SRI in carby GL?

[MWAKU]

Where's it go? Anyone got pictures to show me? Can you even put intake in a carby engine?

What are the modifications you can do to a carby on a low budget?

[SPEEDCORE]

Don't bother doing anything to that engine.

[V73C]

i think u'll notice carby doesnt like that fact of air being rammed into them, or even the treatment of getting cold air into em.
dont bother man, its useless

[MWAKU]

ok thanks. what about an exhaust lol?

[EKVTIR-T]

You thought you bought a Gli didn't you but realised it's a Gl.
Weren't you going to return it?
You can put a pod on that motor if you really want to but you wont be getting any real power increase.Same with an exhaust.

[TheSaint]

dont bother, get a GLI or do a B16a2 / b18c transplant

all other money spent on it will be useless

carby civics are only good for 2 things: normal ppl that dont modify etc and engine transplant/project cars

when we were shopping for our GLI the difference between even the carby and EFI models were pretty big even though they are still only 1.5 sohc motors, EFI made a huge difference in how smooth the car ran and it was much easier to modify to squeeze a bit more fuel econ/power out of it (not so much power lol)

even than i got similar fuel economy on my b18c integra than what we do on the 1.5 EFI civic, you wouldnt beleive how far we get on $50 worth of caltex vortex (not 98) its astonishing

[teh_mechanic]

you will see very minimal power gains from any exhaust work on that engine.
if its just for sound,i used to have a cannon on my twin carb and it sounded very nice.much different to the efi gli



You can put a pod on that motor if you really want to but you wont be getting any real power increase.Same with an exhaust.

and no,do not work out a way to put a pod on your carby engine,unless you are in the bussiness of flushing hp down the drain

[MWAKU]

yea i got a twin carb. so should i just go get a cannon tip, or the whole exhaust with catback?

and yeah. im from NSW, and i don't think there was any3 day cooling off period? and if there was, this was the day. im at uni atm, no time. but yeah. guess im stuck with a box of shat hey guys? sigh. i wanted to refund it so bad.

i'm only gonna need it for one year anyways i guess. just to get around uni and the gf thats about it. when i get my greens im gonna sell it off for a ripoff to some guy who wants a civic, mean to say but, gotta get some money. hopefully the civic market will increase in price. xD gonna buy an EFI after one year, hopefully ill find a bargain. guess im jsut gunna do cosmetics for this car. thanks.

[EKVTIR-T]

you will see very minimal power gains from any exhaust work on that engine.
if its just for sound,i used to have a cannon on my twin carb and it sounded very nice.much different to the efi gli



and no,do not work out a way to put a pod on your carby engine,unless you are in the bussiness of flushing hp down the drain

Really?ok.
My friend was happy with how his gl motor ran by removing the rear panel filter and using a pod style setup.
It actually felt pretty good for such low hp..
Each to their own hey.

[teh_mechanic]

yea i got a twin carb. so should i just go get a cannon tip, or the whole exhaust with catback?


since your not really going to get any gains from a whole system,its a bit of a waste of money when the cannon can get a similar sound,so yeah id just do that if i were you with this engine


Really?ok.
My friend was happy with how his gl motor ran by removing the rear panel filter and using a pod style setup.
It actually felt pretty good for such low hp..
Each to their own hey.

the circular/rectangle panel filters that go around the carby are there for a reason,thats how carbies like to breath,they like sucking air in from all around them,if it felt good in your mates car,then cool,but for mwaku- your not going to get any gains from it.probably made a pretty different sound though,never tried it myself

[TheSaint]

no flame intended but wouldnt a canon on a motor/car like that just be/sound shit?

i know if i saw a gl with a canon i would be shaking my head =/

wouldnt u be better off saving your money?

also do K+N make panel style filters for this car? might be worth a look at

[teh_mechanic]

some ppl like the sound.doesnt have to be a big shiny 5 inch outlet cannon.i had a 2 inch one pretty much tucked right up under the rear bar on my twin carb eg.sounded good,for $40 lol. makes a nice crisp sound on the carby engines,not dull and doughy like a huge cannon on an efi civic

[An41]

isnt the EG you got auto, please dont get a cannon, if you really have to then just something that isnt too loud and stands out.

[teh_mechanic]

ok, i think ppl have the wrong idea here.lets substitute the word cannon with a more free flowing muffler.no performance gain,but a deeper non gay non ricer sound

[MWAKU]

yeah, i guess so. can someone direct me to where i can look at that panel kn air thingo whatever lol!

[I heart the SSS]

Try two mushroom style bike filters on the carb heads.

Or Keihin(sp?) velocity stacks (trumpets)

[TheSaint]

ok, i think ppl have the wrong idea here.lets substitute the word cannon with a more free flowing muffler.no performance gain,but a deeper non gay non ricer sound

isnt that the noise putting a canon on a little car like that makes anyway

and being that changing the exhaust on a car like this would have no positive effects at all wouldnt that make it a 'rice' modification?

juss trying to help the poor little fellow on his path to higher jdmism

[rayb3na_]

ur cars auto.. exhaust on an auto = noob lol IMO im not burning you man.. but seriously if it was advertised as a GLi and u ended up with a GL take the car back false advertising take em to court etc..

[panda[cRx]]

save your money for other things man

a gl is not worth modifying at all. use the money for other things, or your next car

[MWAKU]

It was advertised as an Si. How much to take em 2 court. Wanna spray the dealer down. F4GS

Yeah dw about exhaust at all then, just cosmetics for sure now :| save for next years car :P

[EKVTIR-T]

Definately get legal advice mate.
Do you have copies of the advertisement available?

[MWAKU]

Nope. In the bin. The paper/agreement/contract or whatever i got from the car, it says Si, well actually SI or Sl, to though. The ad may be lurking, but i doubt i'd find it.

Yeah my cousin told me, theres a free call service or someshit. Anyone can help me with some legal advice

[EKVTIR-T]

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/

^Start here I guess.
And don't lose the "paper" you have stating it as an SI.

[MWAKU]

Yeah i've had a look in there. Didn't find much. Well my dad holding on it, he had it out lastnight, filling out the change of names form. Will be keeping that form i suppose, its got all the agreements and warranty shit on it, that there car comes with no warranty according to the motor dealers act 1978 or something, due to its year or some bla bla, so i highly doubt we'll loose that.

But yeah, court fee is gunna be a betch and sheet, =\ What am i gunna get out of this?

I remember my cousin broke his finger on the trolley rack on his first day of work, cause they tipped over. He sued with a free lawyer thingo service, said in court that he was feeling depressed from his finger, couldn't do things or something, and he got couple thousand from it.

[EKVTIR-T]

Man if I was you I would be really pursuing it.Sounds like you can't even be bothered?

Under advertising section;
It is illegal for a trader to:

* mislead or deceive the customer

If you're broke try legal aid or one of those no win no pay firms.

[MWAKU]

Yeah i'll look into it. I'm just thinking how much will i have to pay for the court and all that, for a 5k car lol. But yeah, i'll look into those aid thingos soon, I'm taking it to the dealer so they can fix my gearbox tomorrow tho/

[TheSaint]

even when you pay a good lawyer, if you win the person at fault has to pay the court than your lawyer applies for a sum from the courts

so really it wouldnt cost much at all, even if you threaten the company you bought the car off with legal action u might get somewhere just with them, according to the trading act if the product description or what you were lead to believe the product is/does at the time of sale is different to what the product actually is/does than you are entitled to a full refund no questions asked (trust me i work in computer sales and we do training on this shit)

it will have the make etc of the car on the transfer papers, dont just 'settle' for what you have because u cant be bothered with it, go gett your money back mate, it wont be hard

also i suggest you do a little research about what makes of car have what features/motor and learn to identify them before you make another purchase, mainly learn what the different honda motors look like and where to find the actual motor numbers and make numbers if you are in doubt

also learn what modifications you can and cant do on different models as well

[MWAKU]

I'm heading down to the car dealers today, and there supposed 2 be fixing my gearbox. Should i bring it up? And i've done some damage to the car..

[TheSaint]

well you will have to get the damage fixed

and YES bring it up...

say that the car is not what you were made to beleive it is at the point of sale and if an arrangement for refund is not made than you will seek legal advice on the matter

a GL has a 1.5 carby engine and a SI has a dohc 1.6 engine

here is a model listing:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72623

do you know how to tell the difference from SOHC and DOHC??

i really do hope you make a serious effort to fix all of this =/

this is actually the third person i have helped out after they have bought a civic thinking it was somthing that it actually wasnt, im not saying its bad, i actually enjoy helping people get the right car for them, but you guys have to really start learning some simple things before going off and buying cars

we need a honda buying guide or something, quick easy ways to tell the ACTUAL model, motor, differences etc dohc/sohc, tacho, pwr options, airbags, easy ways to tell about modifications etc

once i show people what to look for they usually get a really sweet car at a nice price too =)

[MWAKU]

So i didn't go to the dealer today, i went to the mechanics where he was getting it fixed, so yeah. You think i should go down there like when i get my car back, with written paper, like GL instead of Si, write down all the specs, the differences? Will it be too late? Because the dealer guy is some fat ****, and his very arrogant and i really can't say shit to him, whatever i say, he chucks it back in my face.

For example, the transmission, his like, we all drove it, we all were fine, and now were getting it fixed, if you didn't like it, you wouldn't have bought it.

But in this instance I'm talking about false advertisement, and he will ask for proof how i know its a GL not an Si maybe? I'll bring down the paper where it says its an SI. I know his gonna say some arrogant shit, and i feel like a small boy talking to him. I need to go with someone who knows there stuff =[

I remember on the day of sale, i thought it was a GLi, i didn't knw, but i knew obviously it wasn't an Si, I brought it up to one of the salesmen, i go, this aint an Si, but it was advertised as an Si. And he shrugged his shoulders, cause he didn't know anything about the actual car. Will this be used against me, because i had slight knowledge that it wasn't the motor that was advertised? Or should i just lie and say, oh well i asked him, but he shrugged his head, so i guess it was an Si. Make pretend i don't know anything?

[rayb3na_]

want me to come down?

[EKVTIR-T]

Take some mates with you that have a good knowledge of honda's or cars in general to explain the SI and Gl.
But try not be smartass when talking with them even though they sound obviously a bit dodgy.Try to keep cool.
Make sure you tell them that you will be calling the department of fair trading to report the case.
Good luck

[TheSaint]

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[MWAKU]

EG4 \ GLi as well, i though it might be GLi, wouldn;t have been 2 bad if it was.

Btw thankyou all for all your help, my rep point would work :{.

[TheSaint]

in that case i wouldnt bother going to see the dealer

get legal advice ASAP

the difference between dohc and sohc

SOHC
http://got-jdm.com/images/D15BOBD1%20NON%20VTEC.jpg

DOHC
http://got-jdm.com/images/b16a2_nice.jpg

also there is a plate under in the engine bay near the place where u open the latch to open the bonnet, it says what the model number of the car is and what year it was made

EG4 (GL/later model Breeze)
EG5 (Si/Vti)

do some homework and prepare some papers, dont mention too much about the exact things said during the sale, only the facts that it was advertised as an Si, you were sold the car under the pretence that it was an Si, when in fact it wasnt

you have a very strong case, i have spent alot of time in court recently and i would say you have 99% chance of getting yor money back, you may not even have to goto court if you call the trade commission, it clearly states that if you were even hinted that the product would do something other than what you were lead to beleive at the time of sale that it entitles you to a full refund..

so models of car aside, if you were lead to beleive it was a Dohc (Si) and it was actually a Sohc (Gl) than you are entitled to your money back, no questions asked

this is very much enforced in the computer world and there is no reason the level of enforcement will be different for cars

let us know what the lawyers and trade commission have to say and we will advise you from there, also in the mean time do not put any KMs on the car, leave it in your garage in case something else ges wrong with it

[An41]

Man you shouldv'e researched a bit more, bad luck man it was a costly lesson

[cristian]

the sohc pic posted above is a d15b dual carb...

the dohc pic was of a b series...

the si dohc motors should be the same as an EF8...should be a d16zc and looks like this...
http://got-jdm.com/images/zc11.jpg

[An41]

that SOHC engine looks like my old D15B7 motor in my EG which my girlfriend now owns.
Doesn't the Twincarb have a black rocker cover
EDIT:Yes it does http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1658339&postcount=13

EDIT:I stand corrected the SOHC posted is infact a dual carb

[TheSaint]

thanx for finding that pic cristian

people shouldnt rely on the color of a rocker cover to depict carby/EFI or sohc/dohc

we will hear more on the matter soon

[bennjamin]

you are silly for buying a car that is something it isnt ?!?You surely have no ground to stand on dude sorry.

You should of done a REVS check - the Si engine would be D16A8XXXXXXXX , the Gl would be D15BXXXXXXXXX.

[EuroDude]

I wouldnt even bother modding the engine.

The cheapest and easiest way would be to sell the car and spend a little bit more on an Si or Vti of similar condition. If you have mods (such as rims), you can transfer the mods to the new car.

[TheSaint]

yes it was silly

but being advertised that way doesnt help either

legally he should be able to get a refund, and i have been teaching him alot of things to look out for etc for his next purchase

we really do need a guide on this sort of stuff, after dealing with a few of these cases i would be happy to write one

[baeshin]

my car was advertised as a gl and it turnd out to be an si .. can i sue too? lol

[EuroDude]

my car was advertised as a gl and it turnd out to be an si .. can i sue too? lol

The seller would sue you instead! lol

Speaking of which, when I bought my EG civic Si, the seller was like 'yeah it has vtec' blablabla, and I'm like yeah right nice try. Doesnt matter anyway since the 1.6L sohc vtec has virtually the same power as the D16A8 non-vtec dohc engine

[MWAKU]

Ok. Fair trading called me today. What they told me is to go to the dealers and negotiate a price, go there and told me i was advised by fair trading to go down there and settle for a decent price for the GL. He told me if it couldn't get resolved, to call him back, and something about a lawyer too. So yeah. Thats how its going so far . :) :) I'll head down there when i got my car back from the mechanics.