CTR vs ITS

[Astkk]

Hi all,

Currently considering either a current model Civic Type R or a Integra Type S and would like to hear other's opinion and experience with both cars.

Both are great handling cars with similar power/torque figures,

ITS - Power: 154kW @ 7400rpm
Torque: 194Nm @ 7000rpm

CTR - Power: 148kW @ 7800rpm
Torque: 193Nm @ 5600rpm

Would the ITS handle better since its rear suspension is Independent by double wishbones, whereas the CTR is Torsion beam?

Which would be the better car to drive?

[bennjamin]

the CTR would be quicker and feel nicer to drive , produces its peak torque 1400rpm earlier so you can accelerate and feel power without having to wait as long in the ITS

[JasonGilholme]

Which car is lighter as well??

[DC5.Raven]

im assuming u guys are talking about the FN2R?
then:
FN2R: 1345kg
DC5S: 1230kg
(from redbook.com.au)

btw would you consider another option --> EP3R. heard alot of good things about it.

heres something from topgear comparing ep3r vs fn2r:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfqN_DDkppc

[Nepolian]

Which car is lighter as well??

ITS = About 1200 ish
FN2R = About 1350 ish

Correct me if im wrong!

That extra weight would vastly kill off any advantage of the torque. But you can always get more power!

[Q_ball]

ITS vs FN2R?

Hmmz... i'd get the ITS!!
Doesnt look like a bitches car! lol

[js0n1]

http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=1532

old thread but has a dyno comparison of a stock FN2R vs tuned ITS with h/i/e.

[Limbo]

i'd get the EP3r love that car!

[[[d a n n y]]]

Ep3 Ftw
Fn2r Ftl

[SuperSteve]

yeah i heard them ep3's are good why not give them a try *cough*

[Q_ball]

Where is the EP3 coming from??
OP has wanted opinions regarding current model CTRs and the ITS... stick to topic !! lol

[samsung001]

why not to wait for the FD2R? There's a rumor that the FD2R will be available in AUS.

[Mr_will]

id buy a new car over a second hand one anyday, so the CTR

[Astkk]

Thanks everyone,

that dyno comparison link is awesome, great info.

Didn't think about the EP3 before cause I haven't read much into them and haven't seen one in person yet. They are no doubt nice cars as well, and I won't mind a white one with low K's.

Does the EP3 have LSD? Got reminded that the Type S and new CTR doesn't whereas the DC5R has.

It would be a everyday car for me with some track duties.

[UNLS1]

a tough one, ive driven both, both look good, fn2r sounds heaps better and the seats are heaps better..

i dunno, id get the fn2r coz its newer and has more things i like and better room inside.

[iversonruls]

definately the type S...
imo the ctr is just badddd

[i-vtec]

Thanks everyone,

that dyno comparison link is awesome, great info.

Didn't think about the EP3 before cause I haven't read much into them and haven't seen one in person yet. They are no doubt nice cars as well, and I won't mind a white one with low K's.

Does the EP3 have LSD? Got reminded that the Type S and new CTR doesn't whereas the DC5R has.

It would be a everyday car for me with some track duties.

Yes the EP3 does come with LSD.

[dmx]

why not to wait for the FD2R? There's a rumor that the FD2R will be available in AUS.
don't listen to this crap rumor again !

id buy a new car over a second hand one anyday, so the CTR
doesn't ITR type-S still available in new ?

[denot]

doesn't ITR type-S still available in new ?

nope...

I prefer the ITS, coz I love the look of it... ^_^


fn2r sounds heaps better and the seats are heaps better..

I think ppl hate the "leather" on ITS seat coz its crap quality? :p

[sitta]

If you want practicality go for the CTR. the CTR have big boots and the back seat is very usable for people. In the integra the back seat only fits small children. People taller than 170cm will hit their head on the roof

[Frost_FD]

Type S FTW

Im just waiting for some one do modify their Fn2r to look like a pikachu cause thats all its good for

[aaronng]

Easy choice. Do you want a hatch or a coupe? If coupe, then DC5S or DC5R. If you want a hatch, FN2R if you want it new, or EP3R if you don't mind 2nd hand.

[Sexythang]

Easy choice. Do you want a hatch or a coupe? If coupe, then DC5S or DC5R. If you want a hatch, FN2R if you want it new, or EP3R if you don't mind 2nd hand.

i dont think people should support the fn2r. just to show honda we dont want torsion beams. it should be double wishbone all round like the DC2 integra r or accord euros.

if i were to get the fn2r, i'd just get the golf gti. torsion beam is a joke for a sports car.
i beleive the best budget front wheel drive sports car was the dc2r. and now its the golf gti.

[aaronng]

i dont think people should support the fn2r. just to show honda we dont want torsion beams. it should be double wishbone all round like the DC2 integra r or accord euros.

if i were to get the fn2r, i'd just get the golf gti. torsion beam is a joke for a sports car.
i beleive the best budget front wheel drive sports car was the dc2r. and now its the golf gti.

Just a few years ago, people were complaining about Honda using macpherson struts instead of double wishbones, just like you are doing now with the torsion beam. Yet, you are driving a car with macpherson struts. In the future, people might become more accepting of the torsion beam :)

[Philip Lee]

Just a few years ago, people were complaining about Honda using macpherson struts instead of double wishbones, just like you are doing now with the torsion beam. Yet, you are driving a car with macpherson struts. In the future, people might become more accepting of the torsion beam :)

it's sad isn't it?? we are going backwards just so the manufacturers can get a bigger margin......

we should expect leaf springs on the next Type R?!!

[Sexythang]

Just a few years ago, people were complaining about Honda using macpherson struts instead of double wishbones, just like you are doing now with the torsion beam. Yet, you are driving a car with macpherson struts. In the future, people might become more accepting of the torsion beam :)

i doubt it. i think we are heading back to at least macpherson up front and multilink at rear as standard.

yea its true i took a compromise. damn macpherson up front on a standard civic. but i wont accept a torsion beam on any other sports car....let alone a Type R. its a let down for the badge...the UK CTR

[rayb3na_]

LSD > no lsd

[EL_DC5]

Get a AU DC5S and chuck coilovers and LSD and it shits over
AU FN2R and the AU DC5R.

[denot]

Get a AU DC5S and chuck coilovers and LSD and it shits over
AU FN2R and the AU DC5R.

and the recaros, and the brembos, then its :thumbsup:

[dc2dc2dc2]

lol
everything i see this thread
i keep thinking it says GTR
fk sakes.
need to open my eyes.

[Double R]

Integra Type Soft enough said.

[wtfhax]

doesn't ITR type-S still available in new ?

no, they are discontinued



I think ppl hate the "leather" seat coz its crap quality? :p

more like recaros > leather :P

[denot]

more like recaros > leather :P

ya thats what I meant :p

[MrThanh]

I think ppl hate the "leather" seat coz its crap quality? :p

....leather seats.... in the fn2? :rolleyes:

[denot]

....leather seats.... in the fn2? :rolleyes:

meh ITS not FN2...

[VT1-R]

FN2R are heavier.. earlier peak torque makes up for the fat body..

ITS are lighter in comparison..But power wise is about the same..

FN2R will edge ahead for awhile b4 power to weight ratio brings ITS up by a bonnet space..IMO..

[MrThanh]

meh ITS not FN2...

mad quoting you did then :p

or maybe i am reading it wrong LOL

internets > me

[denot]

mad quoting you did then :p

or maybe i am reading it wrong LOL

internets > me

Sorry I have edit my original post... :p

[Double R]

ITS is not a Type R

CTR is a real Type R

[EL_DC5]

JDMFD2R > JDMDC5R > AUDC5S > AUDC5R > AUFN2R

Nuf Said!!!

sHUT YOUR PIE HOLES

[iversonruls]

imo dc5s and dc5r is the same level
its not like 1 is better than another