Handling bits for EG Hatch ?

[joey99]

I'm trying to get together some handling bits for my EG and wondering what people recommend. I would like it to handle almost as well as a DC2R.

At the moment, I only have a set of spoon springs and a front strut brace.

I've been researching around about sway bars and is it true that it's better just to replace the rear ones? and would a brace like a ASR one be neccessary ?
and would a DC2R rear sway be a direct bolt on ?

Is there anything else that people have tried would recommend ? like braces, etc ?

thanks

[trism]

sway bars, rear strubrace, you can get bracing for under the car

coilovers

better tyres

[NightKids]

1 word...

COILOVERS

But then a ITR with coilovers would still own you...

[shadou]

what's this for? Street I wouldn't bother spending too much, best case scenario for street is that sick as 90 degree corner you take on the way back home...............

Your set up is pretty good as is atm imo for street

[bennjamin]

Get these.

Buy a ASR brace for your car. Buy a DC2R rear swaybar. Install. Enjoy your cars much different/better handling.

[joey99]

It's for street. I've had a DC2R and the handling is just awesome on that standard ... I just want the EG to feel like that before I go for more power mods in the future.

so will the DC2R rear sway fit straight on without any modifications ?

[bennjamin]

the "modification" you need is a ASR brace. This puts the ITR swaybar at the same location and subframe reinforcement as a DC2R.

[joey99]

how would the ITR sway compare to the whiteline one?
anyone know how much a ITR sway would cost ? can I just get one from Honda ?

[rayb3na_]

yeah if u wanna fork out ridiculous amounts of money.. ur better off going to wreckers and/or asking around on the forums =]

[d15z1SUX]

i think most important replace ur stock shocks. either get some dampers or go with a coilover setup. after that look into some sway bars.

[T-onedc2]

Get these.

Buy a ASR brace for your car. Buy a DC2R rear swaybar. Install. Enjoy your cars much different/better handling.


the "modification" you need is a ASR brace. This puts the ITR swaybar at the same location and subframe reinforcement as a DC2R.
^^^This is the best info.^^^

Joey99, you didn't mention any aftermarket shocks to go with the spoon springs, good shocks will be necessary also. If you want Type R gear then these shocks will work well with Spoon Progressives, But you will need to fit Type R rear lca's (lower control arms)

A rear strut brace will give the rear better predictability and ride quality, do this last.

[55EXX]

rear asr brace and 22-23mm itr or ctr sway. guesin you have the stock front replace the bushes with polyurethane to match the rear and increase your cars agilty due to less give in the bushes. then more castor angle to increase turn in and really turn your car into a go kart. whiteline make a castor kit and it can be done by swapping your front upper/ a arm over left to right etc.

adjustable dampers like kyb agx would tie in well and give your system some adjustability.

so my list would go

springs
shocks
rear sway and brace
front sway chassis bushes
more front castor angle.

[joey99]

I have been reading quite abit about the white line package as well and actually sounds alright as well. I think it has the brace, casters and sway bar. But it might depend on how much it all costs as well.

shocks will have to come later when there's some extra money. I've had full spoon suspension on my previous EK and that was amazing but as it was all done by the previous owner, I wasn't sure what else was on it.

thanks for all the help. lets see if I Can find one of these ITR bars first :)

[TheSaint]

i had the whiteline kit on my DC2 but i would recommend a stock ITR 22mm sway with a ASR brace over it any day... the ASR brace also eliminates the need for tie bracing

you will want to get a good set of rear LCAs as well

than i would get:
- a good set of coilovers
- a camber kit
- front and rear upper strut braces
- desent bushes and adjust the front caster

[bennjamin]

plz dont get a kit made in australia....i just pulled another broken kit off a EK today. :( Get a ASR kit to suit your car + the right swaybar and go from there.

[DreadAngel]

Same as above but add in toe rods, camber kit, lower control arms...

It makes a WORLD of difference trust me :)

[TheSaint]

u dont need a tie rod with a ASR brace do you?

[bennjamin]

you mean tie bar - but no you dont need one as the ASR brace itself acts as a tie bar. You can add one that fits but its overkill

[EG5[KRT]]

what about a whiteline rear sway bar with a asr brace ?

[TheSaint]

i was under the assumption that whiteline cant be fitted with the ASR braces and its better to get a ITR or CTR one, clean it up and repaint it black

theres really not much diff between whiteline and a CTR/ITR one

the ASR brace is gonna do most of the work anyway... may as well save the cash for better LCAs they have more bling effect anyway lol

i personally didn't like the feel i got from the whiteline 22mm sway bar + tie brace kit when i put it on my DC2, for track it would have been sweet but for going to work and street it made the rear to stiff and the drive of the car was wrong... not organic... i could tell it wasnt designed to be like that =/ i know ITR come standard with 22mm but they must combine it with the rest of the package for an over all feel, when i put the kit on my car it just wasn't right... i probably needed to do coil overs, LCA and proper strut brace all in one go with it

my advice is by the parts up but put them all on at once - also when u first drive your car... go really SLOWLY (unless your on the track) because the car may not do things that you are used to =p

1st time i drove mine the arse end unexpectedly flew out on a corner i know really well and i almost destroyed a sulo bin with it rofl... i slowed down and took some time to learn the new feel but i could see it was much more suited to track not street

other changes were more rear slide in the wet and when i was carrying passengers in the back

from my experience best street mods u can do is upgrade ur brake rotors to slotted with some descent pads and put a good injen/fujita cold air intake on the car, than a ITR front strut - the front strut made a world of positive difference on my EG =)

[joey99]

great advise guys :)
I think the ASR brace is the way to go.

[SeverAMV]

if you're on a limited budget and just want an improvement on your handling, head to ebay.

skunk2 pro-s coilovers for $500-550US
front upper, front lower, rear upper, rear lower strut braces/tie bars and a c pillar brace for $40-50US. you might think its better to go for brand name stuff, but for bang per buck, you cant really go past a whole kit for $40.
camber kits for about $50-150
sway bars, you can go thicker whiteline ones but you will need a reinforcement kit for longevity.
depending on the condition of your car, and whether you want comfort or response, you'll want new bushes. rubber if you want comfort, hard rubber for a compromise between comfort and response, or polyurethane for response.

if you've got a slightly higher budget, then probably get pro-c coilovers, or another brand with adjustable dampers and maybe better strut braces, but aside from that, performance should be relatively similar.

[joey99]

yeah I do need comfort as my wife also drives it at times.
coilovers is not an option the moment as I just got the spoon springs installed otherwise my wife will kill me and say 'what ! changing again!', 'how much did you waste this time?!'

I tend to keep buying stuff and changing it again and again. just luck these little civics are relatively cheaper to tinker with ... unlike my S15 and WRX which cost a fair bit more for some things.

my plan at the moment is to find a DC2R sway bar and a ASR brace first .. then maybe a matching rear strut brace as well. I'll see how those go and then I'll see what these casters will do.

[joey99]

there is one more question ...

I'm about to buy the ASR brace plus the bar ... but then I looked under my car and it doesn't have a sway bar at all at the moment.

So I was just researching around and found that I might need a set of LCAs as well as I don't think there're holes for the linkages on the existing ones.

is that right ? can I drill holes in the existing ones ? what do people usually do ? The after market ones that I've look at are quite expensive.
Are there EGs with LCAs that have holes in them already ? is it because my car is a GL and not a Vti ?

Also ... how much are people here paying for their ASR braces ? I found one for $230 delivered ... does that sound ok ?

[EG5]

if your existing rear lower control arm dont have any holes for rear sway bar set up , you need a new rear lower control arm .

[rayb3na_]

yonas stocks them! i'll be picking up a set off him most likely. just a heads up

btw eg5 = yonas

[joey99]

thanks dudes ...will have to get some of those too then ...it's getting more and more expensive just to add a sway bar

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/92-95-HONDA-CIVIC-JDM-REAR-SWAY-TIE-BAR-SET-UP-93-94_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em122QQcategor yZ33592QQihZ008QQitemZ180231317468QQrdZ1QQsspagena meZWD2V

what do people think of these ? it's not very expensive either ... anyone tried these ?

[Migoreng_Noodles]

Get these.

Buy a ASR brace for your car. Buy a DC2R rear swaybar. Install. Enjoy your cars much different/better handling.

This is 100% correct.

I have a stock as a rock EG GLI, and I got ASR and 23mm ITR Swaybar, and it handles on rails. I even have stock tyres and steelies. Obviously, my tyres and wheels are aweful, and it affects the handling but it's a major upgrade.

The front feels a 'little' loser, compared to the tight rear but it's a good combination. The rear doesn't mind stepping if I flick it hard, but I think that's because of my tyres.

I'm looking forward to my Work Equips 15x7 and it'll definitely put enough rubber down.

[joey99]

sounds fantastic! I"m in the process of getting my parts together now :)

where do you guys get the ASR brace from ? can you get these in Australia ? I"e only found US shops that have them and it cost an arm and a leg to get it shipped here.

anyone know who much the ITR sway bar is from from honda themselves ? it's very hard to find these 2nd hand.

[jdm_kid]

ASR brace you can get from jdmyard.
Honda themselves will charge you a arm n leg for a brand new sway bar.
i think jdmyard are getting some sway bars in ? not sure, if not keep checking out the forsale section as ppl sell em.

[joey99]

good start :) I have found myself a set of Si LCAs :) yeah!

[joey99]

just incase people are wondering .. I just rang honda about the sway ITR sway bar ... they're $181 each which is ok I guess but end links and bushes are sold separately .. the links are $43 each and the bushes that hold the bar to the chasis are $9.95 each ..

so that's a total of about $287 .... which I thiink its abit expensive as the ASR ones from the US are alot less delivered.

so no one's got a used DC2R sway bar lying around ?

[Sydsyd]

search the For Sale thread, i saw some ppl selling them not long ago...

alternatively, u can use the end links from either EG or DC2 rear sway bar, they are all the same, so u'll save quite some money with those, unfortunately the rest are not interchangeable..

[joey99]

just found a place in the US to get the brace for $260 delivered .. it's great that the US$ is so good :)

[joey99]

just picked up my LCAs tonight ... and have ordered my brace and a 24mm ASR sway bar as well ... is being delivered from the US right now.

just wondering if it's a good idea to get some kind of sway bar at the front too?

I'll get some pictures up of the install :)

[55EXX]

the addition of a front sway bar will also help reduce body roll but in particular affects the cars over/understeer balance. as someone said before about the car sliding out and almost hitting a bin this would be from big rear sway and little/no front sway. this may be the case is there is no front sway fitted.

i would sugest a front sway bar is you haven't already got one. otherwise put on your rear sway on with stock front sway note the over/understeer balance and see where you want to go from there. i myself don't mind the car being tail slide happy. you will have to be careful as hard braking around a corner can make your car literally drift and you have to to be a skilled and experienced drivier to handle some situations properly.

[joey99]

Just looked under the car and and it actually has a front sway bar.
so I'll see how this goes first.

I'm also about to bid for this top rear strut brace ... do you guys think that will be too much ? I do want to make the car as tight as can be.

I myself don't mind cars sliding a little as I've had a modded S15 and that just goes everywhere if you're not careful in the wet.

Guess I'll have to try each thing to see how it affects the handling.

[Sypherg]

In the topic of EG handling, I have an EG GL as my daily beater...

I dont think it has front sway bar, what would people recommend to install? will dc2r front sway fit in this case with OEM endlinks\bushes etc? or will it require extensive modification?

Also, yeh i agree with people, i purchased ASR, dc2r LCA and waiting for dc2r rear sway now..also the usual strut braces, Carbing is great nice and solid.

[joey99]

Just got my ASR brace and 24mm ASR sway bar from the US today !
the quality of these things are excellent. And man that 24mm bar is so think and heavy!
The Brace was actually alot cheaper delivered from the US as the exchange rate is excellent right now and for the life of me I can't find one single 2nd hand DC2R sway bar anywhere. Buying it from honda brand new was going to cost $181 for the bar and I think it was another $100 for the bushes and links. So for less than that I might as well get the 24mm one which was designed to be used with the brace specifically for the EG.

Will be getting it fitted tomorrow morning :)

Here's what the kit looks like :
http://www.jase3d.com/images/myCars/ASR1.jpg

[joey99]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think this is the front sway bar on a EG GL
I think it's one of those that goes in and out with lots of bends. You can only see it from the back and it actually looks quiet thick.

http://www.jase3d.com/images/myCars/EGfrontSwaybar.jpg

Does anyone know that a DC2R front sway bar will be a direct fit ?
and would it be a good idea ? any adverse behaviour by fitting thicker front bars on like wheels lifting ,etc ?

At the moment running top front strut brace, spoon springs, ASR brace and 24mm rear sway bar (getting installed today).

[fatboyz39]

yes dc2r will fit EG for fronts.

[55EXX]

can't wait for pics i'm very keen on this same asr 24mm bar and brace combo. so how much did it cost in the end?

[joey99]

Here're some pics of the intall .. it was done at my friend's shop RedSuns performance. Wish I had some jack stands then I could've done it myself ....it was quite easy.

Here's it before with the GL LCAs that don't have the holes for sway bars:
http://www.jase3d.com/images/myCars/001_Before.jpg

On went the brace and the Vti LCAs:
http://www.jase3d.com/images/myCars/002_braceAndLCA.jpg

Then on with the sway bar ... man this was thick :) and did I mention the fantastic quality of these ASR parts ?
http://www.jase3d.com/images/myCars/003.jpg

Here's a pic of the linkage ... these were so smooth and I could just play with those all day:
http://www.jase3d.com/images/myCars/004.jpg

and back on the ground:
http://www.jase3d.com/images/myCars/005_done.jpg

The difference is phenomenal ... body roll is non-existant ....and it's transformed the car into a difference car again after having only the spoon springs. The springs by themselves were already very good for a street car but adding the sway bar just gives you so much confidence around corners. I find I need some bucket seats now to keep my bum on the seat as the turning speed has increased so much.

The rear of the car feels extremely tight and solid. But now I feel that the front needs something. I think it can do with a DC2R front sway bar and it will be perfect ... so now I'm looking for one of those if anyone has one. Then I can think about a rear top strut brace. But at the moment, I'm extremely happy with it and have been going out for a drive every hour ...ahhaha. It's fantastic.

[joey99]

ok ... after driving it for 4 days now ... it's fantastic and I don't think it needs anything more for the street. The ride is perfect for now until I get more power in the near future. These spoon springs are a great on a budget and are as comfortable as stock and really stiffens when going hard into a turn. Adding the ASR brace and bar just made it very close to the handling of a DC2R. All up it only cost about $1k. very happy with the results.

[joey99]

for all those people who's been asking me .. I got my brace and bar from
http://www.mlrmotorsports.com
just make sure you bargain them for better shipping charge as the label on the package I got was only $US100 for shipping through USPS.

[shebangs]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think this is the front sway bar on a EG GL
I think it's one of those that goes in and out with lots of bends. You can only see it from the back and it actually looks quiet thick.

http://www.jase3d.com/images/myCars/EGfrontSwaybar.jpg

Does anyone know that a DC2R front sway bar will be a direct fit ?
and would it be a good idea ? any adverse behaviour by fitting thicker front bars on like wheels lifting ,etc ?

At the moment running top front strut brace, spoon springs, ASR brace and 24mm rear sway bar (getting installed today).

Front swaybar isn't required though. With the big 23/24 on the back of the EG, she'll oversteer a little bit. Nothing to be worried about, and in fact it's much better for handling (my opinion) and keeps the car tight. The front does feel a tad loser than the rear, but a strut should fix it up.

If you upgrade the front swaybar, you'll find be introducing more understeer again (like DC2R in hard corners).

But your own choice I suppose. Definitely do rear combo first, see how you like it, then do front if it's too much oversteer for you.

[TheSaint]

what engines that car got in it?

is it a stock GL?

[joey99]

yup it's a stock GL ... working from the ground up first and building it up slowly.