Auto in a dc2R?

[whtteg]

I know im probably going to be told im an idiot for wanting to do this but anyway,

I would like to know if there is an auto transmission that will bolt up to a b18c7 in a dc2R?

i wouldn't be getting rid of the manual i'd be keeping it incase i decide to sell later thus not devaluing the car, yes i can drive a manual but due to back problems an auto is a bit easier on bad days for me. im still trying to weigh up options for the purchace of my next car :o

[G-Stick]

maybe just get an auto gsi? or eg daily?

[JetSir]

yes u can... but its costly. as ur prob gona pay close to 500-800 to install it
ontop of wateva parts cost.

prob better off sellin the type r n buyin a GSI ... cause i dont see any advantages of a auto type r

[whtteg]

mmm na after driving my husbands dc2r and enjoying it and already having a delsol id rather not go backwards (i have been looking a an eg5 vti auto but if i can put an auto in a dc2r i would much prefer it)

[whtteg]

yes u can... but its costly. as ur prob gona pay close to 500-800 to install it
ontop of wateva parts cost.

prob better off sellin the type r n buyin a GSI ... cause i dont see any advantages of a auto type r

the cost isnt a problem, do you know what auto trans it would be out of? and would it last? i know i wont have the lsd but im not really worried about it.

lol im not selling the one we have im going add another to the family if i can :)

[90LAN]

u can use a eg6 auto box and loom and shifter as it is b series
it will be custom and a lot of hassles trying to get it to fit and work
eg6 auto front cuts sell for about 2000-2200

[whtteg]

u can use a eg6 auto box and loom and shifter as it is b series
it will be custom and a lot of hassles trying to get it to fit and work
eg6 auto front cuts sell for about 2000-2200

oh ok so there isnt an easier way? i was hoping maybe an old ls auto might have fit :(

[IZY-10]

you can get a auto b16a gearbox

[absolutR]

i dont think you'd loose lsd.

[G-Stick]

he would if he changes the gear box to a non lsd gearbox

[absolutR]

true! i think i would sell it. buy an accord or something thats gonna support your back properly! or a vl turbo, those seats are like couches

[whtteg]

he would if he changes the gear box to a non lsd gearbox

thats what i thought (she, btw) i didnt think there were any lds autos :o

[whtteg]

true! i think i would sell it. buy an accord or something thats gonna support your back properly! or a vl turbo, those seats are like couches

because its a lower back injury i find the recaros are very supportive and actually help, when i drive our magna *cringe* i find it has no support in the 'lounge' chairs and have a lot of pain for days afterwards

[d15z1SUX]

yeh magnas suck i drive one for work everyday haha. auto dc2r u could be the first in the world to do it? it would be quite unique.

[DreadAngel]

You can modify your Auto Gbox too, its not the end of the world (like some idiots would love to believe) yes you lose most of the freedom of control but you can modify the auto box to suit your needs.

Auto Transmission Special are around, they can work on your auto box like a manual box, replacing the clutches and bands with better, more durable ones to handle the demands of the B18C, fit a hi-stall torque converter, manual valve bodies, servos... etc etc...

You can also program the Auto box to shift like a manual too... Seen this work done in my friend's Twin Turbo Soarer and its got wonderful effect =)

[Limbo]

not worth it as autos weren't meant to rev that high, you'd kill the auto box in no time. If it was a low reving engine it would be fine.

for the cost of getting it to work better off buying say and auto dc5

[whtteg]

mmm this now has me quite hopeful (thanks DreadAngel :)) my husband would love us to have a matching pair of dc2r's (and for me to get rid of my delsol , much to my yougest daughters dislike (she loves the del and was hoping for it to be hers one day)) i now have a lot to think about, thanks heaps :)

*after note* Limbo i dont like the dc5's so its not an option, the car is to be a 'mum' car to cruise locally and to qld and back once a month or so not to hoon around in

[qstoria]

how about ECU any issues there perhaps?

[vincikwan]

Evaqn if you manage to put it in, the gear ratios will not make full use of the vtec. So might as well get a GSI...its the same

[whtteg]

how about ECU any issues there perhaps?

true, any ideas?? would a eg6 auto ecu work??

[aaronng]

Evaqn if you manage to put it in, the gear ratios will not make full use of the vtec. So might as well get a GSI...its the same

Not the same really. Handling is different. I'm making a guess that DC2R + auto = VTiR in the straight line.

[aaronng]

not worth it as autos weren't meant to rev that high, you'd kill the auto box in no time. If it was a low reving engine it would be fine.

for the cost of getting it to work better off buying say and auto dc5
If they weren't meant to rev that high, then how do auto b16a's drive around at redline without blowing autoboxes?

Food for thought, Mercs have autos. Their engines rev to 7000+rpm and make about 600Nm in torque. If those autoboxes can handle a combo of high RPM and high torque, I'm sure there are autoboxes out there which can handle high RPM without problems.

[DreadAngel]

not worth it as autos weren't meant to rev that high, you'd kill the auto box in no time. If it was a low reving engine it would be fine.

for the cost of getting it to work better off buying say and auto dc5

Like Aaron said, but you can always modify man :) Just like any manual box :)

Auto NSX is another car with Auto, high revs but doesn't blow boxes :)

[whtteg]

Evaqn if you manage to put it in, the gear ratios will not make full use of the vtec. So might as well get a GSI...its the same

if i wont have any notable vtec i would rather go with a eg5 vti auto :( i want to have at least a little pull when i want to overtake on highways

[whtteg]

i would be happy if the dc2r went like vtir auto but have been led to believe in australia R are all manual, im confused

[qstoria]

eg6 would be obd1 from memory and dc2r would be obd2. plus its for a 1.6l not 1.8. realisitically i think there would be too many discrepincies to make it work

the overall problem i see with the idea is that by changing to an auto box you are altering the dc2r from its original form soo much so that it really isnt a dc2r anymore. the 5speed manual box is designed to work with the rest of the car as an overall package. take that away and that overall package is really no longer the same 'overall package'..

so is your back really that sore? if it is then IMO sell the dc2r. buy an EG or a vti-r integra or GSI etc then with the change you can easily fit some recaros to it and have plenty left over.

[aaronng]

i would be happy if the dc2r went like vtir auto but have been led to believe in australia R are all manual, im confused
Yes, all Type Rs are manual in Australia. You would have to do a conversion to auto, then find an auto B series ECU which you can add on something similar to a hondata S100 where you can flash in a stock b18c7 ecu map.

[whtteg]

Yes, all Type Rs are manual in Australia. You would have to do a conversion to auto, then find an auto B series ECU which you can add on something similar to a hondata S100 where you can flash in a stock b18c7 ecu map.

um my daughter came up with another suggestion that maybe a ef8 would be better with eg6 jdm auto what do you think?

[qstoria]

ef8 gearbox are cable gearbox not hydro. ill trade u my k20 ef8 for the dc2r though :) you would still have to shift your own gears but it has recaros

[aaronng]

um my daughter came up with another suggestion that maybe a ef8 would be better with eg6 jdm auto what do you think?
Wouldn't EF8 seats be even more uncomfortable? Also, EF8 is pretty old by now....

[whtteg]

ef8 gearbox are cable gearbox not hydro. ill trade u my k20 ef8 for the dc2r though :) you would still have to shift your own gears but it has recaros

rofl hubby wont sell or trade

[seihoa]

ull need the auto ecu n the auto shift computer n the loom dont forget ...

[whtteg]

Wouldn't EF8 seats be even more uncomfortable? Also, EF8 is pretty old by now....

im prepared for new bushes mounts (i had to do that on my del which is a 95)shocks springs (and putting black dc2r seats in) the works, but if its going to be more than a weeks worth of work its not going to be suitable incase my back plays up, im having enough trouble at the moment with the cold weather driving the del

[rayb3na_]

this might be really stupid.. but wouldnt the auto gsi box fit? considering its a b series as well isnt it..

[whtteg]

this might be really stupid.. but wouldnt the auto gsi box fit? considering its a b series as well isnt it..

thats why i asked about the ls auto (b18 auto that is)

[EKVTIR-T]

I think the main thing will be which or what ecu to use.
A B16 auto will have the most suitable shift points as the rpm range is the closest to the type r.
I don't know alot about autos but the non vtecs would upshift at around 7k I'm guessing on full throttle which is pointless.
Also once you decide on the box you could get a shift kit which would make it more fun :)
Good luck.

[whtteg]

does anyone know if in japan a b18 series vtec was brought out n an auto?

[CB7_OWNER]

alternatively sell the dc2r , get ek or eg.. and swap a b18c into it instead...

[DreadAngel]

does anyone know if in japan a b18 series vtec was brought out n an auto?

The SiR/SiR-G was brought out with a B18C VTEC with an auto box :)

[EKVTIR-T]

You could find one of those boxes from NZ probably if not Japan.
Only thing is the redline is lower at around 7500.

Ecu-man would be able to say if it's feasible or not I suppose.

[TheSaint]

u dont like the DC5 because you want a daily car? but you like the DC2R for this purpose?

isnt the DC5s/r more of a cruiser than the DC2R? the DC2R was designed more for track in mind, where the DC5s/r and newer model preludes are designed for cruising and they all still have vtec

we are faced with similar problems after loosing the DC2 in an accident and gaining injuries, im now shopping around for 03/04 Subaru WRX or 04/05 Audi A4 Quattro, leaning more towards the WRX wagon

you also might want to consider the EM1, did that come in an Auto?

good luck with your research =)

[whtteg]

u dont like the DC5 because you want a daily car? but you like the DC2R for this purpose?

isnt the DC5s/r more of a cruiser than the DC2R? the DC2R was designed more for track in mind, where the DC5s/r and newer model preludes are designed for cruising and they all still have vtec

we are faced with similar problems after loosing the DC2 in an accident and gaining injuries, im now shopping around for 03/04 Subaru WRX or 04/05 Audi A4 Quattro, leaning more towards the WRX wagon

you also might want to consider the EM1, did that come in an Auto?

good luck with your research =)

after driving both when we went to buy the typeR i prefered the dc2R over the dc5 (personal preference) i could have the option of buying my dads pretty blue wrx sti from the estate but na im too much of a honda person

[baeshin]

y dun u consider an auto dc5 lux

[g_kn]

y dun u consider an auto dc5 lux

yeah , what he said

[EK9]

she already mentioned she didn't like dc5...

this seems like it might cause more problems to outweigh the benefits... how about an alternative to installing an auto box in the dc2r and maybe do a complete engine/auto trans/ecu swap from another car? if you want the pull + vtec, maybe something like a H22A (prelude auto)? or even K20/K24 + auto swap? i'm no tech head, so duno if you'll need to modify anything to fit these auto gearboxes in the dc2 chassis... and you can always sell the b18c engine afterwards to get some cash back... just an alternative... goodluck anyways :thumbsup:

[EK9]

or go dc2 gsi auto and spec it up with dc2r goodies.... recaros, suspension, bodykit, etc

[TheSaint]

or go dc2 gsi auto and spec it up with dc2r goodies.... recaros, suspension, bodykit, etc

that would be a fun project =)

be better off starting with a vti-r though

[absolutR]

most vl turbos n performance australian cars, mainly bein auto are lsd. spesh around my area lines are everywhere! lol

[absolutR]

thats what i thought (she, btw) i didnt think there were any lds autos :o

thats what i was talking about lol. man i'm slow today

[whtteg]

thats what i was talking about lol. man i'm slow today

lol i drove those cars when they were brand new and to me theyre nothng special, i love the feel of front wheel drive with lsd, to me rear wheel drive with lsd is something you learn in as a 16yo.

is it possible to put a lsd from a manual into an auto trans?

[EK9]

that would be a fun project =)

be better off starting with a vti-r though
but vti-r only came in manual... so no good. seems like she's after dc2 specifically in auto.

[d15z1SUX]

y dun u consider an auto dc5 lux

dc2r and dc5 are like totally different cars... maybe the dc5 is too soft for her

[jdm_kid]

maybe dc5 is too big also

[whtteg]

maybe dc5 is too big also

size isnt an issue lol ive been driving long enough to be a bit choosey about what i want to drive :)

[DC4Integra98]

+1 to dc4 auto spec up to a dc2r.
If you really want vtec, go the 'ls/vtec' conversion. Much less hassle than a auto conversion as this has not been done before on a dc2r whereas modified dc4s are common (See US).

[whtteg]

+1 to dc4 auto spec up to a dc2r.
If you really want vtec, go the 'ls/vtec' conversion. Much less hassle than a auto conversion as this has not been done before on a dc2r whereas modified dc4s are common (See US).

thats the problem if im going to do this i ONLY want to do it to dc2R :o

i can by an auto in vti but thats not what i want, if this isnt viable il just buy a eg5 vti

[TheSaint]

turning a DC4 into a DC2R would be like buying a DC2R auto... if you do it right there would be no difference

[Dxs]

this thread is ****en annoying..

what is the point of having a raw DC2R if you are going to auto it..

beggers cant be choosers.. just get a late model lude..
if you have a bad back, why do u want a stiff car with recaros?


in theory any b auto box will bolt on.. you have to consider
Mounts
driveshaft lengths
ecu's being off with ignition and fuel maps for b18cr (maybe get a piggy back and tune to recorrect this issue)
wiring headache
removal of the whole clutch setup


so for someone to source a box, install it and possibly mix and match shafts, remove all manual stuff, wire it, and then get a proper piggyback install and tune.. 2.8k at least


and LSD's are inside the box, it isnt like a rwd with a seperate dif to the box.

[IZY-10]

like i said earlier b16a auto gearbox is the way to go. Closest gear ratios you will get to a dc2r gearbox

[whtteg]

this thread is ****en annoying..

what is the point of having a raw DC2R if you are going to auto it..

beggers cant be choosers.. just get a late model lude..
if you have a bad back, why do u want a stiff car with recaros?


in theory any b auto box will bolt on.. you have to consider
Mounts
driveshaft lengths
ecu's being off with ignition and fuel maps for b18cr (maybe get a piggy back and tune to recorrect this issue)
wiring headache
removal of the whole clutch setup


so for someone to source a box, install it and possibly mix and match shafts, remove all manual stuff, wire it, and then get a proper piggyback install and tune.. 2.8k at least


and LSD's are inside the box, it isnt like a rwd with a seperate dif to the box.

im not a begger so i will be the one to choose thank you :)

i asked about the lsd as i can (if it is able to replace the standard diff) have the auto strengthened and have a lsd put in :) sorry if you think because i am a female i have no idea but you would be quite wrong there. :)

i do not want a prelude and if you read my posts you would realise the seats are comfortable for where my injury is, i know this as my husband and i already own 1 dc2r and have had no problems with the suspension being hard, my injury causes pain in my left leg that is why i want an auto. :)

[Lossehelin]

i might be able to source out an automatic b18c box if ur interested.

[EG30]

Auto versions of B16A and B18C are both detuned by the factory, which tells you something. If the factory thinks those engines in std tune are going to cause reliability problems in the auto boxes, could you imagine the same boxes going into a b18c7?

Also conventional torque converters have a rotation limit of about 6800rpm, so that leaves more than 1500rpm of rev range wasted on the B18c7.

So if the EG5 Vti auto is an option that would be more sensible as it would be much easier to resell down the track than a one of a kind white elephant.

[whtteg]

Auto versions of B16A and B18C are both detuned by the factory, which tells you something. If the factory thinks those engines in std tune are going to cause reliability problems in the auto boxes, could you imagine the same boxes going into a b18c7?

Also conventional torque converters have a rotation limit of about 6800rpm, so that leaves more than 1500rpm of rev range wasted on the B18c7.

So if the EG5 Vti auto is an option that would be more sensible as it would be much easier to resell down the track than a one of a kind white elephant.

thats exactly what i am thinking (eg5 vti auto) as, even if i can make the auto and torque converter strong enough it looks like the ecu will probably be a problem :( im a bit disapointed but i dont want to end up with a car that my be unreliable in the end.
Thanks

[Q_ball]

DC2R auto?
Dont bother.

[jords]

Learn how to drive manual, an auto honda is a total different experience to a manual box.

[whtteg]

Learn how to drive manual, an auto honda is a total different experience to a manual box.

i have driven a manual for approximately 23 years...

[DreadAngel]

i have driven a manual for approximately 23 years...

Pwned lol =P

Some of you guys are hella unhelpful, DXS if you find it annoying keep out then. She's just trying to see if an idea will work or not...

Anyway it maybe possible to put together a B18C Auto ECU (Lossehelin???) with a Piggyback unit to tune it. Strengthen the box with all the additional stuff and then like I said before with the Auto specialist let them work their magic. Its a possibility that most people (especially on here as you can see) wouldn't consider but dig around a lil. Gear ratios etc I'm pretty sure can be adjusted/programmed/whatever...

[whtteg]

Thanks heaps DreadAngel I'll keep looking into it and if I do decide to do this project I'll let you all know how it goes :D

[EKVTIR-T]

Some people just can't bear the thought of something different.
They think of a Type R as holy but it's only a piece of metal in the end.
If she wants to try this avenue then that's fine.Why are some getting so upset?
It's not your car so why care so much ffs.
Typical Honda narrow mindedness....

[whtteg]

Some people just can't bear the thought of something different.
They think of a Type R as holy but it's only a piece of metal in the end.
If she wants to try this avenue then that's fine.Why are some getting so upset?
It's not your car so why care so much ffs.
Typical Honda narrow mindedness....

lol I think what most people missed in my posts has been the fact I probably wouldnt sell the car with the auto in it, if they wanted it I would leave it but also give them the manual box so I wouldnt be detracting the value of the "Holy" typeR lol

[TheSaint]

you have a solid reason as to why you want to change it... you like the car and you have problems, due to health reasons, driving a manual

it could get tricky, but do remember the car will drive a little different in the end... you may not even like it... type-r are tuned/desigend fairly specifically.. normal vtec alone is tuned fairly specifically... it could be interesting but it may not work out to the best result in the end

good luck either way, but my bet would be on a auto newer model prelude vti-r as being your best solution for what you seek

keep us updated =)