eg vti or eg si

[filip5]

hi i've lookin at eg civics and i cant make up my mind between the si or vti which one would be better

[juns]

eg si ftw.

[spacepants_fb]

I actually went through the same dilemma about a month ago. I've owned both cars and performance wise are very similar, stock for stock. The only reason why I went for the vti was because of the sunroof. Having said that, all the other options are the same so I guess a big deciding factor would be both price and condition. As an added note, having had a b series ek, do not expect to get the same kick or noise from a single cam vtec lest you be disappointed.

[teaseR]

yep si for me too

[matchuk]

going thru the dilemma atm

doesnt the si have the sunroof?

the thing in my mind is si is alot better HOWEVER no vtec, :( best thing about hondas

[spacepants_fb]

si egs didn't come with a sunroof unfortunatley :thumbdwn:

[teaseR]

sohc vtec is gutless though

[phwoaaa]

iv never driven a eg vti.. but i own a eg si?

i gotta admit i do want a sunroof though =(

[Sexc86]

VTI is far superior and has much much more potential then an SI. First of all sun roof.... Cup holders... Rear sway bar... Rear Discs (think the SI have them too).

The VTI will perform much better with a turbo setup. Much better aftermarket support. Even SOHC vtec YO sounds better then "Vtec NO".
More useable power over the whole rev range.

[matchuk]

ignoring the sunroof and cup holder :P how does the two engine compare without investing much into after market? DOHC or just SOHC Vtec is stronger?

[spacepants_fb]

Having driven both cars, and both being stock, I cannot pick up a performance difference between the two. And also, from memory, there was a past thread comparing the 2 model's power figures and they were both rated the same. So like I said, if you're not fussed by not having a sunroof and find a mint si, by all means go for it and buy it. However, if you plan to mod the exisitng engine in the car that you buy, vti's have greater aftermarket support than si's. Something to think about as well is, if you decide to go down the engine conversion track, si's are usually cheaper than vti's so an si would be the choice in this instance. Just ask yourself what it is that you eventually want to do with the car, bearing in mind that different paths and different goals will influence your final choice.

[EG5]

my old Si powered EG hatch ran 15.1sec @ WSID with DOT street tyres.
mods : i/h/e , heavy duty clutch + lighten flywheel , unichip LOL.

Havent really muck around with VTi yet

[egSi]

the si has everything the vti does minus the sunroof. this includes rear disc brakes and cup holders.

the sunroof does add weight dont forget.

both motors have potential. it really will come down to what u have planned for the car.

add some nice bolt ons and tune, they both will yield good results imo. just dont get a gli or breeze lol ;)

[matchuk]

if its similar stock performance im gonna sack the si and search for a vti than

vtec and sun roof no way im missing out on if no significant power difference or feel

[teaseR]

u wouldnt be able to feel the vtec kick for the vti

[DreadAngel]

Generally VTi in better condition than Si being later model so dish out a little bit more for the VTi ;)

Nothing worse than getting an older car in worse condition =|

[matchuk]

mmm dont understand this sorry if this has been answered before but if the D18A8 is identical or similar performance to the Sohc vtec D16y6 i think its called, why does everyone say the Si would kill the vti,

essentially doenst DOHC and VTEC generate extra power with similar style where in the vtec side the extra cam allows more intake after a certain rev range and the dohc has 2 cams on each cylinder?

[DreadAngel]

They say that cause the VTi is heavier, minus the sunroof on the VTi and should be even or VTi's favour generally cause of better condition.

Don't you mean the D16A8 vs D16Y1? =|

[sik-vic]

The D16a8 is a top engine still, being twin cam you get a great power range from mid to high rpm, however more aftermarket support for the VTEC yO, depends on what you plan for the beast

[bennjamin]

hmm. Had both over the years.

Si = a faster car full stop. Lighter and engine has more oomph.

Vti = heavier and gutless engine.

But both cars are fine daily drivers. Just do not compare them for "modding the engine" because you simply cant. No point. Just chuck in a B or K series which is the thing to do.

[Benson]

hmm. Had both over the years.

Si = a faster car full stop. Lighter and engine has more oomph.

Vti = heavier and gutless engine.

:thumbsup:

[AsH_]

im starting to like sunroofs on EGs... my Eg doesnt have sunroof...

i'd like one...

[matchuk]

so the only thing si doenst have is sunroof,

central locking and power windows come in the si??

im prob going to go with the si since this si for sale is black stock and not too high K's

finding a stock Vti pretty impossible in syd

[bennjamin]

Si has power windows/ central locking too.

[90LAN]

add 50kgs for the sunroof
i like the si better DOHC
both will be good cars thou

[AsH_]

add 50kgs for the sunroof
i like the si better DOHC
both will be good cars thou

that's a lot of weight...

[55EXX]

VTI is far superior and has much much more potential then an SI. First of all sun roof.... Cup holders... Rear sway bar... Rear Discs (think the SI have them too).


all wrong it has that all. the si performance wise is a better car. SI is Sport VTi is luxury. the vti was created to service the nanna market with the sohc vtec engine providing power with better fuel economy. the sunroof being heavy and at the highest point of the car is definately not performance orientated hence later on the type r's don't have them too. but had all the luxury extras and perfomance goodies bar the motor being different.

the si on the other hand has the front and rear sway bars all wheel discs aswell but the dohc d16a provided a meater torque curve throughout the rev range which does take more fuel (i get bout 12.5k's a litre with my lead foot still great). whereas the sohc vtec aim was the save fuel by having short duration lift intake low revs then longer at higher rev with no vtec control over the exhaust lift to save fuel cos this was only activated at higher revs not during normal nana driving. this technology wowed nannas into buying them. i would assume some of the reason why there are so many more cleaner vti's is due to those nannas looking after them.


The VTI will perform much better with a turbo setup. Much better aftermarket support. Even SOHC vtec YO sounds better then "Vtec NO".
More useable power over the whole rev range.

i know you love turbo d's but i would personally do an engine swap. to get good reliable power out of d's you'll need stronger internals etc to handle the boost. to buy that + turbo setup you'd spend more than needed for a engine swap. unless you wanted big unreliable power?


Even SOHC vtec YO sounds better then "Vtec NO".
who cares at the end of the day when the dohc performance wise is a better engine. turbo SOHC vtec sounding better doesn't bother me. rather hear jdm b16b... or spoon b16 with 11,000 rev limit. turbo sohc vtec vs. spoon b16 with 11,000 rpm limit? what would you guys pick?


hmm. Had both over the years.

Si = a faster car full stop. Lighter and engine has more oomph.

Vti = heavier and gutless engine.

But both cars are fine daily drivers. Just do not compare them for "modding the engine" because you simply cant. No point. Just chuck in a B or K series which is the thing to do.

couldn't agree more.

with all aside its the same car once you start modding you'll make it into what you want. yes my eg is a si with rear sway that i'll be upgrading to a 22mm item, brakes disc's i'll be swapping for slotted and cross drilled items, d16a i'll when money provides swapping for a b16a, so i could do this to a gli and it'd be a pretty same car. it's not like it comparing a ek9 to a ek1. the difference if not worth losing sleep about.... or a few thousand dollars...

[filip5]

mate that spoon b16 sounds awesome just how much do they cost and where can i get one coz i dont know any engine importers

[phwoaaa]

theres a few traders that sell them here??

or even in the for sales thread they sell them... not sure about spoon tuned though =)

im glad i have a si now.. though i still want a sunroof kinda .. ahahaha

[EG5[KRT]]

vti is easier when it comes to b series conversions :D

[55EXX]

why?

here's a spoon vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyBZQ8rJO1w)

[DreadAngel]

the si on the other hand has the front and rear sway bars all wheel discs as well

Good work mate, VTi also has Front and Rear sways with disc all round too :thumbsup:

How do I know? I had one...

And finding a Spoon B16A with the Bladed Block is difficult and expensive so keep dreaming about 11,000rpm =|

[55EXX]

the si on the other hand has the front and rear sway bars all wheel discs as well

it shares the same chassis code. eg5. how do i know? i had one...

anyway if you can pick up either i'd take it. the difference is the sunroof chassis wise and dohc non vtec or sohc vtec engine wise which both make about mid 90 kw factory at the flywheel.

[EG5[KRT]]

why?

[/URL]

because its a bolt in affair since it already has vtec harness :D

[55EXX]

really never knew

[90LAN]

;1556602']vti is easier when it comes to b series conversions :D

u can use the eg si loom to to do vtec conversions too

[Lukezen27]

That was a good read but in the end I LOVE my sun roof..

I have it open all day every day its not raining...

As for whoever said you can't get good power out of a boosted D16 VTEC bah..

I'm at the 120 - 130 ATW and that's enough for a fun drive IMO

Anyway you can boost both but the SOHC VTEC has so many after market parts for them its not funny... Just search for D16Z6 and see just how much you there is...

But really I got my version for the sun roof nothing ells :):):):):):):):)

[filip5]

i got three cars I'm thinking to choose from coz i need a car since some idiot smashed in to the back off my civic and wrote it off was gonna kill the guy nut anyway the choice is down to eg civic vti sedan, eg civic coupe only thing its auto so thats a bit of a turn of and the last one a 1996 crx let me know on what you guys think

MISSING MY CIVIC SO BAD

[Lukezen27]

i got three cars I'm thinking to choose from coz i need a car since some idiot smashed in to the back off my civic and wrote it off was gonna kill the guy nut anyway the choice is down to eg civic vti sedan, eg civic coupe only thing its auto so thats a bit of a turn of and the last on a 1996 crx let me know on what you guys think

MISSING MY CIVIC SO BAD

That ****ing

My car got written off last year and a brought it back and fixed it at profit of $3000 :)

That how I was able to afford my turbo kit :thumbsup:

[bennjamin]

a bad way to make money for parts is get get crashed into while driving a uninsured car. Then get paid out and keep teh car and sell it. easy $2-3k but possible death lol.

btw vti is cool with sunroof

[filip5]

vti is cool 4dr sedan i know but what about the eg civic coupe they are so rare which one of those three should i choose
decisions lol

[teh_mechanic]

get a twin carb like i did...arghhhh that was a bad idea.

filip5,obviously if you are looking at sedans and coupe you arnt exactly hell bent on performance and your more in it for the cruising,so if i was you i would wait it out to try and find a coupe,or else you could end up wishing you waited

and for the thread starter.id go the si,but everyone is different.like has been said,si was sport version,vti was luxury version.take your pick,case solved

[filip5]

get a twin carb like i did...arghhhh that was a bad idea.

filip5,obviously if you are looking at sedans and coupe you arnt exactly hell bent on performance and your more in it for the cruising,so if i was you i would wait it out to try and find a coupe,or else you could end up wishing you waited

and for the thread starter.id go the si,but everyone is different.like has been said,si was sport version,vti was luxury version.take your pick,case solved

mate i already found a coupe eg going to see it tomorrow just as i said before the only thing is that it is an auto as for the performance it will come in time i gotta get a car now first since my civic got bent by an idiot

[teh_mechanic]

i prefer the coupe,id try and find a manual though.more options to modify later,better performance and more of a drivers car.but everybody is different.hopefully for you the coupe tomorrow is in top notch condition

[aramiK]

I prefer VTI over it to be honest.

[filip5]

i prefer the coupe,id try and find a manual though.more options to modify later,better performance and more of a drivers car.but everybody is different.hopefully for you the coupe tomorrow is in top notch condition

i prefer the coupe and i like manual much better the thing is that eg coupes are extremely hard to find thats why I'm looking at this one even though it is auto if you have any advice on where i can get one it would really help

[riruiz_88]

i got three cars I'm thinking to choose from coz i need a car since some idiot smashed in to the back off my civic and wrote it off was gonna kill the guy nut anyway the choice is down to eg civic vti sedan, eg civic coupe only thing its auto so thats a bit of a turn of and the last one a 1996 crx let me know on what you guys think

MISSING MY CIVIC SO BAD

im quite sure Vti's didnt come as sedans. the Si's came as a sedan but are called EH instead of EG.

[55EXX]

no the vti came as a sedans. there are to many on the market. go the auto coupe man just for the fact it is a coupe. a engine conversion would fix 2 problems the auto problem and want more power problem.

[Limbo]

EK VTIR FTW!

PS i've seen the SI & VTI run, the SI certainly had better power. Both had minor mods (cat back exhausts and replacement filters)

Haven't seen any boosted SIs but if it is good NA its should be pretty good Boosted!

[55EXX]

that coupe with b16a2 from ek vtir ftw

[EK1.6LCIV]

I vote vti, heaps more of them to choose from and excellent all rounders.

[riruiz_88]

no the vti came as a sedans. there are to many on the market. go the auto coupe man just for the fact it is a coupe. a engine conversion would fix 2 problems the auto problem and want more power problem.

say wat:eek:. i didnt know what, i never seen one. oh and another difference is the Vti came with SRS and the Si didnt. saves an extra couple a kilos :thumbsup:

[blabla]

hi i've lookin at eg civics and i cant make up my mind between the si or vti which one would be better

hey dude i have a 1996 vti ej8 coupe, no sun roof, front disc vtir rear drums abs, passanger and drivers side air bag central locking engin immobiliser soch vtec d16y8 shit on fuel only got 200-300kms out of a tank now its got b16a2 in it 500km out of a tank with mods headers, cai, ecu type r clutch and fly.

[55EXX]

i get 500+ everytime out of a tank in my d16a

sedan vti (http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/HONDA/CIVIC/details.aspx?__Ntk=CarAll&__D=vti&__Dx=mode+matchany&State=All%20States&Cr=13&state_id=0&keywords=vti&R=5447926&__N=4294965322+0+834+285+257+4294965250&distance=25&__Ns=pCar_PrivateSpecialFlag_Int32|1||pCar_ImageCo unt_Int32|1||pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&__Ntt=vti&trecs=125&__Nne=20&__Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&silo=1003&__sid=1134037040C0&Model=CIVIC&seot=0&Make=HONDA)
sedan vti (http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/HONDA/CIVIC/details.aspx?__Ntk=CarAll&__D=vti&__Dx=mode+matchany&State=All%20States&Cr=16&state_id=0&keywords=vti&R=5387571&__N=4294965322+0+834+285+257+4294965250&distance=25&__Ns=pCar_PrivateSpecialFlag_Int32|1||pCar_ImageCo unt_Int32|1||pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&__Ntt=vti&trecs=125&__Nne=20&__Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&silo=1003&__sid=1134037040C0&Model=CIVIC&seot=0&Make=HONDA)
sedan vti (http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/HONDA/CIVIC/details.aspx?__Ntk=CarAll&__D=vti&__Dx=mode+matchany&State=All%20States&Cr=19&state_id=0&keywords=vti&R=5428025&__N=4294965322+0+834+285+257+4294965250&distance=25&__Ns=pCar_PrivateSpecialFlag_Int32|1||pCar_ImageCo unt_Int32|1||pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&__Ntt=vti&trecs=125&__Nne=20&__Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&silo=1003&__sid=1134037040C0&Model=CIVIC&seot=0&Make=HONDA)

mate do a carsales search of honda civic vti and you'll see tons of them!

Si was never made a for the performance built chassis sedan

[blabla]

coupe are the hottest

[riruiz_88]

i get 500+ everytime out of a tank in my d16a

sedan vti (http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/HONDA/CIVIC/details.aspx?__Ntk=CarAll&__D=vti&__Dx=mode+matchany&State=All%20States&Cr=13&state_id=0&keywords=vti&R=5447926&__N=4294965322+0+834+285+257+4294965250&distance=25&__Ns=pCar_PrivateSpecialFlag_Int32|1||pCar_ImageCo unt_Int32|1||pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&__Ntt=vti&trecs=125&__Nne=20&__Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&silo=1003&__sid=1134037040C0&Model=CIVIC&seot=0&Make=HONDA)
sedan vti (http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/HONDA/CIVIC/details.aspx?__Ntk=CarAll&__D=vti&__Dx=mode+matchany&State=All%20States&Cr=16&state_id=0&keywords=vti&R=5387571&__N=4294965322+0+834+285+257+4294965250&distance=25&__Ns=pCar_PrivateSpecialFlag_Int32|1||pCar_ImageCo unt_Int32|1||pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&__Ntt=vti&trecs=125&__Nne=20&__Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&silo=1003&__sid=1134037040C0&Model=CIVIC&seot=0&Make=HONDA)
sedan vti (http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/HONDA/CIVIC/details.aspx?__Ntk=CarAll&__D=vti&__Dx=mode+matchany&State=All%20States&Cr=19&state_id=0&keywords=vti&R=5428025&__N=4294965322+0+834+285+257+4294965250&distance=25&__Ns=pCar_PrivateSpecialFlag_Int32|1||pCar_ImageCo unt_Int32|1||pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&__Ntt=vti&trecs=125&__Nne=20&__Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&silo=1003&__sid=1134037040C0&Model=CIVIC&seot=0&Make=HONDA)

mate do a carsales search of honda civic vti and you'll see tons of them!

Si was never made a for the performance built chassis sedan

how do u get 500+km out of urs? i have the same engine and i gotta try just to get over 410. my best so far has been 430, did it today. the links u posted are the first time i have seen a Vti sedan, and i reckon i would go the Vti over the Si if i were to get a sedan.

[rayb3na_]

err sohc has alot better fuel consumption then the dohc imo.. i got 400+ fanging every now and then my mate in his em1 get 300ish? both car are stock just sri thats it!

[kn1ghtm4r3]

serious man?

im dohc vtac ek4 with fujitusbo power getter injen cai and im getting 510 fanging it as well lol

wen i fill up theres about 5L left though lol

[55EXX]

yeah 500+ k's easy! 45L tank but 500ks only uses bout 40L and i get heaps more easy highway driving!

[~Sp33~]

mmm dont understand this sorry if this has been answered before but if the D18A8 is identical or similar performance to the Sohc vtec D16y6 i think its called, why does everyone say the Si would kill the vti,

essentially doenst DOHC and VTEC generate extra power with similar style where in the vtec side the extra cam allows more intake after a certain rev range and the dohc has 2 cams on each cylinder?

2 cam's on each cylinder??? That would make 8 cams.

[filip5]

http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/HONDA/CIVIC/details.aspx?Cr=11&State=Victoria&R=5451015&state_id=82&PriceMax=10000&__No=40&__N=4294965322%2082%20834%20285%20257%20408%204294 965250&distance=25&__Ns=pCar_Price_Decimal%7C1%7C%7CpCar_PrivateSpeci alFlag_Int32%7C1%7C%7CpCar_ImageCount_Int32%7C1&trecs=118&__Nne=20&seot=0&silo=1003&__sid=117B1E864692&Model=CIVIC&sort_type=3&Make=HONDA

there is a link to real nice civic guys check it out

[riruiz_88]

yeah 500+ k's easy! 45L tank but 500ks only uses bout 40L and i get heaps more easy highway driving!

have you upgraded your ignition or fuel system in any way? cause thats a big difference between our engines

[CivicSi]

Go with the Si

[phwoaaa]

ahhh i see that civic now and then on the roads IFROGI

go with si... twin cam =D

i only get like 400kms outta my si =(

[55EXX]

i got 587k's from a tank normal driving last week. no mods only k&n panel filter and cannon. its in good service uses 10w-40 full synthetic oil gear box has new oil and tube of nulon g70 added thats it. plus its full trim and stacks of sound deadening added plus stereo(see my sig).

[hayashi_1986]

The D16y1 is a good motor. But if I had a choice between the DOHC and SOHC Vtec again...I'd choose the twincam. Better power and low down power. Try stomping the SOHC n' you'll get nothing till 5.4k rpm. Feels like that in my light breeze chassis too.