Toda Vs. Mugen Headers

[rcdc.2]

Purchasing new headers guys, but still confuse in which one to buy.
The headers will be connected to a Mugen Twin Loop exhuast.
Want to see experienced Toda and Mugen headers user about their views on both headers and facts on performace differences!

thanks guys.

[absolutR]

in the great header review test, the toda header was the best with hp gains and torque gains. go toda man. although mugen did have nice gains also

[absolutR]

JDM Jun download --- View HP/TQ 186/ 138
JDM Spoon download --- View HP/TQ 187/ 138
JDM ITR 4-1 download --- View HP/TQ 185/ 137
Mugan mod. hytech download --- View HP/TQ 187/ 136
DC JDM 4-1 download --- View HP/TQ 187/ 137
Comptech 4-2-1 download --- View HP/TQ 187/ 137
JDM Toda download --- View HP/TQ 190/ 137
JDM Mugen download --- View HP/TQ 186/ 135
SMSP header download --- View HP/TQ 190/ 136
Type 1 download --- View HP/TQ 186/ 137
2.5" exhaust/test pipe download --- View HP/TQ 180/ 131
Stock download --- View HP/TQ 176/ 119

here's more info
http://bob123e.tripod.com/thegreatheadertest/

[VTECMACHINE]

Mugens hang reallllllyyyy low btw compared to the Toda ones.

So you might kill them.

[Elwood]

Toda ... Exxxy though.

[VTECMACHINE]

Mugen isn't Exxy?

[Nepolian]

Toda ... Exxxy though.


Mugen isn't Exxy?

I always thought Mugen was actually more expensive across the board. RRP that is!

[iversonruls]

I always thought Mugen was actually more expensive across the board. RRP that is!
yesss almost dbl the price than toda in jap

[Dr.k20z1]

anyone got figures on the ssr header? for dc2 and dc5?

:D cos they are sexy hehe

[rcdc.2]

hm..my friend told me Mugen is realli good on track, where as Toda is good for street.
Both i would be buying for the same price so yer...hahaha still choosing...

[milkman]

Umm.. didn't that data absoluteR paste tell you anything?!?!?!?!

[geeang]

I would just get Mugen headers to suit the Mugen exhaust, difference between the two probably isn't that huge and they seem to be similarly priced. If you get the Mugen you can have a full mugen exhaust from front to back.

[absolutR]

toda hp 190,
mugen- 186.

i dont think power wise, one would be better for track n one for street. just a general difference, one has less hp. plus i think mugen is way more street, theres so much stuff for sale such as stickers, badges, fuel caps, wallets, pocket knives n so on. Toda on the other hand makes individual throttle bodies n stroker kits n rly no 'bling' accessories.

Imo toda is a racing bred company. Still i like muugen too

[yourfather]

seriously... waste of money...

[jords]

I have complete mugen system, 4-1 headders and twin loop, Im happy with the overall set up, good gains and is still street legal i.e. doesn't break 90db.

They do sit a little low so you need to be careful of speed humps etc.

[Perry]

If your car isnt lowered then mugen 4-1 should be a good setup other than that I recommend TODA.

[xtercii]

just get xforce same gain...

[VTECMACHINE]

just get xforce same gain...

Really... AWSOME! What's the point of Toda and Mugen etc headers then? If this is the case, i'll sell my Toda headers and opt for Xforce. Can anyone confirm if this is true... ;)

[SXC-84K]

Really... AWSOME! What's the point of Toda and Mugen etc headers then? If this is the case, i'll sell my Toda headers and opt for Xforce. Can anyone confirm if this is true... ;)

someone correct me if im wrong!

xforce may give similar gains if u only have bolt ons i/h/e, however toda will give better gains if u go further than just bolt ons, eg headwork

[VTECMACHINE]

someone correct me if im wrong!

xforce may give similar gains if u only have bolt ons i/h/e, however toda will give better gains if u go further than just bolt ons, eg headwork

Someone prove me wrong... but I think that's False.:thumbsup:

[xtercii]

just swap on xforce and feel the gforce...

[rcdc.2]

....I have a X-force right now....

[vincikwan]

eehh u guys serious on this....x-force same as toda,spoon,mugen?? Hey, it may be true....u never know these days. marketing is really powerful. LOL.....But according to the header test i saw, seems like toda rules it all!

[mikoZ]

how s abt buddyclub ... any review of this

[l3vnd1]

Toda tops the test ---> Best header to buy hands down.
Mugen still pretty good

Both definately > X-force...

[vincikwan]

So it also seems that mugen 4-1 sits pretty low compared to everything else. Damn, i just purchased a mugen and a spoon header...still waiting for arrival. i think i should sell the mugen one then....

[iwantvtec]

Raaay?

[BusterSonic12]

So it also seems that mugen 4-1 sits pretty low compared to everything else. Damn, i just purchased a mugen and a spoon header...still waiting for arrival. i think i should sell the mugen one then....

hahaha wtf. lol just buys 2 and then choose one of them LOL

[vincikwan]

just worried if the mugen header sits too low

[Spoon SiRG]

just worried if the mugen header sits too low

The Mugen header wont sit too low,maybe your car is too low,lol :p

I'm using the JDM DC Sports 4-1 (rated a bit higher than Mugen on that header test,but waay cheaper) great ground clearance,good bang for your buck. :thumbsup:

[vincikwan]

My car is stock height.. So the mugen wont sit too low?

[Spoon SiRG]

If your car is stock height then you've got nothing to worry about. Just don't lower your car too much later on. If you've already ordered both,do a side-by-side comparison & choose which one you like better. You can't go wrong with Spoon & Mugen,they are both exclusive Honda tuners. Either way don't forget to get a 2.5inch short cat (JDM type); both headers will require it. :)

[vincikwan]

yup...wonderful ans...just the ans i need and was looking for. thanks mate. Most prob i'll do that n get a dyno done with both to compare.

[VT3C]

Spoon discontinued their 4-1 header a long time ago.. their current design is almost a 4-1 but technically it's a 4-2-1 as it splits just before the collector in order to sit up nice anad high.

The Mugen 4-1's collector is like:
O O
O O

so it hangs 2 pipes (deep) under the sump..

some other headers have a squashed or staggered collector which is slightly better in terms of clearance:
O O
_O O

so it 'only' hangs about 1.5 pipes (deep) under the sump.

[90LAN]

the test is bullshit anyway as they used a test pipe

dont worry about wht header you are going to get
also deide what cat you would get too

toda is good for street clearance and mid range top end
mugen is good for top end but not for clearance

[eg5civic]

yeah i want to sell my hytecs already,


too low for how low my car is... i dunno waht to do raise car or sell exhaust