sr20de ... amongst other questions

[matchuk]

im sure this has to be answered somewhere but i cant seem to find it but why do so many people consider n15 sss beating so many cars out there. The sr20de has only 107kw... might have a larger powerband and lower end torque but still shouldnt be as fast as people claim it is. The sss is great car for value and after market support but i just cant seem to find why the engine is so hyped about ...

also another thing wat is a fair price for a 2nd hand dc5r around 50-90k i am looking for one assuming i land this job im after

thanks in advance note im not starting a flame war, please dont turn this to a honda vs nissan or b series vs sr20de...

[JasonGilholme]

its similiar to why people hype over the b16a.

cause they're smaller engines that performe really well.

Plain and simple

[matchuk]

b16a is an awesome engine 120 kw or something for a 1.6

sr20de is like ... 2.0 107...

[JasonGilholme]

b16 is about 118 at the fly wheel.

don't know anything regarding the SR (apart from being a 2 litre).

B16 really needs a light shell to do any damage on big capacity engines (5.7 litres upwards). but putting a b16 in an EG isn't exactly hard. lol

[aowwllan]

Agreed with both of you,

its just the people who own sss's talk it up.. well thats what ive seen.

no harm done. but just annoys the shit outta me

FULLY SICK BRO

[JDM.Power]

yeah sss are alrite. its the people that own em, talks it up like the person above me said so to.

no idea why they pick on a car that has less capacity than them, why dont they pick on a s2000 2ltr? or a dc5r?

ive seen a few sss talking it up that they beat b16a and 4age 20valve..
but when they take it to the drag strip..and when the clutch drops the bullshit stops.

if it was the sr16ve or the other vvt sr2XX engines.. they are machine.

[V73C]

I personally dont have much interest in the SR20de's, but there has been afew thats been modify with good gains.

i own a VZR. with the SR16ve motor, and i wouldnt say its that fast at all, the VZR weighs 1120kgs, while the EG weighs 1060kgs, as u can see theres a pretty good power to weigh ratio there for the EG.
toque wise, the SR16 shits all over the SR20de and the B16a, but then again, the EG is light, thus meaning it evens it out again.

SR20de parts are reasonable cheap, and go pretty well with a turbo setup, thats probably why the hype is so up there as u say.
but nothing that a B16a turbo cant achieve.
which then also comes down to personal choice.

im a honda and nissan fan, so i dont really care, it depends what was in the market for me at the time, i cudve gotten something else but this was a rare find, so i had to get it.

[turbo convert]

hype over sr20?????
Not sure about that but ppl just hype up the fact they have the SR20DET rather than the CA18DET...

[aaronng]

b16a is an awesome engine 120 kw or something for a 1.6

sr20de is like ... 2.0 107...

You are looking at only peak numbers. Peak numbers don't tell you much other than for bragging rights.

Anything below peak RPM and the SR20DE makes more torque (and hence power)

[rpm boy]

B16 faster in an ek or an eg, and theres no point turboing a sss as you cant get a lsd for it, my friend has one when i had my em1 and couldnt get newhere near me, especially if it was from a stationery take off , besides when ur racing someone ur not using the low end torque ur using the high end revs which is where a vtec is king and every gear change ur in vtec so u have the hi cam torque and the revs to match

[aaronng]

^^ where was this race?

[Zilli]

SR20 is a great motor, very versatile, ballsy responsive and have great aftermarket support... very resiliant too. What i think lets them down in a sss is the weight and the gear ratios... but i do have respect for the motor.

[grumpy rooster]

.....theres no point turboing a sss as you cant get a lsd for it.....

Do you want me to list them? ;)

And I think SHW70Y will agree, even an NA SR20 in a SSS can be quick. a 14.3 on crappy street tyres is very respectable. In fact, I think it is the 2nd fastest NA FWD time by a non Honda. And that is with the standard unmodified ECU. No LSD, no gearing changes.

[rpm boy]

ok my bad... as far as i knew which wasnt much cause im not that bigger fan of them but its still power to weight which is in hondas favour

[V73C]

SR20 is a great motor, very versatile, ballsy responsive and have great aftermarket support... very resiliant too. What i think lets them down in a sss is the weight and the gear ratios... but i do have respect for the motor.

yep i agree, weight and gear ratios lets em down a lil bit. i remember my brothers EG6 2nd gear reaching 90km/h, while my pulsar is going to 100km/h.
which means i got a longer gear ratio. but other than that, 5th gear is the same as the EG6, sitting at 3000rpm on 100km/h

[applio]

the SR20DE is pretty good engine i rekon,

the JDM S15 non turbo verion came with SR20DE "red cover" verison which pump out 138kw AT fly wheel.

[dsp26]

B16 faster in an ek or an eg, and theres no point turboing a sss as you cant get a lsd for it, my friend has one when i had my em1 and couldnt get newhere near me, especially if it was from a stationery take off , besides when ur racing someone ur not using the low end torque ur using the high end revs which is where a vtec is king and every gear change ur in vtec so u have the hi cam torque and the revs to match

this is one of the most unknowledgable posts i've ever read... sounds like something a kid who has never owned anything else would say....

[V73C]

B16 faster in an ek or an eg, and theres no point turboing a sss as you cant get a lsd for it, my friend has one when i had my em1 and couldnt get newhere near me, especially if it was from a stationery take off , besides when ur racing someone ur not using the low end torque ur using the high end revs which is where a vtec is king and every gear change ur in vtec so u have the hi cam torque and the revs to match

buddy u need to do ur research, who says u cant get an LSD for a pulsar ???

and the staying in vtec part, dont u ever think and balance out the situation, the SR20 has more toque thru the whole rev range, meaning the power delivery wudnt change much.

[NightKids]

Let's chuck this into the mix:-

Mirage Cyborg R 1.6 Mivec engine

engine - type 4G92
type: transverse in-line 4
bore x stroke: 81.0 x 77.5
capacity: 1597cc
valve train: dohc 16v with MIVEC
compression ratio: 11.0:1
fuel system: (Mitsubishi) multi-point fuel injection

power: 175ps at 7500rpm
torque: 17.0kgm at 7000rpm

Mirage has a lighter body than a SiR & a more powerful engine but loses to the Civic? Just doesn't make sense.... what went wrong?

Source:- http://asia.vtec.net/side/cyborg/

[dsp26]

Mirage has a lighter body than a SiR & a more powerful engine but loses to the Civic? Just doesn't make sense.... what went wrong?

Source:- http://asia.vtec.net/side/cyborg/

didn't perform the way it did on paper...

[dsp26]

buddy u need to do ur research, who says u cant get an LSD for a pulsar ???

and the staying in vtec part, dont u ever think and balance out the situation, the SR20 has more toque thru the whole rev range, meaning the power delivery wudnt change much.

not just that.. he completely missed the point and has never driven any other vehicle for long enough...

naturally you would launch a car with more torque differently to one that makes peak hp.

having owned and worked on both engines... nothing i tried for my sr20 works for the b16a and vice versa... and that doesn't even include all the variables like gearbox, etc...

man try launching a 5.7l v8 the way you launch a vtec and vice versa.... v8 will lose traction in a split second... vtec will bog...

[rpm boy]

this is one of the most unknowledgable posts i've ever read... sounds like something a kid who has never owned anything else would say....

What else can i say but owned.

let me c ive owned a sss and a civic... civic is better, and as i said b4 i copped the abuse power to weight and someone else said gear ratios hows that?

[cristian]

:D rpm boy gonna get owned...

*sits back, waits for popcrn to cook*

[I heart the SSS]

LOL not another SSS SR20 Thread.

As i've said before, the SSS is a brilliant car. I'm a fanboy, atleast I admitt it. I never talked my old car up. I owned a N14 SSS, FANTASTIC CAR.

The image and appeal of the SSS has been ruined though, through low life dickhead drivers talking shit, bragging that their NA SSS pwnt a 2 jay zee with nasss yo. Just ****ing lame and stupid.

Have a look on PGA at the passes people are making with the little bolt on mods. You'll be surprised.

Then come back and post in this thread, fanboy or not, and post your opinions.

With simple I/H/E the engine really comes to life. Then add other things into the mix such as injectors, cams, tranny etc they end up becoming awesome little warriors.

My two cents

[rpm boy]

i think im going to change my user name to owned . but all i was trying to say was that having owned both of the cars the civic was the better all round combination, speed and handling although it dosnt have as much torque it still was the faster of the 2, if someone would like to explain it so i dont get owned please do so

[V73C]

mate, theres always pro's and cons to both sides of story.
do go blabbing on unless u know for sure.

u sure u didnt own a GA16 pulsar and mistaked it with ur SSS stickers ?

[dsp26]

i think im going to change my user name to owned . but all i was trying to say was that having owned both of the cars the civic was the better all round combination, speed and handling although it dosnt have as much torque it still was the faster of the 2, if someone would like to explain it so i dont get owned please do so

we know what your getting at so it's all good.

but let me put it in better terms...

if an eg has a b18c7 producing 98wkw and another eg with a b16a has 98wkw (everything else the same, gb, weight, driver, etc...) the b18 will always win.. why? torque... what others are trying to say is HP don't mean anything...

but when you say "faster of the 2", it's very subjective unless you see it on a timeslip...

another example assuming equal, weight, driver, etc...
sr20 w/ 90wkw versus b16a with peaky 95wkw.... still could go either way... depends how either was launched.

personally if you put it in ypur terms, the eg civic is a better package for the price since sss are overpriced like corollas/civics.... i on the other hand had an nx coupe which was cheaper than those cars combined and had plenty moolah left to fix the poor things with sussy/engine mods etc...

The most even playing field in terms of power/torque/weight and powerband is sss/teg gsi



u sure u didnt own a GA16 pulsar and mistaked it with ur SSS stickers ?
lol you'd know... gaY16 is the worst of the 1.6l lot... not even a performance engine.... exels own them....

[matchuk]

think this thread heading wrong direction what i wanted to know is why the sr20de is such a good motor and can compete with b16a's when the difference is like 20 something kws... and 1.6 is alot nicer on fuel effeciency...

also having drive a 4th gen vtir lude daily the lower end lack of torque isnt a problem for racing ... like the gearbox is so well tuned if u shift at 8-8.2 u land just at start of vtec or powerband...

so u rarely need the bottom end torque

[02gzm]

Getting back to the original post i think it's more the fact that people tend to put pulsars and civics in the same category due to their similarities in size and shape (hatch/sedan). And when people think of the better models in the range they think SSS and VTi-R (in the aust market anyway).

Once we have gotten this far we start to get to the heart of the cars which brings us back to the SR20 vs B16 debate.

I consider both to be great engines and they can both be built up very well, which includes strapping a snail to them.

Another point that was brought up is why the SR20 isn't normally compared to the K20. I think this comes back to what i originally said about the size and shape points. Another reason why DC5R's and SSS's aren't normally compared is; an integra was made to be a sports car, so people would find it easier to compare it to say, the SR20 redtop jdm S15 that Applio mentioned as both were built to be sports cars.

Even though pulsars and civics have sports models and both are awesome cars, at heart they were never originally built to be a sports car.

I hope that makes sense. I'm kinda tired atm. You should get the gist of it though

[GSi_PSi]

a good match up would be integra gsi vs SSS...an i can honestly say ive beaten 2 n14 SSS and 1 N15 SSS...so in all honda n/a > nissan n/a

[Mingy]

the SR20DE is pretty good engine i rekon,

the JDM S15 non turbo verion came with SR20DE "red cover" verison which pump out 138kw AT fly wheel.

LOL you mean Autech Version? 6-Speed, 147kw @ 214N-m. Excellent NA engines IMO.

[SHW.70Y]

Do you want me to list them? ;)

And I think SHW70Y will agree, even an NA SR20 in a SSS can be quick. a 14.3 on crappy street tyres is very respectable. In fact, I think it is the 2nd fastest NA FWD time by a non Honda. And that is with the standard unmodified ECU. No LSD, no gearing changes.

cheers darren
dont be hating the ole sr20de its a great motor imho , hasnt let me down and performs quiet well with the right mods

[autech]

im sure this has to be answered somewhere but i cant seem to find it but why do so many people consider n15 sss beating so many cars out there. The sr20de has only 107kw... might have a larger powerband and lower end torque but still shouldnt be as fast as people claim it is. The sss is great car for value and after market support but i just cant seem to find why the engine is so hyped about ...

also another thing wat is a fair price for a 2nd hand dc5r around 50-90k i am looking for one assuming i land this job im after

thanks in advance note im not starting a flame war, please dont turn this to a honda vs nissan or b series vs sr20de...


yeah sss are alrite. its the people that own em, talks it up like the person above me said so to.

no idea why they pick on a car that has less capacity than them, why dont they pick on a s2000 2ltr? or a dc5r?

ive seen a few sss talking it up that they beat b16a and 4age 20valve..
but when they take it to the drag strip..and when the clutch drops the bullshit stops.

if it was the sr16ve or the other vvt sr2XX engines.. they are machine.


My Autech Pulsar SR20DE Produces 185flywheel HP from factory.

On the dyno dead stock ive mae around 107wheelkw on average.

I recently bolted on a set of stainless headers and retained the factory 1.75inch exhaust and was easily able to pull away from DC2 Type R's through 3rd gear. Keep in mind i run a 4.4 final drive and have LSD from the factory as standard equipment.

I think you guys tend to hate the SR because of the noobs that come with it. Once a few guys start getting their act together here - and putting together a good well setup (well thought about) engine package will be giving us some really enjoyable close track battles.

Hell ive heard of Horror tuners getting shabby results - and they contintaully sit there and spin shit as to why the SR20DE doesnt make power. Its generally because they have no clue what their doing. Putting together a hot SR motor is easy if you get some brains behind it. 120-125wheel KW is an easily obtainable figure on the stock inlet manifold - but again noob tuners cant get results even with Quads etc.

[SHW.70Y]

My Autech Pulsar SR20DE Produces 185flywheel HP from factory.

On the dyno dead stock ive mae around 107wheelkw on average.

I recently bolted on a set of stainless headers and retained the factory 1.75inch exhaust and was easily able to pull away from DC2 Type R's through 3rd gear. Keep in mind i run a 4.4 final drive and have LSD from the factory as standard equipment.

I think you guys tend to hate the SR because of the noobs that come with it. Once a few guys start getting their act together here - and putting together a good well setup (well thought about) engine package will be giving us some really enjoyable close track battles.

Hell ive heard of Horror tuners getting shabby results - and they contintaully sit there and spin shit as to why the SR20DE doesnt make power. Its generally because they have no clue what their doing. Putting together a hot SR motor is easy if you get some brains behind it. 120-125wheel KW is an easily obtainable figure on the stock inlet manifold - but again noob tuners cant get results even with Quads etc.


i no who that was directed at , and in his defence all im gonna say is look at my car ;)

[autech]

i no who that was directed at , and in his defence all im gonna say is look at my car ;)

Well it actually wasnt at him - it was aimed at a rather large sydney tuner who proclaims to be an SR specialist.

The yanks have been doing what youve done for years - its no secret formula.

[SHW.70Y]

Well it actually wasnt at him - it was aimed at a rather large sydney tuner who proclaims to be an SR specialist.

The yanks have been doing what youve done for years - its no secret formula.

champ , if theres any problem i will pm u my number and we can discuss it over the phone dont back track on your words as they were pretty direct and specific

[autech]

champ , if theres any problem i will pm u my number and we can discuss it over the phone dont back track on your words as they were pretty direct and specific


Maybe your taking this too seriously?