Geneva International Motor Show - New Accord

[corn_flakes]

went to the international motor show in geneva yesterday, saw and sat in the new euro first hand!

it's not that much different to the previous model...front end looks similar, slightly different shaped headlights, the grill is a bit bigger...

interior is VERY nice...you even have a usb power port to provide power to your usb devices! :D

the only thing i do not like is the rear of the car....for some reason i'm not a fan of it, it makes the car look a bit cheaper and not as classy...but that's just my opinion.

and oh, there was a sport version there as well with more 'bold' bumpers and wheels, etc, and it looks VERY VERY hot!

a few pics first, i will post the rest when i have time to resize them...including the other cars at the show. :cool:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/vlam8/01euro.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/vlam8/02euro.jpg

[BiLL|z0r]

It's single exhaust. That's a surprise. Maybe that's the 2ltr model.

[tony1234]

Nice one!Please post pics of the sport version.:)

[Pumped]

In these pictures it doesnt look like a drastic change from the current shape!
Fronts pretty similar and the size seems about the same

:) really want to see the "sports" model

[cupnoodle]

the grill looks niceeeeeee. the rear reminds me of an aurion

[m0nty ITR]

I really don't like it. It looks old already. What's it gonna look like in 5 years?

[EuroDude]

The Rims look nice, not a fan of the grill though. Needs a Mugen style grill ftw.

[Pumped]

Severely needs bigger wheels :p

[EuroDude]

^ true but the design is ok. I doubt Aus will get them lol

[splashalot2000]

I really don't like it. It looks old already. What's it gonna look like in 5 years?

Agreed - I think the new one looks older and less stylish than the current model.

[mr747]

dont like it

[tron07]

Naaa.... I dont like the rims

[aaronng]

The rims are still nicer than the current base Euro rims.

[EuroDude]

Will the standard still come with 16" and Lux 17"? or are they upping the size to 17" and 18" ?

16" looks way too small imo. 17" is acceptable.

[tron07]

The rims are still nicer than the current base Euro rims.

I would say its similar.... but no where near the Euro Sport rims

[aaronng]

I would say its similar.... but no where near the Euro Sport rims

Keep in mind that the Euro in this photo is even lower than our base model. LOL.

[viper8548]

This might be the sport version, looks HOT!

Sedan
http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/03/thumb800x800_2312784636_1daa2ab599_o.jpg

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/03/thumb800x800_2312784532_ac662de163_o.jpg

Wagon
http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/03/thumb800x800_2311973845_b977d1cfec_o.jpg

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/03/thumb800x800_2312783892_f7eb0aabea_o.jpg

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/03/thumb800x800_2311974327_33c79529a6_o.jpg

More here
http://jalopnik.com/364125/european-honda-accord-sedan-and-wagon

[Crapdaz]

No offense to all those who like the euro and like the more boxey type lift they have done, but i reckon the euro looked better when it first came out with the rounder shaped OEM body.

Looks like a Camry on the front.

[aaronng]

No offence taken. I like the front, but I dislike the way the rear bumper slopes up to meet the tail lights. Looks so much like the 2007 USDM facelift Accord.

[aaronng]

Just noticed that manual models have a shift light!?

[viper8548]

Just noticed that manual models have a shift light!?

Whats a shift light? :o

[Crapdaz]

WTF they have a shift light for manual???!??!?!

[tony1234]

Just noticed that manual models have a shift light!?
Yeah they do.They also have a light that tells you when to upshift for optimum fuel economy.

[tron07]

Probably someone posted before....


http://world.honda.com/Geneva2008/Accord/photo/images/24.jpg

http://world.honda.com/Geneva2008/Accord/photo/images/26.jpg

http://world.honda.com/Geneva2008/Accord/photo/images/27.jpg

http://world.honda.com/Geneva2008/Accord/photo/images/25.jpg

http://world.honda.com/Geneva2008/Accord/photo/images/28.jpg

http://world.honda.com/Geneva2008/Accord/photo/images/34.jpg

[Crapdaz]

i love those seats, better than the ones we get now.

[tron07]

that station wagon is sexy... loves those rims too

[r-r-redEuro]

im digging the back of the sports, but the front i'll give it time to grow on me like i did with the UKDM CTR.

[aaronng]

Yeah they do.They also have a light that tells you when to upshift for optimum fuel economy.

Damn... hopefully there is a secret handshake to get into diagnostic mode so that we can set the shift light to come on at redline. :)

[aaronng]

i love those seats, better than the ones we get now.

The front seats look the same to me, except for the chunkier bit up top. The rear seats look frighteningly bench-like... looks very uncomfortable.

[Crapdaz]

the seats look more flatter compared to what we have now and nicer. but it just might be the colour of the seats.

[aaronng]

I don't like it flat like a bench. I like it bucket.

[Crapdaz]

need sparco's on the euro.... LOL

[corn_flakes]

yeh that white one is some sport version that i was sitting in...

sport one looks much better than the normal stock ones in person....

and in regards to the wheels, they had alot of accords with different wheels on them...not sure which wheels australia will be getting...

and the single exhaust thing is weird....i'm sure australia will have the dual exhausts. i've seen normal euros driving around town here and some of them have single exhausts...looks weird. lol

[tony1234]

Damn... hopefully there is a secret handshake to get into diagnostic mode so that we can set the shift light to come on at redline. :)
From what i understand there is a shift light that comes on at or close to redline as well as the one for fuel economy.:confused:

[longers]

i-dtec.....no more v-tec?

[EuroDude]

i-DTEC is the Diesel Engine. It will still have the K24 i-VTEC (but with a bit more power)

[longers]

ahhh k...
im not feeling the inside...love the rear screens..but interior looks like a civic..
and i don't think im a fan of the small steering wheel...

[IVTECS4]

Looks nice. Ok personally, I don't like the rear bumper - it's a bit to fussy- but it looks better than the current rear bumper The front looks great - a bit of the Accord V6 in the grille area , and the headlights look very sleek. That's for the sedan... The wagon - now that looks classy...

Where's the turning indicators on the mirrors ?

Interior (Dash)- has a hint of the current Odyssey and the Civic and new Accord, looks like everything falls into place easily.
If the i-DTEC diesel engine is gonna be made part of the new Euro, then I think this new Euro (with the i-DTEC diesel engine and a 5AT?) will be a replacement for the other car in my house .

[corn_flakes]

a few more photos

http://members.optusnet.com.au/vlam8/geneva17.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/vlam8/geneva18.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/vlam8/geneva19.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/vlam8/geneva20.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/vlam8/geneva21.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/vlam8/geneva22.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/vlam8/geneva23.jpg

[EuroDude]

That sports bodykit looks hawt, should make one for the CL9 euro ftw

[akina]

yea looks good!

looks like the aurion :p

[yfin]

i would like to see that sports kit in black or a different colour - and interesting to note that the sports kit is a complete replacement of front and rear bumpers. This is not a lip kit.

[splashalot2000]

Doesn't have nearly enough creases on the bumpers. ;)

[SPQR]

i-DTEC is the Diesel Engine. It will still have the K24 i-VTEC (but with a bit more power)

Apparently just 7 kW more (up to 147kW) and improved and better spread of torque.

[aaronng]

Engine specs looks the same as the 03-05 TSX, except for higher compression. A bit disappointing when the 2.4L Accord has 133kW with i-VTEC only on the intake cams using 91 RON.

[tony1234]

Does anyone here know the weight of the 09 euro?7kw increase and better spread of torque isn't going to do much if the new model is heavier.

[IVTECS4]

I just read the Herald Sun's latest car guide today and it has a feature on the new euro . The new Euro is coming out with the slighter more powerful
K24A 2.4 i-VTEC engine which now has 150kw - wonder what the torque output would be? The wagon is still in negotiation , and the pricks have no plan to bring the new i-DTEC Diesel engine over here - shame

It's also got all these safety gizmos (Luxury only or both ?) like adaptive cruise control , lane departure thingo (?) and a stability control system that works with the steering...

[assailant]

all those who said it looks a bit like a camry in places i would agree with.

needs the dual exhaust. front grille and lights are sweet but def needs wing mirror indicators.

whats going on with that massive power button on the console?

ps. corn_flakes - your camera takes nice pictures!

[tony1234]

I just read the Herald Sun's latest car guide today and it has a feature on the new euro . The new Euro is coming out with the slighter more powerful
K24A 2.4 i-VTEC engine which now has 150kw - wonder what the torque output would be? The wagon is still in negotiation , and the pricks have no plan to bring the new i-DTEC Diesel engine over here - shame

It's also got all these safety gizmos (Luxury only or both ?) like adaptive cruise control , lane departure thingo (?) and a stability control system that works with the steering...
Torque increases from 223 to 233Nm.

[Suntzu]

With the large wheel arches and small wheels it looks misproportioned like the previous series Camry.

The rear and front sports bumper is way to busy and im guessing will be toned down. I dont like the chrome grill WTF is it with honda and chrome?

Id prefer the Turbo Diesel as an extra 7kw will mean sweet FA if its heavier and it will be. Rowing a barge with an extra 7kw sounds like a PITA.

Love to mod a turbo D tho.

Ill probably give this one a miss as im up for a new lease and will probably get a s2000 or the like.

[tron07]

If I were to get the Euro, I would want a the 3.5 V6...... else I probably keep mine for like 10 years, then get a BMW

[aaronng]

Torque increases from 223 to 233Nm.
Which interestingly is almost the same figure as a 2003 TSX (232Nm). I reckon all they are doing is putting in higher compression and a similar ECU map to the old TSX.

[r-r-redEuro]

the back bumper of the sports kinda reminds me of a bmw, so rigid its nice. but having an exhaust like that.... a little peee hole is so dissapointing.

[EUR003act]

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/03/thumb800x800_2312783892_f7eb0aabea_o.jpg

is it just me or are they some seriously sexy stock wheels!??!

:thumbsup: congradulations honda! the entire accord sport range should have them, very nice

[EUR003act]

Which interestingly is almost the same figure as a 2003 TSX (232Nm). I reckon all they are doing is putting in higher compression and a similar ECU map to the old TSX.

didnt 06-07 tsx have slighty more aggressive intake cam?

[EuroDude]

haha i really doubt those 10 spoke rims are stock honda ones.

the wagon looks good (for a wagon), way better than the CL8 monstrosity lol

[aaronng]

didnt 06-07 tsx have slighty more aggressive intake cam?
Yes, and largger valves. But that makes more than 147kW. So here we are in 2008 and we are only beginning to match the 2003 TSX

[SPQR]

the back bumper of the sports kinda reminds me of a bmw, so rigid its nice. but having an exhaust like that.... a little peee hole is so dissapointing.

Don't worry so much unless you want a Diesel. The single little "peee hole" exhaust to which you refer is typically what's fitted to the Diesel cars. The 2.4L petrol car will have large dual exhausts. I have seen pictures of a blue wagon at Geneva with dual exhausts and as well the earlier spy photos of semi-disguised Acura TSX variant that had the dual exhaust.

[SPQR]

Yes, and largger valves. But that makes more than 147kW. So here we are in 2008 and we are only beginning to match the 2003 TSX

Yes it doesn't make sense. Apart from a dearth of useful torque, if the S2000 2.0L engine can work at 176kW why shouldn't the 2.4L work at closer to 211kW? 200kW would be a good compromise. I'd accept that. Come on Honda, where's all your fancy technology?

The various motoring website are reporting the power of the 2.4L as 200PS which is the German unit for horsepower. 200PS = 147.1kW from an online converter at http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/converter.htm

The following explanation is from Wikipedia (so it must be absolutely true right?). It also reminds us all what "DIN" means but in case you did not know SAE is the Society of Automotive Engineers (Originally Society of Automobile Engineers - from the USA):

PS

This unit (German: Pferdestärke = horse strength) is no longer a statutory unit, but is still commonly used in Europe, South America and Japan, especially by the automotive and motorcycle industry. It was adopted throughout continental Europe with designations equivalent to the English "horsepower", but mathematically different from the British unit. It is defined by the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (PTB)[1] in Braunschweig as exactly:

1 PS = 75 kp·m/s = 0.73549875 kW = 0.9863201652997627 hp (SAE)

The PS was adopted by the Deutsches Institut für Normung (DIN) and then by the automotive industry throughout most of Europe, under varying names. In 1992, the PS was rendered obsolete by EEC directives, when it was replaced by the kilowatt as the official power measuring unit. It remained in use for commercial and advertising purposes, as customers were not familiar with the use of kilowatts for combustion engines.

[aaronng]

Yes it doesn't make sense. Apart from a dearth of useful torque, if the S2000 2.0L engine can work at 176kW why shouldn't the 2.4L work at closer to 211kW? 200kW would be a good compromise. I'd accept that. Come on Honda, where's all your fancy technology?

This is a totally different matter. It's very difficult to get the k24a to make 176kW at the price they are selling the Euro, let alone 211kW. Why? Because of the high RPM the engine would have to spin at and the long stroke, thus requiring stronger internals. It would be better if Honda just made a FWD version of the F22C and gearbox and put that into the Euro (or make a k22a)

[SPQR]

This is a totally different matter. It's very difficult to get the k24a to make 176kW at the price they are selling the Euro, let alone 211kW. Why? Because of the high RPM the engine would have to spin at and the long stroke, thus requiring stronger internals. It would be better if Honda just made a FWD version of the F22C and gearbox and put that into the Euro (or make a k22a)


That's why I qualified my post with "Apart from a dearth of useful torque". A catch-all meaning it's not practical for normal cars. But somewhat more than 147kW should be achievable in response to your stated exasperation with the new model's apparent lack of substantive improvement in the power department. An exasperation that I share with you.

Your suggestion might well be desirable over a more potent 2.4L. Or they could put a turbo motor in it as they do with the 2.3L Acura RDX. Having owned three turbo cars to date, I would not mind another as the torque-rush is very addictive.

[aaronng]

Yeah, at the rate that Honda Australia is making decisions on their sporty cars, I'd even settle for the i-DTEC Euro....

[SPQR]

Yeah, at the rate that Honda Australia is making decisions on their sporty cars, I'd even settle for the i-DTEC Euro....

Yeah. I would consider the i-DTEC as well. I heard from my local dealer-principal that it's a no-show for Australia. :(


Oops! The baby is awake. Got to go.

[aaronng]

Yeah. I would consider the i-DTEC as well. I heard from my local dealer-principal that it's a no-show for Australia. :(


Oops! The baby is awake. Got to go.
Well, Honda Australia will lose sales to Mazda then... If they don't want to be the top seller, we can't force them. :p

[Suntzu]

They "say" there's no diesel coming as it will affect the purchase of the initial petrol sales.
Thats normal sales talk. Never run down your existing product with better options on the way.

I believe ( and have no evidence) that a diesel is coming to oz. look at the mazdas and VW selling so well. Now they have diesels at mass production they can do it cheaper, not to mention the 90% diesel sales in Europe. And the extra attraction of offering a model with awesome fuel consumption.

It will come. I want a diesel wagon with radar assist cruise and some cool gadgets with a 6 speed manual.

[IVTECS4]

I hope they do bring the i-DTEC diesel engine over here . Honda Australia has said "they're investigating it" - the possibility of bring the diesel engine here. Hell , on one of the "honda" magazines they had a test Euro with the old diesel engine - the i-TDCi with a 5 speed and the bloke who test drove the car was raving about how good the old Honda diesel engine was ...

Just bring the damn engine over here all ready!!! lolz ..:p If is available , I have the new Euro in wagon form and with the i-DTEC diesel engine and a 5AT!!!

[EUR003act]

Yes it doesn't make sense. Apart from a dearth of useful torque, if the S2000 2.0L engine can work at 176kW why shouldn't the 2.4L work at closer to 211kW? 200kW would be a good compromise. I'd accept that. Come on Honda, where's all your fancy technology?

at 7400rpm the pistons in our K24 are travelling at the same speed as the pistons in a F20 doing 8500rpm... to get the K24 to rev that high would require stronger conrods, and probably lighter/stronger crank and pistons...

as aaronng said, money is a factor there... think of similary priced cars in the same mid size sedan catogory of the euro: mazda 6 = 2.5L 125kw? and the bmw 320/3i = 2.0L / 2.3L 105-125kw?

so honda with 2.4L 147kw is pretty good, above the rest... only this is, in australia we need something to match say the mazda 6MPS and the BMW M3 and the liberty GT.... same car, but with alot better engine (K20 euroR)

[EUR003act]

They "say" there's no diesel coming as it will affect the purchase of the initial petrol sales.
Thats normal sales talk. Never run down your existing product with better options on the way.

I believe ( and have no evidence) that a diesel is coming to oz. look at the mazdas and VW selling so well. Now they have diesels at mass production they can do it cheaper, not to mention the 90% diesel sales in Europe. And the extra attraction of offering a model with awesome fuel consumption.

It will come. I want a diesel wagon with radar assist cruise and some cool gadgets with a 6 speed manual.

look up the HIDS (honda intelligent driving system) available on the euroR in japan.... its got features that keep you between the lines and brake for you so you dont run up the back of someone... :D

[aaronng]

I thought the HIDs was only available on the normal Euro and not the EuroR because the EuroR still used a cabled throttle?

[EUR003act]

I thought the HIDs was only available on the normal Euro and not the EuroR because the EuroR still used a cabled throttle?

possible... i was on the honda japan website (trying to translate...) and from what i could gather it was an option on the 06-07 euroR... but i may be wrong

[Atjo]

Aaron, is the chassis same as our current euro? I wonder if i can fit my AirRunner onto the new euro?

[aaronng]

Aaron, is the chassis same as our current euro? I wonder if i can fit my AirRunner onto the new euro?
Still no idea. Wait and see when www.tein.co.jp is updated. See if they have a new part number for the new Accord. If it does, then the AirRunner might not fot.

[Pumped]

Liking the look of the "sport" euro, bumpers look sweet.

If only it had more torque, the only thing stopping me is more torque lol

[bigdongers]

looks alright.

The flared wheel arches are a bit of a copy of the new Mazda design language though. They use them on the RX8 and new Maz 6.

[80057]

i went to the geneva motor show last thursday, i think the standard euro didnt look that good in real life the rims are way to small and its a little to conservative. the sportier version (white) looked alot better but the pictures make it look alot chunckier then when your standing next to it, the sport wagon looked the best IMO, the new euro took up most of the honda floor space with a mezzanie level with a s2k, ctr, f1 car, so they are definately pushing it over there. i think diesel will come to oz as it is now huge in europe, so prodcution shouldnt be a question, they pay around 1.8 per litre over there so they are getting diesel everything 220d lexus etc (like our is250) i cant believe how many tuners they have, mostly porsches and mercs, i think the standard 6 looks better then the standard euro but the sport euro better then the sport 6. i was surprised how many current models i saw on the road and 50-50 sedan/wagon. interesting.

[EUR003act]

i know its not the euro, but new accord pics from NZ... my friend was there this week:

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/Photo-0068.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/Photo-0069.jpg

looks like the sport model to me :D (optional bodykit)

[r-r-redEuro]

im assuming its the v6 range because of the dual exhaust ?

[EUR003act]

im assuming its the v6 range because of the dual exhaust ?

no idea.... :( sorry... but i actually reckon it looks ok... it would probably grow on me... lower it an inch or two, put some nice rims on, i could drive it happily

[raz05]

Looks like it has the optional body kit

[industrie]

the new euro looks fantastic only with the sports bodykit as it really gives it that muscular look.

[EuroDude]

I really cant get used to that grill lol. needs a mugen grill so bad

[viper8548]

haha i really doubt those 10 spoke rims are stock honda ones.

the wagon looks good (for a wagon), way better than the CL8 monstrosity lol

actually if you look closely its 20 spoke :eek:

[EuroDude]

here's a similar looking sports bumper on the CL9

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s109/PLAZAPCS/111.jpg

[r-r-redEuro]

thats the mugen bumper, the mugen lip is different. =)

[Pumped]

http://www.netcarshow.com/acura/2009-tsx/

17 pages of pics there

[SPQR]

im assuming its the v6 range because of the dual exhaust ?

It's the V6 Luxury because it has the dual exhausts and the headlight spray washers.

[r-r-redEuro]

stock for stock the accord looks better then the new euro. for if modded i reckon the euro for looks and power has more potential.

[aaronng]

All the hurdles that we have with getting power from the current Euro for cheap without spending up to 7K on a suitable ECU will also appear in the new Euro. So if you are not willing to spend the money on your current Euro, you will still have the same problem with the new one.

[Blitzen]

Sports one is much better! unlike the TSX, this one's a mean looking car! but still the wheel arches...