which sub is better? pioneer vs alpine

[pihlor]

currently i got a pioneer tsw121spl and i dont know why but i dont really like the sound it gives out i was thinking bout selling it 2 a mate and buying a alpine type r 12 sub with enclosure at jb

here are the specs for the pioneer
pioneer tsw121spl
12 inch Subwoofer for Enclosure Applications
2,000 Watts Max. Power Handling
3-Layer Fibre Woven Radial Surround
Dual 4 ohm Voice Coil Windings
Silver Binding-post Terminals
DESIGN & SPECIFICATIONS
12" Subwoofer for Enclosure Applications
2,000 Watts Max. Power Handing
750 Watts Nominal Rating
Qts = 0.328
Xmax = 12.7mm
Fs = 29.9 Hz
Vas = 34.53 litres
Frequency Response: 18 – 2,000 Hz
Efficiency: 89dB
Impedance: 2 or 8 ohms
Lowest Resonant Frequency: 30Hz
Recommended Sealed Enclosure: 42.5 Litres

and here are the specs for the type r

Power Handling

* Power Handling Capacity (Peak) : 1500W

* Power Handling Capacity (RMS) : 500W


General

* Diaphragm Material : Kevlar Reinforced Pulp

* Spider Material : Nomex

* Frequency Response : 23Hz - 500Hz


i kno the pioneer has more power but i reckon the alpine sounds better what do you guys think? the amp i got is the response 1000 rms mono block so that should fit in fine im asuming
thanks for ur help:):)

[Dray_Templar]

earthquake hehe :p

[ej20i]

a mate just bought the alpine type r 12" with enclosure at jb....by serzly...that sub rocks...
he replaced his old dual 15" rockford P1 with the single 12" Type R...it is much better, clearer bass...its awesome...recomended man..the sound playing in the store is not even close on how good it is when its in ur car...remember...JB's store is always big

[rice_civic]

go down to some specialist stores and ask expert opinions. for the price there is many other options out there. but none are likely to sound incredible, it is entry level stuff. you might also be able to save yourself the hassle by changing some of the settings on your amp as that is where you will probably notice the most difference.

[si55sy]

the type Rs are awesome, or if you could find them, JL Audio W series

[Magic_box_australia]

Type R's are great. Heaps of our customers have gone for it for their fibreglass boxes.

[EuroDude]

Personally I would avoid the Japanese mumbo jumbo and go for something decent like JL Audio

Out of those two, probably Alpine, since Pioneer (and Sony etc..) manufacture thousands of other products and wouldnt be dedicated to car audio like Alpine is.

[tron07]

Jl W7.... Ftw

[EuroDude]

Jl W7.... Ftw

True but u need a monster Amp to run it lol

[integraz]

yes for $2000 they better be awesome.

You don't need a monster amp, maybe 1000W will be fine. 1000WRMS-2000WRMS amps these days are easy to find.

They drop low though.

[deezsta87]

alpine ftw!
my friend has a type s 12" and it does the job
but ur better off getting type r 12"
u can bridge that baby for ear bleeding bass

[GTR RECARO]

had them both b4 and they are very comparible equal but all comes down to where they are made japan or???

[rice_civic]

both of them are mass produced and you will be having trouble to notice a difference. don't look at mainstream stuff unless you want it to look cool rather than sound good. yeah a type r sub has a pretty symbol in it that you can impress morons with but you will be disappointed if you expect it to radically change the sound of your entire system. best bet is get down to a car audio specialist, where they actually install stereos so they know what things actually sound like in a car. and ask their advice. tell them your budget and they will be more helpful than JB ever would be. Im not sure if the JB stores over east are the same as the ones here in WA though. if you want to make the most difference to your overall sound get a good set of splits. can get a nice set for the cost of a type r sub

[rice_civic]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Image-dynamics-ID-MAX-D2-12-inch-subwoofer-IDMAX-12-D2_W0QQitemZ250239395703QQihZ015QQcategoryZ130679Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

read any review on an image dynamics"(as in link). even better. go on caraudioaustralia.com and ask them which they would go for out of that or a type r. similar price although this is second hand.

[EuroDude]

yeah go and have a listen to them. Dont buy the Type-R just because you wish you drove a Type-R :p

[Coldie]

Go the JL W7's if you can afford it - The ultimate. I have 2 X 12" (1 ported - 1 sealed) and can not fault them - sensational! They look really clean when mounted also.

[rice_civic]

yeah um. i think you will find that the budget for a w7 is a bit different to the budget mentioned here. if you wanna brag make a thread about it.

[pihlor]

had them both b4 and they are very comparible equal but all comes down to where they are made japan or???

well the pioneer is made in mexico and the alpine is made in china im assuming

[pihlor]

i went to a car audio shop and now theres the kicker L7 thats pretty good and he is willing to do a good price ive already herd both subs b4 cos i got one of em and my cuz has the other mine is the more powerful sub than the type r but the type r sound much better also my amp more more powerfull than his as well i dont care if they are mass produced and all that crap my price range is like no more than 500 for the sub cos im saving up for my next car (accord euro :P)