Spoon Caliper,, Rota slipstreem wheel

[b20b]

Does anyone know if the Rota slipsteem wheel in 15" or 16" fits on a dc2 vtir (4 x 100) with spoon calipers WITHOUT A SPACER. Considering purchace want to get the right wheel. From my reserch these wheels have a 40 offset

[zco]

no they do not

[Sexc86]

hmmm 15s deffinately not... 16s could be a maybe?

paul had 16" rotas with bigbrake willwoods... much bigger the spoons

[b20b]

is there any one else that has experience with 16 rotas wheels,,, will they fit or not. Would realy like someone who has them or has tried to fit them

[PNS 001_EG3]

if your in brissi i have sum 16 inch rotas sitting around waiting to go on my ride. if you have the brakes on and wanna do a trial fit you can pm me. (paul did have rotas with willwoods which are bigger but they were spaced with a 5mm spacer.)

[b20b]

im in Melbourne ,,thanks for that

[fatboyz39]

Those spoon calipers won't fit DC2 hubs without some slight modification.

If you had 5stud then straight bolt on. For 15' wheels you need at least 15x7 +35 offset to clear spoon calipers without spacers. You can use 15x6.5' +38 or +40 with a 8mmspacer and it'll clear it. It also comes down to rim design.

[Q_ball]

You'll need a minimum 3mm spacer.
Also depends on the type of wheel and the way it was designed.

My rims atm are 15x6.5 +35 and they clear the calipers.

[b20b]

You'll need a minimum 3mm spacer.
Also depends on the type of wheel and the way it was designed.

My rims atm are 15x6.5 +35 and they clear the calipers.

Are your wheels 4 or 5 stud if they are 4 stud what brand are they

[Q_ball]

Theyre 4x100 - type, not sure...

[dumped echo]

doesn't the spoon fit run 15" rims with spoon calipers...?
dunno if the calipers are the same size though...

[b20b]

http://www.tempetyres.com.au/products_closeup.asp?part=&part_no=140
star corp racing lite 5 .....15x 6.5 40 off set any one tried these to fit with spoon calipers.... looks like good clearance

[EGB18CT]

i would also like to know he outcome to this i read that real spoons with spoon calipers dont fit at 35 offset but 15s in rota slips fit as they can in a 38 offset?

so much crap talk out there... someone want to try fit some slips with willwood superlites (new kit with dust seals) and or spoon caliper kits?

i know team dynamic wheels fit for sure in 15s depends on spoke design

[Q_ball]

Its not just about offset and rim size that determines whether a spoon caliper is gonna fit or not.
Its also about the length of ur studs, spacers (if applicable) and more importantly, the design of the actual wheel itself.

[EGB18CT]

i reckon just go a wilwood/fastbrakes 11" 4 pot kit, will fit under 15" 40 offset rotas i believe... i mite go the 12.2" willwood kit and squeezt some 16" slips 40 offset with 215 or 225 50 or 45 x 16 tyres hopefully will squeeze under the eg, check out honda-tech heaps of info on brakes...

[b20b]

i reckon just go a wilwood/fastbrakes 11" 4 pot kit, will fit under 15" 40 offset rotas i believe... i mite go the 12.2" willwood kit and squeezt some 16" slips 40 offset with 215 or 225 50 or 45 x 16 tyres hopefully will squeeze under the eg, check out honda-tech heaps of info on brakes...
I race the car,, so i am not familar with being able to get quality race pads to suit the willwood caliper,, at the moment i use yellow stuff which i am liking ,,, if i could get those pads or endless,, i would look at the willwoods

[b20b]

I tried honda tech but all the wheels listed were 17 18 one or 2 16 but with crazy offsets

[EGB18CT]

geez search more there are heaps of wheels that fit, spoons are overrated and there are quite a few pads that will fit the wilwoods, i believe they are similar size to stock dcr2 pads... there are pads out there that fit no problems, pm one of the pov guys, one of them is rocking wilwoods... other option is baer but there slighly larger rotors...

if its for a track car youd be better off with 16" wheels then 15s cos of the higher walls of tyres means more flex, drag guys mainly use 15's, look at what the spor car motion guys in the states run, hardly 15's.. 16 to 17" rims

[kongfu]

avoid spoon calipers if you can...they are not that good compare to OEM DC5R brembo.

[Q_ball]

avoid spoon calipers if you can...they are not that good compare to OEM DC5R brembo.

Care to back that opinion up?
Just because dc5r brembos are supposedly better doesnt mean that spoon calipers should be avoided.

Justify yourself, or receive neg rep :)

[Benson]

i agree dc5r brembo are good, but look at the size of it.. fitment wouldnt be easy tho.. so there isnt much comparity

On the other hand, Spoon is a slight upgrade from the dc2r calipers... i only found a slight improvement on braking, but not enoguh to justfiy the price. Maybe its jsut the wank factor

[EGB18CT]

^exactly, for bang for buck brake kit look at fastbrakes.com... plenty there, from stock itr setups to big brake kits, hell one of the guys had fit 11" rotors with 6pot wilwoods in 15 in rims (team dynamics tho)... but personally id do for some larger rotors and 4 pots and 16"min rims, you want to keep the rotor temp down so the bigger sometimes the better. Dont just look at what calipers are good, there are race teams running 4 pots on 13" rotors like the bayer kits but u'll need 17" rims. Like i said before, if your tracking (circuit) your car then bigger wheels will help cornering and you can fit bigger brakes, 15" rims are more for the drag lot as they can run higher side walls that flex for launching grip.... for 15" rims that have populated our market, type r brakes are basically the max you can fit, to fit 4 pots youll need a special offsets and spoke designs and you will be limited to a 11 in type r rotor at max. Ideal would be 12.2" to 13" max with some decent 4 pots... Just dont get carried away with the blue spoons.. more or less wank factor, there are exually as good for cheaper and from quality manufacturers that specialize in brakes.

[b20b]

^exactly, for bang for buck brake kit look at fastbrakes.com... plenty there, from stock itr setups to big brake kits, hell one of the guys had fit 11" rotors with 6pot wilwoods in 15 in rims (team dynamics tho)... but personally id do for some larger rotors and 4 pots and 16"min rims, you want to keep the rotor temp down so the bigger sometimes the better. Dont just look at what calipers are good, there are race teams running 4 pots on 13" rotors like the bayer kits but u'll need 17" rims. Like i said before, if your tracking (circuit) your car then bigger wheels will help cornering and you can fit bigger brakes, 15" rims are more for the drag lot as they can run higher side walls that flex for launching grip.... for 15" rims that have populated our market, type r brakes are basically the max you can fit, to fit 4 pots youll need a special offsets and spoke designs and you will be limited to a 11 in type r rotor at max. Ideal would be 12.2" to 13" max with some decent 4 pots... Just dont get carried away with the blue spoons.. more or less wank factor, there are exually as good for cheaper and from quality manufacturers that specialize in brakes.

I am loking at getting new wheels,,,the brakes will decide the wheel but no bigger than 16 cant afford the price of semi slicks for 17 ,,so expensive ..because i go through a lot of pads and rotors i need something i can get a top quality race pad easily ..the problem is i need to buy the wheels first cause if i get the brakes first car cant go any where cause wheels wont fit. i am thinking of these http://www.tempetyres.com.au/products_closeup.asp?part=&part_no=155 wheel design looks like it will take big brakes,,

has anyone got a good brake kit and wheel package they recommend

[kongfu]

Care to back that opinion up?
Just because dc5r brembos are supposedly better doesnt mean that spoon calipers should be avoided.

Justify yourself, or receive neg rep :)

I've tested personally...SPOON calipers are just can't do the job well:(

BREMBO is the way to go, thats why most of JDM cars fitted Brembo from factory not SPOON:D

[barefootbonzai]

BREMBO is the way to go, thats why most of JDM cars fitted Brembo from factory not SPOON:D

Because spoon doesn't make items for factory cars, not to mention that spoon is only a honda specific brand.

[kongfu]

Because spoon doesn't make items for factory cars, not to mention that spoon is only a honda specific brand.


Im talking about Brembo is better than SPOON. SPoon is made by Nissin.:thumbsup:

[.::F[L]Y::.]

ahh here we go...

Hondas arnt quick enough to need aftermarket brake kit upgrade ;):p

[barefootbonzai]

Im talking about Brembo is better than SPOON. SPoon is made by Nissin.:thumbsup:

i'm not arguing which is better. just your logic made no sense. Now you're saying Spoon is made by Nissin, then it would probably be used on more jdm cars from factory compared to brembo's :p

[Q_ball]

i'm not arguing which is better. just your logic made no sense. Now you're saying Spoon is made by Nissin, then it would probably be used on more jdm cars from factory compared to brembo's :p

Exactly my point.
kongfu, just because one type of brakes is better than the other, doesnt mean that they should be avoided altogether.
Its very misleading.

[Benson]

avoid spoon calipers if you can...they are not that good compare to OEM DC5R brembo.


Have you tested both setup's?

Spoon calipers are good. But not worth the amount of $$$.

[kongfu]

Have you tested both setup's?

Spoon calipers are good. But not worth the amount of $$$.

Yes, I have. If you guys wanna argue about it I will leave it as it is.

[b20b]

fastbrake replied to me that wilwood have a very limited brake pad range apart from there own brand. hawk is starting to make a pad. So wilwood is not the best choice for tract car prob ok for street as pads are not as critical

muilty piston big calipers require master cylinder upgrades,spoon is designed to work with factory set up,,this is a reason i am leaning towards the spoon,,

[b20b]

brembo needs 17 inch wheels ,,semi slicks to dear

[bennjamin]

i thought brake calipers are....hardly relevant to actual braking power , as opposed to brake pads and discs used. Meh thats just me.

[kongfu]

brembo needs 17 inch wheels ,,semi slicks to dear

16inch can clear brembo..friend got DC5R brembo fitted into his Honda Jazz with 16inch +38 offset:thumbsup:

[b20b]

16inch can clear brembo..friend got DC5R brembo fitted into his Honda Jazz with 16inch +38 offset:thumbsup:

who did the job for him . they might be good to talk to about what is possible on the 4 stud 4 x 100....there is to many people grinding bits and pieces to make brakes fit,,they are very important its a must to get it right...thats why it is so hard to find a wheel and brake package that is good,,,

[b20b]

is it a 3 mm spacer to get the 16 inch slipstreams to fit or is it 5 mm ,,,checked the gallery and there are heaps of slips with spoon caliper

[kongfu]

My mate got 16inch CE28N to fit DC5 brembo ..yes its 4x100 stud pattern.