Subwoofer Advice

[Breezy]

Hi guys what sub do you guys recommend, that would pound an eg hatch?

[arverson]

a dd 95 series sub would pound...

whats your budget??

[tron07]

JL Audio 13W7 rocks

[sitta]

dual 12' rockford p1 or single rockford 12" p3. similar to the p3 alpine type r is also good, whats the budget

[rice_civic]

whats the budget? i had a cheapo clarion one in my old civic. running a nice 2 channel amp into it and it went hard. its not so much about the sub as it i about the amp. at the lower end of the scale there is some decent clarion one around or a type r if you want the wank factor of it. as the price goes up the subs get better (ome are alo not any better) but no need to get a 95 series unless you dont plan on being in the car. and a w7 is a waste of 2 grand. its not going to sound 1500 bucks better than a cheapo

[mars_panas]

the old Rockford hx2 2x 10" in a dual ported box....

pumps hard in my Jazz....

[rice_civic]

http://www.ryda.com.au/Clarion-PXW1251-12-Subwoofer-p/pxw1251.htm

cant really go wrong with that. has better sensitivity rating than the type r and is cheaper, power handling is also same. dual 2 ohm coil i what ya would want in a lower end sub too. i say this because i assume you would be after a lower end amp which rules out a big mono. so a bridged 2 channel would be able to handle a 4 ohm load but they don't like anything lower.

[MDL30N]

JL W7 or kicker L7 solobaric:thumbsup:

[arverson]

skip the dd 95xx subs & jl w7 suggestions.. go straight to a dd 99 series sub. this sub can provide if u want something that will POUND.

seriously give us a budget to work with. also inform if that budget is for JUST the sub or for a sub/amp/wiring/installation if needed.

[EuroDude]

choose a JL Audio subby that fits ur price range.

Avoid the common stuff like pioneer, sony, etc...

[MDL30N]

yeah it'll be hard to work something out without a budget...i heard the DD's...awesome subs..

[basszone]

are u after sq or spl type of sub. for sq i have used oz audio gear very good .for spl depending on how hard u want to crank and your bugget u have a wide choice to pick from. pioneer do some spl subs now they have 3 in there range.TS-W2504SPL[2500WATTS]-TS-W3004SPL-[3000WATTS]
TS-W5102SPL[6000WATTS]
then you have digital designs which have just rec the highest spl in usa of 180db
but the sub costs over $5000
other brands .earthquake .cerwin vega . hifonics.treo.atomic.

[EKVTIR-T]

Something that would pound,something American then.
Without a budget its hard but JL or Kicker can "pound".

[arverson]

all the brands mentioned (plus MANY more) have subs costing from low hundred to thousands, comes down to your budget really..

[Breezy]

Ok my budget would be about $800 including mono. Depends, maybe about $300 - 400 on sub and the rest on the mono. Should i spend more on the sub or mono? A 300WRMS sub should be enough in a eg yeah?

[EuroDude]

I was gonna suggest the Audison SRX1D but its a tad too expensive at ~$700

# Bridgeable 1 Channel Output
# 1 Ohm Stable
# Low Pass Crossover
# 1 x 500 Watt @ 4ohms
# 1 x 800 Watt @ 2ohms
# 1 x 1000 Watt @ 1ohms
http://www.audison.eu/index_main.php?Section=SRX1


Maybe u can find a second hand one.. Otherwise I'd go for a Kicker Amp.

Spend about half:half for the Amp+Sub. Make sure the Sub has slightly higher RMS wattage (ignore peak watts) than the Amp so you don't damage anything.

[tron07]

whats the budget? i had a cheapo clarion one in my old civic. running a nice 2 channel amp into it and it went hard. its not so much about the sub as it i about the amp. at the lower end of the scale there is some decent clarion one around or a type r if you want the wank factor of it. as the price goes up the subs get better (ome are alo not any better) but no need to get a 95 series unless you dont plan on being in the car. and a w7 is a waste of 2 grand. its not going to sound 1500 bucks better than a cheapo


lol......

what ever rocks your boat

[rice_civic]

how can you justify spending 2 grand on something that is going to do the same job as a 300 dollar one. you got to remember that this is car audio not home audio and you can only make a tin box sound so good. ive been exposed to some pretty upmarket stereos and they don't sound that much better than cheaper ones i have heard. 2 grand is alot of money to piss away on a sub.

[Vinnie]

how can you justify spending 2 grand on something that is going to do the same job as a 300 dollar one. you got to remember that this is car audio not home audio and you can only make a tin box sound so good. ive been exposed to some pretty upmarket stereos and they don't sound that much better than cheaper ones i have heard. 2 grand is alot of money to piss away on a sub.

because, if properly setup, the more expensive dd/jl equivalnet will always sound better than the much cheaper equivalents. the law of diminishing return does apply though, you may not deem it worth the large amount of extra money for an incomparative increase in sq/spl but if u want the best then thats what it costs...

and comparing a $2k sub to a $300 is useless anyway, you have obviously never heard the higher end sub in a proper installation (if you have ever heard them at all) to be making that claim...

[rice_civic]

as i said before. i have been exposed to some high end stereos. to spend 2 grand on a sub means you have to spend a tone on the rest of the system so it matches up and at the end of the day its all music. if you think you can justify spending 10 grand or more to get something that does the same job as a 3 grand setup then go for it. there is alot of cheaper options if you want the bet sound possible. id be interested to know what splits you guys are running to match up to your w7s. if you think you have the best sounding stereo possible.

[B18cEG]

For starters "shut up rice civic" u obviously dont belong in this conversation, If you buy a cheap $150-$300 sub you pretty much get wat u pay for, for example Alpine type-s and type-r are both very low end subs from my experience believe me people i install at least 1-2 of each every day, yeah they might sound good for a while but try running a bit of power over a long time and they will get killed and dont sound so great either, the cone comes lose internally and they distort at much lower than there continuous power says. One of the differences between a cheap and a good sub is the structure and operation, cheap = weak, bad cooling, made for people that want a little bass, more expensive = strong woofer, better material cone (lighter in most cases) great venting to cool the coil, MADE FOR PEOPLE SERIOUS ABOUT BASS!!! thats the difference i would suggest paying between $400 and $800 for an awesome sub, no need for any more unless ur competing, by the way the new alpine PDX monos are very good. a sub that i strongly suggest is the Crossfire XT15 or XT212, if u want something that will rattle the bolts out of ur car and make if hard to see get the XT15 but make sure u use a ported ~3cubic foot box for best results 1000wrms amp will be great match for this sub to ensure that u can run it all day all the way with no problem, or go for the XT212 if u still want massive bass but a little less deep, i used to have the XT15 in my eg hatch and would literaly make people vomite, no jokes. pm me if your serious about spending some money on a sub and amp and i will give you info from experience not thoughts n theorys.

Thanks

[rice_civic]

check what the thread starter is asking before you decide what the conversation is about. a budget of 800 for sub and amp doesnt allow for a w7 to be even dreamed of and a pdx alone would be close to his entire budget. you should of read the thread before having your input

[aka_NSX]

I'm agree with rice_civic :thumbsup:

[B18cEG]

Ok my budget would be about $800 including mono. Depends, maybe about $300 - 400 on sub and the rest on the mono. "SHOULD I SPEND MORE ON THE SUB OR MONO?" A 300WRMS sub should be enough in a eg yeah?

Did you miss this part

[Mugen Civic]

JBL GTO 15" sub only ~$250rrp

Ported Qmax box ~$120rrp

Rest you can spend on a decent amp

[rice_civic]

Ok my budget would be about $800 including mono. Depends, maybe about $300 - 400 on sub and the rest on the mono. Should i spend more on the sub or mono? A 300WRMS sub should be enough in a eg yeah?

did you miss this part?

[Mugen Civic]

did you miss this part?

who me?

[rice_civic]

nah not you mugen civic. b18ceg or whatever his name is. refer to "smart" comment on the page before

[B18cEG]

did you miss this part?

ok look, i didnt say what amp to buy i only said the pdx is a good amp "its called advise" He said his budget is about $800 for an amp and sub, in the same sentence he said should i spend more for an amp and sub. leave it at that

[rice_civic]

he said should i spend more on sub OR amp
as in i have 800 to spend what should get more allocated to it? the sub or the amp

[B18cEG]

What did you mean BREEZY?

[Dray_Templar]

lmao.... earthquake ftw
http://a205.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/35/l_074f78eb09dd2da350524a2ce715c11c.jpg

or

MODEL: HoLeeS-15"

* 15,000 Watts MAX
* Xmax: 4" Peak to Peak
* Dual (2x1ohms) 4" x 8" High Temp military grade flat wire voice coil.
* (4)Quad Nomax / Romax spiders
* 8 gauge speaker connections
* 112lbs.
http://www.earthquakesound.com/IMAGEJP/CAR/subwoofers/HoLeeS/holees.jpg
* Patented PSP terminal

[EuroDude]

If you want a cheap subwoofer that pumps like the big guys, look for an Adire Shiva (value) or Brahma (performance). These subs are not well known but they are very respected and cheap!

I paid like $300 for my Shiva, and it was 10x better than the more expensive Cerwin Vega I had previously.

Google "Adire Shive" and "Adire Brahma" and you'll see what I mean.

Unfortunately the company has closed down so it'll be hard to source one of these subs. However you should be able to find one, on ebay or other online places.

[arverson]

yer $3-400 on a sub & the rest to a amp is what id do if i were you.

personally id spend more on the amp. headroom is always betta than pushing the limits ;)

300 rms is plenty. depending on how its tuned, installed, what box, etc, and of course what you're expecting out of it. dont expect to win any comps tho.

honestly your budget isnt alot but you've definately got enough for a decent combo. hmmm sub & amp suggestions..

sub: $3-400 ones that come to mind are:
alpine type r
dd (digital designs) '15' or '25 series
boston acoustics g2
image dynamics
treo
adire
jl
orion
dw if you havnt heard of some of these brands, theyre all very respectable & well-made

amp: if you're spending 400 on a sub then the other 400 wont get you any special monos.. it may be enough for the more 'mainstream' branded monos but the ones im thinkin about are 600+.. you might have to use a bridged 2chan instead.

[amurray]

Its all about BOX.... as long as u get a reasonable woofer... if u have the rite box it will Crank... i did 151.6 db with 2 $300 subs in the jazz... and did 149.1db with the 12" Option Audio Pro 12"... i think there retail is 399.. but i have a few new ones i can let go alot cheaper then that if u want.. and as for box design i have an EG box design that Cranks

[Breezy]

What did you mean BREEZY?

yeah, i meant exactly what rice_civic mentioned in the previous post. I wanna spend $800 all up, so spend like $300 on a sub then the rest ($500) on the amp or spend more on the sub and less on the amp?

[Breezy]

yer $3-400 on a sub & the rest to a amp is what id do if i were you.

personally id spend more on the amp. headroom is always betta than pushing the limits ;)

300 rms is plenty. depending on how its tuned, installed, what box, etc, and of course what you're expecting out of it. dont expect to win any comps tho.

honestly your budget isnt alot but you've definately got enough for a decent combo. hmmm sub & amp suggestions..

sub: $3-400 ones that come to mind are:
alpine type r
dd (digital designs) '15' or '25 series
boston acoustics g2
image dynamics
treo
adire
jl
orion
dw if you havnt heard of some of these brands, theyre all very respectable & well-made

amp: if you're spending 400 on a sub then the other 400 wont get you any special monos.. it may be enough for the more 'mainstream' branded monos but the ones im thinkin about are 600+.. you might have to use a bridged 2chan instead.

from the subs you mentioned will they be around the same wrms rating, quality and sound since their all in the same price range? Like picking one or the other wont make much diff?

[rice_civic]

if ya can find an image dynamics i would go for it. a mate of mine has a pair of their idmaxs and they are pretty good. as i said before make sure ya get dual 2 ohm or single 4 ohm coil. this way it will be 2 channel friendly. have you got an amp to run the fronts? if your going to do this down the track you could also consider getting a good 4 channel and bridging the rears to run the sub and use the fronts for s pair of splits. this might not quiet fit into your budget but will save you money in the long run.

[arverson]

idmaxs are a bit out of his budget. i was thinking he could get a idq


from the subs you mentioned will they be around the same wrms rating, quality and sound since their all in the same price range? Like picking one or the other wont make much diff?

just to keep it brief & simple, yes theyre roughly the same on paper. there will be differences... but theyll have around the same power handling (3-4-500ish but dont decide on that spec alone). quality is there in all of them. they all sound nice. i wouldnt suggest them for no reason :)

choosing your sub might just come to to availability.

[arverson]

also it may be betta to get a mono amp 1st, then decide what sub to get after...

[rice_civic]

i realise you were talking about the idq. and i wasnt suggesting idmax, just mentioning, however it would be possible to get a second hand idmax in this budget. if ya find one.

[amurray]

u can buy an IDMAX from the states for 300 - 400 us.. from Image dynamics themselfs... such a good sub... another one i would recomend is an Atomic woofer... if u want somthing to Really pump they have subs to do it

[mickizzle]

go the alpine type x

[Breezy]

Ok, so i decided to get the type r and the alpine 1000wrms mono, cost me $900 all up.

[arverson]

just curious, was it the pdx mono??

[Breezy]

just curious, was it the pdx mono??

Nope, it is the V-Power MRP-M1000. Why is the PDX equivalent a lot better?

[tron07]

check what the thread starter is asking before you decide what the conversation is about. a budget of 800 for sub and amp doesnt allow for a w7 to be even dreamed of and a pdx alone would be close to his entire budget. you should of read the thread before having your input

If you read the first post, he just ask for a sub without stating the budget...

if you read the third post, I already put the w7...

I wonder who should go read the thread again

[TEG01]

the new alpine range, v-power are not bad... alot more plastic in them now, then i guess u pay wat u get... i guess the alpine PDX range replace the old v12 models... correct me if im wrong

[arverson]

Nope, it is the V-Power MRP-M1000. Why is the PDX equivalent a lot better?

was just curious to see what amp alpine include in their type r packages thats all

[rice_civic]

If you read the first post, he just ask for a sub without stating the budget...

if you read the third post, I already put the w7...

I wonder who should go read the thread again

what is the chance that he wants to spend as much on a sub as he did on a car (not quiet literally). if some1 came on the forum asking what car they should get are you gonna tell them to get a ferrari? be realistic!

[tron07]

what is the chance that he wants to spend as much on a sub as he did on a car (not quiet literally). if some1 came on the forum asking what car they should get are you gonna tell them to get a ferrari? be realistic!

I would get a W7 or W6 and not a pice of junk

[Breezy]

was just curious to see what amp alpine include in their type r packages thats all

Oh ok, it wasnt a package deal from alpine, although i should of gone for the package deal which i would of got the pdx mono but they didnt have it in stock. So i just got the v power mono from a local specialist.

[EKVTIR-T]

So Breezy.Feedback?Listening impressions?Was it what you hoped for or not really?

[rice_civic]

I would get a W7 or W6 and not a pice of junk

so you are going to say that anything that is not a jl w6 or w7 is junk?

on topic. nice setup you went with breezy. will be inducing some headaches id say.

[tron07]

so you are going to say that anything that is not a jl w6 or w7 is junk?

on topic. nice setup you went with breezy. will be inducing some headaches id say.

nope, I didnt say that. Scanspeak 23W, Seas 300, are good subs too

[Breezy]

So Breezy.Feedback?Listening impressions?Was it what you hoped for or not really?

Man, i was blown away with how loud this setup goes, when i was listening to the sub in the showroom it sounded good. So i expected it to sound a bit better than that. But when i got it up and running in my car the sound is awesome and can reach extremely loud volume without distorting.

I guess cause the sub is in the same cabin, i probably could of got a lesser powered sub and amp and it will still be thumping loud as well, what do you guys think about this?

[absolutR]

i worked at Gary's car radio for a while man, i would strongly recommend nothing other than an alpine type r , or kicker comps, (They'll handle a huge bashing). I worked with plenty of pioneer, fusion, and kenwood n clarion etc and for the dollar figure a kicker comp or a alpine type r will give the best, non plasticy' sound n last you ages. Spesh with these two sub's they're not too punchy and not to droney so you'll def be happy wit them. Or if u got heaps of money go soundstream, that stuff genuinely amazes me.

[absolutR]

n i don't rate alpine type x compared to the r, i know theres a whopping price difference n me saying this could get ppl really pissed off but i just don't think its a strong enough bass sound for the kind of music that i would play on them. For Music like real bass RnB n dirty kind of electro i reckon a type R with the write monoblock will sound better. The type x is more a refined sound which IMO loses sexiness

[GGK20A]

from what i have heard the alpine type x isnt as good as the type r...

however, i have a rockford fosgate 12" p2 sub running off rockford fosgate amp and thats pretty louds.. all thanks to tiksie's 'BY' tunning. :)

[integraz]

The type-X will pound the lows, type-R will do this also.

both are great subs, the Type-R can get loud, as well as the type-X, the Type-X edges out on SQ, but they are similar.

For the price you pay for a Type-X there are better sounding and also louder subs, ie/ Oz audio matrix

Any sub can "get loud", providing it can handle the amount of power given and box factor is very very important.

No point of shuving a $1000 sub in a $50 sealed 1cuft box.

[rice_civic]

tron07. you did say exactly that. there are plenty of good subs out there that don't cost as much or even anywhere near as much as your jl stuff. so don't be so narrow minded about it being the best with no second. maybe you do get what you pay for to an extent but if wank factor and bragging rights on internet forums is what you want then i guess a w7 IS second to none. at the end of the day there are areas where your money could be better spent and im sure you being a car stereo expert would know this.

[absolutR]

i've heard kicker comps tuned real nice, maybe have a look at them also

[Penguin]

buy an mtx jackhammer......that'll pump real hard

[integraz]

Kicker comps are Sh!t.

compVR- maybe, but solobaric L7 and soloX is where it is at.

MTX jackhammer is just a gimmick.

[amurray]

any sub will pump hard in the right box... its all about budget really... i bet i can get a $99 to do a 150db.. where most people cant even get there " big power " $1000 + subs to do it... ITS ALLL ABOUT BOX.... BOX BOX BOX BOX BOX

end of rant.....

Box

[Penguin]

AVI subs are very good in terms of sound quality.....and SPL......

[arverson]

Man, i was blown away with how loud this setup goes, when i was listening to the sub in the showroom it sounded good. So i expected it to sound a bit better than that. But when i got it up and running in my car the sound is awesome and can reach extremely loud volume without distorting.

I guess cause the sub is in the same cabin, i probably could of got a lesser powered sub and amp and it will still be thumping loud as well, what do you guys think about this?

told ya a 300ish rms sub would be plenty :p

what box are you using??

[Breezy]

told ya a 300ish rms sub would be plenty :p

what box are you using??

They made me a custom slot ported box as they said the prefab ones they have is not suitable for the type r, cost me $200.

[tron07]

tron07. you did say exactly that. there are plenty of good subs out there that don't cost as much or even anywhere near as much as your jl stuff. so don't be so narrow minded about it being the best with no second. maybe you do get what you pay for to an extent but if wank factor and bragging rights on internet forums is what you want then i guess a w7 IS second to none. at the end of the day there are areas where your money could be better spent and im sure you being a car stereo expert would know this.


FYI I dont run any JL stuffs.... so I am not narrow minded and there are no wank factor or bragging involved.

In order for Scanspeak 23W to play loud as a JL, you will probably need more complex setup, 2 actives and 2 passives, complex box/enclosure and wiring/amps and it definetely will cost more then a W7.

[MDL30N]

any sub will pump hard in the right box... its all about budget really... i bet i can get a $99 to do a 150db.. where most people cant even get there " big power " $1000 + subs to do it... ITS ALLL ABOUT BOX.... BOX BOX BOX BOX BOX

end of rant.....

Box

true that... im only using a $90 sub with a much bigger box....it pounds..

[tron07]

true that... im only using a $90 sub with a much bigger box....it pounds..

seal box or ported and tune box or just a normal ported box???

[MDL30N]

seal box or ported and tune box or just a normal ported box???

sealed and tuned..running an audiocontrol 6XS active x-over and just a 4channel alpine amp..

[MDL30N]

I would get a W7 or W6 and not a pice of junk

if i can afford the W6 or W7, yes i will definitely get those..ive seen these subs in action W7 8 inch just one in the boot and it rocks the whole car...

im running jl xr splits and i wanted to be like a whole jl set-up but i just couldnt afford the high end subs from jl.

what do you think of the earlier jl subs? they any good as the new ones now?

[PNS 001_EG3]

To keep it simple mate, anything you put in a hatch will pound as long as its set up correctly. Ive had rockfords, pioneeron and fusion subs. rockfords had great sound quality with very little power, and with large amounts of power to my three fusions, it was rediculous, but i also had an amplifyer that was capable of running the subs. at the end of the day get it set up correctly and get an amplify and subs that can run at 1ohm or 2 ohm stable.

and remember its just like setting up you car if you have great brakes and crapy tires, they wont work well together, same applys to car audio

[tron07]

what do you think of the earlier jl subs? they any good as the new ones now?

I used to have a old JL 12W0 long time back, it was good. If you want cheap and loud only and not SQ, you can go for W3. Otherwise go for W6 and if lot of budget W7 is the way.

13W7.... FTW!

[tron07]

sealed and tuned..running an audiocontrol 6XS active x-over and just a 4channel alpine amp..

if your box is sealed and its a lot bigger then the recomended specs, it is kinda of like running in IB mode.... infinite baffle aka free air. Becareful not to damage your coils if you over extend them when you crank it up.

[arverson]

shh guys, op has his sub&amp combo already.. lets move on

[AzKik-R]

I think for unreal bass, get a fusion NV12, and a soundstream D class 1000w mono block.
You could try get a kicker L7, but not for the money you're willing to spend.

http://images.google.com.au/images?um=1&hl=en&q=fusion+nv+12

[Eire]

I used to run 2x pioneer tsw3001's with a kicker kx1200.1,changed them for a single L7 and it was alot better than the pioneers.I eventually sold the L7 for an Mtx thunder 8515 and 9500D amp running in a ported box theres a silly amount of bass from it.

I didnt bother installing it in my teg but im gonna rebuild the box for the accord,if you can get a listen to some mtx stuff do.

[AzKik-R]

I used to run 2x pioneer tsw3001's with a kicker kx1200.1,changed them for a single L7 and it was alot better than the pioneers.I eventually sold the L7 for an Mtx thunder 8515 and 9500D amp running in a ported box theres a silly amount of bass from it.

I didnt bother installing it in my teg but im gonna rebuild the box for the accord,if you can get a listen to some mtx stuff do.

Does anyone in australia have a Jackhammer?