B18b I/H/E what next?

[dudeling7]

Hey fellas,

ive got an integra with a B18b engine. so far i have done I/H/E + SAFC to lightly tune the package. but now i want to move further with my mods.

being non-vtec i have considered boosting it and other things but im at uni and and that can wait till later. so pretty much im staying NA for now.

I'm thinking of getting an intake manifold next, but with the mods i have i'm not too sure if this will be beneficial. heard good things about the blox and Skunk2 manifolds and pretty keen on getting one next. Would this improve my current setup? how about bigger TB as well? Would this be the last bolt on before doing headwork etc?

engine mods so far are; Megan 4-2-1 header, 2.25 cat back, injen intake, clutch and light flywheel. with these i made 95kw atw. but dyno's are not always comparable.

[hayashi_1986]

That's some decent output from a lightly tuned B18b :) Both mods will benefit the car's power and performance. You'll have to get a re-tune as well.

Might want to consider a different ECU as well. Something with a little more tuneability...more clout :thumbsup: Plenty to pick from, Hondata, eManage (blue/black), Neptune, Crome etc. etc. just to name some. All more or less piggyback and relatively cheap.

[barefootbonzai]

B16 head, LS vtec kit, some wiring and a new computer and you got yourself a nice little setup.

[040501912]

yuppeee ^^^

get the head b16, machine n polish, or optional with cams n springs + new valve since you have the head.

and dumped it on ur b18b :D fun fun

[dudeling7]

to get the best out of an ls vtec i would need to raise compression though wouldnt i? maybe add b16 pistons and some rod bolts for reliability?

[aaronng]

B16 head, LS vtec kit, some wiring and a new computer and you got yourself a nice little setup.

Would the total cost of the b16 head, ecu and labour cost more than if he went for a b18c2 in the first place?

[dudeling7]

thats what im thinking, i guess the cheapest option would be boosting it then lol.

i guess options are;

1. turbo
2. LS/VTEC
3. Engine conversion
4. be different, build my motor with cams etc.

jsut gotta pick a route which is the hard part

[GSi_PSi]

ls.vtec is definatly cheaper than buying a b18c then throwing that in....if your gonna spend the amount of putting in a b18c instead build a b20vtec awesome powergains and youll be faster than itrs

[barefootbonzai]

Would the total cost of the b16 head, ecu and labour cost more than if he went for a b18c2 in the first place?

depends if you're doing it yourself or not. cause labour to swap out the entire engine would cost double of doing a head swap.

[dudeling7]

but for the time being would it be worthwhile upgrading my intake manifold to a skunk2 or blox or will that make me loose power?

i will get it retuned with safc again becuase i also got an injen cai

[teh_mechanic]

you wont lose power by changing to an aftermarket intake manifold.but the power gain will be very minimal.very minimal,as in you wont be able to notice the difference when you are driving unless you are very good,we are talking about a couple of hp gain

[hayashi_1986]

you wont lose power by changing to an aftermarket intake manifold.but the power gain will be very minimal.very minimal,as in you wont be able to notice the difference when you are driving unless you are very good,we are talking about a couple of hp gain

Yep, that's right. Going too big though, you'll lose power. Tune her up to take advantage of the new bits. Stock sits at 66mm I believe, haven't measure my one yet (s2) but it's around that.

[VT1-R]

B16 head, LS vtec kit, some wiring and a new computer and you got yourself a nice little setup.

Yup b16 head can be obtained quite easily with conversion kit n some misc. stuff..

You will have high end vtec kick!! and gd low end torque.. It will be a big difference.. And if you are not happy later on... Get some wild cams and do a built B18C out of ur LS/vtec.. if not 4get the cams.. build ur internals on ur ls vtec engine and turbo it.. b18c turbo is baller.. will chop n/a itrs..

If not just turbo it straight away... For big noticeable gains, dun bother with IM, TB etc.. There are ok.. but for the $$ its not worth it anymore.. On a stock motor i heard that IM n TB might even lose power... And gd gain require really gd tuning etc to maximise.. Its just a fine line between a slight noticable power gain or you cant feel the gain at all...

With a VTEC conversion... whether you wan to feel it or not.. the gain will always be there.. and you will not look back..

[beeza]

More than likely you will gain top end,hopefully not sacrifcing much low/mid end but depends on the tune.
U need to research this more because with the right combinatons you can get good results but with the wrong combination the whole RPM range will suffer.

[beeza]

P.S. How did I go? :)

[Samm928]

this is what spardikis told me as i am going to do a b16 head conversion. lsvtec with a b18a1 bottom

things that you will need

DOHC VTEC B-series cylinder head complete with valve cover, intake manifold, VTEC solenoid assembly and internals $1500
· VTEC ECU (OBD1 ek4/em1's rarara (200 or so)
· VTEC B-series distributor ($150 and under)
· '90-'01 Integra LS head gasket
· '94-'01 Integra GS-R head bolts (also Type R, del Sol DOHC VTEC and Civic Si)
· '94-'01 Integra GS-R water pump (also Type R, del Sol DOHC VTEC and Civic Si) $50 (someguy on ozhonda is selling it)
· '94-'01 Integra GS-R timing belt (also Type R)
· '94-'01 Integra GS-R knock sensor (also Type R, del Sol DOHC VTEC and Civic Si)
· -4 steel braided hose with female ends, 22 inches in length
· 1/8-inch NPT female to 1/8-inch NPT female to 1/8-inch BSPT male on run pipe tee
· 1/8-inch NPT male to -4 male straight adaptor
· 3/8-inch NPT male to -4 male straight adaptor
· 1/8-inch internal pipe plug
· 1/8-inch NPT pipe tap
· 3/8-inch NPT pipe tap
· 14mm drill bit
· 10.9mm drill bit
· 12mmx1.25mm tap

golden eagle kit?

yehh.. well thats rough figures =P correct me anyone if im wrong. =P how much would the lsvtec cost not including labour rough figures? as this is just a guideline =P

[dudeling7]

yeh would just get the golden eagle kit, anyone used these? seem pretty straight forward.

so anyone got a b16/b18 head lying around?

thing is , if i was to do it i would also upgrade to b16 pistons and upgrade the rode bolts and head studs as the rod bolts are the weak link in the ls bottom end.

hw much is it usually to open the engine install all he stuff? i just asked around today but waiting for some more quotes.

[Samm928]

500-1000 depends where you go, if you go toda in sydney i think adrian will charge you $1500 for labour. you supply own parts so rough cost of a head is 1000,golden eagle kit $300 from jdm yard.. OBD1 ecu = $200 the rest i cbf to answer. gimme points =)

[dc2rrrr]

gimme points???? Um no.
yeah golden eagle ftw easy as it gets.