Rev Limiter at standstill

[PERTH_EURO]

Has anybody else noticed than when the Euro's are in neutral or clutch pressed in that there is a rev limiter at 4500.??????

It makes no difference whether or not vsa is on!

Makes high rev launches a little difficult!

[EuroAccord13]

It's a safety feature... New cars like the WRXs have them now..

The rev limiter is on when the car is stationary... you can remove it if you want but what's the point... :)


CHEERS
Nick

[yfin]

Yeah, even the Lancer Evo VIII has this - 0-100 on the Evo VIII from standstill is now 6.1 seconds due to the rev limit (see current motor mag). If you get the Evo (or the Euro) moving - even 1k/ph - the rev limit goes.

But like NIck said- no point in the Euro. Have you tried a launch at 4500? So much wheel hop and vibration your teeth will break..

3000rpm seems enough to break traction. Nick - what RPM do you find produces the best times? You have probably done more track testing than anyone in Melb with a Euro. :)

[h22a accord]

not surprising that they have a standstill rev limiter. I too noticed in MOTOR that the evo's have a limiter.

My h22a accord even has one set at 6500rpm when in neutral and when clutch is depressed and it makes no difference if the car is moving or not, it still has a rev limiter. So the only way i can rev it to 8000rpm is when its in gear unless the motor hasnt warmed up to normal operating temp as the 6500rpm limiter is there again. I guess honda didnt want me revving their engine to 800rpm when cold lol.....then again, neither would i want to.


as for revs when launching, i cant really launch above 2000rpm without stupid wheel spin. a good way is to get the car rolling then depress the clutch, feed some power and drop the clutch out again.


the other night it was a quiet straight damp road, i was doin 60 in 4th, i put the clutch in changed back to 2nd gave it lots of revs and dropped the clutch, both wheels spun and in an instant, the speedo went to 100kph lol.

[Archangel]

Just starting to find out what my Euro can do!
I find myself going 100km and having it feel like only 60-70. Gotta keep an eye on that speedo!

[EuroAccord13]

Try doing it at the speeds I do... All I can say is the car is VERY STABLE.....

[VirIIx]

i'll ahev to agree that the car holds in corners like no tomorrow in high speeds.. i've only just worked in the car a bit, 3000km, but i've adjusted to the car soi've been pushing it more and more. The potential is pretty high so far from what i can tell.

I also have to agree, i have noticed that when you are in neutral and stationary, the rev limiter is at 4500rpm. I was at the lights revving it wondering why it stopped so early, not bad tho ;)

Need a lighter flywheel for faster revs hehe ;)

[EuroAccord13]

i'll ahev to agree that the car holds in corners like no tomorrow in high


Sorry dude :) I choose to disagree, the Euro might be a well built all rounder car but there is just too much flex on the body at high speed cornering. I've prolly gave the Euro more workout than anyone in here and I can say it starts to float abeit lightly and it really needs better springs and a good set of sway and strut bars....

But that's based on my personal experience :)

CHEERS

[EuroSip]

Try doing it at the speeds I do... All I can say is the car is VERY STABLE.....

Must agree it's extremely stable going straights at high speeds....almost hit 200 on the M2 once...i heard there are cameras there...but it was like 3am so dunno...

anyway must agree on the fact that the car feels kinda funny when cornering at very hard speeds....

standstill rev limiter is shit...some p'plater was reving in his shit audi A4 at the lights trying to impress his gal and then i tried mine, didn't sounds as mad...although he did eat dust... serves him right for picking on fellow p'platers....

[yfin]

Sorry dude :) I choose to disagree, the Euro might be a well built all rounder car but there is just too much flex on the body at high speed cornering. I've prolly gave the Euro more workout than anyone in here and I can say it starts to float abeit lightly and it really needs better springs and a good set of sway and strut bars....

But that's based on my personal experience :)

CHEERS

I agree with you Nick - I think the stock 205 tyres contribute. Too narrow for such a large car. The ridiculous ride height also doesn't help body roll.

Any ideas yet on how to get a decent strut brace? Bloody yanks have so many aftermarket parts available - we have hardly any!!

[Kit]

Must agree it's extremely stable going straights at high speeds....almost hit 200 on the M2 once...i heard there are cameras there...but it was like 3am so dunno...

anyway must agree on the fact that the car feels kinda funny when cornering at very hard speeds....

standstill rev limiter is shit...some p'plater was reving in his shit audi A4 at the lights trying to impress his gal and then i tried mine, didn't sounds as mad...although he did eat dust... serves him right for picking on fellow p'platers....

pfft. p platers... bring on the curfew!
driving like that, you should be glad there are so many air bags in the euro.

do you guys even realise that revving out to high rpm in neutral is very bad for your car?

[EuroAccord13]

some p'plater was reving in his shit audi A4 at the lights trying to impress his gal and then i tried mine, didn't sounds as mad...although he did eat dust... serves him right for picking on fellow p'platers....

And what is a P plater like you doing 200ks on the road? :P

Anyway.. Safe Driving.. :D

From where I come from, the roads allows me to do in excess of 240km/h and I take it as an experience learning phrase to get a feel of the car at high speeds...

If you have to do crazy speeds.. please make sure there is no one in the car or on the road to take with you if anything happens and also responsibility towards anything that happens lies solely on you only...

SAFE DRVIING AGAIN :)

CHEERS
Nick

[Kit]

From where I come from, the roads allows me to do in excess of 240km/h and I take it as an experience learning phrase to get a feel of the car at high speeds...


dude, unless come from those speed testing domes, or the northern territory, i don't see how the road allows you to do in excess of 240km/h.

what is there to learn from driving the car at that speed anyway?

but at least you have a good attitude about it :thumbsup: (i.e. not doing it with anyone else in the car)

[euro77]

he came from out of australia, and so am i, where we can basically drive our cars as fast as we want (and as fast as the car can). I myself have driven up to 210 kph in my country.

[Kit]

he came from out of australia, and so am i, where we can basically drive our cars as fast as we want (and as fast as the car can). I myself have driven up to 210 kph in my country.

thats nice man.

I "can" drive to 200kph too, but you make it sound like its your "right" to drive to 200kph.

let me just remind you that your driver's license and your "right" to drive on the road, actually is a priviledge, not a "right".

Putting your signature on your license is actually you signing a contract agreeing to abide by road rules. by violating road rules you are subject to the law.

if you are going to do terminal speed runs and racing on public roads then you probably don't deserve the priviledge to hold a license.

I'm sure glad you are from Vic and not in Syd, cos I'd hate to be wiped out by you when you are zooming past me at 210kph.
(and just a couple of weeks ago, I VERY NEARLY DID get wiped out by street racers going at 200+kph)

really, i don't see what point going up to terminal speed proves.... and besides, if you really wanted to test it, your in victoria, Lang Lang really isn't that far from you, do it there, its much safer, for both yourself and everyone else on the road.

p.s. do you know what kind of stresses the engine gets subjected to on a terminal speed run?

[euro77]

thats nice man.

I "can" drive to 200kph too, but you make it sound like its your "right" to drive to 200kph.

let me just remind you that your driver's license and your "right" to drive on the road, actually is a priviledge, not a "right".

Putting your signature on your license is actually you signing a contract agreeing to abide by road rules. by violating road rules you are subject to the law.

if you are going to do terminal speed runs and racing on public roads then you probably don't deserve the priviledge to hold a license.

I'm sure glad you are from Vic and not in Syd, cos I'd hate to be wiped out by you when you are zooming past me at 210kph.
(and just a couple of weeks ago, I VERY NEARLY DID get wiped out by street racers going at 200+kph)

really, i don't see what point going up to terminal speed proves.... and besides, if you really wanted to test it, your in victoria, Lang Lang really isn't that far from you, do it there, its much safer, for both yourself and everyone else on the road.

p.s. do you know what kind of stresses the engine gets subjected to on a terminal speed run?

Hey man, don't get me wrong, I never say i drive that fast in Australia. Only back in my country of origin where there's no speed limit and everyone is doing the same thing (i.e. go as fast as they can), and if you don't go along with the speed, you'll get whacked by an inexperience driver from behind, which of course you wouldn't want it to happen, especially if the person that hits you is some bloody politicians/gov't people son/daughter that has power to silence you and you ending up with your car broken, no money to replace/fix it, and if you are lucky, to be alive and left unharmed by the people who has that power (that is if you are lucky enough to get out of the accident). You will know what I'm talking about if you've ever driven in a tollway and country road in my country of origin.

And I know my capability as a driver and my car's capability, I would never push the car to its speed limit just because for the heck of it. I'm not a racer, but I can control my car at high speed. And the car I drove that time very easily reach 210kph.

Read carefully before posting next time.

[PERTH_EURO]

do you guys even realise that revving out to high rpm in neutral is very bad for your car?

why is that so??

[PERTH_EURO]

And I know my capability as a driver and my car's capability, I would never push the car to its speed limit just because for the heck of it. I'm not a racer, but I can control my car at high speed. And the car I drove that time very easily reach 210kph.



I would question anyones abilty to control a car at over 200km if anything went wrong

[Kit]

Hey man, don't get me wrong, I never say i drive that fast in Australia. Only back in my country of origin where there's no speed limit and everyone is doing the same thing
yeah well thats fine, I am not commenting about european Autobahns where it is legal to drive that fast. I am talking about local roads in Australia where people are doing speeds over double the speed limit.


Read carefully before posting next time.
Thats good man, I'll quote your post below so perhaps you can decide if i didn't read carefully or you didn't type properly.


he came from out of australia, and so am i
so you're saying you're from Australia


where we can basically drive our cars as fast as we want (and as fast as the car can).
So now you're saying in Australia you can drive as fast as you can, and as fast as the car can go.


I myself have driven up to 210 kph in my country.
So you have driven up to 210kph in your country, but just earlier you said that you were from Australia. So you're saying that you drove 210kph in Australia.

[Kit]

why is that so??

Well the reason is, engines are designed to make power, and in a nutshell, the higher it revs, the more power it makes.

So if you are revving the nuts off your engine in neutral, it is actually making power (but being regulated by your right foot), but cos you are in neutral, that power has no where to go (that is, its not being transferred to your wheels).

[EuroAccord13]

Ok guys, lets not let this get too far..

I am in Australia but not from Australia, so is Euro77.

As for the ridiculous speeds I do back home, it's done on a tollway where certain parts are 3 lanes wide and it's normal for everyone to speed. The roads there are fairly straight throughout the 600kms from tip to tip.

Kit, I do not disagree with you at all on what you said, yes it is stupid and totally out of line. But I take responsibility for what I do and I understand the consequences if (touchwood) anything happens.

This post got off topic because of me just trying to let everyone know how stable the car is that's I.. NOTHING ELSE Nor was it about showing off top speeds...

CHEERS
Nick

Now, if the next reply to this post isn't about the rev limiter in the Euro, I suggest that we stop posting or have this locked.....

[euro77]

Quote:
Originally Posted by euro77
he came from out of australia, and so am i

so you're saying you're from Australia


Don't you understand english at all man?
He came from out of australia = he is not from Australia = he is from other country outside of Australia

and so am i = i am also like him, not from Australia = I am from other country outside of Australia

Geez... might as well just lock this thread and start a new one about rev limiter if it is still necessary and if you don't understand english don't post.

[EuroSip]

And what is a P plater like you doing 200ks on the road? :P

Anyway.. Safe Driving.. :D

From where I come from, the roads allows me to do in excess of 240km/h and I take it as an experience learning phrase to get a feel of the car at high speeds...

If you have to do crazy speeds.. please make sure there is no one in the car or on the road to take with you if anything happens and also responsibility towards anything that happens lies solely on you only...

SAFE DRVIING AGAIN :)

CHEERS
Nick

Yeah! Of course i don't do that like everyday...and i NEVER drive fast when there's someone in the car, I can't bear the responsibility of hurting someone...but yes...i do love driving...even had my CAMS thing done...

Must admit though...the roads in australia are crap...seriously crap quality

[wynode]

Anyways.............

I had the liberty of taking a 6MT accord Euro for a spin and I must say that for a luxory car everything they say is true. It has a nice mix of handling without sacrificing ride quality.
There isn't excessive body roll at medium cornering speeds but push it a bit harder and I can see body roll being an issue.

You have to remember that it wasn't made an all out sports car, but a good comprimise was made between sports like handling and comfort.

That said, some stiffer springs and a bigger rear sway bar can help you at high speed cornering. This I noticed after jumping back into my civic with upsized front/rear swaybars.

But for what it is, the Euro has a nice balance.

[Kit]

Don't you understand english at all man?


Obviously not as well as I thought I did! :rolleyes:
alright, my mistake, I was sick and had a massive headache, so I wasn't reading it properly. :o

you make it as if your country is a big secret, if you just said "back in <insert your country here>" I wouldn't of misread it :D

[EuroAccord13]

Nick - what RPM do you find produces the best times? You have probably done more track testing than anyone in Melb with a Euro. :)

Well, most of the time, I don't even rev the car during take off, I start from idle.. I do at times take off at 2000RPM and I feel that that is good enough for me without wheel spin or bogging into second gear...

With my latest time of 7.02 now, I reckon I can shave abit more if the correct clutch play and even more with better tyres... better still.. new headers :P

[euro77]

try with lighter rims nick, you'll shave off some weight and therefore should be faster, at least 0.02 second faster :thumbsup:

do you have any plans to change the engine internals?
I also heard lighter flywheels will make the car go faster

[EuroAccord13]

try with lighter rims nick, you'll shave off some weight and therefore should be faster, at least 0.02 second faster :thumbsup:

do you have any plans to change the engine internals?
I also heard lighter flywheels will make the car go faster

Wheels to shave 0.02 seconds is not bang for my buck... I am keeping my sleeper looks.. Better tyres, yes.... but wheels is a no no for me..

Yes flywheel does make the car rev faster thus shave more time, still looking for the part though... I'll let you know what happens..

As for the internals like cams, there is no point changing it now as it's a variable camshaft with it's so called 3 stage, meaning I have 3 cam profiles.. I might look at lighter pulleys or better still, change my radiator cap to a 1.3 bar one since the car is still new (Not recommended for older cars as the hoses won't be able to take the pressure)

CHEERS
Nick

[Type R Positive]

I live in a mining town in WA, Which means lots of highway, and very little cops. WA has the best roads by far! QLD would be the absolute worst.

My car is still new (1100kms) so I try not to push it.

The other night I went 220km/h in 5th. I wussed out and didn't change into 6th. I will have to try during the day. We get sheep on the road here and they would hurt. I think 260km/h would be no problem, just need straight road. There is definately no shortage of that here!

I was suprised at how easy it got there. I think the only problem is the suspension is too high which makes it tend to float at those speeds. It would definately benefit from some chassis stiffening as well.

In saying this, the car is sweet and i like it just the way it is. (It won't stay that way for long though!)

[PERTH_EURO]

Which mining town??

Im in mining too
FIFO tho

[Type R Positive]

I'm stuck in Port Hedland. My bro is FIFO Perth - Leinster though. I'm planning a trip down to Perth before christmas, but it is 15 hrs away. No biggie. I'm on a great roster. 3D 2N 5OFF, 2D 2N 5OFF, 2D 3N 4OFF. All for $100K+

I'm probably going to get D2 coilovers from evolution R but have done stuff all about it yet. I want springs but I want it done properly. It will cost about $1500 more, but hey, what's money? The missus want's a bodykit, but that can wait till after suspension and mags.

Might have to catch up?