hondata ecu off ebay>

[absolutR]

Hey guys,
just seen this hondata s300 off ebay, is it alright as in will it work fine here in australia?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Brand-New-Hondata-S300-Installed-P28-PLUG-and-PLAY-ECU_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33596QQihZ018QQitem Z280221000550QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

[bennjamin]

yes. Exactly the same thing as sold here in OZ. You wont get a international warranty tho.

[absolutR]

u reckon go for it? coz i got qouted 1250 with install here so i'm tryin to save a bit of dosh, even if its 200 bucks, you know, thats nearly payed for tune aswell

[Limo]

who quoted you $1250?, on the hondatech website its $1500, installed and tuned.

[jimmeh]

$1250 installed and tuned is cheap, you must know someone good to get that price.

[yourfather]

cant believe they charge you so much for a reverse engineered/ hacked ecu

[absolutR]

huh?...

[vincikwan]

Thats the reason y i like the PFC even though some found that hondata is better.

[CRXer]

cant believe they charge you so much for a reverse engineered/ hacked ecu

Theres nothing wrong with "reverse eng/hacking" if its done properly,especially if your doing it to such a great product that is the standard honda ecu.

Why rebuild something from the ground up,when all u have to do is tweak it,to get all the results u need.

Works out a lot cheaper,especially if u supply your own ecu(which u should research before commenting on price in the future),than most standalone solutions.

[yourfather]

Theres nothing wrong with "reverse eng/hacking" if its done properly,especially if your doing it to such a great product that is the standard honda ecu.

Why rebuild something from the ground up,when all u have to do is tweak it,to get all the results u need.

Works out a lot cheaper,especially if u supply your own ecu(which u should research before commenting on price in the future),than most standalone solutions.

because it's stealing someone elses intellectual property, modifying it and passing it up as your own product.

[CRXer]

because it's stealing someone elses intellectual property, modifying it and passing it up as your own product.

They are not "modifying" as such,so there for not stealing.They are simply adding hardware & improving the functionality of the ecu.

They are passing up the additions as there own product,not the whole ecu.

If u sold just a bat,thats no fun is it?
If someone else sells a ball to go with that bat,then u can have some fun.
Everyone can figure out who made the bat & who made the ball,theres no problem,its the same shit.........

[bennjamin]

come on guys relax. Venturing off topic....if Hondata are guilty of "interllectual theft" then Honda themselves would be in on them. Luke , go grab a ECU and ghead to Honda HQ.

Otherwise , this question has been answered.

FYI for a ECU bought over seas , it will work exactly the same as a local

[fatboyz39]

FYI for a ECU bought over seas , it will work exactly the same as a local

Yeah but some dumb ****s says they don't hahaha LOAD OF SHIT!

bought all mine from US and they ALL work!

[AutoEConcepts]

Of course its an engine management controll not a region 1 dvd

[yourfather]

They are not "modifying" as such,so there for not stealing.They are simply adding hardware & improving the functionality of the ecu.

They are passing up the additions as there own product,not the whole ecu.

If u sold just a bat,thats no fun is it?
If someone else sells a ball to go with that bat,then u can have some fun.
Everyone can figure out who made the bat & who made the ball,theres no problem,its the same shit.........
you know that you are talking bullshit.

it is IP theft but do you really think they give a shit about people who take proprietary software and reuse it.

they only care about making cars, you cant get a honda without selling one, so at some stage honda has made the sale, so why should they care?

300 bucks for ticking a box marked boost control - its bullshit.

or have you guys not heard about the PGMFI.org stuff.

[7ypeR]

you know that you are talking bullshit.

it is IP theft but do you really think they give a shit about people who take proprietary software and reuse it.

they only care about making cars, you cant get a honda without selling one, so at some stage honda has made the sale, so why should they care?

300 bucks for ticking a box marked boost control - its bullshit.

or have you guys not heard about the PGMFI.org stuff.

Nope never heard of it

[yourfather]

hondata sued the owner of PGMFI.org because a user posted a copy of the hondata k20a code that had been cracked, effectively trying to sue someone for doing what CRXer is trying to defend above

[EKVTIR-T]

lol funny stuff this secretive ecu game...all $$$$

[EGB18CT]

ohhh noes... here comes the hondata vs other shit again....

[absolutR]

so what should i buy! power fc or hondata! anyone got any purely straight answers lol. n if so should i buy it off ebay?

[EGB18CT]

hondata s200 is can be adr approved and mores specific to a honda, s300 is easier to tune as can be tuned on the fly but cant be adr'd cos of the external usb plug... id go hondata over the power fc anyday...

[bennjamin]

Yeah but some dumb ****s says they don't hahaha LOAD OF SHIT!

bought all mine from US and they ALL work!


Its a joke. And its a monopoly. Im 100% for any new and upcoming replacement ECU systems for tuning. (freebies like chrome/uberdata etc and neptune etc). It really is time HONDATA got some competition and price wars.

[Black_DC5_R]

The price includes about $950 of tuning, so the actual cost of the modifications along with the installation of them isnt very much at all.

If you want a crappy $300 tune that wont even have cold start, tuned by your local monkey, then go for it.

Just remember, just because someone has a dyno, it doesnt make them a tuner.

I would never let someone tune my car unless they spent at least 6 hours on it.

[absolutR]

yeh i'm organised for james from hondata, so its not like i'm going anywhere. i'm just wondering if its any advantage one over the other now

[absolutR]

6 hours....?
james said max 1 to 2 hours, n i trust his input

[CRXer]

6 hours....?
james said max 1 to 2 hours, n i trust his input

they already have base maps setup that comes with the software,so no need to go through all the cold start,idle,etc setup which saves a lot of time.plus james would already know where to head with fine tuning of the final calibration,having tuned many DC2R's before & it doesnt sound like u have any wild modifications to account for either,so it shouldnt take him long.

the advantages of going to an experienced honda tuner.

btw,luke,what hondata does,doesn't hinder or stop the sales of honda ecu's in any way whatsoever,so honda couldnt give a shit.

the posting of hondatas code on a site such as pgmf1,does hinder the sales of the hondata product,they have every right to sue.

if the folks on pgmf1 want to give out there code for free,then thats their perogative,if hondata wants to sell theirs,there is nothing wrong with that either.

[yourfather]

they already have base maps setup that comes with the software,so no need to go through all the cold start,idle,etc setup which saves a lot of time.plus james would already know where to head with fine tuning of the final calibration,having tuned many DC2R's before & it doesnt sound like u have any wild modifications to account for either,so it shouldnt take him long.

the advantages of going to an experienced honda tuner.

btw,luke,what hondata does,doesn't hinder or stop the sales of honda ecu's in any way whatsoever,so honda couldnt give a shit.

the posting of hondatas code on a site such as pgmf1,does hinder the sales of the hondata product,they have every right to sue.

if the folks on pgmf1 want to give out there code for free,then thats their perogative,if hondata wants to sell theirs,there is nothing wrong with that either.

Look, when it all boils down.

Hondata - hacked proprietary engine control units to modify them and provide further functionality - much like chipping an XBOX to play burned DVD's used to be done.

When someone was able to de-code a Hondata product and posted it on PGMFI.org, they didn't sue the person who POSTED the file, they sued the owner of the site.

Regardless of love/hate Hondata, they do have market share, but there honestly needs good competition out there. Why are they so pissed off that someone posted their modified code - because it affects the bottom line. So its ok for intellectual property to be hacked and modified reproduced as long as there is no economic loss? (which is the basis of your argument) F*ck no. It's still wrong.

Use whatever ECU you want, but thats ethically a shit way of doing business.

[whtcrx]

Use whatever ECU you want, but thats ethically a shit way of doing business.

agreed.
my understanding is that reverse engineering anything in the USA is illegal ? Anyone know?

[CRXer]

"Reverse engineering" is virtually what has produced the entire world u live in today.
Hardly anything is made from totally original concepts,but rather people studying & improving on someone elses original ideas.

Just becaues it now applies to program code,some people have decided to try & kick up a stink about it.

As long as u are not just entirely reproducing someones ideas & selling them off as your own,then what is the problem?

Reproducing Hondatas original code on a public forum,for entirely free use by others is a problem,i dont see the problem with the OP hacking the code & studying it to produce a product that would be an addon to hondatas functionality & selling it or passing it on for free to be used in conjunction with hondatas products.But to just display it publically,is wrong.

[whtcrx]

thanks for stating the obvious and not answering the question. :)

[CRXer]

thanks for stating the obvious and not answering the question. :)

I was merely referencing & trying to further the discussion on the so called "unethical tactics" of Hondata(which u agreed with).Sorry,i dont know the answer to your question nor am I very interested in knowing.

As for stating the obvious,it doesnt seem overtly obvious to most program coders the concepts i have described above.

I can smell ben's ban hammer coming down shortly.........:zip:

[bennjamin]

no you can smell Bens smelly feet.

To keep this thread on topic ~ those who oppose Hondata's actions PLEASE take it out with a lawyer and discuss international law. Even get Honda themselves in on it. Im sure if there was an issue , Honda WOULD know about it and have hondata in a lawsuit as we speak.

Finally for the OP - a hondata off ebay will work the same as a locally purchased one ( as i and others have said). Just cheaper.

go figure.

[yourfather]

"Reverse engineering" is virtually what has produced the entire world u live in today.

yeah I can understand that - of course, it's called the path dependence of technological development.


Hardly anything is made from totally original concepts,but rather people studying & improving on someone elses original ideas.

Just becaues it now applies to program code,some people have decided to try & kick up a stink about it. it should apply to all intellectual property. What if someone stole your poem, added a chorus and made it into a charting song.


As long as u are not just entirely reproducing someones ideas & selling them off as your own,then what is the problem?
Because you are relying on someone else doing the initial legwork and R&D so you can hack/modify it to make a buck - not ethical, but still done - but you have no moral authority to expect people to respect your IP if you have no respect for others.


Reproducing Hondatas original code on a public forum,for entirely free use by others is a problem,i dont see the problem with the OP hacking the code & studying it to produce a product that would be an addon to hondatas functionality & selling it or passing it on for free to be used in conjunction with hondatas products.
But to just display it publically,is wrong.

Way to avoid my question, why then, if the OP is the one that disrespects the IP (intellectual property) do they sue the person that provides the platform for content delivery.

[panda[cRx]]

a bit OT sorry but honda (honda australia at least) is funny when it comes to intellectual
property. they will get a workshop for using a honda logo, yet they dont give a shit about james posting scanned honda workshop manuals on his site.

honda aust dealers aren't even able to photocopy a single page of workshop manuals to give to a paying customer, yet they don't give a shit about (james) hondatech.com.au blatantly supplying them to the masses

but yes back on topic the ecu is fine to use and no you do not need to go thru james to get an s300 tuned