Cammed Motors Specs + DYNO Graph Mandatory

[dougie_504]

can i keep the air con charlie said have to get rid of it.wat would you do with that money.


See if you can get some head work done. Cam shafts, adjustable gears, valvetrain, port job.

[r3ckless]

Timmy, I think you should also look intoa better set of headers. They say the jdm dc5r headers are only slightly better than the audm, so that could look like whats also restricting some power mate! btw, PM me where u got ur BBK from? a mate is enquiring!

[TODA AU]

This thread has been dead for some time....
Thought i would make my contribution, Hate it or Love it.....
A more realistic Dyno figure this time round.

Looks like you got what was expected & it sound's like you're happy.
No doubt it drives a lot better too as the output is nice & smooth... :thumbsup:
But am I the only one who can see the forest for the trees?
Before you all jump on the "oh, you're a hater band wagon" I do have a point.
To to compare apples & apples (so to speak) you need to have the runs done with the same settings as the other's. Hence why dyno dynamics have shootout modes for just such a purpose.
(Particularly with eddie current dyno's)
Anyway, if you have a look at the bottom of your dyno sheet, you can see your runs were done with an Inertia of 100 & a ramp rate of 140.
Most of the others in this thread were done in shoot 4, with an inertia of 80 & a ramp rate of 100.
What this means is you're not having the same hobbling factor applied to your output.
That aside, if you're happy, realisticly none of that really matters, so hurry up & get some decent headers & some cams.
(My guess is after that the 5Zigen will be the next cork in the arse that needs to be looked at)

[89lude]

you certainly are out of the 'norm'. got more money than brains

[GSi_PSi]

^ harsh but true . At the end of the day the motor you just spend all this money on will get taken by a standard jdm k20a or a2

[u mad?]

shnap

[will13]

Anyway, if you have a look at the bottom of your dyno sheet, you can see your runs were done with an Inertia of 100 & a ramp rate of 140.
Most of the others in this thread were done in shoot 4, with an inertia of 80 & a ramp rate of 100.
What this means is you're not having the same hobbling factor applied to your output.


Adrian, had timmy had his runs done the same as most others, how would it affect his output readings?

[TODA AU]

Adrian, had timmy had his runs done the same as most others, how would it affect his output readings?
It would have shown a lower reading by approx 8~10kw

[will13]

Interesting - perhaps timmy should use your dyno for comparison

[Timmy_B]

Anyway, if you have a look at the bottom of your dyno sheet, you can see your runs were done with an Inertia of 100 & a ramp rate of 140.
Most of the others in this thread were done in shoot 4, with an inertia of 80 & a ramp rate of 100.
What this means is you're not having the same hobbling factor applied to your output.


Adrian, I have emailed Scott at Insight to get some imput into this matter.. As i am not trained in Dyno tuning or have even the slightest clue as to what factors affect dyno runs I thought i would ask.. This is from Scott

"as discussed, your dyno printout was actually designed to demonstrate a lack of power increase and the need for additional modifications to improve engine hp. It was
not designed to illustrate any drastic improvement. This was the
intended point of the comparison graph. There were many runs indicating
kw figures almost identical to the sheet ran on various ramp rates."

Scott also said
"Adrian is actually 100% correct referring to the ramp rate
which can affect accurate kw comparison figures. Very high kw turbocharged engines can have quite a large affect on the output kw."

Hope this sheds some light on the matter and put this issue to bed... But it seems that there was no 8-10kw change from the variety of ramp rates at which my car was tune on..

[TODA AU]

Hope this sheds some light on the matter and put this issue to bed... But it seems that there was no 8-10kw change from the variety of ramp rates at which my car was tune on..
Shed some light… Good one Tim, I mean Mr HBNALM (Hearing but not actually listening man)
I agree with Scott… If you vary only the ramp rate on a low powered slug, the variation in output will minimal. Also the higher the vehicle output, the greater the variation due to ramp rate change.
But I didn't say just that. I said your output didn't have the hobling factor of both a lower ramp rate & lower inertia. The devil is in the detail & the missing magic word is inertia.
It's the combination of the two that makes a real difference easily accounts for 8~10kw stated previously.
Of course, whether you believe me or not is bye the bye,
Fact of the matter is when you run your car up in Shoot 4, you're going to be in for a reality check.
Anyway, one day you’ll have the benefit of hindsight. :thumbsup:

[Timmy_B]

Adrian, I appriciate your concern on the matter and its good to get someone opinion as well.. I think after the first dyno sheet was posted up of the wrong power figure by that John Collins Dyno, i realised that there are alot of factors that can produce false readings.. And its a whole new world that i wont understand.
After everything we have spoken about, be the dyno is realistic or 10kw off im still happy.. Thats one thing you can't question. And to me its the most important. The car drive great, feels great and brakes great and too some, looks great.

[TODA AU]

back on topic...

Customer Car

Engine - Sleeved B18C + SPL Port tuned PR3 head
Displacement - 1979cc
Bore -85.00mm
Stroke - 87.20mm
CR - Undisclosed
Camshafts - TODA Racing
Camgear Settings - Undisclosed
Gearbox - S80 + M-Factory Straight cut, close ratio gear kit, final drive & Plate type LSD
I/H/E - Mugen Air Box, SPL 80mm Air pipe, TODA carbon surge tank, TODA 50mm quad throttles, TODA B18C V2 exhaust manifold + M-Factory 60mm cat back
ECU - MOTEC M800

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee117/TODA_AU/TODA170kwB18C1979cc0011024x746.jpg
I've refined my proven combination more by incorperating my latest head port tuning data.
I'm also now using Dave's CNC chambers
Results are pleasing so far with more to come in the future.

[sxmachine]

Far out can I have that motor please Adrian lol btw I need to contact u bout my Hondata lol I've been busy as ...

[MM89]

Looks like Leonard's setup??

[GSi_PSi]

Fuuuuuu K series killer !!!!! Wow I'm impressed, any reason why kept the itr crank ? Reliability ?

[TODA AU]

Fuuuuuu K series killer !!!!! Wow I'm impressed, any reason why kept the itr crank ? Reliability ?
Cheers...
Re B18C crank, the 87.2mm stroke crank best meets the power & power delivery target of this engine/application.
Reduced component cost & lower oil temps are just an added bonus.

[DNYALL]

back on topic...

Customer Car

Engine - Sleeved B18C + SPL Port tuned PR3 head
Displacement - 1979cc
Bore -85.00mm
Stroke - 87.20mm
CR - Undisclosed
Camshafts - TODA Racing
Camgear Settings - Undisclosed
Gearbox - S80 + M-Factory Straight cut, close ratio gear kit, final drive & Plate type LSD
I/H/E - Mugen Air Box, SPL 80mm Air pipe, TODA carbon surge tank, TODA 50mm quad throttles, TODA B18C V2 exhaust manifold + M-Factory 60mm cat back
ECU - MOTEC M800

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee117/TODA_AU/TODA170kwB18C1979cc0011024x746.jpg
I've refined my proven combination more by incorperating my latest head port tuning data.
I'm also now using Dave's CNC chambers
Results are pleasing so far with more to come in the future.

HUGE numbers for a bseries. huge numbers for any honda NA motor :thumbsup: track car? drag car? baller street car?

[TODA AU]

HUGE numbers for a bseries. huge numbers for any honda NA motor :thumbsup: track car? drag car? baller street car?
I'm happy with it, particularly cause there's more in it.:)
Use is circuit race endurance engine.

[Slaz]

Very impressive numbers arnt they now that ive seen them, sure some more tweaking and the other sub 2ltr one in the mix will yield more good numbers, but compare them to results of some K's and keeping dyno settings in mind, its all very cool, even compared to the figures out of the US.

Credit where due on that build though, sure the customer was pretty happy with it no doubt.

[GSi_PSi]

Thats not your sleeved B series monster Leo?

[Slaz]

Mine is a while away due to other things but there are a few decent builds around and happening at the moment, there was a lot of big part no power builds there for a while so good to see some combo's and results posted with proof, just go back through this thread, hasnt been much to admire for a while.

[Lukezen27]

I'm happy with it, particularly cause there's more in it.:)
Use is circuit race endurance engine.

Kick'n ass Adrian

I finally get a K and you rip out crazy B power numbers lol


Thats not your sleeved B series monster Leo?

Not hard to guess who's motor this is :o

[timofytit]

HUGE numbers for a bseries. huge numbers for any honda NA motor :thumbsup: track car? drag car? baller street car?

Love it!!

[evil R34]

Engine - JDM K20A
Displacement - standard
Bore - standard
Stroke - standard
CR - 11.5:1
Camshaft - skunk2 stage 2
Camgear Settings - standard exhaust 50 deg vtc
VTEC X-Over - 5000rpm
Gearbox - Fd2R
I/H/E - 3 inch home made intake with blox vstack filter, rbc manifold, 74mm skunk2 tb, jdmyard headers, 3 inch straight through 1 muffler high flow cat
ECU - kpro
also skunk2 valve springs and retainers


http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr86/ballistick20/dyno2.jpg

[EG5]

Nice progress Nick

[fatboyz39]

Any before dyno graphs? Be interesting the power difference with those cams and mods.

[89lude]

Any before dyno graphs? Be interesting the power difference with those cams and mods.

as above, that'd be nice!

[TODA AU]

VTEC X-Over - unknown


Vtec X-over - 5000rpm :thumbsup:

Re before & after...
Can do... But Nick, you'll need to PM me your rego number so can print one off & scan it.

Nb. The old ECU was an AEM EMS, so part of the gain (7~8kw*) is the swap to Hondata with better cam control.
* Based on 2 previous cars (EK K20 & DC5 K24) tuned with AEM then swapped to Hondata & tuned again.

[u mad?]

Adrian is that power output typical for a jdm k20a with all the basic bolt-ons with cams? Did you choose/suggest this combo?

[TODA AU]

Adrian is that power output typical for a jdm k20a with all the basic bolt-ons with cams? Did you choose/suggest this combo?
The combination used for this car is all Nicks. Nick built it himself & has proved more than capable with the spanners.
My input was as the tuner, so to be fair I’d say; though this sort of output is most certainly achievable with decent parts & tuning,
I wouldn't say it was typical.
The main power advantages for K-swaps like this over & above the bolt-on parts & cams used are no power steering & no A/C.
(That’s power to the wheels)
Disadvantages include noise & comfort.

[GSi_PSi]

Adrian whats your thoughts on the electric power steering pump from the mr2 for the kswapped cars?.
8hp vs 1-2 hp loss

[mocchi]

Adrian whats your thoughts on the electric power steering pump from the mr2 for the kswapped cars?.
8hp vs 1-2 hp loss

what do you mean 8hp vs 1-2 hp loss?

[beeza]

Engine - d16y4 SOHC Non Vtec
Displacement - 1.6L
Bore - 75mm
Stroke - 90mm
CR - 9.2:1
Camshaft - Bisimoto Level 1
Camgear Settings - 7 deg. advanced
Gearbox - Stock auto
I/H/E - Custom Cold Air/Wrapped 4-2-1 X-Force/2" Mandrel bent,no res.
ECU - Stock..

Low in power numbers but a great fun car to drive none the less.

http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy25/beeza4/100_1516.jpg

[GSi_PSi]

Well Claimed Hp Loss when using P/S is around 6-8hp

[TODA AU]

Well Claimed Hp Loss when using P/S is around 6-8hp
I've actually tested it on a B-Series track engine & the loss was 5.7kw.
The loss starts at 8200rpm with the total loss realised by 9100rpm
164.3kw vs 170kw
So that equates to 7.6hp at the wheels...
But it's only right up in the top end, the rest of the rev range is even stevens
NB:This is using an underdrive system vs none but I don't have any info re vs std pulley sizes but it's likley to be a little more.
The electric pump sounds like a good idea though as K's see measurable gains for using such systems (EP3, FN2, CL7)

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee117/TODA_AU/20LB18CP-SvsNoP-S001.jpg

The above sheet illistrates the power loss from no power steering to using an under drive OEM power steering system. The main loss is up high.

[evil R34]

Disadvantages include noise & comfort.

hahahahahaha definitely noise


and thanks yonas must be those headers :P haha will cya on the 10th of october

[TODA AU]

As requested, Nick's (evil R34) before & after dyno sheet.
Please see post # 527 for specs.
evil R34 can elaborate on the changes.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee117/TODA_AU/NickJDMK20Abeforeafter001.jpg

[TODA AU]

Customer car

Engine - B18C2 (AUDM DC2 VtiR Motor)
Displacement - 1797cc
Bore -81.00mm
Stroke - 87.2mm
CR -Standard - Approx 10.2:1
Camshaft - Skunk 2 B-Series Pro 1 (SK2 valve train - cams, springs, retainers, valves)
Camgear Settings - Intake 105deg LCA / Exhaust 98deg LCA
Gearbox - OEM DC2 VtiR
I/H/E - GruppeM + Custom 3" pipe + SK2 70mm throttle + SK2 intake manifold + Buddyclub Header + 200Cel metal cat + 2.5" echaust.
ECU - Hondata OBD2a P28 S300
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee117/TODA_AU/B18C2140kwstdbottomend001.jpg
Notes:
* Above graph shows before & after power output (Base is stock - no modifications)
* The head has recived extensive port work based on our latest race engine data.
* There are a few pit falls in using this combination without certain proccesses being performed.
* The midrange could be improved significantly with the use of a better header (Ie Toda)
* Alternative camshafts may also deliver better results (I'll know soon enough anyway)

[Slaz]

Impressive all things considered on the above post.....

So a cam change is going to happen?

[TODA AU]

Impressive all things considered on the above post.....

So a cam change is going to happen?

Naa, this one's done...
But more data for the memory bank & do better on the next one :)

[TODA AU]

Customer car

Engine - B18C7 (AUDM DC2 Type R Motor)
Displacement - 1797cc
Bore -81.00mm
Stroke - 87.2mm
CR -Standard - Approx 11.3:1 (Head overhaul + 0.6mm TODA head gasket)
Camshaft - TODA Racing Spec B (TODA valve train - cams, springs) Std retainers & std valves.
Camgear Settings - Intake 102.5deg LCA / Exhaust 102.5deg LCA (Vtec lobes)
Gearbox - OEM DC2 Type R
I/H/E - Mugen Airbox + Std throttle & manifold + TODA Header + 100Cel metal cat + SPOON N1 Exhaust.
ECU - Apexi Power FC
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee117/TODA_AU/JamesB18C7002.jpg

Above image shows TODA B B18C7 vs Skunk2 Pro 1 B18C2 (From post 541)
The TODA engine (blue line) makes peak power @ 8000rpm (rev limit 8600rpm) - 8500rpm shown on dyno sheet
The SK2 engine (red line) makes peak power @ 8600rpm (rev limit 8900rpm) - 8800rpm shown on dyno sheet
(Different gear ratios & wheels sizes account for approx 10km of speed difference vs RPM - both 4th gear)
B18C7 has ported head (previous method) / B18C2 has ported head (new method)
B18C7 torque charaterisic is typical of Toda 4-2-1 header & Spec B
B18C2 torque charaterisic is typical of Try Y header

B17C7 with new method head porting comming soon...
The aim is to pass 145kw @ the wheels with a std bottom end B18C7

[GSi_PSi]

wow total output power means jackall vs all that midrange but what if the c2 engine had similar compression not really fair against stock vtir comp

[TODA AU]

wow total output power means jackall vs all that midrange but what if the c2 engine had similar compression not really fair against stock vtir comp
Peak power diff is only 1.2kw
The midrange is cams & header.
Sure, comp & gear ratio helps a little, but the C2 has better artwork.
More comp would help...
But the comparison was just stock bottom end.
140+ is doable with the port work with either B18.

[NSPYRE]

Wow, very impressive figures.

Just one quick question and I feel like a bit of a retard asking, but how did you increase displacement from 1797cc to 1979cc with standard bore and stroke? I feel like I'm missing something really simple... -_-

[TODA AU]

Wow, very impressive figures.

Just one quick question and I feel like a bit of a retard asking, but how did you increase displacement from 1797cc to 1979cc with standard bore and stroke? I feel like I'm missing something really simple... -_-

LOL... The capacity is standard 1797cc...
looks like I mucked up capacity written with a dumb arse cut & paste that I didn't properly check.
I cut & paste the template from a previous post & the coppied the mistake.
Thanks though, I fixed it.

[Benson]

Engine - K24a3 (internally stock)
Displacement - 2400cc
Bore - Stock
Stroke - Stock
CR - Stock
Camshaft - stock
Camgear Settings - 50VTC
VTEC X-Over - 4400
Gearbox - Stock Accord Euro gearbox
I/H/E - RBC port matched 70mm T/B, K-swap V2 headers, 3inch system
ECU -Hondata Kpro
Fuel - Bio- Flex E85

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/fatboyz39/Willysdynorun.png

[crashprash]

Engine - k20z1
Displacement -2000cc
Bore - stock
Stroke -stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - toda spec a2
Camgear Settings -
VTEC X-Over -5.6k
Gearbox -stock
I/H/E - gruppe m, rbc (port matched to tb), skunk2 70mm tb, toda headers+100cel cat, mugen twinloop
ECU - hlatech platinum pro plugin dc5 (tuned by toda au)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2eqKUhrVoW8/TqIZPq9G5bI/AAAAAAAACVI/YLmTDWg6eac/s800/dyno2.jpg

[u mad?]

Engine - k20z1
Displacement -2000cc
Bore - stock
Stroke -stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - toda spec a2
Camgear Settings -
VTEC X-Over -5.6k
Gearbox -stock
I/H/E - gruppe m, rbc (port matched to tb), skunk2 70mm tb, toda headers+100cel cat, mugen twinloop
ECU - hlatech platinum pro plugin dc5 (tuned by toda au)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2eqKUhrVoW8/TqIZPq9G5bI/AAAAAAAACVI/YLmTDWg6eac/s800/dyno2.jpg


Engine - K20Z1
Displacement - 2
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - toda a2 i/e
Gearbox - stock
I/H/E -gruppe m, rbc, skunk2 70mm TB, toda exhaust manifold, mugen twinloop
ECU - Haltech DC5 ecu

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_r3pd9gYI0BE/TDGp5MvenXI/AAAAAAAAAUY/h0torOftaCk/s640/dyno2.jpg

crashprash, what had you done to the car to see these gains? The parts you listed in each post seem to be the same.

[89lude]

port match the rbc and better tune maybe?

[TODA AU]

crashprash, what had you done to the car to see these gains? The parts you listed in each post seem to be the same.
Just the tune...
As time has past, I've learnt a lot more about getting the most out of the Haltech Platinum Pro since I 1st tuned Crash's car,
+ there was a new software update with a few extra nice functions so i asked him to come back in to get that done.
ECU Manager 1.10.2 (http://haltech.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/haltech_ecu_manager_1_10_2_release.zip) over the 1.08 that was in it.
Anyway, my new tricks worked well. :p

Main advantage is better VTC response on the gear shift & transition to Vtec
Better knock control
& improved/revised injection timing

Tuning is one of those things where you get better & better the more you do it,
So though I was happy with the result when I 1st tuned Crash's car,
(shortly after the Haltech was released.)
To stay at the top of my game, I'm always open to learning & trying new things.
So, since it'd been a while since I'd seen his car, I was pretty sure I could now do better
Case in point, these results are proof of that.

[GSi_PSi]

Crashprash how does the car compare to before

[Lukezen27]

Just the tune...
As time has past, I've learnt a lot more about getting the most out of the Haltech Platinum Pro since I 1st tuned Crash's car,
+ there was a new software update with a few extra nice functions so i asked him to come back in to get that done.
ECU Manager 1.10.2 (http://haltech.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/haltech_ecu_manager_1_10_2_release.zip) over the 1.08 that was in it.
Anyway, my new tricks worked well. :p

Main advantage is better VTC response on the gear shift & transition to Vtec
Better knock control
& improved/revised injection timing

Tuning is one of those things where you get better & better the more you do it,
So though I was happy with the result when I 1st tuned Crash's car,
(shortly after the Haltech was released.)
To stay at the top of my game, I'm always open to learning & trying new things.
So, since it'd been a while since I'd seen his car, I was pretty sure I could now do better
Case in point, these results are proof of that.

Worth me getting a return Adrian?

Still can't break into the 13's

14.02 is my PB with the TYPE-R

[u mad?]

Thanks for that Adrian.


Worth me getting a return Adrian?

Still can't break into the 13's

14.02 is my PB with the TYPE-R

how much power you got? whats your 60ft?

[Lukezen27]

Thanks for that Adrian.



how much power you got? whats your 60ft?

137-140 ish

60ft 2.21 on the dot close to every run

[crashprash]

crashprash, what had you done to the car to see these gains? The parts you listed in each post seem to be the same.


Just the tune...
As time has past, I've learnt a lot more about getting the most out of the Haltech Platinum Pro since I 1st tuned Crash's car,
+ there was a new software update with a few extra nice functions so i asked him to come back in to get that done.
ECU Manager 1.10.2 (http://haltech.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/haltech_ecu_manager_1_10_2_release.zip) over the 1.08 that was in it.
Anyway, my new tricks worked well. :p

Main advantage is better VTC response on the gear shift & transition to Vtec
Better knock control
& improved/revised injection timing

Tuning is one of those things where you get better & better the more you do it,
So though I was happy with the result when I 1st tuned Crash's car,
(shortly after the Haltech was released.)
To stay at the top of my game, I'm always open to learning & trying new things.
So, since it'd been a while since I'd seen his car, I was pretty sure I could now do better
Case in point, these results are proof of that.

Thanks Adrian


Crashprash how does the car compare to before

looking at the graph u can see the vtec transition is a lot smoother and u can feel it when driving..i dont get a sudden burst of torque steer..its got a bit more torque down low..and really shifts at the high revs..not sure wt more u want me to say?

[Benson]

Engine - BYP K24/K20 Franskenstein
Displacement - 2400cc
Bore - 87mm
Stroke - 99mm
CR - 11.5: - 10.5
Camshaft - OEM
Camgear Settings - OEM
VTEC X-Over - 4500
Gearbox - GEAR-X
I/H/E -RRC + 70mm/4-1's/3inch
ECU -Hondata Kpro
Fuel - E85

This engine combination built by BYP goes to show the real potential of K-series using OEM products. There are little tricks and small addition added to the engine combination to make it all work well together. All thats needed to be known is that all major engine components are all OEM!

Note - Car was tuned on 18inch Advan 050's

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/fatboyz39/bypfrank.jpg

[89lude]

^^^^^^ wow i cant wait for the egg now shit

[u mad?]

how much power did it make? can't see the pics for some reason

edit- i see the pic now, fuarrrk 177 thats nuts

[Mr.Brightside]

Oem ftw :)

[TODA AU]

K20 or K24 OEM camshafts?
What was the ramp rate & inertia for this run? (or shootout mode used)

[Benson]

K20 or K24 OEM camshafts?
What was the ramp rate & inertia for this run? (or shootout mode used)

Mixture of OEM camshafts :)

Ramp rate 150 stablise time 3.0sec

Normal tuning mode (new dyno dynamic software)

[TODA AU]

Mixture of OEM camshafts :)

Ramp rate 150 stablise time 3.0sec

Normal tuning mode (new dyno dynamic software)

Fair enough, Good result :thumbsup:

[nugget]

if e85 wasnt used in the previous run, how much less power would it make?

[TODA AU]

OEM K20A POWER... :p

Customer car (Twest)

Engine - K20A (Standard EP3 Type R)
Displacement - 1998cc (Stock)
Bore -86.0 (Stock)
Stroke - 86.0 (Stock)
CR -11.5:1 (Stock)
Camshaft - EP3 CTR (Stock)
Vtec Swap - 4000rpm @ 90kpa / 5700rpm @ 40kpa
Camgear Settings - OEM 50 degree VTC
Gearbox - OEM EP3 CTR
I/H/E - SIMOTA CAI + Skunk2 70mm throttle - Ported & flowed RBC plenum / Kiddracing header / Mugen Twin-loop Ex
Built by Dr Honda

ECU - HONDATA K-Pro tuned by TODA

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee117/TODA_AU/IMAG0234.jpg

4th gear runs
Shoot 4 - 80 inertia / 100 ramp rate

Base power run made an impressive peak of 139kw but mixtures were dangerously lean over 6000rpm
Mid range was less than impressive, but base run was untuned.
So anyway, once tuned, LOL, I was pretty happy with this one :p

[Twest]

OEM K20A POWER... :p

Customer car (Twest)

Engine - K20A (Standard EP3 Type R)
Displacement - 1998cc (Stock)
Bore -86.0 (Stock)
Stroke - 86.0 (Stock)
CR -11.5:1 (Stock)
Camshaft - EP3 CTR (Stock)
Vtec Swap - 4000rpm @ 90kpa / 5700rpm @ 40kpa
Camgear Settings - OEM 50 degree VTC
Gearbox - OEM EP3 CTR
I/H/E - SIMOTA CAI + Skunk2 70mm throttle - Ported & flowed RBC plenum / Kiddracing header / Unknown exhaust
(Approx 2.5" ~ 3.0" - sorry didn't look)
Built by Dr Honda

ECU - HONDATA K-Pro tuned by TODA

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee117/TODA_AU/IMAG0234.jpg

4th gear runs
Shoot 4 - 80 inertia / 100 ramp rate

Base power run made an impressive peak of 139kw but mixtures were dangerously lean over 6000rpm
Mid range was less than impressive, but base run was untuned.
So anyway, once tuned, LOL, I was pretty happy with this one :p

All comes down to the tuner adrian :P Heaps happy with the tune and thankyou very much for the followup call!

p.s Exhaust was Mugen Twinloop.

[Benson]

Engine - K24a3 (Accord Euro)
Displacement - 2400cc
Bore -87.0 mm (stock)
Stroke - 99 mm (stock)
CR -10.5:1 (stock)
Camshaft - Stock with 50VTC
Vtec Swap - 4400
Camgear Settings - OEM 50 degree VTC
Gearbox - K20 6 speed
I/H/E - RBC + 70mm (port matched)/ CAI + blox filter/4-1's/3inch
Fuel - E85
Engine management - Hondata Kpro (BYP Tuned)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/fatboyz39/damoretune.jpg

The potential of the stock K24 engine are amazing. Check out the results from this k24 with basic bolt-ons. With E85, this engine makes peak power @ 6500rpm and carries 148kw all the way to 8000rpms. This engine was in a very fast EG :)

[Bludger]

this thread is becoming BYP vs Toda

Justsayin.

keepin it real.

[EKVTIR-T]

this thread is becoming BYP vs Toda

Justsayin.

keepin it real.

Yeah was pretty obvious lol

The rebuttal dyno sheets :)

But competition is a way of harvesting growth which cant be bad

[Bludger]

would be good to see a mixture of engines, you know, more D series & B series motors.

nomsayin....

[AK Type R]

TODA power..
just saying.

[EKVTIR-T]

Looks more like OEM + Hondata power to me

[Benson]

Just sharing with ozhonda. But if you guys dont want me to share, then ill keep it to myself :)

[EKVTIR-T]

No we need dyno charts,info and feedback so we can all learn and prosper as a community


By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest.

[GSi_PSi]

No moarrr dyno graphs !...

Btw Benny is the oil pump in that k24 stock ?

[Mr.Brightside]

No moarrr dyno graphs !...

Btw Benny is the oil pump in that k24 stock ?

Yeah standard oil pump

[AK Type R]

Quote Originally Posted by Bludger View Post
this thread is becoming BYP vs Toda

Justsayin.

keepin it real.

Haha you couldnt even compare the two at all... Love the EP3 TODA tune beautiful curve so neat and straight through to 8300rpm... well done Adrian show those Americans what us Aussies can do...

post edited for some people who seem to be severely affected by incorrect numbers :)

[Mr.Brightside]

are you looking at the right graph? it revs to 8.3k lol

[GSi_PSi]

^lol fail


in the end dyno is just tuning tool, 177kw eg has proven its power on the track with a 1:04:2 round wakey........just sayin

[AK Type R]

oh i missed the one where you blew your motor 5 times ..
just saying..

[EKVTIR-T]

Quote Originally Posted by Bludger View Post
this thread is becoming BYP vs Toda

Justsayin.

keepin it real.

Haha you couldnt even compare the two at all... Love the EP3 TODA tune beautiful curve so neat and straight through to 9000rpm... well done Adrian show those Americans what us Aussies can do...

I lol'd

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSvS41mjSOa_2UoKhA8WIrI2YpC8ZXvq YYmQss1lFIo_68pXEiKJ7KzEEfdmw


Why couldnt you compare them?

[AK Type R]

thats not a question right ?

[Mr.Brightside]

who blew their motor 5 times?
read my build thread for the full report. i think a standard motor pushing nearly 300kw @8300 rpm in two seperate cars for over a year is pretty impressive. if you knew something about what your talking about, maybe you wouldn't make such comments.

[Vvvtec]

Quote Originally Posted by Bludger View Post
this thread is becoming BYP vs Toda

Justsayin.

keepin it real.

Haha you couldnt even compare the two at all... Love the EP3 TODA tune beautiful curve so neat and straight through to 8300rpm... well done Adrian show those Americans what us Aussies can do...

post edited for some people who seem to be severely affected by incorrect numbers :)

Why not?

Srs question

[GSi_PSi]

oh i missed the one where you blew your motor 5 times ..
just saying..


didnt blow any of my motors dude, i did blow my wad seeing damo's eg smash every car out there at shift performance trackday...

just sayin

[AK Type R]

no1 was talking to you gsi_psi stop budding in.. go on youtube and "blow your wad"..

[fatboyz39]

Getting off topic.

[simmy]

far man, what's all this hate,,, going to get you know where, track,, drags will prove it just sayin

[TheSaint]

keep it clean fellas - its not a competition

[GSi_PSi]

no1 was talking to you gsi_psi stop budding in.. go on youtube and "blow your wad"..

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/942-okay-meme.jpg

[AK Type R]

smile didnt mean to upset you :)

[GSi_PSi]

ayc kicked in yo

[EKVTIR-T]

Stop budding in

[SXC-84K]

Because my vtec is bigger than yours :)

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/386555_10150383852566875_571871874_8488494_1202391 95_n.jpg

[GSi_PSi]

Stop budding in

hey hey hey, smoke weed everyday

[simmy]

hey charles cu den all night like

[Glocker]

Because my vtec is bigger than yours :)

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/386555_10150383852566875_571871874_8488494_1202391 95_n.jpg

SPECS BRO SPECSSSSS WHAT IS THAT MOTOR!? And on probably the meanest dyno in Sydney too!

[Slaz]

far man, what's all this hate,,, going to get you know where, track,, drags will prove it just sayin

Least Simmy's got it half right in a track wont tell you much about a cars power, nor will the drags really given weights and gearing, same dyno, same day, SAME RAMP RATES, then start comparing. Good to see some good numbers though once you have a basemap, not hard getting a result with a Hondata or most factory based ecu set-ups.

Building the motor, do the porting, degree the cams properly and understand what the adjustments will do prior to doing them and know your not going to damage the motor and then tune it, still not too many shops that can string it all together.

But feel free to correct me if I am wrong. ;)

[zropts]

Engine - JDM B18CR
Displacement - 1.8
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - stock
Camgear Settings - stock
VTEC X-Over - 4500rpm
Gearbox - Spoon Clutch & Flywheel
I/H/E - Edelbrock Performer X IM, Edelbrock 65mm TB, Mugen airbox, Toda Headers, SARD Cat, Fujitsubo RM01A catback
ECU - Hondata S300 tuned by Adrian (Toda Racing Australia)

[will13]

Not bad! What made you go with the edelbrock manifold?

[zropts]

Longer runners than ITR's... and was port matched from factory to match my TB of 65mm. IMO best IM for B18C bolt on application.

[TheSaint]

Longer runners than ITR's... and was port matched from factory to match my TB of 65mm. IMO best IM for B18C bolt on application.

how does the skunk2 IM compare - i hear such black and white reviews on it

[zropts]

I havent tried it but would be similar. Skunk2 IM comes with 70mm opening. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[u mad?]

What did adrian have to say about your combo? thought he says that if your b18c7 is standard, no point in up-grading IM and TB as they are good units from factory?


maor dyno sheettzzz, so interesting to look at.

[zropts]

Nothing.... I was asking for a tune and he did the job. ITR IM and TB are very good as standard units but after $800, would you put both Edelbrock units just to gain that extra 2-3kws? My goal was to have all proven quality performance bolt on mods and reach 130kw. I made sure I could squeeze every kw in that run thus Edelbrock was my personal preference for IM and TB.

[zropts]

how does the skunk2 IM compare - i hear such black and white reviews on it

Yes you're right, too many black and white reviews on the net and community thus I went Edelbrock as all I've heard was positive feedback.

[dougie_504]

I'm under the impression that the ITR IM/TB if ported well is pretty much the best performer, or certainly best value for money. From the reviews I've heard, and from personal experience.

[EG5]

I havent tried it but would be similar. Skunk2 IM comes with 70mm opening. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Skunk2 b18c intake manifold came with 64mm opening .

[DNYALL]

Skunk2 b18c intake manifold came with 64mm opening .

yep, i had to get my old skunk2 IM opened up more to suit the my old 70mm TB setup.

[TheSaint]

Skunk2 b18c intake manifold came with 64mm opening .

arnt they designed to be ported out if need be?
could easily turn it out on cnc/lathe?

[TheSaint]

has anyone tried a twin throttle body system on a honda engine before?

iv seen them around on mitsibishis and hyundais

like these systems ...

http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/f880a9906fab591a63a75fdfaadd1c95.jpg

http://image.gmhightechperformance.com/f/10603703/0811gmhtp_10_z+edelbrock_rpm_air_gap_lt1_intake_ma nifold_testing+edelbrock_52mm_twin_throttle_body.j pg

[nate92]

car made 101.4kw pretty happy about that :)
Engine - B18C2 stock
VTEC X-Over - first at 4500 then vtec kicked in about 6000
Gearbox -stock
I/H/E -custom cold air intake, stock headers, magnaflow muffler
ECU - stock
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm159/fineoner/fb9b441f.jpg

[infurNOS]

Engine - JDM B18CR
Displacement - 1.8
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - stock
Camgear Settings - stock
VTEC X-Over - 4500rpm
Gearbox - Spoon Clutch & Flywheel
I/H/E - Edelbrock Performer X IM, Edelbrock 65mm TB, Mugen airbox, Toda Headers, SARD Cat, Fujitsubo RM01A catback
ECU - Hondata S300 tuned by Adrian (Toda Racing Australia)

How long did it take to tune?

[Bludger]

car made 101.4kw pretty happy about that :)
Engine - B18C2 stock
VTEC X-Over - first at 4500 then vtec kicked in about 6000
Gearbox -stock
I/H/E -custom cold air intake, stock headers, magnaflow muffler
ECU - stock
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm159/fineoner/fb9b441f.jpg
what year and how many km's on your motor?

[Glocker]

car made 101.4kw pretty happy about that :)
Engine - B18C2 stock
VTEC X-Over - first at 4500 then vtec kicked in about 6000
Gearbox -stock
I/H/E -custom cold air intake, stock headers, magnaflow muffler
ECU - stock
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm159/fineoner/fb9b441f.jpg

Zomg nice, I got only 90kw and my AFRs were all over the place! Do you have an aftermarket intake manifold? I was running a skunk2, that could be a problem...

[Bludger]

Zomg nice, I got only 90kw and my AFRs were all over the place! Do you have an aftermarket intake manifold? I was running a skunk2, that could be a problem...
are you saying it's nice, just to be polite, or you really aspire to that?

[nate92]

what year and how many km's on your motor?

98 model and 194xxxkms on it

[nate92]

Zomg nice, I got only 90kw and my AFRs were all over the place! Do you have an aftermarket intake manifold? I was running a skunk2, that could be a problem...

Nah no aftermarket intake mani, just stock snail all the way!

[Glocker]

are you saying it's nice, just to be polite, or you really aspire to that?

unlike you i haven't been infected by the bitter cynical hateful virus yet, i mean my compliments

[Bludger]

unlike you i haven't been infected by the bitter cynical hateful virus yet, i mean my compliments
are you sure?

you seem to portray many of those symptoms over on jdmst.

[Glocker]

are you sure?

you seem to portray many of those symptoms over on jdmst.

i mean my compliments and i don't mean my insults

[Bludger]

i mean my compliments and i don't mean my insults
me too fgt

[Vvvtec]

Spunk2 manifold on the c2 is disgusting unless you take the time to properly match the tb and tune it.

[Vvvtec]

car made 101.4kw pretty happy about that :)
Engine - B18C2 stock
VTEC X-Over - first at 4500 then vtec kicked in about 6000
Gearbox -stock
I/H/E -custom cold air intake, stock headers, magnaflow muffler
ECU - stock
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm159/fineoner/fb9b441f.jpg

EXCELLENT result! :thumbsup:

You should be very pleased with that :)

[Glocker]

Spunk2 manifold on the c2 is disgusting unless you take the time to properly match the tb and tune it.

go for skunk2 70mm tb, hondata + tune?

[Bludger]

go for skunk2 70mm tb, hondata + tune?
70mm is huge fgt.

[nate92]

EXCELLENT result! :thumbsup:

You should be very pleased with that :)

thanks heaps man, yeah im very pleased :) thought i would get like 90 or something like that

[Glocker]

70mm is huge fgt.

true that, just found intake mani is only 64mm in size, ****ing just file the damn TB and portmatch it


thanks heaps man, yeah im very pleased :) thought i would get like 90 or something like that

yeah man good work!

[Vvvtec]

go for skunk2 70mm tb, hondata + tune?

No way, 70mm is huuuuuge

For stock c2 cams, use snail mani and stock tb (maybe ITR 63mm tb with port matched mani) + hondata and tune

To get good result from the shit2 mani, bigger cams + 65mm tb + port match + tune

No need at all for skank2 mani. I hate mine lol. Going back to snail one before kswap goes in I dislike it that much :p

[nate92]

true that, just found intake mani is only 64mm in size, ****ing just file the damn TB and portmatch it



yeah man good work!


Cheers broo


Yeah man i was goin to go teh mani but now i fell inlove with teh whole snail mani man! love the sounds of the 4500 tehn vtec yo!

[Vvvtec]

Cheers broo


Yeah man i was goin to go teh mani but now i fell inlove with teh whole snail mani man! love the sounds of the 4500 tehn vtec yo!

Good idea dude

No ones like the snail mani cos it looks ugry lol

But it's great, gives good low-mid range torque

[Glocker]

No way, 70mm is huuuuuge

For stock c2 cams, use snail mani and stock tb (maybe ITR 63mm tb with port matched mani) + hondata and tune

To get good result from the shit2 mani, bigger cams + 65mm tb + port match + tune

No need at all for skank2 mani. I hate mine lol. Going back to snail one before kswap goes in I dislike it that much :p

watafk, cams port match and tune? **** this shit

[Bludger]

watafk, cams port match and tune? **** this shit
what did you expect?

pnp?

fgt.

[Glocker]

what did you expect?

pnp?

fgt.

expect shit2 to not be 2shit but unfortunately it really is fukkkkkkk

[Bludger]

expect shit2 to not be 2shit but unfortunately it really is fukkkkkkk
it gives you pr3 type R style mani on p72 head.

fgt

[Vvvtec]

watafk, cams port match and tune? **** this shit

Port match isn't hard... Infact if you use oem ITR tb you won't need to port anything. If you choose to get true 65mm tb you only need to open up the manifold 1mm...

Think about it, that manifold is designed for ITR head. Even ITR cams would be a nice upgrade over c2 cams. As bau said its not simply pnp if you want to actually get gains from it.

Trust me, I know. It's the trap i fell into when i was a noob haha.

[nate92]

Port match isn't hard... Infact if you use oem ITR tb you won't need to port anything. If you choose to get true 65mm tb you only need to open up the manifold 1mm...

Think about it, that manifold is designed for ITR head. Even ITR cams would be a nice upgrade over c2 cams. As bau said its not simply pnp if you want to actually get gains from it.

Trust me, I know. It's the trap i fell into when i was a noob haha.

Yeah i get headers and exhaust done thinking of gettin itr cams and hondata and tuning it and pretty much will be happy with teh car like that

[Vvvtec]

Yeah i get headers and exhaust done thinking of gettin itr cams and hondata and tuning it and pretty much will be happy with teh car like that

Save your money. Instead of buying cams and hondata first, and get yourself an ITR LSD/close ratio box IMO!

Will make your car alot more enjoyable to drive than the cams will :)

[nate92]

hahah i was tossing up between the 2! i didnt know which one to go first! just more money to save for a new clutch and maybe a lighten flywheel while teh box is out

[Vvvtec]

hahah i was tossing up between the 2! i didnt know which one to go first! just more money to save for a new clutch and maybe a lighten flywheel while teh box is out

I highly highly highly recommend going the gearbox route.

[Glocker]

Save your money. Instead of buying cams and hondata first, and get yourself an ITR LSD/close ratio box IMO!

Will make your car alot more enjoyable to drive than the cams will :)

i reckon even a b16a gearbox will rock the **** off the b18c2

[Vvvtec]

Indeed ^^

But ITR box wins for the oem LSD

[Glocker]

Indeed ^^

But ITR box wins for the oem LSD

yeah but good luck on finding a good condition one. same as the B16A really lol...at least they are cheap u can rebuild them and fit a mad LSD like a Kaaz or something

[Bludger]

yeah but good luck on finding a good condition one. same as the B16A really lol...at least they are cheap u can rebuild them and fit a mad LSD like a Kaaz or something
no point buying someone elses shit.

buy cheapest and rebuild.

[Super-DA9]

No need at all for skank2 mani. I hate mine lol. Going back to snail one before kswap goes in I dislike it that much :p


expect shit2 to not be 2shit but unfortunately it really is fukkkkkkk

dont know what to say really but my S2 manifold worked great, very noticeable power increase after installing it and the injen CAI.

however I have buddyclub cams and tune also so it may need supporting parts and tune to function well.. larger TB and port match is a must though, which I'm only getting around to now.

hopefully it takes well to the build im doing with all the supertech parts.

[Vvvtec]

dont know what to say really but my S2 manifold worked great, very noticeable power increase after installing it and the injen CAI.

however I have buddyclub cams and tune also so it may need supporting parts and tune to function well.. larger TB and port match is a must though, which I'm only getting around to now.

hopefully it takes well to the build im doing with all the supertech parts.

Yeah man, I meant that in my own context. I never got mine tuned/set up properly thats why I have such a love/hate thing about it haha

If I chose to go further with the B i'd be doing exactly what you're doing ;)

[Super-DA9]

Yeah man, I meant that in my own context. I never got mine tuned/set up properly thats why I have such a love/hate thing about it haha

If I chose to go further with the B i'd be doing exactly what you're doing ;)

thanks dude, will be looking forward to seeing some of them baller K24 numbers soon ;D

[Bludger]

Yeah man, I meant that in my own context. I never got mine tuned/set up properly thats why I have such a love/hate thing about it haha

If I chose to go further with the B i'd be doing exactly what you're doing ;)
you know where to go with your K motor.

[GSi_PSi]

you know where to go with your K motor.

CB auto dyno tuning services

[Bludger]

CB auto dyno tuning services
I was thinking go get fked

[Vvvtec]

Pm sent

[GSi_PSi]

I was thinking go get fked

getfkdmate dyno tuning services is quite good aswell

[zropts]

How long did it take to tune?

Took around 3-4hours

[GSi_PSi]

Engine - JDM K20A
Displacement - 2L
Bore - 86mm
Stroke - 86mm
CR - 11:1
Camshaft - stock
Camgear Settings - stock
VTEC X-Over - 4700rpm
Gearbox - Stock 6 Speed LSD
I/H/E - Custom 3inch BYP Catback, BWR Headers 4-2-1, BYP Short Ram,
ECU - Hondata KPRO tuned by BYP

Green was 2.5 Inch , Red 3 inch exhaust

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/413826_349327388452663_314284045290331_1193110_989 219843_o.jpg

[Super-DA9]

so i take it you decided to stick with the 2.5"?

3" does seem a little big for N/A 4 cylinder unless very heavily modified I suppose

[GSi_PSi]

lol sorry post edited... it was the other way around.. made more power especially in the midrange with the 3"

[Super-DA9]

haha well I thought wrong then!

[Vvvtec]

Engine - JDM K20A
Displacement - 2L
Bore - 86mm
Stroke - 86mm
CR - 11:1
Camshaft - stock
Camgear Settings - stock
VTEC X-Over - 4700rpm
Gearbox - Stock 6 Speed LSD
I/H/E - Custom 3inch BYP Catback, BWR Headers 4-2-1, BYP Short Ram,
ECU - Hondata KPRO tuned by BYP

Green was 2.5 Inch , Red 3 inch exhaust

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/413826_349327388452663_314284045290331_1193110_989 219843_o.jpg

Awesome result for stock motor with just bolt-ons!

[GSi_PSi]

Awesome result for stock motor with just bolt-ons!

needs more 2.4L bottom end nommsayin?.. nekminnute your engines bottom end at byp disappears hehe

[Vvvtec]

needs more 2.4L bottom end nommsayin?.. nekminnute your engines bottom end at byp disappears hehe

lol

then im all like

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/glee/images/a/a6/Herp-derp-meme-face-i0.png

[Slaz]

Engine - JDM K20A
Displacement - 2L
Bore - 86mm
Stroke - 86mm
CR - 11:1
Camshaft - stock
Camgear Settings - stock
VTEC X-Over - 4700rpm
Gearbox - Stock 6 Speed LSD
I/H/E - Custom 3inch BYP Catback, BWR Headers 4-2-1, BYP Short Ram,
ECU - Hondata KPRO tuned by BYP

Green was 2.5 Inch , Red 3 inch exhaust

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/413826_349327388452663_314284045290331_1193110_989 219843_o.jpg

Got the pic of the full sheet with rates and figures below it??

[alessioo]

21717B16a2
Std bore
Std displacement
Std stroke
Brian crower stage 2 cams
Brian crower cam gears
Brian crower valve train upgrade.

Xforce full system
Carbon whale penis

Cams advanced 4 degree intake and exhaust

Hondata s300v2

103 kwatw

Drives well smooth right through the rev range

[Slaz]

Yep, looks good on std shootout mode so no overinflating there, solid.

[GSi_PSi]

Got the pic of the full sheet with rates and figures below it??

Thats what i got from BYP.... maybe they can chime in and tell you what ramp rates etc

[chubby steve]

Engine - B18C2
Displacement - 1.8
Bore - standard
Stroke - standard
CR - standard
Camshaft - standard
Camgear Settings - standard
VTEC X-Over -standard
Gearbox - Type R 4.7 gearbox
I/H/E - Pod filter and spoon catback
ECU - standard
http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz67/roach1187/IMG_1153-1.jpg

[Super-DA9]

Engine - B18C2
Displacement - 1.8
Bore - standard
Stroke - standard
CR - standard
Camshaft - standard
Camgear Settings - standard
VTEC X-Over -standard
Gearbox - Type R 4.7 gearbox
I/H/E - Pod filter and spoon catback
ECU - standard
http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz67/roach1187/IMG_1153.jpg

pics coming up waaaay too small bro, can't read a thing :(

[chubby steve]

pics coming up waaaay too small bro, can't read a thing :(

resized mate

[unl3a5h]

very nice figures for pretty much stock seems like a healthy engine

[chubby steve]

200XXX kms pretty proud of it i installed plm headers this weekend ill go bak and see what the difference is

[CTR_EK9]

Hey guys, I'll be tuning my car next week and just wanted to share my mods and see what you guys think i'll get (kw) and from what your experience with these mods. I'll post up a dyno graph when the car is finished tune.
Thanks guys

It's a 1999 dc2r b18c7 171xxxkms Milano Red
Short ram intake
Head Porting
98+ JDM 4-1 Header With JDM Cat
Spoon Street Muffler Catback
Buddy Club Racing Spec Condenser
After Market Fuel Pump
Buddy Club Spec VI Camshafts
Buddy Club Adjustable Cam Gears
Buddy Club Valve Spring
Buddy Club Valves
Buddy Club Retainers
Tein SS Coilovers
Hardrace Engine Mounts
Hardrace Rear Camber Kits
Koyo Radiator
Competition Clutch Stage 2
Spoon Light Flywheel
Apex RSM
Hondata s300
Stock Bottom End

[infurNOS]

135kw

I never new Buddyclub made Spec VI, or is it suppose to be IV? Cant wait to see the finished result, build looks good!

[CTR_EK9]

Thanks mate... Yeah Its the new buddy club cams.. I can't wait as well lol

[muzukashi]

Assuming around the 130-135 mark - Let us know the end result budd :)

[CRXDEL501]

100-200kws

No real answer due to every dyno being different

But yeah I'd say 135kw mark there abouts

[CTR_EK9]

Sure ill post it up the dyno sheet when it's finish. Hopefully I'll get 130kw +

[EKVTIR-T]

Dont be too obsessed with a specific kw number as we all know every dyno reads different and also depending on the tune,be it max kw or meaty midrange etc.

Also just be hopeful it is tuned well and has good driveability/reliability

Wish you luck,

regards Stanley

[Wru]

I'm gonna be generous here and say about 145kw.
Will be keeping an eye out to find out for sure, good luck with it.

[CTR_EK9]

Dont be too obsessed with a specific kw number as we all know every dyno reads different and also depending on the tune,be it max kw or meaty midrange etc.

Also just be hopeful it is tuned well and has good driveability/reliability

Wish you luck,

regards Stanley

Thanks for the comment mate, it's very true what you said.

[CTR_EK9]

I'm gonna be generous here and say about 145kw.
Will be keeping an eye out to find out for sure, good luck with it.

Thanks buddy

[infurNOS]

Is this a daily or a track beast? Are you using stock pistons or high comp? BC Spec VI must have a compression over 12.5:1

[dougie_504]

How can we hope to assume without knowing how healthy the block is? lol

Is it compressing well? Half those mods won't effect your power output. But otherwise I'm going to guess 130kw.

[CTR_EK9]

Thanks guys.. ill get back with you guys when its done..

as i said before 130kw+ is good enough lol

[CTR_EK9]

hey guys, new update.. decide not going ahead with the buddy club spec VI anymore so i went with stock type r camshaft but using the buddy club cam gears..

car is at the shop so hopefully ill get it this week or weekend :D

[EKVTIR-T]

Didnt you have a full toda B16b before?

[Super-DA9]

hey guys, new update.. decide not going ahead with the buddy club spec VI anymore so i went with stock type r camshaft but using the buddy club cam gears..

car is at the shop so hopefully ill get it this week or weekend :D

hmm, I'm curious, would there be any point in adjusting cam timing with stock cams?

and I think it is a good decision not to use spec 6's on a stock bottom end. however spec 3+ will perform nicely on stock compression, just something to consider for the future :)

[gbpracing]

hmm, I'm curious, would there be any point in adjusting cam timing with stock cams?

and I think it is a good decision not to use spec 6's on a stock bottom end. however spec 3+ will perform nicely on stock compression, just something to consider for the future :)
I have done this when I had my stock B18A1 LS Integra stock std engine and it did give a beez dick more I think it was 3 kw ATW and moved the power to a higher part of the rpm. If you dont know what your doing you risk some serious engine/ head/ valve damage. Not worth it to be honest..

[Super-DA9]

http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss263/soulbinder/IMG_0930.jpg

Engine Specs:

B18C2 VTi-R
CP 11:1 Forged Pistons
Manley H-Beam Connecting Rods
Balanced rotating assembly
Buddy Club Spec III+ Cams
Buddy Club P1 Cam Gears
Supertech Valvetrain
5 Axis valve seat cut
Skunk2 Pro Series Intake Manifold
Omnipower 68mm Throttle Body
Injen CAI for DC2R
PLM TA Header
Magnaflow 2.5" 100cpsi Cat
Mugen 2.5" Twinloop Exhaust
EnDyn Breather Kit
Exedy Lightweight Flywheel
Tuned with Hondata S300

[infurNOS]

http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss263/soulbinder/IMG_0930.jpg

Engine Specs:

B18C2 VTi-R
CP 11:1 Forged Pistons
Manley H-Beam Connecting Rods
Balanced rotating assembly
Buddy Club Spec III+ Cams
Buddy Club P1 Cam Gears
Supertech Valvetrain
5 Axis valve seat cut
Skunk2 Pro Series Intake Manifold
Omnipower 68mm Throttle Body
Injen CAI for DC2R
PLM TA Header
Magnaflow 2.5" 100cpsi Cat
Mugen 2.5" Twinloop Exhaust
EnDyn Breather Kit
Exedy Lightweight Flywheel
Tuned with Hondata S300

NICE!
My 117kw EG civic was a blast to drive, could imagine how much fun you will have with this. Well done!

[lil_foy]

Nice man! interested to see what mph it does at the drags! How does it feel to drive?

[Super-DA9]

Thanks guys, the engine feels awesome. I've only driven it a few times though, the suspension and wheel alignment is at terrible settings currently so I can only have fun on the straights at the moment haha.

[ALLMTR996]

http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss263/soulbinder/IMG_0930.jpg

Engine Specs:

B18C2 VTi-R
CP 11:1 Forged Pistons
Manley H-Beam Connecting Rods
Balanced rotating assembly
Buddy Club Spec III+ Cams
Buddy Club P1 Cam Gears
Supertech Valvetrain
5 Axis valve seat cut
Skunk2 Pro Series Intake Manifold
Omnipower 68mm Throttle Body
Injen CAI for DC2R
PLM TA Header
Magnaflow 2.5" 100cpsi Cat
Mugen 2.5" Twinloop Exhaust
EnDyn Breather Kit
Exedy Lightweight Flywheel
Tuned with Hondata S300
Great to finally see you get your car going

[Super-DA9]

Great to finally see you get your car going

Cheers man :)

Thanks for your help and advice along the way.

[Lonewolf]

Engine - JDM B18Cr
Displacement - 1.8L
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - stock
Camgear Settings - stock
VTEC X-Over - stock
Gearbox - stock
I/H/E - Mugen Headers and twinloop catback, short ram + pod
ECU - Stock

http://i61.tinypic.com/105v2mv.jpg

Bit lower than anticipated, but against another car means its pretty much at stock power levels (147kw @ flywheel).
Hopefully pick up a bit with a tune, and some cams down the track.
Goal is to add 20-30hp

[stndrd]

Engine - JDM B18Cr
Displacement - 1.8L
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - stock
Camgear Settings - stock
VTEC X-Over - stock
Gearbox - stock
I/H/E - Mugen Headers and twinloop catback, short ram + pod
ECU - Stock

http://i61.tinypic.com/105v2mv.jpg

Bit lower than anticipated, but against another car means its pretty much at stock power levels (147kw @ flywheel).
Hopefully pick up a bit with a tune, and some cams down the track.
Goal is to add 20-30hp


With the right cylinder head & camshaft package you will be able to pick up 15-25kw.

I am currently building a B18C2 that we estimate will make approx 140-150kw at the wheels

[chez00]

That says hp on the chart, though? - 127hp = somewhere around 100kw. There's no way 47kw got lost in the transmission?

[Lonewolf]

That says hp on the chart, though? - 127hp = somewhere around 100kw. There's no way 47kw got lost in the transmission?

yes chart is measured in HP, like i said low reading dyno, usually would have expected 150ish

[neut]

Lonewolf. Are you running full Mugen Twinloop exhaust system? If so your power is getting eaten by it. Try CAI too?

[Lonewolf]

mugen headers, unknown cat converter, and just the twinloop muffler on the rear.
Are the rear mufflers really that restrictive?

[stndrd]

The twin loop muffler looses approx 5% over stock. They just sound good up top in the RPM range

[Lonewolf]

wow, worse than stock?!
power > sound, its a predominantly track car anyway

[stndrd]

Track car just run a straight 2.5in exhaust with a resonator & rear muffler

[Super-DA9]

The twin loop muffler looses approx 5% over stock. They just sound good up top in the RPM range

Sorry just wanting to clarify

5% power?
5% flow?
5% restriction

what is 5%?

[stndrd]

Sorry 5% power to my understanding

[cbauto]

The twin loop muffler looses approx 5% over stock. They just sound good up top in the RPM range
what do you recommend?

[stndrd]

I use Magnaflow mufflers

[cbauto]

I use Magnaflow mufflers

Do you sell magnaflow products?

[stndrd]

I don't sell them. I use and recommend them

[Super-DA9]

What part of the twinloop is restricting? isn't it essentially just a muffler with two bends?

[stndrd]

Every bend in an exhaust or intake system slows down air speed. The more you slow it down, the less efficient it becomes. By having a muffler that has 2 180 degree bends in it, this slows down the air too much causing it to become a bottle neck

[Super-DA9]

Every bend in an exhaust or intake system slows down air speed. The more you slow it down, the less efficient it becomes. By having a muffler that has 2 180 degree bends in it, this slows down the air too much causing it to become a bottle neck

Ok so just quickly going back to the post about the twinloop yielding less performance than the stock system, I could be wrong but I thought the stock muffler (DC2/EG/EK) had quite a few internal bends in it? Like, more than 2.

So I'm still trying to figure out how the 2.5" system with less bends in the muffler can produce less performance than the factory system.

Or is the factory muffler a different design to what I am thinking of?

[neut]

Magnaflow is good quality in my opinion. Im using magnaflow 100 cell, Magnaflow 18inch resornator, vibrant 12inch resornator and Magnflow muffler.

[destrukshn]

personally i use SMB mufflers, made in australia, very high flowing, very quiet, Haks at performance exhaust recommends them.

[Limbo]

Yup got an SMB muffler on my EVO, quieter than the magnaflow ones.
SMB hand pack the mufflers which are more solid.

They are more expensive than the magnaflow ones though

[Lukezen27]

SMB muffler going on Sat at Hacks :)

[EKVTIR-T]

Yup got an SMB muffler on my EVO, quieter than the magnaflow ones.
SMB hand pack the mufflers which are more solid.

They are more expensive than the magnaflow ones thoughjust checked their website

look the goods but around 500 bucks just for rear muffler idk

[destrukshn]

they are well worth the money dude.
i am very fussy with my mufflers, esp about sound, i hate loud cars, period.
been through alot of of mufflers
only the SMB and the ones from hi tech mufflers are the only ones i liked.
but the SMB ones over the hi tech ones hands down.
i'm using thier rear muffler and centre muffler.

[eeko]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10258541_10152814171132222_835057755229868200_n.jp g

Excuse the crap scaling... was done at a dyno day over the weekend....

B16A2

B18C2 Intake Cam
ITR Intake Mani
ITR Throttle Body
ITR Fuel Rail
Ebay CAI
5zigen 4-2-1 Headers
400 Cell Cat
T1R 2.5" Catback
J's 60RR

Stock ECU

Thoughts? Not sure what to make of it tbh...

[cbauto]

Needs tune.

[eeko]

Needs tune.

Think I could actually get something worth it from tuning?

[destrukshn]

change the cat to a 200/100cell cat too.
and get a tune.
you'll get better fuel economy, more power through the whole rev range and more response.
i got a low reading from the dyno day too.

[eeko]

change the cat to a 200/100cell cat too.
and get a tune.
you'll get better fuel economy, more power through the whole rev range and more response.
i got a low reading from the dyno day too.

Hmm yeah dunno if I can justify hondata + tune haha...

100cell is def on the way...

Tbh I was actually amazed that it broke triple figures...

Also Very curious to see what people think about how at the top of the curve it's still rising linearly till it hit redline... More power to be had if I raise the rev limit?

[destrukshn]

looks like you'll get more midrange, as it dips there.
it would be a much nicer power curve.
once you pay for it, you won't look back.
no one ever does. lol
you'll get better fuel economy.
so eventually it'll pay it self, the standard ECU can only compensate so much.

[Super-DA9]

you'll get better fuel economy.

Depends on who's tuning it and what you ask for, both my tunes have reduced economy (not that I am worried about fuel economy). I'm fairly sure that's the cost of getting that bit of extra power from adding fuel and timing.

Eeko, that looks like a pretty normal power output for a B16A with those mods to me. Good stuff.

[stndrd]

Depends on who's tuning it and what you ask for, both my tunes have reduced economy (not that I am worried about fuel economy). I'm fairly sure that's the cost of getting that bit of extra power from adding fuel and timing.

Eeko, that looks like a pretty normal power output for a B16A with those mods to me. Good stuff.


A good tuner will both maximise power while retaining fuel economy

[destrukshn]

Depends on who's tuning it and what you ask for, both my tunes have reduced economy (not that I am worried about fuel economy). I'm fairly sure that's the cost of getting that bit of extra power from adding fuel and timing.

Eeko, that looks like a pretty normal power output for a B16A with those mods to me. Good stuff.

while cruising, you should get more fuel economy.
but more power mid range and flat out.

[Vvvtec]

Think I could actually get something worth it from tuning?

Tune will definitely pull a bit of power out of it. Afr is quiet rich, which is to be expected with the oem map

[dougie_504]

Excuse the crap scaling... was done at a dyno day over the weekend....

B16A2

B18C2 Intake Cam
ITR Intake Mani
ITR Throttle Body
ITR Fuel Rail
Ebay CAI
5zigen 4-2-1 Headers
400 Cell Cat
T1R 2.5" Catback
J's 60RR

Stock ECU

Thoughts? Not sure what to make of it tbh...


Strongly recommend you revert the IM back to the P30 from the B16A2. Will make better power up until 8,000 where the ITR one will be better until cut.

And go a 100CEL cat.

Easy/cheap power there.

[EKVTIR-T]

is there any back to back tests on the IMs dougie

[stndrd]

When you compare the length and diameter of the runner, along with plenum sizes of the P30 vs P73, the P73 is too big for a 1600cc

All the P73 does is slow air speed = loss in power

[Spoon SiRG]

Here's a stock B16A2 for comparison purposes:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Spoon_SiRG/photo3_zps48604450.jpg (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/Spoon_SiRG/media/photo3_zps48604450.jpg.html)

Only utilizing oem honda mods:

B18C Airbox & Intake Arm
JDM ITR 4-1 Header, 2.5 JDM ITR Cat, ITR B-pipe, Stock EK4 muffler

AFR tuned with APEXi VAFCII

[Lonewolf]

http://i57.tinypic.com/2d0m1wo.jpg

B18c7
Mugen Headers, 2.5" exhaust
pod filter
ID600 injectors
Hondata