is it possible to repair this rim?

[qikteg]

I've been hunting for a set of super advans for ages in a 4x100 stud pattern, i've found a set, but one rim is severely bent.

now as i've been looking for so long, i'm happy to pay out a bit of coin, but is it even possible to fix something like this?

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/9237/ae111parts4vh1.th.png

[bennjamin]

it is possible to repair it. But it will weaken the rigidity of the wheel and over time will unbalance itself. If it is in another impact it will most likely crack and cause a major incident so DONT RISK IT

[Glitta]

I know an absolute genius at fixing shit like that in Chipping Norton.. we had a rim that was buckled and had a chunk missing from the metal rim on the outside and they worked their magic for it.. I will have to look up the details but I beleive it's 10 Childs Rd Chipping Norton.. theres some industrial units there have a look on the right hand units or ask around owners name is Gary but his sons mostly run the show now they also do custom intercoolers and stuff.. if it can be fixed he will be your man.

I've probably got to go there over the next few days to fix a rim aswell if you can hold out I will get a business card for you.

[bennjamin]

you talking of "magman" ?

[Limbo]

do you happen to have his number? i was meant to take soemthing to him before

[bennjamin]

magman

(02) 9709 2686

good guy to deal with , he will take on jobs most other wheel shops wont do. But dont expect a warranty on harder work

[krogoth]

pretty risky i reckon

i can only guess how something like that will be fixed.....

but as ben said, u cant be sure of its reliability

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

pretty risky i reckon

i can only guess how something like that will be fixed.....

but as ben said, u cant be sure of its reliability

Quoted for truth...

but in all seriouseness dont do it mang....just buy some Mr5's or Cf-48's (i can help if you want :p)

[mrwillz]

that looks fkd lol

[Glitta]

you talking of "magman" ?

lol magman has no clue compared to this guy I am talking about..

Besides Magman is in Bankstown the guy I know is in Chipping Norton as stated above.

Magman will charge you an arm and a leg for that mag and it won't turn out as good as what my guy will do.

[Dreams]

bigger pic maybe? i cant click the thumbnail. any cracks?

[[ricer]]

are they heaps rare aye

my neighbour has a set just sitting in his garage doing nothing lol
what stud pattern you after
i'll ask him if he wants to sell...

his are black though

edit: just read ur after 4x100... his are 5stud

[qikteg]

i just reckon those super advans look super sweet on 80's/90's coupes.. but i'm not willing to compromise safety for them. if i can't be guaranteed that it'll be safe and last a fair while, then i agree with the concensus that it probably isn't worth it..

mr-5's it is! :)

[Glitta]

i just reckon those super advans look super sweet on 80's/90's coupes.. but i'm not willing to compromise safety for them. if i can't be guaranteed that it'll be safe and last a fair while, then i agree with the concensus that it probably isn't worth it..

mr-5's it is! :)

Perhaps you should show them to someone who actually knows what they are talking about before you decide that.

Our rim was worse like I said actual chunks missing from it. It came up perfectly and was entirely safe and just as strong as if it had never been damaged.

[krogoth]

im sure the person who glitta is talking about knows much much much more than we do

but i study this sort of stuff

that wheel has pretty much buckled, if its going to be repaired, it will be done in a very special way

and it takes a GOD of a materials engineer that has been doing this shit for centuries to do it properly

if he/she takes a shortcut, or leaves something for too long or too short a time, it could completley alter the property and strength of the metal

im paranoid coz i know wat sort has to be done to repair it, and im saying from my limited knowledge, that i wouldnt risk it

thats y im paranoid, not because it cant be done, but because i know its a difficult job

so id rather say fuk it, and start over, buy a whole new set of wheels....

BUT this is wat id do

by all means qkteg, go to this guy glitta is talkin about and have a chat to him, come back and tell us everything

im very interested in wat he will say

[qikteg]

somebody may have already bought them from underneath me...

but i'll see what i can do, because if i can get them, i want them.

[Sir_vtec]

whats the price on these wheels if u dont mind me asking.

[Glitta]

im sure the person who glitta is talking about knows much much much more than we do

but i study this sort of stuff

that wheel has pretty much buckled, if its going to be repaired, it will be done in a very special way

and it takes a GOD of a materials engineer that has been doing this shit for centuries to do it properly

if he/she takes a shortcut, or leaves something for too long or too short a time, it could completley alter the property and strength of the metal

im paranoid coz i know wat sort has to be done to repair it, and im saying from my limited knowledge, that i wouldnt risk it

thats y im paranoid, not because it cant be done, but because i know its a difficult job

so id rather say fuk it, and start over, buy a whole new set of wheels....

BUT this is wat id do

by all means qkteg, go to this guy glitta is talkin about and have a chat to him, come back and tell us everything

im very interested in wat he will say

lol the guy im talking about is extremely skilled has been in the game for a very long time.. he has more degrees in stuff then I can even name! lol He is fully qualified is just about anything car repairing related.. and is a genuis with anything metal. I've seen his work he is very good at what he does and takes his time I have no idea how the hell he does some of the stuff he does but have been using him for 10 years now for various stuff that people have said can't be repaired and he's always came up with the goods.

Cannot recommend him highly enough, even if you don't end up using him for the rim keep his details what he can do is very specialised. You will see when you go to see him anyways. Not only that he is reasonable with his prices and a top bloke aswell.. If you can get Gary to do the job better for you but he is kinda retiring his sons do most of the work now but both are as good as their Dad anyways..

He recently completed his pet project of fully restoring a Cessna airplane 4 seater get him to show you the photos you WILL NOT beleive what that plane looked like he nows spends his time flying it around based at Bankstown Airport.. incredible bloke..

[krogoth]

ah, fair enough

he does sound like a complete pro

its just that i learn to be very wary, so many ppl and workshops talk so highly of themselves only for u to find that they have nfi later on

but yeh, good on him

if this place was in melb id go and ask them for work experience

[destrukshn]

Glitta, if you can post up contact details, it would be great
lol.

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

i just reckon those super advans look super sweet on 80's/90's coupes.. but i'm not willing to compromise safety for them. if i can't be guaranteed that it'll be safe and last a fair while, then i agree with the concensus that it probably isn't worth it..

mr-5's it is! :)

you have pm mate.......

[qikteg]

$300 for the set

[Glitta]

Glitta, if you can post up contact details, it would be great
lol.

lol I am getting there.. I've got to go see him over the next few days so when I do I will get a business card off him.. I know how to get there but not sure of his address and don't usually call just go see him when I need something done.

My cars off the road today so I'm not going to make it there so hopefully either over the weekend or Monday.

[Glitta]

OK guys contact details are as follows!!!

All Aluminium Welding
Unit 4/10 Childs Road
Chipping Norton

Just ask for Gary! If he's not there one of his sons should be able to help you out :)

[phantom_civic]

All Alumiunium & Cast iron welding services
Alumiunium gearboxes & engine parts
Air conditioning repairs
Boats & fuel tanks
Intercoolers
Mag wheels
Frame & radiator repairs
Unit 4, 10B Childs Road,
Chipping Norton NSW 2170
0407 662 751

His sons name is Nick.
Ive had experience with them b4 and there top guys.
:)

[z3lda]

i can get a set of these rims for you

[krogoth]

zomgggg, can any1 who goes down ther ask gary if he knows any equally reputable workshops in vic?

[JohnL]

Perhaps you should show them to someone who actually knows what they are talking about before you decide that.

Our rim was worse like I said actual chunks missing from it. It came up perfectly and was entirely safe and just as strong as if it had never been damaged.

I'm no mettalurgist, but from what I do know about metal (and I've worked with metal for many years) I think there would be no way you could repair that wheel and restore it so that it was "entirely safe and just as strong as if it had never been damaged". How could you possibly know?

Every time you deform metal you alter it's granular structure which weakens it. That wheel has been substantially deformed once already, straightening it will deform it again. Ask yourself; if that wheel were from a race car, would the race team repair it, or bin it?

Before someone says, "but racing wheels are much more stressed than road wheels", they aren't, road wheels are more stressed than race wheels due the nature of real world roads relative to smooth race tracks.

If you do get it repaired, at the very least you need to have it crack tested, even if it looks absolutely perfect. Personally I'd bin the wheel despite what anyone might say about it being repairable, I just wouldn't trust it.

[ekhybrid]

All aluminium is great
they dont charge too much too
a bit hard to find tho

[krogoth]

I'm no mettalurgist, but from what I do know about metal (and I've worked with metal for many years) I think there would be no way you could repair that wheel and restore it so that it was "entirely safe and just as strong as if it had never been damaged". How could you possibly know?

Every time you deform metal you alter it's granular structure which weakens it. That wheel has been substantially deformed once already, straightening it will deform it again. Ask yourself; if that wheel were from a race car, would the race team repair it, or bin it?

Before someone says, "but racing wheels are much more stressed than road wheels", they aren't, road wheels are more stressed than race wheels due the nature of real world roads relative to smooth race tracks.

If you do get it repaired, at the very least you need to have it crack tested, even if it looks absolutely perfect. Personally I'd bin the wheel despite what anyone might say about it being repairable, I just wouldn't trust it.

excellent response

and the point in bold is wat i was really trying to get across b4

cant rep u john, have done so recently, so i cant again, lol

[phantom_civic]

All aluminium is great
they dont charge too much too
a bit hard to find tho

Well the rims on my mx5 cost $680 to repair..
that includes replishing up the lip and fixn all gutter rashes n painted the centes in black.

Guess you get what u pay for..

[dorikin]

OK guys contact details are as follows!!!

All Aluminium Welding
Unit 4/10 Childs Road
Chipping Norton

Just ask for Gary! If he's not there one of his sons should be able to help you out :)

I've been to this guy, he knows his shit.

And I've also used Magman, the work turned out well. Couldn't even spot the damage or buckle any more and even polished up the whole lip.

Theres also another bloke who works from his home in Lansvale. He's been in the business for yearsss aswell. If you want this details let me know.

[Glitta]

I'm no mettalurgist, but from what I do know about metal (and I've worked with metal for many years) I think there would be no way you could repair that wheel and restore it so that it was "entirely safe and just as strong as if it had never been damaged". How could you possibly know?

Every time you deform metal you alter it's granular structure which weakens it. That wheel has been substantially deformed once already, straightening it will deform it again. Ask yourself; if that wheel were from a race car, would the race team repair it, or bin it?

Before someone says, "but racing wheels are much more stressed than road wheels", they aren't, road wheels are more stressed than race wheels due the nature of real world roads relative to smooth race tracks.

If you do get it repaired, at the very least you need to have it crack tested, even if it looks absolutely perfect. Personally I'd bin the wheel despite what anyone might say about it being repairable, I just wouldn't trust it.

Because I said the exact same thing you did, and someone with 30+ years expirence told me different.. I tend to beleive him ;)

[JohnL]

Because I said the exact same thing you did, and someone with 30+ years expirence told me different.. I tend to beleive him ;)
I woudn't 'disbelieve' what someone with "30+ years experience" told me, but I wouldn't nesessarily blindly believe them either. I'd keep in mind that 'someone' might want the work, and that I might not know that person well enough to have complete faith in them. Not that they may be dishonest in their opinion just to make some $, nor that they couldn't make the wheel look fine, just that they may or may not actually know how badly damaged the metal actually is.

You couldn't possibly tell without at least crack testing the wheel after it had been repaired, and even then you'd only know that it wasn't cracked, not whether it may or may not be more prone to cracking in the future...

The most I could possibly say in defense of repairing that wheel, is that at least it doesn't appear to be damaged in the most stressed part of the wheel, which is in the centre.

If it were a steel rim I'd be much less worried about repairing it, but it's not steel it's an aluminium alloy casting or forging, which is less forgiving than steel.

[Glitta]

I woudn't 'disbelieve' what someone with "30+ years experience" told me, but I wouldn't nesessarily blindly believe them either. I'd keep in mind that 'someone' might want the work, and that I might not know that person well enough to have complete faith in them. Not that they may be dishonest in their opinion just to make some $, nor that they couldn't make the wheel look fine, just that they may or may not actually know how badly damaged the metal actually is.

You couldn't possibly tell without at least crack testing the wheel after it had been repaired, and even then you'd only know that it wasn't cracked, not whether it may or may not be more prone to cracking in the future...

The most I could possibly say in defense of repairing that wheel, is that at least it doesn't appear to be damaged in the most stressed part of the wheel, which is in the centre.

If it were a steel rim I'd be much less worried about repairing it, but it's not steel it's an aluminium alloy casting or forging, which is less forgiving than steel.

lol Like I said i've been dealing with the guy for over 10 years.. he is certaintly not in need in money and is one of those rare business owners who will give you an honest opinion.. if it won't come up as good as new he won't fix it simple.. he's a family man he wouldn't want something to happen to someones son or daughter because he fixed a rim that should have been seeing the inside of a bin.

In our case the rim could be repaired I am saying to the guy with this rim take it to Gary to have a look he will let him know IF it can and should be repaired. I am trying to get across IF it can be done then Gary will be his man..

I trust him enough to put my kids in the cars that have the wheels he repaired on them.. he knows this so he's not going to fix something for a quick $ because the amount of time he puts into fixing things would well outweigh what he charges us.. he works now because he wants to not because he has to ;)

I think with that amount of expirence he could tell if the metal had been strucually compromised.. I don't know how the guy does what he does I just know that he's a magician with anything metal.. give him a call and ask him I am sure he would be happy to explain it to you..

[JohnL]

In our case the rim could be repaired I am saying to the guy with this rim take it to Gary to have a look he will let him know IF it can and should be repaired. I am trying to get across IF it can be done then Gary will be his man..

I'm not saying that no alloy wheel damage can be repaired safely, but there is a limit and to my semi-trained eye that wheel looks very likely to be beyond that limit.


I think with that amount of expirence he could tell if the metal had been strucually compromised..

I would think that if any part of the damaged area looks rough or wrinkled or something like orange peel on the metal surface that the metal is significantly damaged, i.e. more than just bent. In such a case I'd be very wary of bending it back into place as this will further damage the metal.

I have a small and very localised ding in the edge of one of my rims that looks like this (sort of 'rough' on the surface where the deformation is). Other than that the rim is fine, but it's been demoted to 'spare' duty, I don't trust it for more than that.

[krogoth]

john, i still think the thread starter should go visit this workshop

just to get their opinion at least....

[bpipe_]

any rim is repairable, just the $$ dosh

[Glitta]

I'm not saying that no alloy wheel damage can be repaired safely, but there is a limit and to my semi-trained eye that wheel looks very likely to be beyond that limit.



I would think that if any part of the damaged area looks rough or wrinkled or something like orange peel on the metal surface that the metal is significantly damaged, i.e. more than just bent. In such a case I'd be very wary of bending it back into place as this will further damage the metal.

I have a small and very localised ding in the edge of one of my rims that looks like this (sort of 'rough' on the surface where the deformation is). Other than that the rim is fine, but it's been demoted to 'spare' duty, I don't trust it for more than that.

I am no expert so I guess the only way to know for sure is for Gary to see it.. You should go past there in your spare time have a look at what he does you will see what I mean about him when you see his work..

I would love to know what he thinks so when/if the rim does get there let us know what he thinks.. but I wouldn't waste time taking it anywhere else.. and keep Garys number for anything in future he is handy to know :)