why not?..

[warwick108]

hey all.. was just wondering why i cant put s2000 wheels on my car?
ive been told i cant because the rear wheels are wider than the front..
what problems will this cause?.. =S

[Bludger]

maybe cos they don't fit????

[Sydsyd]

S2000 wheels have different offsets front and back (correct me if i'm wrong) with the civic (i assume u're talking about FD civic)...most likely u'll have wheels sticking out of ur guards

[bennjamin]

firtsly - what civic vti is your car ? Latest 2006+ ? Or earlier ?

Your car is 5 stud or 4 stud. Tell us.

Otherwise you cannot use S2000 rims on your car because they are "staged offset" (front wheels are less "deep" than rear)
and are illegal on any cars that do not have this stock.

[nugget666]

it is illegal to have a staggerd offset on a fwd car as far as i am aware.


^^ got in before me and corrected me

[warwick108]

yes i understand the s2000 have a different offset.. but im just curious whats the problem with the change in width for a fwd? how would that effect the ride of the car?

[Bludger]

you're trying to understand too much, too fast

learn the basis/basics 1st, it will help you comprehend why you can't use them

[panda[cRx]]

they said NO ok NO!!!!

[warwick108]

lmaoz.. who would know that I have bigger width at the back.. its not like they have a ruler or something.. lol

[Bludger]

I have never seen you b4, but somehow i know you have no brain....

[mrwillz]

lol
hilarious!

[tRipitaka]

and why would you want a bigger width at the back ?
you have a fwd ?

[JasonGilholme]

just use two sets of front wheels from an s2000 if you can get a hold of them. That way you'll have the look you want and the widths will be the same.

Do you know if the offset will even fit on your car anyway?? Its not always just a matter of bolting them up and driving away.

[dsp26]

^^^yep..

but some people have to learn the hard way if they don't wanna listen and try to make excuses and justifications for themselves...

I say leave this thread as is and let him do what he wants.

we really should have a "Funniest threads ev4r" section

[warwick108]

I dont think people are actually reading what im trying to say... I dont want exactly the s2000 rims.. they dont fit.. I was saying.. if I were to buy a set of rims with the rear having a wider width.. what would be the consiquences?. and how would this effect my ride..? i used s2000 as an example

[Bludger]

I just googled "wheel offset"

you learn a lot, its so easy, why ask us lazy mofo's ?

[dsp26]

I dont think people are actually reading what im trying to say... I dont want exactly the s2000 rims.. they dont fit.. I was saying.. if I were to buy a set of rims with the rear having a wider width.. what would be the consiquences?. and how would this effect my ride..? i used s2000 as an example

http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp

[FAT VTI]

Lets see,
Effects of wrong offset on the rear for a fwd car.
Lets compile a long list so this bloke cannot justify himself and keep on going about how he wants this SO badly.
Ill start the list-
1. wheels will stick out past your guard, if your car is lowered AT ALL, the body of your car will be resting on the top of your tyre. To correct this problem (depending on the offset of ur vechile and the whell to see if its even possible), you'll have to get the guards rolled.
2. If your wheel/tyre comes past your guard(sticks out) it is illegal in NSW (don't know in other states).
3.having wheels with wrong offset, will mean bye-bye to U turns, and in ur case prob 3 point turns and round abouts. I hope you(and other drivers) have patience because your going to be doing about 10point turns to turn around.

those are the 3 i came up with. Thats basically 3 reasons for you NOT to do this. I am sure people will add to this list, just so you can see even more reasons to justify why ppl are telling you not to do this.

[Elwood]

+ the consequences of you having wider wheels on the rear will make you look like a douchebag, because you own a FF.

[Boban]

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u286/80ban/typer.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u286/80ban/something2.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u286/80ban/something.jpg

it can be done

[JasonGilholme]

fark that looks shit.

[FAT VTI]

Quite possibly the ugliest civic in the world.

This will answer the question on why you shouldn't do it. IT looks like that!:eek:

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

hey all.. was just wondering why i cant put s2000 wheels on my car?
ive been told i cant because the rear wheels are wider than the front..
what problems will this cause?.. =S

^^^^^ as above mentioned is SO SO TRUE!


I dont think people are actually reading what im trying to say... I dont want exactly the s2000 rims.. they dont fit.. I was saying.. if I were to buy a set of rims with the rear having a wider width.. what would be the consiquences?. and how would this effect my ride..? i used s2000 as an example

Also rear above ^^^^

[aaronng]

I dont think people are actually reading what im trying to say... I dont want exactly the s2000 rims.. they dont fit.. I was saying.. if I were to buy a set of rims with the rear having a wider width.. what would be the consiquences?. and how would this effect my ride..? i used s2000 as an example

If you used wider rear tyres on a FWD car, can get more grip in the corner from better contact patch under side loads. More grip in the rear compared to the front in a FWD car = understeer. S2000 gets over this because it applies power to the rear wheels, this minimising the load on the front tyre and evening it out in the end.

[Feverpitched]

It's funny. So many replies yet nobody's answered his question - whether it's legal to have staged offset/wider wheels on a FWD car. It's been hinted that it is, but no solid answer has been given yet. He didn't ask about 'wrong' offsets, and not about tiny 5c super positive rims either.

As for why, he may just be after the staged look - nothing wrong with that. I personally like the staged look myself, but I wouldn't do it to my FWD. But its not my car we're talking about. Pull your heads in, its the noob section ffs.

[aaronng]

It's funny. So many replies yet nobody's answered his question - whether it's legal to have staged offset/wider wheels on a FWD car. It's been hinted that it is, but no solid answer has been given yet. He didn't ask about 'wrong' offsets, and not about tiny 5c super positive rims either.

As for why, he may just be after the staged look - nothing wrong with that. I personally like the staged look myself, but I wouldn't do it to my FWD. But its not my car we're talking about. Pull your heads in, its the noob section ffs.

That question was answered very early in the thread. It is ILLEGAL to have staged offsets (or staged tyre widths) on a FWD car in Australia.

[FAT VTI]

It's funny. So many replies yet nobody's answered his question - whether it's legal to have staged offset/wider wheels on a FWD car. It's been hinted that it is, but no solid answer has been given yet. He didn't ask about 'wrong' offsets, and not about tiny 5c super positive rims either.

As for why, he may just be after the staged look - nothing wrong with that. I personally like the staged look myself, but I wouldn't do it to my FWD. But its not my car we're talking about. Pull your heads in, its the noob section ffs.
FAT VTI SAID-

2. If your wheel/tyre comes past your guard(sticks out) it is illegal in NSW (don't know in other states).

Read a little closer mate. was even said earlier than that^

[Feverpitched]

Yes, aaron, I'm aware you hinted that. Any chance you could direct me to where it says that?

FAT: 1. I'm not your mate. 2, I have no idea where in "staged offset" you found the words "wheels come past your guard". Time to read again?

[cristian]

i always thought staggered offset means the width outside edge of left tyre to the outside edge of right tyre from the front wheels are narrower than the rears...

but then theres photos being uploaded of civics with simply wide offset...nothing to do about being staggered?!??

[cristian]

just a quick paint image i made...this is how i understand staggered offsets and how ineffective they are on fwds...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/god5peed/offset.jpg

the blue lines just shows the disposition in where distributing weight from front to back...

a. is the normal identical offset we're all used to...weight at the front is distributed to the same length as the rear...so on and so forth...

b. on the other hand is staggered offset...narrower weight distribution compared to the rear...

now since FWD's have pull the weight of the vehicle from the narrower front wheel track, then due to inertia if u changed the direction of the car's weight would be focused on a narrower wheel track...

soo...if u were driving at cruising rate then change directions, a 90 degree right turn...

the cars weight would be focused on the front left...
it's almost like focusing the weight of triangle...and having the weight of 2 sides of a triangle weighing on the side...
secondly, as u accellerate...the drive from the front would also transfer weight to the rear left...and as it does that, it will also have to fight the natural physics of having a more stable rear end of the car since its got a wider track...this will only encourage traction loss as a result of two forces fighting each other...

hmm...

i know the img isnt much, but its the best i could explain...

oh...and if im wrong, then i'll be another noob to learn something off this thread...

[Feverpitched]

cristian, I think you and me have the same idea of 'staged' or 'staggered' offset.

I personally think having a different offset front and back for a FWD isn't ideal, but I ultimately think it will be much of a muchness for a daily driver. Let's face it, if you don't push your car's handling limits every day then I don't see too much of an issue. And if you were to find issue, it will be a question of degree - it will depend on how much difference there is between the offsets.

As to the original question, I don't know whether its legal or not because my brief research hasn't revealed anything of note.

Good on you for reading the post and not making ASSumptions.

[bennjamin]

Does not change the fact that it is illegal. Full stop.
It may also be damaging to the car/wheels due to different offset.

[Feverpitched]

You're getting to the crux of my point, bennjamin. You've said that it's illegal without telling us why, or who said its illegal.

To be frank, if I believed what everyone said on this forum I'd be in big, big trouble.

And as for damage, why would it damage the car/wheels, when some cars come stock with staged offset? And some larger cars (supra, skyline's, 350z's, high end mercs and bmw's etc) either come stock or owners put staged offset wheels on without any ill effect?

[bennjamin]

I have been told by the police. Without hesitation , i believe them rather than your questioning...There is documentation out there im sure if someone can dig it up.

BTW only RWD or some AWD cars would run "staged" offset. NOT FWDs. That is the point of this thread :)

[[[d a n n y]]]

You're getting to the crux of my point, bennjamin. You've said that it's illegal without telling us why, or who said its illegal.

To be frank, if I believed what everyone said on this forum I'd be in big, big trouble.

And as for damage, why would it damage the car/wheels, when some cars come stock with staged offset? And some larger cars (supra, skyline's, 350z's, high end mercs and bmw's etc) either come stock or owners put staged offset wheels on without any ill effect?

some of these cars have those sort of offset due to the large brakes and such they have and they have difference drive train set ups
as for the owner putting it in it's with their own risk...
no 1 is telling u to believe what we say.. if u dont think it's right then dont beleive it no 1's got a gun to your head
this forum is here to share out experiece and such.

[Q_ball]

it is illegal to have a staggerd offset on a fwd car as far as i am aware.

Yes it is


^^^yep..

but some people have to learn the hard way if they don't wanna listen and try to make excuses and justifications for themselves...

I say leave this thread as is and let him do what he wants.

we really should have a "Funniest threads ev4r" section
Agreed :thumbsup:


You're getting to the crux of my point, bennjamin. You've said that it's illegal without telling us why, or who said its illegal.
Its common sense that tells you that its illegal... and this common sense is backed up by documents and info from both Police and the RTA.

You cannot drive with a staggered offset (meaning one set of tyres is wider than the other... be it front or rear)

[bennjamin]

Sigh Qball. We know this.

The kid wants HARD evidence because he simply wont believe us.

[Q_ball]

LOL, go get defected then...

Then look at your yellow canary + fine...
That should be hard enough evidence for him :)

[Feverpitched]

I have been told by the police. Without hesitation , i believe them rather than your questioning...There is documentation out there im sure if someone can dig it up.

BTW only RWD or some AWD cars would run "staged" offset. NOT FWDs. That is the point of this thread :)

Well now we know where you heard it from, and that you didn't hear it from your mate's brother in law's pool cleaner. Documentation might help?

I didn't make an assertation either way whether it was legal or not. I didn't say it was a stupid idea or it was ugly either. You guys just ragged on this guy like he was a simpleton when most of you didn't even bother to read the post. That is what got me annoyed. I have no problems with people telling people their opinion but flaming noobs in a noob section, especially with nonsense, is poor form.

My rant is over, and I think my point has been made. Cheers guys. :wave:

[Feverpitched]

Sigh Qball. We know this.

The kid wants HARD evidence because he simply wont believe us.

I wasn't the one asking. What if some idiot was to come around and tell you that having braided brake lines was legal? And you didn't know better? It's happened before on other forums, believe me kiddo.

[bennjamin]

No one here is out to diss you , why are you dissin everyone here ?
His questions were answered within a few posts dude :)

hey all.. was just wondering why i cant put s2000 wheels on my car?

Illegal. May cause rubbing issues / damage car.

ive been told i cant because the rear wheels are wider than the front..
what problems will this cause?.. =S

Illegal. You will get defected. Possibly have accident etc.

[Feverpitched]

I'm not dissing you bennjamin. I'm not dissing aaronng. I'm dissing people who jump in with nonsensical posts irrelevant to the OP's question, and ragging on him for what seems like a perfectly sensible question.

This forum is about as controlled and sensible as a mirc chatroom sometimes...

[cristian]

it was replies like this that got me just as peeved off...


I have never seen you b4, but somehow i know you have no brain....

i know where ur comin from mate, we've all been there...

[Q_ball]

Back on topic guys ...
If you have nothing valuable to add, go ramble in the spam thread. :)

[FAT VTI]

Well now we know where you heard it from, and that you didn't hear it from your mate's brother in law's pool cleaner. Documentation might help?

I didn't make an assertation either way whether it was legal or not. I didn't say it was a stupid idea or it was ugly either. You guys just ragged on this guy like he was a simpleton when most of you didn't even bother to read the post. That is what got me annoyed. I have no problems with people telling people their opinion but flaming noobs in a noob section, especially with nonsense, is poor form.

My rant is over, and I think my point has been made. Cheers guys. :wave:

LOL feverpitched.
How much evidence of whether or not something is legal or illegal do you need?
Are u forgetting its ozhonda, and in the division of powers in the consitution states- roads and traffic fall under residual powers thus covered by the state. Meaning there is going to be different legallity issues from people in every state.
Basically, nobody is going to produce legal documentation to justify if something is illegal.
Not going off at you, I reckon in regards to people saying if things are illegal, they need to say where it is illegal.
e.g. illegal in nsw or illegal in vic.
Would help everyone clear it up.

[Feverpitched]

The answer is, again, in the text. If you're saying that something is illegal, please tell me where the illegality exists. A link to the RTA article, the appropriate ADR, the legislation, anything, just not "I said it so it is true" or "some ricer magazine told me". On a similar vein, I don't always believe what the police tell me either. I've been told some of the biggest pork pies by those... guys

For example, I could tell you with great conviction that blue wheel nuts are illegal. How did I know? My local kebab stall vendor told me, and he sees a LOT of cars where he works, so he should know.

As said, read it again. Then read it once more. Please.

[Q_ball]

Its not our responsibility, as members who are trying to help another, to prove to you if legalities are in fact true or not.

We say it is illegal, because we know it is - this doesnt mean that we know where the exact link is to the source of this info on the internet.
If you want verification on that, you should be the one responsible in looking this up!

Dont expect everything to be spoon fed to you!

[dsp26]

FFS!!!!
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_dl1.html

VSI 09

Page 4

Point 4 under heading "Additional requirements for replacement wheels"

Some cars get ADR exemption

but thats for NSW.. do your own research for your state..

/thread



What if some idiot was to come around and tell you that having braided brake lines was legal? And you didn't know better? It's happened before on other forums, believe me kiddo.
And they are legal when their ADR approved which comes in the form of a coloured thingy around the connectors... of course you'd also find this on the ADR or relevant road authority site...

i wasn't gonna have a go at you but you pissed me off this day for the sole proof in the entire thread that your arguing for the sake of it... of course YOU wouldn't believe half the shit said in this forum.. thats why YOU do your own research... this fellow asked here because he's too lazy to look in the right place... its ****ing childish.. ask a question, don't like what you hear and try to have your own way anyway... people like that are backwards.. no ****ing common sense and immature... **** off and grow some pubes and see the real world for once!

/rant

[Q_ball]

^Well said... and i think this is due to be closed!
Thread topic was answered back on the first page!

PM me if you have a problem with that.