94 Accord Coilovers?

[Phat999]

Hey everyone.
Does anyone know of a company that makes coilovers (preferebly hieght and camber adjustable) for a 94 accord sedan?
Lookin around but haven't found any as yet?
cheers

[Riviera]

morning i think D2 racing, tien dont :( well they might but i aint seen em on
there website

D2 racings in NZ they got em on egay

[CB7_OWNER]

i've seen tein on ebay for 90-97 accord......you may not know this, but 90-97 accords are VERY popular over in the states.. hence there is HEAPS of aftermarket support.......

As for coil-overs over here, we got trader on here Racenation, who sells BC coilovers.. and able to get it for your CD accord

[Eclipsor]

Tein make the SS and basic for the cb/cd. Any of the variants of D2's are made for the accord. ie. ksport, f2... the list goes on. Unfortunately none of the other jap brands that I've seen make any that go as low as the d2's. But if that's not an issue there are plenty. Just look through manufacturer websites and you'll be surprised who makes them.

The other option is ground controls with koni's.

[53XDJ]

how low do the d2's go for a cd5? anybody got any pics with the lowest setting?

[JohnL]

Hey everyone.
Does anyone know of a company that makes coilovers (preferebly hieght and camber adjustable) for a 94 accord sedan?
Lookin around but haven't found any as yet?
cheers

No such thing as a camber adjustable 'coil-over'. For that you'll need a camber adjustable upper wishbone. You may not really need camber adjusters unless you're lowering the car quite a lot or have uneven camber...

A coil-over is any suspension unit comprising a damper (i.e. 'shock absorber', a misnomer) and spring that can be removed as a single discreet unit from the car (with the exception of a MacPherson Strut). A coil-over is a coil-over, it doesn't need to have any adjustments to make it a coil-over. The stock Accord springs / dampers are coil-over units, though totally unadjustable.

Aftermarket coil-overs (i.e. a damper and coil spring marketed together) will typically offer some degree of adjustment, i.e. damper rate and ride height adjustment. Note that the range of damper rate adjustment on typical aftermarket 'coil-overs' is often quite limited, despite an apparent large number of adjustment 'clicks' (especially in the 'bump' adjustment range, often virtually zero change).

The most important part of any coil-over as far as quality / performance is concerned is the damper (the most complex, costly to make and highly stressed component that needs to perform in a sophisticated and subtle manner). Many expensive and very nice looking aftermarket 'coil-overs' do not have such great dampers as part of the package.

Many would argue that the dampers sold seperately by Bilstein and Koni are far superior to most if not all of the dampers incorporated into typical aftermarket 'coil-overs', and as such a set of these dampers mated with seperately sourced springs would be a better fitment than typical aftermarket 'coil-overs' (and likely to be cheaper).

Don't be swayed by any particular product's 'street cred', the 'street' hasn't got much of a clue often being swayed by fashion and marketing hype more than by engineering competance or real performance. Be swayed by what brands are commonly used in top end motor sport, and fitted as OE by serious players in the performance car game (i.e. Bilstein are fitted by BMW, Ferrari, Jaguar, Maserati, Mercedes, Porsche - Koni are fitted OE by Ferrari and Aston Martin).

[FAT VTI]

hey mate,
tein ss for $1300 aus.
www.titanmotorsports.com

Very good suspension, on lowest setting feels very good. They are damper and height adjustable.
many accords in australia have them and nobody is complaining.

[liman]

what about koni yellow?
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55668

[Riviera]

always in the US thats easy to find but trusting them to get here in one piece i cant do

[Vinnie]

what about koni yellow?
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55668

the konis are not coilovers, they are just shocks (albeit rather good ones). you'll need a set of lowered springs to go with them and while that is another good option it works out to about the same price as the tein ss from the states...

[040501912]

ok here goes the list

Coil overs - height and damper adjust
Tein (SS, Basic, lucky enough to get old model HA)
Buddy Club
Tanabe (v.rare)
D2 (+ other taiwan made ie. Ksport, Racing logic bla bla bla, they all the same)

Coil over - Height only
GAB
Mugen (v.rare)
some Buddy Club

Springs n shock combo (adjustable)
Tokico
Koni

well... all is about how big you wanted to spent and what quality you wanted to get.

ie. Tokico damper adjustable + lowered spring or with coilover spring
would come down to about $900 shipped from US

all other coilovers like Tein SS is arround $1300 ish from US almost the same price with the D2.

I did my search a year ago and thats all i come out with.. hope it helps you.
just too take notice that Accord 94-97 models has the wagon Version.

Both have the same Front suspension but slightly different at the rear.
Sedan variant - CD 1-7
Wagon - CE1

so make sure before you buy you got the right stuff :)

Good luck.

[Riviera]

:( but its just so risky anyone bought from the states before???

[040501912]

got few parts from states. those ppl are great!!
well i sourced parts from eBay and Yahoo auction japan :p they all come and never lost in shipping ... :) Thats why you put insurance on it.

and i got a friend who imported Tokico suspension + spring last year from eBay US. Easy deals, you pay. they received, sent and your give tracking numbers it give you peace of mind where bouts is your item.

[Eclipsor]

Find a shop in the usa that you can trust and you shouldn't have any problems shipping from there. Normal airmail takes less than a week normally.

ps. what buddy club can you get for an accord 040501912? Older ones? There isn't any in the current range is there?

[040501912]

not on the current range anymore unfortunately .. they come on on ebay rarely .. did see them .. few months ago ...

old car - harder to get parts.. i suppose..

best try Yahoo auction japan and eBay US they come up randomly for suspensions.

[FAT VTI]

riviera-I would not purchase something over $500 from overseas off ebay, it is far too risky imo.
however, I personally know of 5 accord owners who have purchased their tein suspension from titan motorsports in the usa (me being one of them).
They are very good to work with, and have not scammed anybody, everyone has recieved their products and have not had any problems whatsover.
email eric for some prices www.titanmotorsports.com

oh, and tein basic do not have damper adjustibility, only height however still ride very smoothly on lowest setting.
Koni yellows are very good, but dont even think about buying them in australia if you want something cheap.
konis are height adjustable through perches, however coilovers allow for height adjustability to whatever u want, from .001inches too 1.543 inches or whatever u can measure lol.
I dont know if this is true, but i heared koni yellows are no longer being made for cd5s, only koni reds. With this being said, its still not very hard to find a vender for koni yellows for cd5s.
I suggest tein coilovers, I got them and are extremely good for the price.

[JohnL]

oh, and tein basic do not have damper adjustibility, only height however still ride very smoothly on lowest setting.

Even the Teins that do have damper rate adjustment don't haver all that much adjustment compared to Koni (I've seen the comparative shock-dyno sheets somewhere). The Tein rebound adjustment range is better (i.e. how stiff at 'stiff' and how soft at 'soft') than their bump adjustment, which according to the dyno sheets I've seen has almost zero stiffness change from full stiff to full soft.


Koni yellows are very good, but dont even think about buying them in australia if you want something cheap.

Late last year I paid $850 for four Koni yellows (i.e. 'Sports') to suit CB7/CD5. RRP is I think $950, but you can do better with some arm twisting. I sourced mine through AutoOne, I think the importer is Proven Products.


konis are height adjustable through perches, however coilovers allow for height adjustability to whatever u want, from .001inches too 1.543 inches or whatever u can measure lol.

The front Konis (typically) have two alternative locating grooves for the lower spring seat, one at stock ride height and one slightly lower (only about a centimetre or so). The rear Konis have three such grooves, one stock ride height, one slightly lower and one higher.

However, if you want more ride height options with the Konis it's easy and cheap to have additional perch locating grooves machined into the Koni damper bodies. Any competant machinist should be able do this for a quite reasonable cost.

Some particular Koni yellows come from Koni with more than the typical two or three spring perch grooves, machining additional ones in no way harms the damper (if done properly, i.e. to the exact depth / width etc as the existing grooves, nor too close together). It makes you wonder why Koni is so stingy with the number of grooves they typically do provide.

If you wanted say an approximately 3cm lowering (below what is possible with the lowest ride height setting groove provided with the unmodded Koni damper), then you'd have an additional groove machined 3cm below the lowest existing groove (and while you were at it you might as well machine a few more between the new and existing grooves to provide more options).


I dont know if this is true, but i heared koni yellows are no longer being made for cd5s, only koni reds. With this being said, its still not very hard to find a vender for koni yellows for cd5s.
I suggest tein coilovers, I got them and are extremely good for the price.

The Koni 'Sports' (i.e. yellows) were easily available last year for CB7/CD5. Don't know if this has changed.

Tein dampers (as incorporated into 'coil-overs') are not Koni, not in quality, nor performance, nor longevity. Having said that they may well be better than most OE dampers (which are usually pretty crap).

I posted this link in another thread, I'll post it again in case you haven't seen it:
http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets6.html

[skyflyer]

Actually Tein Flex is way better but they don't make it for CD Accord.

Koni is still available in the US. You can order them through one of the US CD Accord forums not sure if I'm allowed to mention forum name here. That forum has a store for you to buy springs, shocks, coils, etc.

Good luck.

[FAT VTI]

However, if you want more ride height options with the Konis it's easy and cheap to have additional perch locating grooves machined into the Koni damper bodies. Any competant machinist should be able do this for a quite reasonable cost.

Mate, I understand what your saying, but your adding additional costs and effort ontop of a purchase of over 1000bucks.
In my opinion, i want to buy something and use it, instead of f**Kn around and getting it machined...
Konis are alot better, they are rated far above tein in suspension standards.
However, for cd5 accords, tein's are relatively cheap, easily bought and easily installed.

Koni yellows are probably a better option, however do not have the same height adjustability (unless machined), you also have to buy springs for them, which depending on what you buy may not have the same "longetivity" as your koni yellows. So when u weigh up the 900 for konis, plus however much your springs are, and you probably wont want the cheaper kings or kmacs so ur looking in excess of $350-$400.

It comes down to a matter of preferance, i was in the same situation a few months back and these were my two options. Basically i chose tein basics because i heard many reviews FROM ACCORD CD5 OWNERS who highly reccomended these products, and that influenced my decision.
It is really up to you, teins are good in cd5's i am happy with my product cheap an reliable service so make a decision and stick with it, because everyone will have varying opinions.

[CB7_OWNER]

Late last year I paid $850 for four Koni yellows (i.e. 'Sports') to suit CB7/CD5. RRP is I think $950, but you can do better with some arm twisting. I sourced mine through AutoOne, I think the importer is Proven Products.





If you wanted say an approximately 3cm lowering (below what is possible with the lowest ride height setting groove provided with the unmodded Koni damper), then you'd have an additional groove machined 3cm below the lowest existing groove (and while you were at it you might as well machine a few more between the new and existing grooves to provide more options).





Im goner get some koni shippped to Aust $600aud.. off ebay in 1-2weeks.. i'll let you guys know if it comes in 1 piece -.-

as for the 3cm drop... thats only on stock springs right?

as aftermarket springs (ordered neuspeed sports), alone give approx 1.5-2" drop..

[Feverpitched]

I don't know what the fuss is about. Everything I've bought from the US, mostly through flea-bay, has come intact and as described.

You'd be a fool to not make the most of the great exchange rate right now.

[Riviera]

i know how good is the exchange rate lol its like 91cents

[Feverpitched]

It was 94 cents when I bought my DSLR a month ago. Compared to 70 odd cents when I bought extractors for my old car a couple of years ago...

[FAT VTI]

yeah, I am still quite weary of ebay international. I don't like spending anymore than $500 on ebay.

I'd much prefer buying from an actual performance shop in the us.

Either way u go, try and get a tracking number!!!!!!

[JohnL]

as for the 3cm drop... thats only on stock springs right? as aftermarket springs (ordered neuspeed sports), alone give approx 1.5-2" drop..

When I said 3cm lowering I only intended it as an arbitrary example of what could be done with any given spring (stock length or shortened) by machining additional perch grooves into the the shock body, i.e. with X spring you could lower the body by 3cm by machining a perch groove 3cm lower on the damper body.

There is a 'coil-over' available in the States for CB/CD Accords called the 'Super Cup Kit' that comprises Koni yellow dampers and Neuspeed springs.

I plucked this from some web site:

"NEUSPEED's Super Cup Kit provides a great ride and superior handling. This kit includes a complete set of NEUSPEED Race Springs. Our Race Springs are made in Germany by ISO 9002 certified spring-winding specialists. NEUSPEED Race Springs reduce body roll during cornering and front end dive under heavy braking. All NEUSPEED springs carry a limited lifetime warranty. In addition, this kit includes a complete set of NEUSPEED/Koni Sport dampers. They feature 5 ride height adjustment grooves (allows ±14mm of height adjustment), external rebound damping adjustment, and Koni's limited lifetime warranty. Notes No substitutions allowed for this kit.Kit includes the following:

1 - 55.20.34 NEUSPEED Race Spring Kit

2 - 8041-1167SP3

2 - 8041-1168SP3

Ingall's Camber Correction kit is highly recommended with this kit.

Details
Price: $575.00"

If you were intending to be importing from the USA then this might be a very good thing to have a look at. My understanding is that the Konis included in this kit have a custom valving that differs from the 'stock' Koni yellow valving.

The springs are probably lowering springs ("camber kit recommended"), I don't know what the drop might be (or range of drop from stock considering the 28mm of ride height adjustment range possible with this 'kit').

[FAT VTI]

i was wondering, would the coupe have different suspension components to the 4 door?

alot of the us stuff is made for the coupes, was wondering whether springs and shocks etc would fit onto australian 4 doors or ex.

[Feverpitched]

^ I'm betting that the suspension will be the same. All listings I have found for the Accord in the US have been for four door and coupe variants. Just don't get the wagon rear suspension bits.

[Eclipsor]

I don't think the neuspeed koni's have different valving. Just some extra grooves machined. Not really worth the excess you pay for them.

All 90-97 suspension should be interchangeable. ie. it should bolt up fine. However, there seem to be some differences in the ride height you get from some springs in the different models.

[CB7_OWNER]

The Neuspeed Race springs that come with Super Cup Kit are give approx a 2.2" drop all four corners...

And many US CB owner's(not sure if i can list that site) belief that the Neuspeed+Koni Sport combo are best for accords, even superior to tein SS coilovers.

[rahul]

hello to the thread starter,

i got koni yellow and eibach sportline from a trader off honda-tech forum. approx 1000 shipped with insurance.
Even spoke to him over the phone before handing out my credit card no! and they came in about 2 weeks.

the ride is absolutely fantastic. comfortable and controlled. the koni yellow's have 2 height settings at the front and 3 at the rear. so you do have height and damper adjustability!

btw the car is cd5.

pm me if you want the details

[FAT VTI]

I don't think the neuspeed koni's have different valving. Just some extra grooves machined. Not really worth the excess you pay for them.

All 90-97 suspension should be interchangeable. ie. it should bolt up fine. However, there seem to be some differences in the ride height you get from some springs in the different models.

Suspension for Accord wagons (aerodeck or wateva) cannot be used on accord sedans, feverpitched is correct.
this was the main reason i asked the question regarding the coupes, as i was unsure if because the wagon was different, the coupe may have also been different.

I'd love to have an accord coupe in australia :cool:

[FAT VTI]

hello to the thread starter,

i got koni yellow and eibach sportline from a trader off honda-tech forum. approx 1000 shipped with insurance.
Even spoke to him over the phone before handing out my credit card no! and they came in about 2 weeks.

the ride is absolutely fantastic. comfortable and controlled. the koni yellow's have 2 height settings at the front and 3 at the rear. so you do have height and damper adjustability!

btw the car is cd5.

pm me if you want the details

Sounds like you got a good deal. theres far better way of paying internationally than using your credit card!. I would of done a direct debit or told him to get a paypal address.

[Eclipsor]

Suspension for Accord wagons (aerodeck or wateva) cannot be used on accord sedans, feverpitched is correct.
this was the main reason i asked the question regarding the coupes, as i was unsure if because the wagon was different, the coupe may have also been different.

I'd love to have an accord coupe in australia :cool:

How are the wagons different apart from the height/rate of the springs in the rear? The coupe and sedan are definitely interchangeable.

[rahul]

Sounds like you got a good deal. theres far better way of paying internationally than using your credit card!. I would of done a direct debit or told him to get a paypal address.

i think direct debit is a bit more riskier. i dont think the banks are too willing to give your money back if something goes wrong. i was too lazy to go through payal :D

[040501912]

REAR is a bit longer :p so you have to custom made ur Rear arm to put the wagon susp..ssoo its a bit pain in the ass really.

[Xplodin]

how low do the d2's go for a cd5? anybody got any pics with the lowest setting?

This is not the lowest setting but i recon i've got about another 2 inches left to go down.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/Xplodin/Misc%20Stuff/AccordAfternoon.jpg

[CB7_OWNER]

Ordered Neuspeed Sport Springs, about 1.5 weeks ago off ebay...got em delivered today in perfect condition. 350aud shipped, insured, tracking

[Riviera]

fk yea bags getting some... what are you going to do about shockies??

[CB7_OWNER]

Goner get Koni Yellow's off ebay as well =)

[Riviera]

i know theyre different springs but did you consider getting the Super Cup kit?

with teh race springs and shockies>???

[CB7_OWNER]

Yeh i did consider...but i figured it was cheaper via ebay...but after more research regarding the sport springs vs race springs.. i found out that they both settle to almost the same height -_-..

The only reason i got the sport springs, is because i didn't want such an agressive drop....even though it turns out now.. it would have been the same as race springs =.=,

[Riviera]

as long as its legal i suppose, whats the ebay link??? i couldnt seem to find it

[CB7_OWNER]

This is the guy i bought them off ( biggest ebay risk i have ever taken, thankfully it paid off ; the guy only had 31 feedback when i purchased from him:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Neuspeed-Sport-Springs-Honda-Accord-All-90-93_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247Q QcategoryZ33582QQihZ015QQitemZ250238458927QQrdZ1QQ sspagenameZWD1V

[Riviera]

wow im pretty bllind lol delete this if u wantr mods lol geez see u in he morning whopps....