Survey- Euro Vtec experience

[Merlin086]

Just curious to get numbers on how many euro drivers here have not experienced Vtec?


I am curious following a statement from Jtune....


Quote:-

"from our research the majority of Honda Accord Euro owners hardly rev their car above 6000 rpm therefore never experience VTEC."



I believe the majority of people who would be interested in improving the performance of their euro would have experienced Vtec.

Personally hitting Vtec has been a almost daily occurrence as I frequently merge onto 100k zone highways......:thumbsup:

[Darkii_]

I think they were surveying the wrong group of people. As you said the majority of people who are interested in improving the performance of their euro would have experienced vtec before.

I vtec about once a day for the same reason as you =) I'm a responsible driver and stay within the speed limit, so really i've only experienced vtec in 2nd gear =)

[tron07]

Correct.... most of the normal drivers who dont care about performance wouldnt bother about vtec or rev it hard...

I love to vtec but I dont really like performance mods... well maybe turbo or supercharging, but that is too expensive already. And for that price I need to pay and I cant drive fast on the roads, its just not worth paying for it... :(

[Exar Kun]

I've hit vtec maybe 5 or 6 times since I've owned my car (just over a month). I don't drive it far to work so wouldn't dare doing those sorts of revs with an engine that isn't properly warmed up - not to mention that there is nothing but 60 zones between me and work anyway.

[tmy]

Euros hit VTEC at 6000rpm, Thats a bit high isnt it?
or is this normal for later model cars?

[enkay]

hm i hit vtec daily =D
but onli go all balls out when i go to the track.

[Pumped]

OMG I LUV VTEC YA

lol,
im guessing alot of people that own euros havent hit it, i see lots of women driving euros, family car.


That being said, i have and always will hit vtec for shiz

[Pumped]

Euros hit VTEC at 6000rpm, Thats a bit high isnt it?
or is this normal for later model cars?


Its Progressive, full blown wheels spinning, car pulling across lanes, smoke coming off the tyres style vtec doesnt kick in til 6g, lolz

[as001]

on a daily basis

[aaronng]

Unfortunately with my daily commute to work, I have to admit that I don't get the opportunity to exceed 6000rpm without breaking the speed limit. :(
I used to be able to do VTEC once a day because of a nice onramp onto a freeway. Now, I hit the onramp as soon as I get out of the garage, so the engine is still cold. No VTEC for the engine then.

[N3M3SIS]

pretty much everytime i drive the car it hits the 7,000RPM mark,
usually only in First gear, but since i get onto a few HWY's to get home from work i usually just get it in 2'nd, and i can still count on one hand how many times i've hit vtec in 3'rd, which by the way was scary as hell!

since mines a auto, vtec comes in
1'st = 60km's
2'nd = 100km's
3'rd = 140km's

[cupnoodle]

I hit VTEC about once or twice a week (having owned my car since December). I'd love to VTEC more often, but can't justify doing it at the current price of petrol; and the paranoia that surrounds the potential for more vehicle wear and tear.

[IVTECS4]

I hit VTEC on some occasions - ie on the freeway when it is clear and really ram it into 6000 RPM ... the sound it makes while in VTEC is gold ! :D

Since my car is automatic, i always use the "Manual" mode to rev the car up in overtaking etc... the last time the car went VTEC was on the last cruise - the Sunday february 17th more than 3 times (VTEC)

[aaronng]

Be careful not to post up too much info guys & gals. Cops do scan the forums.

[nEUROleptic]

i dont drive my car daily but i try to get at least one "vtec moment" in every time i do go for a drive (first and second gears only though).

they obviously surveyed the wrong majority of ppl then from the response in this thread

[Chris_F]

I am quite familiar with the vtec experience

[Merlin086]

Hmm.....
So far it appears the surveyed may have been conductd at the local Bowls Club...lol

Good to have a "public" survey.

Keep em comin'.........

[hooyn]

I am proud to say that I am an experienced user of v-tec. When i first tried it it was just on a once in a while basis, however, I am now a daily user.

[glengowan]

I always v-tec to and from the bowls club vroooooomm

[Merlin086]

^^^^^^
Haha....gotta pay that one........:thumbsup:

[cutchorama]

I hit Vtec once, I haven't worn pants since.

[aaronng]

I hit Vtec once, I haven't worn pants since.

So who wears the pants in your house? :p

[tony1234]

I'm sure everyone here has hit vtec!!Myself,only 2-3 times a week.

[honki3rider]

i've hit the limiter twice already..accidentally. :o
didnt know that the engine won't go past the start of redline (7K rpm)

[Penguin King]

Always running out of room for it. Freeway what freeway! Speed restricted BS! :mad:
I don't run a euro btw.

[Pumped]

I am quite familiar with the vtec experience

LOL :D

[TRaNz]

i hit vteckky, on my lolautoEuro 4-5 each day.......and no i dont exceed speed limit, coz its 80kmh :)

[hooyn]

:p wonder how far you would have gone into the redline if there wasnt a limiter :cool:


i've hit the limiter twice already..accidentally. :o
didnt know that the engine won't go past the start of redline (7K rpm)

[TRaNz]

:p wonder how far you would have gone into the redline if there wasnt a limiter :cool:

Until the car starts making non-awesome-vtec-sounds. LOL

[kitbkk]

what is vtec?lol
nah i do it at least once a drive lol.

[aaronng]

VTEC is for fuel economy....... ;)

[BiLL|z0r]

I hit it (vtec that is) prolly 3-4 times a week, mainly when merging.
I've hit the limiter heaps of times accidently as vtec comes and goes quicker than a 16yo virgin.

[johnprocter]

i hit that shit atleast 4-5 times a week and love everymoment of it :D

[xiang]

vtec all da timmmmmmmmmmme

[EuroAccord13]

Just to re-inforce Aaron's point about cops browsing the forums....

Please just answer to the point;

Have you Experience VTEC in your Euro?

YES or NO......

[honki3rider]

I hit it (vtec that is) prolly 3-4 times a week, mainly when merging.
I've hit the limiter heaps of times accidently as vtec comes and goes quicker than a 16yo virgin.
+1 exactly my point :p

[johnprocter]

lol what is hitting vtec illegal? whats that got to do with cops being on the forum :S ?

[80057]

i have experienced vtec many times in my gen 3 crx, since it was hard to get power climbing hills at 3-4k revs, and its sounded good, only 2 and rarely 3rd.

in the euro i've had for 14 months maybe 10 times, as its auto very rarely need to plant it till vtec hits

[zenith]

love my vtec. cars start pulling away until i hit 6000... theirs start slowing down acceleration and mine starts speeding up... its truly beautiful.

[EUR003act]

hehehe i like to get my daily vtec.... normally once about half way through my journey to work, when the engine is warm and the air is cold :p

as for people hitting vtec, the majority of euro owners probably have never or very rarely use vtec (probably every euor owner thats not on this forum, ie: all the mums, grandparents, etc), BUT id say that every single person that is looking at the jtune package wouldve hit vtec, if not reguarly...

my two cents :D

[Uzzi]

I thought 'Vtec' is a marketing term for Honda

[EUR003act]

I thought 'Vtec' is a marketing term for Honda

vtec is the mechanical changing of camshaft profiles...

[Tobster]

vtec is the mechanical changing of camshaft profiles...

Actually it's more than that (although that's what people tend to refer to it as). By Honda's own definition, VTEC (or iVTEC in the Euro's case) stands for "Variable valve Timing and lift, Electronic Control" -- which makes it more than just the changing of the camshaft profiles. To be truly accurate, it's fair to say that "VTEC" happens in every part of the rev range.

I tend to only hit the "change" when I'm out for a drive on back roads where the car tends to spend most of its time in second gear, going corner to corner (gets a little weird when you're running for a while around the change over point -- it jumps on and off!).

I occasionally hit it (once a month?) just driving around the place (within speed limits) for the joy of it and to just free up the engine and blast out the cobwebs...

[Pumped]

I see this vtec guy daily

[aaronng]

Actually it's more than that (although that's what people tend to refer to it as). By Honda's own definition, VTEC (or iVTEC in the Euro's case) stands for "Variable valve Timing and lift, Electronic Control" -- which makes it more than just the changing of the camshaft profiles. To be truly accurate, it's fair to say that "VTEC" happens in every part of the rev range.

The VTEC part is a step change. So it is a fixed RPM for engagement and another for disengagement, unlike Ferrari's continuously variable lift and timing throughout the RPM range. Only the VTC part happens throughout the RPM range and is also dependent on load and throttle.

Anyway, it doesn't make Honda the cutting edge of engine technology. Fiat was the first to patent variable valve timing and lift. :) Honda just applied it to a mass produced car with impeccable reliability.

[aaronng]

lol what is hitting vtec illegal? whats that got to do with cops being on the forum :S ?

Some guys here are saying they hit 120 and in Australia, that's an "illegal" speed. ;)

[EuroDude]

Depends where though, some freeways are 130. And I think there is one even higher in WA or NT somewhere

[Pumped]

Maybe they own a private runway

presumption is a bitch

[EuroDude]

lol what is hitting vtec illegal? whats that got to do with cops being on the forum :S ?

For the 6MT, 1st gear maxes out at around 60km/h, and 2nd gear is 100km/h. If you dont exceed the speed limit then its legal.

[Merlin086]

My o6 mt lux use to max out @ 103-104kph, with the jtune extreme now hits 112kph+ @ 7,500k's.(This was at Willowbank 2 weeks ago)

[Blitzen]

I vote no here, never really experienced vtec...

I've hardly hit redline in gears other than first, during the rapid acceleration, I simply can't feel the extra power at 6k, I reckon to experience vtec, you need a loud exhaust and intake mods, and in higher gear, so revs build up slower and when vtec kicks in, it's all there!

tho I've held 1st gear revs at 5k, 50m out from the lights and floor it - that accelertion and power is impressive!

[EuroDude]

Do you have an Auto?

My 6MT gets a nice power boost during VTAK. Shame it only lasts about 1200rpm lol

[Exar Kun]

Why does VTEC only come in so high? I assumed something around 3500-4000 would be a more beneficial range. Even overtaking not many people would go beyond 6000rpm. I had thought that i-VTEC altered the point at which the cam profile changed over - is this true? (New to the whole Honda ownership experience here).

[aaronng]

Why does VTEC only come in so high? I assumed something around 3500-4000 would be a more beneficial range. Even overtaking not many people would go beyond 6000rpm. I had thought that i-VTEC altered the point at which the cam profile changed over - is this true? (New to the whole Honda ownership experience here).

Because for the combination of the stock ECU maps, cam profiles and 95 RON fuel, 6000rpm is the optimum point.

[cutchorama]

I think for the stock euro, vtec comes in at its optimum point (which is 6k rpm)

Perhaps dropping where the cam changes over will decrease fuel efficiency and decrease acceleration? Not too sure.

lol aarong types too fast

[sodaz]

on a daily basis

Same here.

[nick_sixx]

if i had a k-series motor i would drive everywhere in first gear so i would never have to get out of vtec :)

[Exar Kun]

Because for the combination of the stock ECU maps, cam profiles and 95 RON fuel, 6000rpm is the optimum point.

Just seems odd to me to have such a small available RPM range when VTEC is active. If it needs to have that many RPM why didn't Honda have a less aggressive camshaft and maybe slightly less peak power but a much wider spread? Why advertise a feature so much when it is something a lot of people will barely ever use? Don't get me wrong, the Euro's engine is a lovely example of an NA 4 cylinder but it just seems like some odd decisions got taken somewhere along the line...

[splashalot2000]

Why advertise a feature so much when it is something a lot of people will barely ever use? ...

At the risk of being shot down in flames, I too question the use of Vtec if it's only available over 6,000rpm. I smell a marketing gimic. ;)

Flame suit on.......


SS

[aaronng]

Just seems odd to me to have such a small available RPM range when VTEC is active. If it needs to have that many RPM why didn't Honda have a less aggressive camshaft and maybe slightly less peak power but a much wider spread? Why advertise a feature so much when it is something a lot of people will barely ever use? Don't get me wrong, the Euro's engine is a lovely example of an NA 4 cylinder but it just seems like some odd decisions got taken somewhere along the line...

Because for the engine design, the aggressive low cam was probably found to be the best. That's why you get a nice lump of torque at 4000rpm. Then above 6000rpm, Honda went with a less aggressive highcam because the engine just can't breathe enough to fill the large cylinders at high RPM.

Why put in a less aggressve lowcam and change the VTEC point to 5000rpm when all it does is make the car have less torque at low-mid RPM? VTEC just improves fuel economy and drivability. It doesn't increase power. It allows the use of lumpy cams while retaining low RPM drivability. Also, the Euro was not designed to extract peak power. That's why they didn't need an aggressive highcam and a higher RPM limit (which will increase costs a lot more)

[blk05gli]

I hit it everytime I drive in 1st, just for the sound :-P

as Aaron said, if your wanted a Euro with peak power, get yourself a Euro-R - K20 with 8000 redline!!

[aaronng]

^^ Someone do a swap!!! Use the engine from the DC5S or something.

[EUR003act]

I simply can't feel the extra power at 6k, I reckon to experience vtec, you need a loud exhaust and intake mods, and in higher gear, so revs build up slower and when vtec kicks in, it's all there!

lol you should drive my car :D

its actually the lower gears that its more noticeable... second gear is the most fun, the tacho needle like doubles in speed once vtec hits :p

as said earlier, my traction control sometimes kicks in when i hit vtec in second now :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[N3M3SIS]

thats ture, but we're all talking about Track use if its over 100..... right guys? :p

Some guys here are saying they hit 120 and in Australia, that's an "illegal" speed. ;)

[EUR003act]

thats ture, but we're all talking about Track use if its over 100..... right guys? :p

nope.... sutton forrest rest stop... coming off the on ramp, 40 to 110 zone... perfect for 2nd gear vtec....

[Crapdaz]

Nothing beats the sound of vTek kickn' in....
Once in a while now since petrol prices are crazy....

[EUR003act]

Nothing beats the sound of vTek kickn' in....
Once in a while now since petrol prices are crazy....

since i changed my fuel filter i actually get another 70-90km per tank!!!

:D more fuel for vtec'in lmao

[assailant]

thats ture, but we're all talking about Track use if its over 100..... right guys? :p

we still have 110km/h zones here in wa :angel:
(but for some crazy reason the freeways are 100.. safest roads in the state)

[Crapdaz]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crapdaz http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/images/aria/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1569777#post1569777)
Nothing beats the sound of vTek kickn' in....
Once in a while now since petrol prices are crazy....

since i changed my fuel filter i actually get another 70-90km per tank!!!

:D more fuel for vtec'in lmao


Euro003act - how much mileage you get per tank now including all your mods? how much was the fuel filter and how quick was the install?

Regards,

[hooyn]

Euro003act - how much mileage you get per tank now including all your mods? how much was the fuel filter and how quick was the install?

Regards,


x2 i would also like to know please :)

[EUR003act]

Euro003act - how much mileage you get per tank now including all your mods? how much was the fuel filter and how quick was the install?

Regards,

i averaged (over three full tanks) 680km on 58Ls... used to get around 600 exact...

now thats not driving conservatively, probably two or three vtec's a day... start stop traffic in the mornings, and a lil bit of 5000rpm cornering...

im gonna try see what i get off a tank driving under 3000rpm no WOT...

fuel filter cost me - $54 (trade price from honda) and took me about 3 hours to change (i had to remove my subs/amps/enclosure first, then cut around the 3mm bitumen sound deadening, before even beginning to change filter lol) but it should only take someone else maybe 1-2 hours? depends how fast u work. i have full workshop manual, which was very handy! (explains how to de-pressurise the fuel lines before disconnecting :p)

[Blitzen]

lol you should drive my car :D

its actually the lower gears that its more noticeable... second gear is the most fun, the tacho needle like doubles in speed once vtec hits :p

as said earlier, my traction control sometimes kicks in when i hit vtec in second now :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

nice! ey ur getting 680km on a full tank with occasional vtec'n?! teach me how... or is it alot of highway driving? i'm don't drive the euro much, so I only fill up $30 a fort night, 23Litres these days, and all city driving, best I could squeeze out is 190km before it's getting too low (have to double check the trip computer) but it's somewhere there... and i'm driving like I have a newborn on the back seat, 1500rpm on flat roads, never really hit 3000rpm and I havn't vtec'd it since last month...

[ShAwNeX]

LOL ... This thread is so funny. It's like a alcohol anonymous meeting that you see on TV.

"The last time I VTEC'd"
"I VTEC all the time"
"I VTEC once a day"

:p

[BiLL|z0r]

I'd vtec more often but my wrist gets sore, oh wait, umm, never mind ;)

[Euro76]

I better tune down my urge of going beyond 6k rpm. Occasionally when VTEC kicks in I let it hit the rev limiter as the needle on rpm gauge went very fast after 6k rpm. To me it's not good for the engine as engine will wear quicker. On the positive side, hitting VTEC on 1st gear (6MT) is awesome. That's all I can say :)

[Merlin086]

LOL ... This thread is so funny. It's like a alcohol anonymous meeting that you see on TV.

"The last time I VTEC'd"
"I VTEC all the time"
"I VTEC once a day"

:p

Haha,

.......yeh, it's a hard a habit to kick, short high and binge Vtec'ing can get you into serious trouble.....:thumbdwn:

On a brighter note, it IS mood altering....lol....:thumbsup:

[EUR003act]

i seriously feel down and crappy if i dont get my daily vtec :p

[Euro08Jaz]

Vtec helps me deal with wankers who dont let me merge on a daily basis:D

[EuroAccord13]

I think this thread is about to reach it's End of Life here..

[aaronng]

Yup... Closed due to VTEC spam.............