DC2R: Right offset/width - sticks out?

[Icegroove]

Hi,

As the title states...my front wheels slightly stick out of their guards...

Buddyclub P1 SF Challenge - 16 x 7 with +42 offset.
Tyres are 205/50.

Sussy is stock - no spacers..

Wheel alignment was done and camber is ok at front...

:confused:

Any ideas?

[L a z y b O Y]

they shouldnt stick out, i was running the same setup a while back and mine didnt stick out instead it was inside the guards.
lower offsets will make the wheels/tyres stick out of the guards more. maybe its your camber kit

[Icegroove]

^
thing is i dont have a camber kit on the front... :confused:

[geeang]

Any pics of the offending items?

[itr_112]

Im running 17x7.5 +30 with 2.5 degrees camber and they line up with the guards...
Maybe your tyres are too fat? Shouldnt you be using 45's?

[Icegroove]

pic:

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1623/pict0498hl7.jpg

[geeang]

Dear god, looks like your tyres are a bit thick, might be the reason why they're sticking out so much. The wheels themselves look like they would be fine in the guards though.

[googed]

hmm im running 16x7 +40 wrapped in 205/45/16's. i camber only due to the car being lowered.

i reckon you should get a different profile tyre, as somone mentioned it may be the reason why its tucking out abit.

looking from that pic, seems the front is sticking out pretty hard!

[EKVTIR-T]

lol the tyres are killing it.
Offroad style :)

[Icegroove]

so the tyres are the problem? hmm..

205/45 would be sufficient?

[EKVTIR-T]

Are you 100% sure they are 205/50 and not 215?

[Icegroove]

^
Yes. Its written on my receipt and on the sidewall of the tyre...

[googed]

yeh id say go 45's on the stock suspension..
its the same profile tyres they use for the 98+ jdm integras that came with the factory 16's.

[Icegroove]

hmmm..would the 5 make this much difference?

just that i dont wanna fork out for profile 45 tyres and have it be some other problem...

[googed]

well check out some other pics running similar size/width and offsets and you'd see it does make quite a difference.

example: t-one's dc2:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24218&page=109

i believe they are running 205/45/16's if i aint mistaken. a good jump from the 50's your currently running.

you could even go 40's if your abit more worried

[L a z y b O Y]

205/45/16 is sufficient i rkn

[teaseR]

that doesnt look like a 45 offset.
im running a 38 offset but 205/45/16 tyres with 7" wide
thats a 7mm different from the hub.
yes i know the tyres contribute as well but i would double check the offset

[Icegroove]

Apologies..was +42 offset....

I just dbl checked!

[L a z y b O Y]

im running 35 off set and it doesnt stick out that much 16x7

[andiiso]

i just got my new tyres n rims, 15x7 +40 on my ek4 wid 205/50R15 and mine sticks out bout 1cm or so mayb less.

[90xsi]

im running 25 offset and 7 inch wide
it sticks out just a touch

[VTECMACHINE]

LOL the profile is too fat.

Get 205/45/R16.
Slam that bitch... it's 4WD spec.

[Jamezy]

hmmm..would the 5 make this much difference?

just that i dont wanna fork out for profile 45 tyres and have it be some other problem...

its about 1cm diff in profile

the design of the tyre is also important.. theres no garuantee a 205/45 will fit in that certain tyre

i have run 16x7 205/45 40+ and they were normal..
depends on your tyre's design of sidewall
if you lower your car, the wheels will camber in and you might get the top of the rim to tuck underneath the fender

[Icegroove]

Thanks for the replies guys...

The thing that gets me is that the profile will affect diameter of the tyre/wheel? - not the width and how much it may or may not stick out?

If it helps the tyres are Bridgestone Adrenalins.

Thing is - I've had other 16x7 inch rims on my car with same profile - and same problem that it sticks out slightly. Tyres were Falken Azenis RT-215.

:confused:

[IEVAQ8]

im running 16 x 7 with +40mm offsett, with 205/45 tyres.....no camber kits and dumped on tein s/s no probs with fitting or sitting out of guard.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll147/ievaq8/DSCN0636.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll147/ievaq8/DSCN0634.jpg

[Q_ball]

Yeh i think its the profile Andrew...
As others have said, 205/45 should be a good size

Im running +35 for the time being and it aint sticking out that far...

I say slam it and camber the fck outta it haha, hotness ;)

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/8688/cambersigpu2.jpg

[Icegroove]

Thanks guys...i think this weekend I might visit the tyre guys and see what i can do. See if they can trial fit 205/45's on the front and see if it sits ok.

Damn. Bought my tyres with wrong profile, now have to buy the correct ones (if thats the issue!) - wasted my money! :( Lesson to all i guess....always do your research...

will post when i find out..

Q: lol @ camber pic!

[VTECMACHINE]

It's alright... sure you can sell the tyres on Ebay, with out toooo much of a loss.

[mugsee]

Will you be able to tuck tyre with a bit of camber?

[black_dc_5]

Hmmm strange,
a friend of mine used to have stock dc5 rims in his dc2.

tyre profile 205/55/16 offset +45
they sat ok inside the guard, I'm sure even with 3mm spacer, which would make it close to +42 it wouldn't stick out that much

[VTECMACHINE]

Doesn't matter if it fits or not.

50 profile is wrong on the DC2R. The speedo will be out. There are a few tyre calculators out there:

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

[[CRA23]]

205/45 or 215/45 in 16" are the closest you can get to stock size. you also gotta remember the law about changing profiles, +15mm, -25mm from the tyres fitted as std

i run 215/45R16 on my 16x7 +38 and no probs at all

heres a pic

http://www.users.on.net/~touge/TOU93/PICT9839.jpg

[Icegroove]

bit of an update..

took the car down to the tyre/wheel guys...he said changing from 50 profile to 45 will not change the way it sticks out.

he also checked his fat book of rim fitting-guide and checked for a 2000 ITR, offset for 16 should be +45.....my rims being +42 may explain the slight stick out.

so then how is it then some of you guys that have posted have more negative offset and not have a problem??? :confused:

[IEVAQ8]

mmmmmmmm.............thats wierd.........yeh for 16's +45 would be the limit i think on 7inch wide......

but like i mentioned, i got 16*7 with +40mm offset and fits perfect.......i have already posted pic for proof..........is there by anychance a slip on 5-8mm spacer on the hub??????or have the hubs been changed???????

only suggesting

[milkman]

The lower the offset, the further it sits in.

Your +42 should stick out less than a +45.

Isn't the stock offset +42 anyway?

I have +45. But I'm running 15x7 - 205/50/15. I would've gone 205/45/16 if I had 16 inch rims to retain similar rolling diameter.

I am also running Falken RT615's.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3106/2598138546_6583bab360_o.jpg

[DLO01]

I have had 16x7 +40 wheels, 205/45 tyres the same as IEVAQ8, no problems. A lot of people use this size wheel and tyre, its not an uncommon thing at all. Thats the maximum offset I would go with 16x7 +40. Currently I have 16x7 +50 and of course that fits 10mm further in.

If what you say is correct about your wheel specs, then there is only one other thing, your big tyres. Being a 205/50 they are higher and will buldge out a little more. That I think is where your problem is.

[chargeR]

The lower the offset, the further it sits in.

Your +42 should stick out less than a +45.

Isn't the stock offset +42 anyway?

I have +45. But I'm running 15x7 - 205/50/15. I would've gone 205/45/16 if I had 16 inch rims to retain similar rolling diameter.

I am also running Falken RT615's.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3106/2598138546_6583bab360_o.jpg

Sorry but you have it the wrong way round, lower offset will make the wheel stick further out and a higher, more positive offset will make the wheel sit further in toward the centre of the car :).

The centre line of Icegroove's wheels are 3mm further outboard. It should not be enough to cause problems, and I have no idea why it is :confused:.

[lil_foy]

The lower the offset, the further it sits in.

Your +42 should stick out less than a +45.

[/IMG]

Incorrect,

How offset works is that if the rim is +42 where the wheel bolts to the hub is 42mm outwards from the centre of the the rim. So then the lower the offset the further the lip of the wheel sits from the hub.

There would be very little visual difference with the +42 and +45 since it is 3mm difference.

[Icegroove]

^

Thats what I thought ( less offset means it'll sit further out)

which mean is IVAEQ8 and DL001 are running +40....and mine is +42..mine should technically sit in closer inward.

its driving me nuts!

as for spacer - i'm 99% sure there is none. But will double check this weekend.

Only thing i can think of is that the hub is wrong? anyone know how to verify this...:confused:

[IEVAQ8]

ur in melb yeh?????????
where bouts??????????
im happy to swing past and check it our for ya.......and even slap a wheel on my car to see what it does.........

[DLO01]

which mean is IVAEQ8 and DL001 are running +40....and mine is +42..mine should technically sit in closer inward.


Yours only sits in 2mm more. Not much at all. But yeh have a check of everything. Can you see +42 printed on the wheel?

Comparing 45 series to 50 series, your gaining another 10mm to the height of the wall, thats 20mm to the overall diameter. Tyre is taller, wall will buldge out more. I still think its your tyres that the problem.

[Bludger]

sigh.

[votek]

how about a 15x7.5 +30 wheel on a dc2r. will it stick out and what kind of tyre profile should i use?

[Bludger]

how about a 15x7.5 +30 wheel on a dc2r. will it stick out and what kind of tyre profile should i use?similar to what i'm going to use

mines 15x7.5 +25

i reckon we will need to stretc h the tire a bit and mayb e camber arms

well, mines gonna look gangster, when and if i ever get it onn

[votek]

what kind of tyre are you going to use? lol

205 xx 15 ?

[Bludger]

195/50

[votek]

how much will it stick out do you reckon?

im going to put a 195 55 on

[DLO01]

how about a 15x7.5 +30 wheel on a dc2r. will it stick out and what kind of tyre profile should i use?

Well like I said, with a 7 inch rim the max I would go is +40. Your going +30 which is 10mm further out, plus your going 0.5 and inch wider = 12.7mm, which is half of that either side of the wheel 6.35mm. 10mm + 6.35mm = 16.35mm

So for your 7.5inch +30 rim compared to the 7inch +40 rim. Your rim will stick out 16.35mm more.

So yeh, you'll either have to get a narrower tyre or run some aggressive camber and get inner tyre wear.

Its the rear thats the problem on the DC2R. The front has a little more room, especially if you remover the inner gaurds in the front.

[Bludger]

how much will it stick out do you reckon?

im going to put a 195 55 onwell, with my wheels and with 225/50

it was sticking out 1.5 cm past the guard

my car is lowered, so when i lowered the jack, the guard was sitting on the tire.

tire sticking out 1.5cm

[votek]

what kind of tyres do you think i should use dean.

[DLO01]

Well for a 15 inch rim, the stock tyre is 195/55. But I don't think tyre places will recomend this size stretched out on a 7.5 inch rim, maybe they will do it for you who knows. If not 195, your looking at a 205 and your gonna have problems. Either way I think your gonna have problems with those offsets. Don't know why you guys do this sorta thing. :p

[TALEB TYRES]

for the op,

yes the tyre size is bad, a lower profile tyre will not look that bad and will stretch not bulge, the 42 to 45 offset will not make that much of a difference when you are talking about tyres bulging out of the guards like your pic shows.

another simple thing i dont think anyone mentioned..did you have aftermarket wheels on prior to fitting these wheels?
becuase aftermarket wheels use hubrings, and if you dont take these off when changing your wheels(im assuming these wheels have a different centre bore to your old ones), then your wheel doesnt sit on the hub but on that actual old hubring. making it extremely dangerous to drive and pushing it out about 1 cm.
i know you may think it sounds stupid, but i have seen it too many times, people buy rims from somewhere, come to the shop and what do ya know, they are fitted wrong...

[Icegroove]

Thanks for the info TT!

this weekend i'm going down to a shop for some camber adjustment..so will check to see if a hub ring exists. I have had aftermarket rims on but to my knowledge didn't have a ring as you have described.

and from your first paragraph i'll assume you are leaning towards tyres being the problem...?


for additional info also, i've had 16 x 7 Rota 'MF-10' previously, shod in Falken Azenis RT215 - 205/50. I'm pretty sure offset was +42. Same problem as now. Difference this time is that a DC2R owner bought them off me and also had them sticking out.

Heres a piccie!

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1941/pict0341zn4.jpg


the mystery continues....

:p

[DLO01]

^^^ From that photo, theres no way they are 7 inch +42 rims. The wheels are sticking out too much for that size and offset.

[votek]

icegroove. i love your car. may i ask where did u get the cf rear pods from

[IEVAQ8]

as DLO01 replied............there is no that the wheels on the front of your car are +42 offset .............

[VTECMACHINE]

as DLO01 replied............there is no that the wheels on the front of your car are +42 offset .............

Look like a +20 or something to me!

I don't what ya doing buddy. Just go to tyre shop asap, or don't you have any mates that can look at it for you.

Take off the wheel over the weekend, and check to see if you are running some sort of spacer or hub ring.

The way they are sitting... it's not possible for them to be around the +40ish mark.

[TALEB TYRES]

yea somethings odd.

The offest will be engraved on the back of the wheels, or on a sticker covered by brake dust. not hard to find.

And yes a lower profile tyre will help, a semi slick tyre will be bigger then a street tyre in the same size, if it turns out the wheel are ok, get a lower tyre to stretch under the guard.
Some camber would help too but try finding out what the problem is first.
are you sure the wheels arent staggered widths? maybe even same width but different offsets?
trust me its all possible.

btw, does the car drive fine/straight/no vibrations?

[Icegroove]

TT: yeah....at the tyre joint this weekend i'll see if they can get a 45 profile on and then we'll see.

I would like to think that Buddyclub has some good QA to insure all wheels are as labelled. All boxes are labelled with +42 offset...as is the width of 7 inch (all four wheels, no staggering) But as you say anything is possible.

does it drive fine/straight? most roads are ok. however i find i have to pay more attention on some roads as any bumps/uneveness will cause a bit of bump steer. compared to stock rims....i can tell the difference. I've had wheel alignment done. I'm kinda guessing its to do with 1) camber (rear needs adjustment) and 2) possibly the whole sticking out problem.


will post more info after Sat! :)

thanks to all for replies/info....

[DLO01]

however i find i have to pay more attention on some roads as any bumps/uneveness will cause a bit of bump steer. compared to stock rims....i can tell the difference.

....... Due to the wide offset.

But yeh, needs more investigation. :thumbsup:

[VTECMACHINE]

I'm kinda guessing its to do with 1) camber (rear needs adjustment) and 2) possibly the whole sticking out problem.



Do you have adjustable A-arms to alter the camber.

You are aware that you cannot adjust the camber or castor with Stock suspension or even aftermarket coilovers - Unless you have adjustable A-Arms and Front camber adjusters. You can only adjust Toe.

It could be that buddyclub have given you 2 different offset wheels. It's a big possibility.

[Bludger]

I reckon something about his front hubs are not right, cos his old wheels stick out too

[Alexx]

take a wheel off, and post up a photo of the front hub. There has to be something fishy going on.

As above, that is definitely not sitting where a +42 wheel should sit

[Icegroove]

Do you have adjustable A-arms to alter the camber.

You are aware that you cannot adjust the camber or castor with Stock suspension or even aftermarket coilovers - Unless you have adjustable A-Arms and Front camber adjusters. You can only adjust Toe.

It could be that buddyclub have given you 2 different offset wheels. It's a big possibility.


thanks. I am aware of that. I have a camber kit to adjust it.

bludger: i'm leaning towards this too...

wish saturday came faster!

[DLO01]

Ahh, well good luck man. Keep us updated. Velly interlesting. :p

[neut]

hey Icegroove and everyone! im the owner of icegrooves old rims (mf10 replicas) to be honest they do stick out abit although i can still lower my car and not have the wheel scrap against the guard. Judging from your picture of your car and old rims from page 5 my front doesnt stick out that much as yours( i still have them tyres on when i bought ur rims) anyways heres a pictures
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http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2789/p7040520po2.th.jpg (http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p7040520po2.jpg)
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4271/p7040521al2.th.jpg (http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p7040521al2.jpg)
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1902/p7040522jm1.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p7040522jm1.jpg)

My car sits pretty high due to previous owner having the car dumped so low on cut springs, having no money i borrowed my friends springs n chucked em on, not fussed about height, its sucha worry free daily drive without having to avoid crap on shitty melbourne roads :), but will get coilovers when the time comes! my next tyres are probably 195/45/r16 or 205/45/r16's! then coilovers.

[votek]

is the tyres sticking out the same on both sides?

[neut]

Mine or Icegrooves?

[BulletBoy]

what was the mysterious problem ?
o the suspense lol !!

[Icegroove]

^
hey..still have got the same problem...when i went to the tyre guys to get rear camber sorted and alignment..they were adament that it stuck out because the offset is wrong. and that the 3mm difference seems to match with how it is sticking out. (my rims are +42).

I think i might just -ve camber the front a bit so it 'tucks' under the guards as a short term solution until i figure it out.

[VTECMACHINE]

IMHO, I think buddyclub gave you the wrong offset rims. Why not raise it with them, and get them to trail fit another set. If they are wrong, make them give you the correct set you ordered and purchased.

[BulletBoy]

have you tried putting the wheels on another dc2r?
that would tell you whether the problem is the wheels+tyres or perhaps a spacer. altho yu have said that your sure theres no spacer

its not possible for BC to make an error with the offset right ? some massive manufacturing missprint lol

[Alexx]

What offset is stamped on the inside of the rim?

[IEVAQ8]

if u still havnt fixed this issue..................and u wanna trial fit on another dc2r................buz me and umm..............ur more than welcome to swing past and try them on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,coz my car not driving atm