Honda have copied the Camry's design, and the Mazda 6 copied the wedge style sides of the Euro. Whats a bet the new Maxima will share a similar design lol


new maxima (teana) pic. (http://www.autoincar.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/16.jpg)

[Jaso]

Niioce! ^^^

[xanctus]

For the wagon, I would definitely get the new model. The rear panel, where the rear window is located is so much better. The current model's rear window is too squarish (more like minivan/oddy style).

[xanctus]

Wow, that nissan maxima picture is definitely looks like futuristic car. Not bad...

[yfin]

dont like the single exhaust look pointing down..
im assuming its the sedan is a sports model.. hence the red speedos, manual and half leather interior.??

The single muffler is on the 2 litre version - the 2.4 litre we will get will still have dual mufflers - just like this wagon version:

I think the wagon looks better than the sedan!

http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/740462/09acc_eu-14.jpg

[albii]

I think the wagon looks better than the sedan!



Iam hoping to get the 2.4 wagon in that grey colour...looks fantastic.

[EuroDude]

Wow, that nissan maxima picture is definitely looks like futuristic car. Not bad...

wow that does look good. shame its just a concept car lool

[Jazzle]

i thought the currrent accord euro also uses electric power steering?? or is it hydraulic?

[EuroDude]

Its Hydraulic ftw

[Bo0o0ost]

Love the interior, not a fan of the rear end though....

[tron07]

new Euro got the v6 engine with cylinder de-activitation technology like the V6 Accord or not?

[aaronng]

new Euro got the v6 engine with cylinder de-activitation technology like the V6 Accord or not?

No, only 2.0, 2.4 and diesel engines for now.

[Drew]

Wonder if the wagon will be available in manual for a change?

Really it's about time they switched to EPS on the Euro; I mean it's been like what 18 years since Honda first started using it in other cars?

[UNLS1]

mazdas power still sucks bum!

[DLRioM]

Since i purchased my car last year i was worried about the new model coming out due to depreciation and the fact it will probably be better. I can relax now cos after looking at the official pics ther is no way id trade in my car for the new euro at the moment.
The interior is great but the exterior just doesnt do it for me. Im sure when a sportier model comes out it will make me think twice but ther just isnt enough improvements for the extra cash.

[albii]

Since i purchased my car last year i was worried about the new model coming out due to depreciation and the fact it will probably be better. I can relax now cos after looking at the official pics ther is no way id trade in my car for the new euro at the moment.
The interior is great but the exterior just doesnt do it for me. Im sure when a sportier model comes out it will make me think twice but ther just isnt enough improvements for the extra cash.

Mate, your car will depreciate alot when the new one is out.
The new ones options and standard equipment will blow current euro ,and for that matter mazdas all new 6 out of the water.

[albii]

Got word that there could be already some new euros in the country and should be on sale in a few months.
Melbourne and Sydney motor shows should have them.

[Chris_F]

I'm looking forward to checking them out in the flesh. They're slowly growing on me, I just hope it isn't a porker.

[Jegi#5]

I'm looking forward to checking them out in the flesh. They're slowly growing on me, I just hope it isn't a porker.

It looks like a porker, unlike the Mazda 6 which is saving weight on the older model, looking at this car I am assuming it will be heavier which seems to be the general trend with most new cars these days. I prefer the wagon model over the sedan.

[aaronng]

It looks like a porker, unlike the Mazda 6 which is saving weight on the older model, looking at this car I am assuming it will be heavier which seems to be the general trend with most new cars these days. I prefer the wagon model over the sedan.

Do you have kerb weight specs?

[tony1234]

I bet the new Euro will put on some weight.

[Blitzen]

i'm not keen on it's new design, to much complex lines on the exterior, and try hard light designs, whereas the new Mazda 6 is sharp, clean design with fresh ideas!

i'm talking with my back towards my parents '03 Euro, but it looks like she'll be off the hands of the bank soon, it's only done under 30k in her life so far - I'm not kidding! OEM Dunnies still on her 16" rims, and looks like she'll loose alot of value if her replacement comes soon...

i'm cheating on her... ever since I saw my new love on the streets of Sydney last Saturday - exactly blue hatch lux.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/10258/2008-mazda6-specifications/

[Drew]

Looks like the old M6...

Jesus every man and his dog had one in NZ
Had 25 houses on my street, 8 Mazda 6's

[kraiye]

don't like the new M6 at all... the interior as really nice but outside, somethings lacking - unlike the new euro

[DLRioM]

Mate, your car will depreciate alot when the new one is out.
The new ones options and standard equipment will blow current euro ,and for that matter mazdas all new 6 out of the water.


Ofcourse its going to depreciate, at least now its not such a big deal to me anymore cos i prefer my shape.

How do you know what equipment the new euro has that will blow the current euro?

[tseesinngwailo]

doesnt look to bad, would be nice if we were getting the wagon...

[albii]

New euro end of month on sale with delivery 3-4 weeks after that.
Wagon and pricing unconfirmed.

[boleh]

So what happened to the Sports4 concept??? I dont see any hint of it :(

Front on -- It looks like the main changes are the headlights. Now it doesn't flow with the grille.

From the back -- Mm.. A bit unresolved I think

Interior -- Yes, I see improvements.

The engine power output has been increased +7kw, which is good.. But I was hoping for that 3.5 V6. All the VTEC trricks are good but in the end, you can't beat displacement.

As for new Mazda6.. I think it now looks better than the new Euro. But the engine is a major drawback. 2.5l + low output...

Will I buy this new Euro when time comes to replace my current one? I m leaning towards a NO at the moment.

[EuroDude]

The difference is the 380 has a bloated upper side that curves in towards the bottom with unresolved lines. Whereas the Euro has a slim top side with a fat lower section and smoother lines

[aaronng]

So what happened to the Sports4 concept??? I dont see any hint of it :(
Hence the name "Concept" :(



The engine power output has been increased +7kw, which is good.. But I was hoping for that 3.5 V6. All the VTEC trricks are good but in the end, you can't beat displacement.
Then it would need major rework to the mounts fit in the J series engine. They probably kept the entire range K series to minimise costs in terms of the number of production lines. If you want a 3.5L, get an Accord instead.

[aaronng]

Hmmm, take the tail-lights out of the equation, and they look very similar to me:
Not only taking out the tail lights, I need to squint until my eyes are almost closed to see the resemblance. :zip:

[EuroDude]

But the current Accord can take both the V6 and the K24, so it wouldnt be too hard to implement the V6 into the new Euro. Unless the current 4cyl Accord has a different chassis which I doubt.

[Bryce]

me no rikey

[Pumped]

Hmmm, take the tail-lights out of the equation, and they look very similar to me:


Doors are different, windows are different, rears completely different, boots completely different, Number plate area is completely different, Bar shapes are completely different, Has smoother lines and the front is very different

Oh but i guess the fuel filler is on the same side :p

[aaronng]

But the current Accord can take both the V6 and the K24, so it wouldnt be too hard to implement the V6 into the new Euro. Unless the current 4cyl Accord has a different chassis which I doubt.

That's why it's made in Thailand. It's cheaper to run a production line there than it is in Japan. It's not only different parts/mounts. There are production lines, duplicate sets of tooling and more staff.

[boleh]

Hence the name "Concept" :(

Understood.. Like I said , I dont see any hint of it. Whats the point of coming up with a concept that doesn't contribute much into the real thing.

Look at Mitsubishi's concept "X" and concept "Sportsback" revealed a few years ago, then look at the latest Lancer we have today...

[euro77]

I actually quite like it, but hopefully they don't gain too much weight, otherwise the extra 7kw will just go down the drain.

[tony1234]

I actually quite like it, but hopefully they don't gain too much weight, otherwise the extra 7kw will just go down the drain.
Exactly.

[Drew]

This is bitching hot

http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/740462/09acc_eu-13.jpg

http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/740462/09acc_eu-13.jpg

[Jaso]

Could it be that the interior shots we are seeing are from the new TSX which differs from the Euro slightly in its current guise... VVVV

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8900/acuratsxuy5.jpg

[EUR003act]

nope.... because theres a pic of it RHD....

and the TSX has acura badging... the euro pics all had honda badging...

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/2009-honda-accord_tourer04.jpg

anyone else notice the manual headlight adjust??? im guessing that itll only be on the standard version with halogen if we get it in aus... like the non HID bmws....

[maracer]

I like it:thumbsup:

[Drew]

Hi/Lo dual beam HID would be killer

[albii]

New euro end of month on sale with delivery 3-4 weeks after that.
Wagon and pricing unconfirmed.

wrong info..thats the normal accord.

[EuroDude]

wrong info..thats the normal accord.

agreed

[aaronng]

anyone else notice the manual headlight adjust??? im guessing that itll only be on the standard version with halogen if we get it in aus... like the non HID bmws....
That is an European requirement. We might or might not get it, depending on the production line that we get the Euros from. If they decide to source Aus stock from the same production line as the ones for RHD UK, then we have a chance of getting the headlight adjuster (like what happens with the Astra now)

[Blitzen]

i'm not keen on it's new design, to much complex lines on the exterior, and try hard light designs, whereas the new Mazda 6 is sharp, clean design with fresh ideas!

i'm talking with my back towards my parents '03 Euro, but it looks like she'll be off the hands of the bank soon, it's only done under 30k in her life so far - I'm not kidding! OEM Dunnies still on her 16" rims, and looks like she'll loose alot of value if her replacement comes soon...

i'm cheating on her... ever since I saw my new love on the streets of Sydney last Saturday - exactly blue hatch lux.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/10258/2008-mazda6-specifications/

I'm going to take my own words back... I tried the latest Mazda 6 lux hatch with auto tranny sports shift - I am very dissapointed... outside it was beautiful! the lines, the rims, how the body shaped out, it's a work of art, even the interior worked out well. But, when I actually drove the car... at the very first shift of gears down to semi auto mode was a cheap feeling, then i steered it off on the road - another disapointment, the steering has no feedback at all... nothing... it's so light I can countersteer with one finger...

engine was alright... I held first gear for a short - within speed limit - sprint to the first lights, it didn't have that peaky feel, it was quiet but not powerful, and I must say and it lacks that distinctive engine note that everycar should have, this one, I could just hear a normal inline 4.

then i tried the sports shift... it is SOOOOOOOO slow, not responsive at all, and what's with the pedal shift where u use your fingers to shift up on both sides, then use your thumbs to shift down, and again able to do it on both sides... can't you just make it nice and simple - left down, right up.

but the chassis was nice :thumbsup: nice and solid, firm suspension, not much body roll at at, yet a comfortable ride. How do I know... well... I hooked around some round abouts a little too fast, my dad was shocked... the sales guy was sitting in the rear middle seat, he was rolling around quite alot... then a few corners later he looked pissed and said it's a new car, others are wiating to test it, so then I took it back to the dealer :)

looks like it's the end for new mazda 6 dream, and also it will be a while until my next visit to that dealer... then I went across the road to check out details about the new Euro, I knew more than they did over this forum... but I sat in the Civic Type R, first thing I noticed is wrapping around the bucket seats, then the fighter jet 'cockpit' it was so nice!

so then I drove the 3 year old Accord Euro back home - it's still a great car

[albii]

Mine is nearly 4 yo and still drives like new..try driving a 4yo mazda 6 and see that they don't hold together as well.

[80057]

The steering is too civic-ish

true civicish with extra buttons...lol


Really? That's good then, because I still prefer the base Euro in that pic over the sports 6. Imagine how the Euro Sports would look like. :p i went to see the new 6 and in real life only the sports looks good, the cheaper models look very plain, the new wagon looks hot, better then the sedan i think.


Mine is nearly 4 yo and still drives like new..try driving a 4yo mazda 6 and see that they don't hold together as well. one reason why i like honda is fit and finish and materials all seems much much better then mazda (similar priced cars) thats why i bought a euro instead of a 6. i think honda engineering and drive quality is better to, i read in reviews that honda steering is to artificial and not involving like the 6, but i like my euro's steeering and handling more then my bro's 6. each to their own i guess.

[tron07]

Then it would need major rework to the mounts fit in the J series engine. They probably kept the entire range K series to minimise costs in terms of the number of production lines. If you want a 3.5L, get an Accord instead.

They could do subframe and mount the engine to the sub frame and then subframe to the main chasis....

[aaronng]

They could do subframe and mount the engine to the sub frame and then subframe to the main chasis....
Then they would have to redesign the engine bay of the Euro to accomodate the subframe for the engine. Having a subframe means the engine sits higher unless you have a chassis that dips lower in the engine area (which will diminish height clearance). I wouldn't be surprised if the layout of the new Euro is very similar to the previous one just to cut costs (also, why fix something that isn't broken).

[EuroDude]

The new Euro's engine is a K24A yeah? wander if its possible to grab the new K24's head and pop it onto our K24A3 :p

Although an extra 7kw wouldnt be worth it..

[Pumped]

I doubt the powers in head :p

*the head :p

[aaronng]

The new Euro's engine is a K24A yeah? wander if its possible to grab the new K24's head and pop it onto our K24A3 :p

Although an extra 7kw wouldnt be worth it..

The heads are the same. I reckon the difference is through ECU and maybe cams. It's cheaper to get the cams rather than the whole head. if you were talking about the 06+ TSX head, now that would be nice to have.

[EuroDude]

The heads are the same. I reckon the difference is through ECU and maybe cams. It's cheaper to get the cams rather than the whole head. if you were talking about the 06+ TSX head, now that would be nice to have.

Actually its got larger diameter valves so i guess its not a simple bolt-on :p


The 2.4-liter engine is more powerful, delivering 200 PS at 7000 rpm and peak torque of 233 Nm at 4500 rpm – up from 190 PS and 223 Nm. Behind the figures are a compression ratio increased from 10.5 to 11.0:1, larger diameter valves, revised valve timing, and reduced exhaust system pressures.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=740462

[aaronng]

Actually its got larger diameter valves so i guess its not a simple bolt-on :p


The 2.4-liter engine is more powerful, delivering 200 PS at 7000 rpm and peak torque of 233 Nm at 4500 rpm – up from 190 PS and 223 Nm. Behind the figures are a compression ratio increased from 10.5 to 11.0:1, larger diameter valves, revised valve timing, and reduced exhaust system pressures.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=740462

Ahh, so it does have the 06+ TSX head, cat and exhaust. Why only 200ps? Or is it under-rated? The 06 TSX was doing 205hp (SAE) or about 215hp using the old measuring method.

[VTi_b0i]

i actually like the older euro's rear end better but i like the rest :D

[SPQR]

The 2008 Accord Euro release to dealer-principals is in June. They are being flown to Japan by Honda for this. The car is set for Australian public release in July 2008.

[Spoon-Accord]

looks like i'll be paying a visit to local honda, :)

[PNR888]

The 2008 Accord Euro release to dealer-principals is in June. They are being flown to Japan by Honda for this. The car is set for Australian public release in July 2008.

Hi, thanks for the info. I need a new car by mid August, so it's good to know that new Euro will be here in July. Otherwise I will have to settle for a new Mazda 6.
Did your source tell you if wagon will be here this time around? if so, when?

Thanks

[EuroDude]

Ahh, so it does have the 06+ TSX head, cat and exhaust. Why only 200ps? Or is it under-rated? The 06 TSX was doing 205hp (SAE) or about 215hp using the old measuring method.

I thought the TSX K24A was virtually the same as our K24A3 except for different ECU maps?

Perhaps its de-tuned to the lower quality of our fuel. But then again, thats why our K24A3 was slightly de-tuned. So to me it sounds like honda redesigned a few aspects of the new AUDM K24. The new TSX engine is probably even more powerful lol

[aaronng]

I thought the TSX K24A was virtually the same as our K24A3 except for different ECU maps?

Perhaps its de-tuned to the lower quality of our fuel. But then again, thats why our K24A3 was slightly de-tuned. So to me it sounds like honda redesigned a few aspects of the new AUDM K24. The new TSX engine is probably even more powerful lol

The 06+ TSX has physical differences in the head plus pressure equalising channels in the block. Also has stronger rods. Our 06 Euros get the same block as the 06+TSX but different heads.

Our fuel is better than the US. Most of the US fuel have some level of ethanol blended in.

[SPQR]

Hi, thanks for the info. I need a new car by mid August, so it's good to know that new Euro will be here in July. Otherwise I will have to settle for a new Mazda 6.
Did your source tell you if wagon will be here this time around? if so, when?

Thanks

That's my attitude too and yet some dealers think that if they don't tell you when the new model is coming then you'll buy from their existing stock.

I knew a dealer of a different brand who would refuse any knowledge of a new model even after it had been released elsewhere in Australia until he got rid of all of his old model stock. Another dealer, again of a different brand, bought up all superseded models of a particular American made 4WD and passed it off as the current model up to 6 months after the new model had been released. The advantage of living in out-of-sight out-of-mind Darwin.

The source did not say anything about a wagon and I don't think that the earlier accord wagon sold very well in Australia. You don't see many on the roads.

[SPQR]

Our fuel is better than the US. Most of the US fuel have some level of ethanol blended in.

True: US fuel generally not as good as our low octane stuff. They use a different octane rating called "Pump Octance Number" which is the octane of fuel delivered at the pump. I believe ours is rated on what it should achieve ie "Research Octane Number". So when you see USA 88 P.O.N. it is, I think (from memory) about equal to 91 R.O.N.

[aaronng]

True: US fuel generally not as good as our low octane stuff. They use a different octane rating called "Pump Octance Number" which is the octane of fuel delivered at the pump. I believe ours is rated on what it should achieve ie "Research Octane Number". So when you see USA 88 P.O.N. it is, I think (from memory) about equal to 91 R.O.N.
Quite a few of their high octane fuel (91 PON, equivalent to our 98 RON) also contains ethanol. :(

[Drew]

Could it be that the interior shots we are seeing are from the new TSX which differs from the Euro slightly in its current guise... VVVV

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8900/acuratsxuy5.jpg

Holly shit; look how high up the door handle is

[albii]

Test drove the new mazda 6 today .
The car has a more upmarket feel about it then the last 6 and the gearshift is actually better than the euro in the manual, but other than that a bit of a disappointment.
Like it was said previously, engine is lacking character ,interior is nice but the exterior look bloated and quite ugly up close.
Big fat + for the 6 for me, can't wait to drive the new euro.

[aaronng]

The source did not say anything about a wagon and I don't think that the earlier accord wagon sold very well in Australia. You don't see many on the roads.
I hope they bring in the wagon. The last time we had an Accord wagon was back in 1994 with the CD Accord. It's a different market now compared to before.

[Nightrider]

cant see much difference. same as last model. boring.

[EuroDude]

Holly shit; look how high up the door handle is

The CL9 euro's is even higher lol

http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0307_30k_z+2004_acura_tsx+front_interior_view. jpg

[kraiye]

still too any buttons
i could be flying jets before i mastered the euro cockpit!

[EuroDude]

Well more and more technology is being crammed into cars, it can be a bit daunting at first but u get used to it. The steering wheel buttons are the most useful - keeps ur eyes on the road rather than reaching over to the dash to do the same thing.

[aaronng]

still too any buttons
i could be flying jets before i mastered the euro cockpit!

It's still easier than say a Saab. LOL
The new cockpit looks cluttered with buttons because they replaced the 3 dials (passenger and driver temperature control and volume control) with 6 additional buttons instead.

[Drew]

That doesn't look too high

I guess it might just be the angle of the photo then


The CL9 euro's is even higher lol

http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0307_30k_z+2004_acura_tsx+front_interior_view. jpg

[Pumped]

LOL.. its the same car?

[EuroDude]

ROFL ur right, the first pic is a CL9 as well

[LXRY]

Looks very similar too the current shape just minor makeup work.....as for the interior looks like they got rid of the 10 piece dash and settled for a two piece one instead, wonder if it will come with dash rattles this time ? Very civic like interior aswell especially the steering and knobs through out.

[albii]

Looks very similar too the current shape just minor makeup work.....as for the interior looks like they got rid of the 10 piece dash and settled for a two piece one instead, wonder if it will come with dash rattles this time ? Very civic like interior aswell especially the steering and knobs through out.

I think if you put them side by side,the only thing that looks similar are the 4 doors.
Totally different lines otherwise, e.g. curves in front guards and rear guards.

[badthing]

The 08 Accord Euro will be in showrooms in the month of September according to Drive's 2008 New Cars Calendar (http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=49047&vf=2).

[typeRr]

very nice

[SPQR]

The 08 Accord Euro will be in showrooms in the month of September according to Drive's 2008 New Cars Calendar (http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=49047&vf=2).

No. My friendly dealer tells me they are going to Japan for the Dealer release in June with a release to public in Australia in July. The new Jazz is being released in September.

[PNR888]

It's still easier than say a Saab. LOL
The new cockpit looks cluttered with buttons because they replaced the 3 dials (passenger and driver temperature control and volume control) with 6 additional buttons instead.


I still prefer dails than buttons for audio volume control and AC temperature controls. Dials are more user friendly and safer to use. With buttons, you have to look down and search for location of buttons, then determine which one is UP and which one is DOWN. can be mixed up with other controls when in hurry.

and say if you want to turn down AC 3 degree, with dail, you just turn it in one motion, but with dails, you need to press it 3 times. Same goes for volume control..

[kimnkk]

No. My friendly dealer tells me they are going to Japan for the Dealer release in June with a release to public in Australia in July. The new Jazz is being released in September.

My dealer tells me the new Euro is getting a showroom release in September for Australia.

[SPQR]

My dealer tells me the new Euro is getting a showroom release in September for Australia.


Yes, my Dealer changed his story to September at the earliest today.

[power_of_dreams]

I guesss another good thing to come out of this is cheaper parts for CL9!

[LXRY]

I guesss another good thing to come out of this is cheaper parts for CL9!

Hehe you wish lol..........;)

[EuroDude]

If anything, parts would stay the same price. Many companies 'freeze' the cost of parts despite identical/similar/better parts for later models being cheaper.

[dmx]

i prefer new ones. have a "string muscle" looks :)

[JAC]

the new accord euro looks good, have the same popular DNA from current euro not built from scratch. all jdm/euro accord owner should proud as honda still stick to the current design and improve it rather than total redesign that could make the car looks ugly
don't worry all honda cars looks better in reality, never looks good on preview picture (looks like diesel model sedan shown on preview picture and the petrol version should have the twin exaust and hopefully could rev to beyond 7000rpm redline rather than diesel 4500rpm)

[corn_flakes]

i'm going to the geneva international motor show on tuesday :D

so i'll take some pics and report back what it's like in real life ;)

[snYpz]

i'm going to the geneva international motor show on tuesday :D

so i'll take some pics and report back what it's like in real life ;)

wow awesome! Are u lucky or wat?!?
Cant wait for the pics! :D

[sakinah]

is the specifications of this car listed anywhere?

[SPQR]

I have just found what appears to be a recent review/road test of the 2009 Acura TSX at:

http://www.wikio.com/leisure/cars/acura/acura_tsx?wfid=51480361

Apparently, according (no pun intended) to one article, stability at speed has not improved with the car requiring constant corrective steering inputs. Another article says it was very good in foul weather.

http://www.wikio.com/leisure/cars/acura/acura_tsx?wfid=51480361

I had a new Accord for a day last week. It was well behaved at speed.

And some not so nice reviews at:

http://www.wikio.com/leisure/cars/acura/acura_tsx?wfid=51805757

Photos at:

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/first-drive-2009-acura-tsx/709890/

[biee2]

love the interior expecialli the dash....not to sure about the outside view though.....but yeah have to see it in person to realli make a judgement, but i will still take the euro over the mazda 6 anytime....hehe:thumbsup:

[tony1234]

I have just found what appears to be a recent review/road test of the 2009 Acura TSX at:

http://www.wikio.com/leisure/cars/acura/acura_tsx?wfid=51480361

Apparently, according (no pun intended) to one article, stability at speed has not improved with the car requiring constant corrective steering inputs. Another article says it was very good in foul weather.

http://www.wikio.com/leisure/cars/acura/acura_tsx?wfid=51480361

I had a new Accord for a day last week. It was well behaved at speed.

And some not so nice reviews at:

http://www.wikio.com/leisure/cars/acura/acura_tsx?wfid=51805757

Photos at:

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/first-drive-2009-acura-tsx/709890/
Just looked at the specs and did a quick conversion.172ft/lbs=233Nm(same as current model.201HP=149Kw(9Kw increase over current model).But wait for it.Weight 3419lbs.=1550Kg.approx.110Kg increase over current Lux.:thumbdwn::thumbdwn:

[Mike Star]

I'm not very keen on the look of it either inside or out. The blue one looks truly disgusting. The Graphite looks better but for me there are too many conflicting lines and angles and then there is ............... the grille!

[SPQR]

....and then there is ............... the grille!

The grille is only applicable to the Acura TSX. Our Euro will have the JDM/European grille.

The blue appears, in different lighting, to be the same Artic Blue Pearl that we get on the current model. I'd actually prefer it to be brighter; not being a big fan of sad, depressing, dark and sombre colours. Something like what they used have available on the Jazz: Vivid Blue Pearl. Now that's a stunning colour.

[Euro76]

European Accord Tourer pics are just in, you can view them at http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2008/04/2009-honda-accord-tourer-image-galore.html

[Mike Star]

Couldn't agree more!!

[SPQR]

The new Accord Euro appears to be already on sale in Italy.

http://www.honda.it/car/minisites/areyouaccord/index.html?utm_source=hondait_carousel&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=nuovaaccord

Oops! Went back to the site and had a proper read. It's a preview site much like what Honda does just before a new car is released.

[kirikstyle]

it's bloody nice..much much better i think..if i have money, i wanna trade in my euro with the new one ;)

[PNR888]

In depth information about new Accord Euro. Got all the detail info you need.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080408.010/european-honda-accord-sedan-and-tourer-in-detail

[CB7_OWNER]

OO.. that wagon is pretty hot!! should have made them sooner...accord wagons FTW


EDIT: fulling feeling those stock rims on the accord in the picture too..hot!

[yfin]

The rear of the wagon kills the sedan. Honda really should look at a 6 speed auto - shame about 5 speed.

[tony1234]

The rear of the wagon kills the sedan. Honda really should look at a 6 speed auto - shame about 5 speed.
5 speed is OK,just need to sharpen the shifts or have a sport mode.

[tony1234]

Some interesting changes:
- 12-monthly or 20,000km service intervals;
- compression ratio up from 10:5 to 11:0. I wonder if the new 2.4 will be 98RON only?
- "petrol engines feature a drive-by-wire (electronic) throttle, ensuring very smooth and responsive adjustments directly proportional to driver input." Hopefully no more jerky throttle.
- I could find no mention of weight.....perhaps doesn't bode well. Hope it's not too lardy.

Still hate the sedan's styling. Wagon is much cleaner looking.
It puts on approx.110kg.Power up by 9kw,torque unchanged.:(

[aaronng]

Torque is 232Nm, up from 223Nm.

[Chris_F]

has the weight increase been confirmed? or is that speculation based on the weight of the TSX? Would be a damn shame if the lightest accord euro weighed 1500kg

[kirikstyle]

seems the new euro is on sale in US now. check the site:
http://acura.com

really nice ;)

[tony1234]

Torque is 232Nm, up from 223Nm.
Haha you're right,232Nm looks like 223Nm.:o
The extra 110kg in weight is based on the TSX spec.

[vincikwan]

just another face lift

[SPQR]

- "petrol engines feature a drive-by-wire (electronic) throttle, ensuring very smooth and responsive adjustments directly proportional to driver input." Hopefully no more jerky throttle.


The Euro has always had drive-by-wire (electronic) throttle. It makes my auto super smooth; especially at low speeds where very fine throttle control is available.....just as the advertising brochure from the dealership said.

[SPQR]

Sorry - my fault - I meant they have hopefully re-tuned the DBW throttle to ensure smoother operation (in the manual models).

I was just being facetious. I know that the manual suffers from shunting at low speed. That's one of the reasons I got the auto.

[80057]

The Euro has always had drive-by-wire (electronic) throttle. It makes my auto super smooth; especially at low speeds where very fine throttle control is available.....just as the advertising brochure from the dealership said.

DBW:thumbsup:
but i must admit it took a while to get used to as its touchy, probably cos i was driving a banged up 91 corolla before i got my euro...lol
but now my other car seems to take to long to react when taking off

[LXRY]

The rear of the wagon kills the sedan. Honda really should look at a 6 speed auto - shame about 5 speed.

.........I totally agree ;)



Some interesting changes:
- 12-monthly or 20,000km service intervals;



Yes some interesting changes alright....

Alot of other car manufacturers are doing 20,000 klm's services some more, upto 32,000klms on some mercedes. It's all got to do with the materials used in building of the motor and quality of oil used, as far as I can gather ( please correct me if i'm wrong ). We'll see if the oem oil changes Honda using now changes this will be a good indicator. Two manufacturers I definetly know that are doing this is Mercedes and Volvo, their are others but not 100 % sure which others are doing this. This is a bonus for consumers as the servicing is cheaper, win win !! And also a good seller for the salesmen selling the cars as this appeals to us the consumer !!

[EuroAccord13]

I never believed in 15000kms oil change intervals, talk about 20000kms????
It's all about cost savings in terms of maintainance to the customer....

[aaronng]

Yes some interesting changes alright....

Alot of other car manufacturers are doing 20,000 klm's services some more, upto 32,000klms on some mercedes. It's all got to do with the materials used in building of the motor and quality of oil used, as far as I can gather ( please correct me if i'm wrong ). We'll see if the oem oil changes Honda using now changes this will be a good indicator. Two manufacturers I definetly know that are doing this is Mercedes and Volvo, their are others but not 100 % sure which others are doing this. This is a bonus for consumers as the servicing is cheaper, win win !! And also a good seller for the salesmen selling the cars as this appeals to us the consumer !!
I don't like that. It works if you are leasing or keeping the car for only 3-5 years. That is what an extended service interval is designed for, low maintenance and a selling point for the duration that you are owning a new car. The 2nd owner after that will take the brunt of the problems, which is what car manufacturers want, to get people to buy NEW cars instead of secondhand ones. Go look at what happens to BMWs when you follow the 1 year 20,000 mile service schedule, combined with start stop city driving. Here is a pic:

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2417/sludge2oe8.jpg

BTW, this engine was only 40,000 miles old.

Edit: Here is another pic from another BMW owner.

http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL898/1704243/5726151/93067197.jpg

Interesting post from someone who had their engine replaced under goodwill warranty. http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2788533&postcount=384

[ACE888]

Any idea when this new model will hit Oz's dealerships?

I'm keen on having a look at the new Euro as I'm in the market for a new car..... my choices are 09 Jazz, 09 Mazda 3, 09 Accords.

[tony1234]

There is NO way i'd change my oil and filter only every 20K.The longest i'd leave it between oil and filter changes is 10K or 6 mths.

[LXRY]

I don't like that. It works if you are leasing or keeping the car for only 3-5 years. That is what an extended service interval is designed for, low maintenance and a selling point for the duration that you are owning a new car. The 2nd owner after that will take the brunt of the problems, which is what car manufacturers want, to get people to buy NEW cars instead of secondhand ones. Go look at what happens to BMWs when you follow the 1 year 20,000 mile service schedule, combined with start stop city driving. Here is a pic:

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2417/sludge2oe8.jpg

BTW, this engine was only 40,000 miles old.

Edit: Here is another pic from another BMW owner.

http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL898/1704243/5726151/93067197.jpg

Interesting post from someone who had their engine replaced under goodwill warranty. http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2788533&postcount=384


Wow...looks bad Aaronng. You make some great points their.

My mercedes van done 180,000 klms serviced at every 22,500klms (Work horse and diesel) van drives the same as new, no smoke. New vans are 32,000 klms now, diesel too.

Look im not a fan of longer oil changes either. I assumed it was material and oil which made this possible.

.....heard bmw had burning of oil issues in the past aswell.

[d0p3y]

Any idea when this new model will hit Oz's dealerships?

I'm keen on having a look at the new Euro as I'm in the market for a new car..... my choices are 09 Jazz, 09 Mazda 3, 09 Accords.

+1, I'd also like to know if anyone has any further info on release dates and pricing?? I've heard different things from different places.... some say later 08, some say early 09, and no word on how the pricing will be on the new model.

[dyljoy]

Just have a talk with saleman of honda dealer yesterday, he told me the new eruo will release around this June. but its pricelist still unknown at this stage.

+1, I'd also like to know if anyone has any further info on release dates and pricing?? I've heard different things from different places.... some say later 08, some say early 09, and no word on how the pricing will be on the new model.

[IVTECS4]

The new Euro's pricetag would most likely be lineball with the new Mazda 6( looks ugly imo), and others like the Ford Mondeo price range... I'm looking forward to the new Accord Euro wagon and the diesel engine.

[d0p3y]

I too am keen on the diesel (however, in sedan form) but I wonder whether we will get that or the wagon....

[Mike Star]

The new Euro looks like an old mans car IMO. I'm 58 but clealry I'm not old enough cos when I look at my MY06 ERuro Lux I cant see anything about the new model that I like better. Its just got a whole lot more generic and is now a competitor for the Camry etc and I think that's very disappointing. Too many conflicting angles and lines, too much rear overhang, fussy interior ergonomics etc etc
One of the great things about the first Euro and the subsequent upgrades was that the lines of the car were quite unique, actually classy. It didn't really look like any other car. You didn't mistake it for something else. The new one could be a Toyota or a Mazda or a ............................ :thumbdwn:

[viper8548]

Just have a talk with saleman of honda dealer yesterday, he told me the new eruo will release around this June. but its pricelist still unknown at this stage.

I was told last Wednesday this week when I picked up my car that the price for the new euro (coming in june/july) will be alot higher than the current euro, in the 50s. Not sure if that was on road tho.

[SPQR]

I was told last Wednesday this week when I picked up my car that the price for the new euro (coming in june/july) will be alot higher than the current euro, in the 50s. Not sure if that was on road tho.

This is plausible. The car is possibly now to be portrayed as being of higher quality than the Accord. It comes with quite sophisticated technology overseas. And the car is substantially bigger as well. It might be priced to fill the gap between the Accord and the Legend as this price gap is enormous.

However, if you're a car manufacturer who's spent the last five year developing a market for a model complete with a good following, why would you alienate a ready-made market by jacking-up the price?

If they do that then they'll put it out of my perceived value-for-money reach. I might have to consider buying an equally expensive car of another brand instead.

[tony1234]

The new Euro looks like an old mans car IMO. I'm 58 but clealry I'm not old enough cos when I look at my MY06 ERuro Lux I cant see anything about the new model that I like better. Its just got a whole lot more generic and is now a competitor for the Camry etc and I think that's very disappointing. Too many conflicting angles and lines, too much rear overhang, fussy interior ergonomics etc etc
One of the great things about the first Euro and the subsequent upgrades was that the lines of the car were quite unique, actually classy. It didn't really look like any other car. You didn't mistake it for something else. The new one could be a Toyota or a Mazda or a ............................ :thumbdwn:
I think you'll find that the new shape,when it's been on sale for a year or so and you see a few on the road it'll grow on you.

[Euro76]

I was told last Wednesday this week when I picked up my car that the price for the new euro (coming in june/july) will be alot higher than the current euro, in the 50s. Not sure if that was on road tho.

Well it is quite possible. The new Acura TSX that has just been released in US carried $2K-3K price increase over its predecessor. I think I still like the current model better by the outside but new Euro is definitely nicer inside :p

[tony1234]

Well it is quite possible. The new Acura TSX that has just been released in US carried $2K-3K price increase over its predecessor. I think I still like the current model better by the outside but new Euro is definitely nicer inside :p
I think you'll find that the AUDM will be a slightly stripped down version of the USDM model to compete with Mazda 6,Mondeo,Liberty and will be priced around the same as it's competitors.

[_CiVIC_]

still not enough for me to keep my euro...

golf gti all the way! :D

[sendok]

wah2 hot wagon :D

[sitta]

the chrome around the window looks exactly the same as the old one, the handle as well

[kirikstyle]

hopefully the price is still the same or probably gettin cheaper ;)

[UNLS1]

i dont really make my decision on new cars with just pics.

ive learnt over the years when u see the actual car in the flesh some opinions will change alot.
better or for worse that up to you.

so i usually dont comment on any of hondas new models till ive seen em in the flesh coz sometimes they look better than in the pics.

[SPQR]

One can only pray. :)

Or hold positive thought consistent with quantum mechanics where the observer probably influences the outcome of infinite possibilities.

I think the new Euro will look just fine in the metal/plastic/rubber/leather. I think the 3" of extra width will give it more presence on the road. I think that the much larger tyres will make it look more substantial. I think they will have cured the woeful directional stability of the current model. And the cabin will have been designed for Americans from the outset and so I should fit better.

[SPQR]

Thanks! A good review overall. But, I think that we need to think more positive thoughts about the following extract from the article so that the car can be cured by the time it is released in Oz:

"Lastly, a 201PS 2.4i auto Touring. Like the 2.0i, this steered more like the old Accord, feeling disconcertingly vague at high speed on long motorway sleepers"

[SPQR]

I think we get ripped-off on car prices. What about the poor Brits? A $53K Euro!!!

I've never heard the Euro engine described as noisy and not smooth!

[Chris_F]

DIMENSIONS
(Saloon)
Length: 4,726mm (186”)
Width (excluding mirrors): 1,840mm (6’ 1”)
Height: 1,440mm (4’ 9”)
Luggage capacity: 460-467 litres.
Kerb weight: 1,414 – 1,632kg
Maximum braked towing weight: 2.0i 1,500kg; 2.4i 1,600kg; 2.2D 1,700kg.
Turning radius – kerb to kerb: 5.49 metres
Fuel tank capacity: 65 litres

1414kg, for the base 2.0 litre model. I guess we're looking at about 1500kg for the bas 2.4 litre manual when it comes to Australia.

That's really pushing it for a 4 cylinder car with 200hp

[aaronng]

I think we get ripped-off on car prices. What about the poor Brits? A $53K Euro!!!

I've never heard the Euro engine described as noisy and not smooth!

The brit's opinion on cars are a bit skewed. I've seen a review from a reputable magazine bagging the 2.4L and claiming the 2.0L petrol was slightly better while the OLD 2.2L diesel was a MUCH better drive and car than both petrol versiosn. LOL

[SPQR]

The brit's opinion on cars are a bit skewed. I've seen a review from a reputable magazine bagging the 2.4L and claiming the 2.0L petrol was slightly better while the OLD 2.2L diesel was a MUCH better drive and car than both petrol versiosn. LOL

Yeah, and Americans think big, ugly, crass grilles look nice!

I Think I might have said in an earlier post that the 2.4L is about 1,580kg. The heaviest would probably be the Diesel wagon.

Has anyone seen the new Euro in Melbourne? We got those photos of the cars on the back of a truck but since then no reported sightings. Has anyone peeked into one parked somewhere to see what equipment they have?

[aaronng]

Has anyone seen the new Euro in Melbourne? We got those photos of the cars on the back of a truck but since then no reported sightings. Has anyone peeked into one parked somewhere to see what equipment they have?

They are not launched yet though, so they would have to go into a dealer holding yard to look. ;)

[UNLS1]

Has anyone seen the new Euro in Melbourne? We got those photos of the cars on the back of a truck but since then no reported sightings. Has anyone peeked into one parked somewhere to see what equipment they have?



those 2 euros are behind closed doors at honda australia now.
no dealers have any.

[IVTECS4]

Here is a photo taken on temple of vtec - a photo of both the new TSX (Accord Euro) and the old TSX (Accord Euro) .

Seems like the new car is wider than the old car. But imo, both cars look great.

[BiLL|z0r]

Looking at them side by side, I still love our current shape.

[MiSloVic]

I was told last Wednesday this week when I picked up my car that the price for the new euro (coming in june/july) will be alot higher than the current euro, in the 50s. Not sure if that was on road tho.

that probably makes sense... honda is bringing in the high-spec versions of the civic hatch. price range is rumoured to be around the mid 30s. and with the Thai Accord priced at the 30-mid 40s, that leaves some room for the euro to be priced higher.

a higher priced Euro (a Acura TSX), will sort-of paves the way for the Acura brand in Aus, if honda decides to go down that path.

a higher priced euro also means the current euro will retain its resale value better.

[Suntzu]

I want the manual diesel wagon. As long as its under 1500kgs and has 350NM plus Ill buy it. Otherwise im keeping my current ride as it still only got 45 000km after 3 years driving.

The TSX with body kits in a sedan looks HAWT tho.

[yfin]

I get the feeling the new Euro will be slower than the current model...

[IVTECS4]

Possibly due to the increase in weight , size etc(maybe sapping performance a bit)... it's probably the i-DTEC diesel engine that might be faster than the normal K24A one( unless they managed to get some of the low end torque happening). I wonder if the new one still has the current's surefooted handling?

[aaronng]

Possibly due to the increase in weight , size etc(maybe sapping performance a bit)... it's probably the i-DTEC diesel engine that might be faster than the normal K24A one( unless they managed to get some of the low end torque happening). I wonder if the new one still has the current's surefooted handling?

New one is supposed to have even better handling because of the wider track and altered suspension design.

[aaronng]

I get the feeling the new Euro will be slower than the current model...

It most probably would... but then again, the old Euro's official performance numbers were underestimated. So the new one might be slower than the old Euro in real life, but in the numbers game, could be the same or slightly quicker.

In the end, the Euro is a medium sized family car with a reasonable engine. It wasn't meant to be a 0-100km/h performance car. So maintaining or losing out a bit on performance won't affect the majority of the potential Euro buyers. It just affects us enthusiasts.

[Dilan]

hey guys,

Looking at new mid-sized car and right now its gonna be a Mazda 6. However I have heard that the new Euro might be released soon.

After reading an article on autotrader two things caught my attention.

HONDA'S vital new Accord Euro sedan was presented to a selection of the Australian motoring media in Austria last week, with local sales due to commence at the end of June.
So is this correct, will the cars be available for sale end of June?


Honda Australia director Lindsay Smalley said that local pricing will not be announced until the first week of June, but we can expect a considerable increase over the current entry point of $33,990 based on the experience in the UK (where prices have increased by about 10 per cent).

So we would be looking at ~$37k+ entry?

http://www1.autotrader.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/DD2F8CE8B0417582CA257447000AAD0F

[SPQR]

In the end, the Euro is a medium sized family car with a reasonable engine. It wasn't meant to be a 0-100km/h performance car. So maintaining or losing out a bit on performance won't affect the majority of the potential Euro buyers. It just affects us enthusiasts.

I think this is an accurate assessment of where the old Euro and the new Euro are pitched at the market. We enthusiasts have hoped that it would be a little more than what it was ever intended to be. This might manifest itself in a better spread of torque but still:

"All I want is a little more than I'll ever get"

[badthing]

Some news on Accord Euro Diesel at Carsguide.

http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/motoring-news/story/hondas_desire_for_diesel/

There's a mention of the release of the new Accord Euro in June 08 at the end of the article.

And also here.

http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/research/story/its_euro_evolution_new_honda_accord_euro_first_dri ve/

[kirikstyle]

i heard from honda dealer, the new euro will be ready on the first week of july after 'end of financial year sale' ended (june 30th)..hopefully the price is still $33990 ;)

[Exar Kun]

There's a launch review at Carpoint:

http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2934946.aspx

They say it's likely the price will go up to around $35k for the entry level. Overall a positive review too.

[aaronng]

There's a launch review at Carpoint:

http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2934946.aspx

They say it's likely the price will go up to around $35k for the entry level. Overall a positive review too.

From the review: "A full version for the 18-inch-shod models' wouldn't fit in the boot, and besides, Honda Australia says customers aren't complaining... Just Aussie motoring journos!"

This is what I dislike about Honda Australia. They like to make up our opinions on our behalf. I would complain if my lux didn't come with a full sized spare. Also, the 17" comes with 225/50R17 tyres. If the 18" isn't going to fit, i wonder what tyres it comes with. 235/40R18? If it is 225/45R18, I'd be spewing because the overall dimensions are the same as 225/50R17.

[DanVR4]

Personally while it looks like a nice car, it doesn't do enough for me to want to upgrade from the old body. I think Honda Australia will do themselves an injustice if they don't bring in the diesel engine version. It's the reason I'd upgrade

[IVTECS4]

it's a pity the wagon version of the Euro and that diesel engine isn't gonna come yet. The wagon and the diesel engine would be sweet ( 5AT as well - yep found the next car to replace the 1995 Nissan Maxima 30G lol).

Mazda and Subaru have a wagon version of the (new)6 and the Liberty so why is Honda Australia hesitating about bringing in the wagon version of the accord euro - ADR issues? They said in a review on www.goauto.com.au that 2010 would be accessing the possibilities of bringing it over - not good enough!

[Exar Kun]

From the review: "A full version for the 18-inch-shod models' wouldn't fit in the boot, and besides, Honda Australia says customers aren't complaining... Just Aussie motoring journos!"

This is what I dislike about Honda Australia. They like to make up our opinions on our behalf. I would complain if my lux didn't come with a full sized spare. Also, the 17" comes with 225/50R17 tyres. If the 18" isn't going to fit, i wonder what tyres it comes with. 235/40R18? If it is 225/45R18, I'd be spewing because the overall dimensions are the same as 225/50R17.

I agree. There were two reasons I didn't look at getting Mazda 6 (could have got a better deal on one too) and the full size spare issue was one of them.

[Suntzu]

I cant justify upgrading. Im only doing 12 000kms a year on my euro. My 2005 only got 42 000kms on it and its in mint condition.

Sure the new body looks nicer, but its the same engine and transmission. Its a nice car but its not as sport IMO.

I would consider a diesel wagon though. Its would be just as quick, if not quicker, but better on fuel and great for a bit of towing. That being said im not paying a $5000 premium for it either as it takes to long to recover the extra cost.

[N3M3SIS]

i heard the diesel model is onlt manual, and will have 112kw...but over 320nm of torque, Honda also said, they will develope a 5AT for the diesel but it will come out after the 6MT.

[Suntzu]

ill be disappointed in those figures. They are pimping this new honda DTEC gen diesel spec, but Mazda is already knocking out 350nm in a 2lt diesel mazda 3 and BMW have a 130kw 400nm sport diesel already in europe.

That being said honda do normally aim for the best emmisisons over outright power.

[CB7_OWNER]

i think the current model is soo perfect... love the exterior looks of it...

[my_vtec77]

i think the current model is soo perfect... love the exterior looks of it...

That's absolutely right. Can't compare the current exterior styling.

[SPEEDCORE]

ill be disappointed in those figures. They are pimping this new honda DTEC gen diesel spec, but Mazda is already knocking out 350nm in a 2lt diesel mazda 3 and BMW have a 130kw 400nm sport diesel already in europe.

That being said honda do normally aim for the best emmisisons over outright power.

What size engines are the mazda and BMW and are they forced?

[Dilan]

What size engines are the mazda and BMW and are they forced?

BMW 120D - 125kW @ 4000rpm, 340nm @ 1750rpm - Turbo Intercooled. 2.0L
BMW 530D - 160kW @ 4000rpm, 480Nm @ 1750rpm-2750rpm -Turbo Intercooled 3.0L :cool:

Mazda 6 (2007) - 105kW @ 3500rpm, 360Nm @ 2000rpm - Turbo Intercooled 2.0L

VW Jetta - 103kW @ 4000rpm, 320Nm @ 1750rpm-2500rpm - Turbo Intercooled 2.0L

Ford Mondeo - 96kW @ 4000rpm, 320Nm @ 1750rpm-2240rpm - Turbo Intercooled 2.0L

[bentusi123]

it doesnt looks good.
maybe inside change alot and looks nice.
but the outside is too "big"~~~~~
also........the muffler just like the old version Mazda 6!?
small and nothing have sport feeling.

[Dilan]

also........the muffler just like the old version Mazda 6!?
small and nothing have sport feeling.
Anyone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe its the 2.0L that gets the "small" exhaust. I think the 2.4L has something like this; http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8995&d=1210584964

[ShAwNeX]

not a big fan of the shape of the lights

[SPQR]

From the review: "A full version for the 18-inch-shod models' wouldn't fit in the boot, and besides, Honda Australia says customers aren't complaining... Just Aussie motoring journos!"

This is what I dislike about Honda Australia. They like to make up our opinions on our behalf. I would complain if my lux didn't come with a full sized spare. Also, the 17" comes with 225/50R17 tyres. If the 18" isn't going to fit, i wonder what tyres it comes with. 235/40R18? If it is 225/45R18, I'd be spewing because the overall dimensions are the same as 225/50R17.

One would expect the same overall diameter as you say. In which case it should fit but it might protrude more if the rim is wider.

[SPEEDCORE]

BMW 120D - 125kW @ 4000rpm, 340nm @ 1750rpm - Turbo Intercooled. 2.0L
BMW 530D - 160kW @ 4000rpm, 480Nm @ 1750rpm-2750rpm -Turbo Intercooled 3.0L :cool:

Mazda 6 (2007) - 105kW @ 3500rpm, 360Nm @ 2000rpm - Turbo Intercooled 2.0L

VW Jetta - 103kW @ 4000rpm, 320Nm @ 1750rpm-2500rpm - Turbo Intercooled 2.0L

Ford Mondeo - 96kW @ 4000rpm, 320Nm @ 1750rpm-2240rpm - Turbo Intercooled 2.0L

Thanks for that.... I think the next logical comparison would be to see how frugal honda's diesel is compared to the others. Personally.. I think the 112kw is enough... would like to see another 30-40Nm more torque, but if the consumption is better than the competition even with the extra cc compared to all those in that list (minus the 3L beemer), I think it could end up being a good choice.... time will tell.

[Suntzu]

I dont think slightly better than 3 year old ford and vw diesels is good enough. Not when you have an extra 200cc to play with.

But in hondas defence it because it exceeds the Euro VI standards for emissions which is fantastic, using the ammonia recovery system honda developed. Very high tech.

regardless of all this it comes down to how the diesel drives...

I dunno if i can come off my 7600 rpm limit and drop to a 4000rpm one!

[IVTECS4]

With all that torque from 2000 to the 4000 RPM redline, I won't be complaining :p That diesel would be nice to drive (either with the 6 speed Manual or if they are able to get the 5AT to handle the torque).

[SPEEDCORE]

I like revs too but go drive a modern diesel if you haven't.... last diesel thing I drove was the Volvo XC90... the bloody thing just pulls from the lights so hard it truely shocked me. Granted.... the thing drives like a bloody truck (steering and handling through Brisbane city streets was not real pleasant at all) but the engine matched to the auto they offer is top notch :thumbsup:

I think the days of "manual a must" with a diesel might be over with these modern autos. They just keep the thing right in the meat of the torque really well.

Might be getting older.. but instantaneous torque is alot more appealing these days then having to work the ring out of an engine to get the thing moving.

[SPQR]

I think the days of "manual a must" with a diesel might be over with these modern autos. They just keep the thing right in the meat of the torque really well.

Might be getting older.. but instantaneous torque is alot more appealing these days then having to work the ring out of an engine to get the thing moving.

Modern autos keep the turbo in boost and so have an advantage over manuals. The new Ford XR6T is, according to the current issue of Motor, quicker than the manual version and the Porsche turbo auto is apparently quicker than the manual:

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=11039&vf=10

As for modern turbo diesels, it's about keeping in the boost zone.

[yfin]

I just saw a new euro on the way home from work on Dandenong Rd, Caulfield! Red euro - plated EURO-25. Looks better than the photos and cannot be far away for sale if it is being tested on the road. The guy must have thought I was a nutter as I was speeding up and slowing down to get a good look.

[SPQR]

I just saw a new euro on the way home from work on Dandenong Rd, Caulfield! Red euro - plated EURO-25. Looks better than the photos and cannot be far away for sale if it is being tested on the road. The guy must have thought I was a nutter as I was speeding up and slowing down to get a good look.

With a plate like that, it is probably being used for a TV ad. Apparently, dealers are getting together for a preview in three weeks. Release date at end of June.

Anyone noticed how the new Euro doesn't appear in the 'what's coming' sections of Wheels or Motor or that neither has done a full test of the new Accord? It's a reflection of how far below their radar Honda cars are for these mags. Well. I want authoritative opinion. I need to have my future purchase validated by the experts. I need to feel the warmth of the aura of success. I want my bank manager to pay out my mortgage......

[marcus]

any start button?

[Dilan]

any start button?

hahah I am hoping for one. The new 6 doesn't have one, even though (AFAIK) the base model in Japan does

[aaronng]

I think Road and Track had a quick test of the TSX, and they got 0-98km/h in 7.5 seconds and 1/4 mile in 15.5 seconds. Quite spiffy considering the loss of 4hp and weight gained.

[UNLS1]

lol our demo plates for euro are EURO 1

yes the release is the end of june.
i will be inviting members on here to a private release and information night to view all the cars, learn about them with reps from honda aus attending as well as prizes and other fun things.

will be on june 19th.

watch this space.

[centurionau]

Ooh, that sounds very interesting. May be a good time for a potential Euro owner to get a sneak preview, hehe.

[Dilan]

Does anybody know when prices are going to be revealed? IIRC some sites were speculating that it would be on the 1st

[SPQR]

I just had a look at new Euro on the Honda Italy website. We don't get anywhere near the features that others can choose from overseas. Honda Australia should make them available as options. People would be willing to pay but we don't even get that choice.

[blk05gli]

SPQR - Honda maybe is waiting for the Acura Brand to intro the fully featured/optioned models?

[SPQR]

SPQR - Honda maybe is waiting for the Acura Brand to intro the fully featured/optioned models?

Well then get to it! We need to increase Honda's take-home pay from 60,000 to 100,000 units so we can get the Acura brand. Hang-on a minute, would that mean the Euro would be renamed the TSX?

[blk05gli]

no, maybe this:
Euro Standard - Honda Accord Euro
Euro Lux - Acura TSX
Euro Lux Nav - Acura TL :-D

[SPQR]

no, maybe this:
Euro Standard - Honda Accord Euro
Euro Lux - Acura TSX
Euro Lux Nav - Acura TL :-D

The TL is a different chassis; based on the American Honda Accord. It is not from the same family as the TSX/Euro. I don't think that sort of marketing will work because Acura has to have snob value to sell. No Acura buyer would want a cheaper Honda version of the same car in the same market, no matter what the differences in equipment.

[aaronng]

SPQR - Honda maybe is waiting for the Acura Brand to intro the fully featured/optioned models?

Doubt that is the reason. Probably Honda Australia is not able to get certain features like Lane Keeping Assist to pass under ADR, or other features like memory seats and night vision camera to come in while maintaining the current price points.

Kudos to them for bringing in the base model with 17" rims and the Lux with 18" though.

[Euro76]

It's better that the standard version now gets 17 inch otherwise 16 inch would look far too puny for a grown up Euro :D