4 Lug ITR '96 Spec Brake Swap

[riruiz_88]

would like to know if these would be a DIRECT bolt on to an EG with discs all round? would the front hub fit into the existing drive shaft? i have a D series engine, so im not totally sure if this is possible. would i need other things for this swap apart from: hubs, rotors, calipers, trailing arm?

[90LAN]

straight swap mate

[nd55]

Hey,

Assuming you only want to swap rotors and calipers, read on. If it's a whole sussy swap, then ignore.

96 ITR was 4x114mm PCD.

Civic's have 4x100mm PCD.

The reason the 96 ITR rotors are recommended is that you can re-drill them to 4x100mm without overlapping existing bolt holes.

This preserves the rotor balance.

> would i need other things for this swap apart from: hubs, rotors,
> calipers, trailing arm

original calipers won't fit, upgrade to ITR calipers and pads.

Same applies when upgrading rear rotors, need new calipers.

Rear upgrades can get fiddly with brakes hoses and hand brake cables.

Everything is here:

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1811368&page=1

Nick.

PS. 9CLP14S rear calipers are also found on Prelude's. Hint! Hint!. The caliper bracket however is slightly different and currently researching other differences.

PPS. Mini2 rear rotors are 4x100, 64mm ID hub bore and 44mm rotor height. Civic is 61mm ID hub bore and 48mm rotor height from memory. Might be able to get away with just a hub 61mm ID 64mm OD hub-ring. Will post more when more info is available.

PPPS. no need to swap hubs, uprights and trailing arms unless you want five lug setup.

[Limbo]

he's changing the hub its not gonna matter


I thought 96 ITR was 4x114mm PCD.

Civic's have 4x100mm PCD.

The reason the 96 ITR rotors are recommended is that you can re-drill them to 4x100mm without overlapping existing bolt holes.

This preserves the rotor balance.

> would i need other things for this swap apart from: hubs, rotors,
> calipers, trailing arm

original calipers won't fit, Upgrade to ITR calipers and pads.

Same applies when upgrading rear rotors, need new calipers.

Rear upgrades can get fiddly with brakes hoses and hand brake cables.

Everything is here:

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1811368&page=1

Nick.

PS. 9CLP14S rear calipers are also found on Prelude's. Hint! Hint!. The caliper bracket however is slightly different and currently researching other differences.

PPS. Mini2 rear rotors are 4x100, 64mm ID hub bore. Might be able to get away with just a hub 61mm ID 64mm hub-ring. Will post more when more info is available.

[fatboyz39]

would like to know if these would be a DIRECT bolt on to an EG with discs all round? would the front hub fit into the existing drive shaft? i have a D series engine, so im not totally sure if this is possible. would i need other things for this swap apart from: hubs, rotors, calipers, trailing arm?

Will bolt up. Just re-use the stock hand brake cable. Shafts will slide in.

[riruiz_88]

wicked i thought since havin a D series it wouldnt but all good. would i need a wheel alignment and wheel balanced done as well since im gonna be needin new wheels?

[dc2dc2dc2]

u always get that stuff done when u change wheels don't ya ?
good luck man.

[EG5]

wicked i thought since havin a D series it wouldnt but all good. would i need a wheel alignment and wheel balanced done as well since im gonna be needin new wheels?

Wheel alignment is needed.
Any time when you change tyres on your wheels it needs to be balanced.

[riruiz_88]

thanks for the answers, are the rotors and calipers the same size as the aus DC2R? what is the measurement of the disc?

[90LAN]

nope same as dc2/ek4/eg6

[jdm_kid]

262mm

[riruiz_88]

dosnt the EG come standard with 262mm, well the Si?

[90LAN]

nope shit brakes smaller than that with a shit caliper and shit all round

[Limbo]

what he means it egs generally have smaller rotors, caliper which are worse than the ek/dc ones

[jdm_kid]

dosnt the EG come standard with 262mm, well the Si?

232mm or something like that. tiny lol

[bennjamin]

232mm or something like that. tiny lol

245i think ? ( abouts) for the Si /vti fronts. But rears are exactly the same as EK4/EM1/EG6/DC2/DC4 etc.
Upgrade the fronts to atleast 262mm and relevant knuckle and caliper and look at atleast a ek4/dc2 brakebooster+master cylinder :)

[newbie]

why not just get 5 lug? 282mm fron rotors. more options on rims and similar in price to convert..

[Slaz]

282 brakes will be a better option but in an eg the 262's with good pads will go well, as for wheel option on the 5 stud, depending on the wheel make, alot more size/offset options in smaller wheels 15/16'' to be had then 5 stud as they cater for the vehicle, so the wheels available are more suited to ek9/dc2r and not eg's.

Good luck with the conversion.

[riruiz_88]

why not just get 5 lug? 282mm fron rotors. more options on rims and similar in price to convert..

well just for the hubs would cost me $1500, and the wheels would be an extra $1000-$2000 plus rubber will cost close to $5000. not worth it in my opinion

[riruiz_88]

245i think ? ( abouts) for the Si /vti fronts. But rears are exactly the same as EK4/EM1/EG6/DC2/DC4 etc.
Upgrade the fronts to atleast 262mm and relevant knuckle and caliper and look at atleast a ek4/dc2 brakebooster+master cylinder :)

oh thanks for the info man, never knew that :thumbsup:. i will be getting booster/cylinder at a later date, need the dosh first. will the aus spec DC2R booster/cylinder bolt-on to my EG? or are there little modifications to be done?

[Sir_vtec]

its bolt on.

if u install the brakes first and run stock mc and booster, it feels like shit. fit the mc and booster at the same time as brakes.

[riruiz_88]

its bolt on.

if u install the brakes first and run stock mc and booster, it feels like shit. fit the mc and booster at the same time as brakes.

im not gonna bolt it on as soon as i get the brakes. i gonna get some important bits first: bearing, pads and rubber. but if you say it wont be much difference with stock booster/cylinder, then ill save up more for it. is it very hard to fit a booster/cylinder?

[riruiz_88]

wow thread from way ago haha. i have now upgraded both master cylinder and booster. went from stock 13/16 to civic vtir 15/16. it has definitely increased brake response aswell as confidence that i will be able to stop. i must say that this mod is one of the best bang for buck mods you can do to your brakes.

[mocchi]

bumping old thread because google redirect me to this page while looking for ek9 rear rotor height.
anyone can share some info for ek9/dc2r rear rotor offset/height?

thanks fellas.

[EG5]

bumping old thread because google redirect me to this page while looking for ek9 rear rotor height.
anyone can share some info for ek9/dc2r rear rotor offset/height?

thanks fellas.

Height : 48mm
Rotors thickness : 9mm
Centre Hole : 64mm

[mocchi]

holy mother of god. this guy! thanks a jumbo!

reason for asking is because im gonna order mg zs 180 rotors.
282x25mm front 4x100
rears are 260x10mm 4x100 height is 48mm too, looks like its gonna be sweet.

katman suggested me that rover rotors.

[nd55]

45mm offset rings a bell, but it's been a while.

Nick.

[EG5]

I can get rear rotors in 262mm in 4x100 for your application with dc2r/ek9 rear caliper.

[mocchi]

=o

are they re-drilled or in 4x100?
how much front and rear rotors boss?
im looking at about $350 for those rotors shipped from UK.
not sure with fitment for zs180 rear rotor.

[EG5]

=o

are they re-drilled or in 4x100?
how much front and rear rotors boss?
im looking at about $350 for those rotors shipped from UK.
not sure with fitment for zs180 rear rotor.

Not redrilled they are 4x100 from day 1
PM me and will discuss it.

[mocchi]

found out that rear zs180 aint gonna work.
need 4mm spacer and the disc is 4mm too thick. also issue with minimum thickness?
hmm.. wonder why itr can have 8mm min. thickness while zs180 have 11mm min. thickness?
maybe because of vehicle weight difference?

OEM ITR:
height: 48mm
min. thick.: 8mm
ori. thick.: 9mm
bore: 64mm

ZS180:
height: 44mm
min. thick.: 11mm
ori. thick.: 13mm
bore: 64mm