B20 Conversion.

[jayeg]

Wanting to know rough price of b20 conversion into eg?
i wont need breaks b'coz im buying a vti with disks all round.
also wondering what would be better b20 or b16a??
and what is the rev limit on a b20?
can you tell me you experiences with both the b16a and b20, so i can decide which is better!
don't want it to be built, as it will be my daily driver, just want something to keep up with the turbo's but wanting something reliable as well.

[Zdster]

Do you mean the b18 rather than the b20? There is a big difference between the b16 and the b20.

[est1989]

b16a head and b20 bottom ;)
is the way to go.

[Benson]

We all know money talks... how much do you have to spend

[jayeg]

i mean b16 or b20 not b18c to much lookin to spend about 4,000
been qouted 4,000 for b16a or b20 same price witch one faster both stock want to keep stock as its going to be used to drive to work dont want to do b16 head and b20 bottom i been told if bottom end left stock because b16 revs high can cause problems for the b20 bottom

[Zdster]

If you have been quoted $4k for a b20 they must have rocks in their heads!

[barefootbonzai]

problem is that you can't just find a B20 half cut that will work with your car. in order to do a b20 swap you'll need source bits and pieces from here and there. If you know what you're doing that's fine. But looks like you're gonna go through a workshop, and it will probably cost you a fair amount for them to do the piece gathering.

[z3lda]

complete b20b/z conversion kit (engine/box/loom/ecu)
new intake manifold
new exahust system
B-series mounts

the above parts should cost you around $4000ish
labour will probly cost u around $1000ish drive in drive out
extra $500ish for servicing of engine. timing belt, seals, fluids etc etc.

[Benson]

For 4k stick with a B16a.. you might be able to afford a b18c...

Send me a pm i might be able to help you out with the engine package

[jayeg]

i got told 4,000 from charlie at gpc thats parts labour drive in swap drive out why should it be cheaper or more but still wanting to know which is faster i,m saving up for k20 post is for g/f she love b series she getting $8,000 to buy eg and swap should will that cover it

[z3lda]

stock b20 > stock b16 in all aspects

[Benson]

4k for a B20 vtec or non vtec?

[z3lda]

for 4k from GPC , im sure it'd be a block straight out of a CRV. No vtec what so ever.

[Zdster]

I would be asking more questions before spending $4k. Ie are they replacing the clutch/flywheel? Are they replacing fluids? Are they replacing the timing belt? For $4k I wouldnt expect a yes to any of those questions :zip:

[jayeg]

as i said drive in then out with vtec b20 clutch flywheel all fluids needed everything done

[NightKids]

That's a ridiculous price!

[jords]

gpc hehehehehe

[fatboyz39]

as i said drive in then out with vtec b20 clutch flywheel all fluids needed everything done


Well if it is then good price. BUT ill highly doubt it. When doing a b20 might as well change oil pump, water pump, piston rings, new bearings, hone, APR rod bolts and etc.

If your doing a "slapper" then 4k sounds about right.

[todaek9]

you won't have enough to do a reliable B20 for 4k...
stick with B16a..

[jords]

Im sure there are many OH members that have done the B20 bottom end variations, what did it cost you? and what are the power gains? ..... be honest.

[TECDUP]

sorry to hijack but still kinda on topic...

is it recomended to re-sleeve the b20 to be reliable? was also looking to do this in my DC2 with b16b head and my mechanic has said that it should be re-sleeved ($3000) just to be sleeved as the closest place that will do that is in Syd (im in Melb)

does anyone know???

[lenz]

4k is a good price if that comes with the engine but stick with the b16a only use b20 if your going for a build.. i might be building a b20 soon with a b18 head but doing a stroker kit to a 2.1l and compresion ratio 11:5 resleeving to a 1.8 cost in parts and labour 8k and that just the bottom end only the head has been done with skunk2 and s3 bc cams all them bs which cost 14kish

btw this aint my car its one of my customers car

[fatboyz39]

Im sure there are many OH members that have done the B20 bottom end variations, what did it cost you? and what are the power gains? ..... be honest.

really depends what on you want i guess.

[turtleEK1]

sorry to hijack but still kinda on topic...

is it recomended to re-sleeve the b20 to be reliable? was also looking to do this in my DC2 with b16b head and my mechanic has said that it should be re-sleeved ($3000) just to be sleeved as the closest place that will do that is in Syd (im in Melb)

does anyone know???

As far as I've seen on the net, if its well tuned you shouldn't need to! Seen stock B20 blocks boosted at 20psi and last. Only if they are tuned properly. No detonation etc...

Thats alot of money to spend just on sleeves...

[fatboyz39]

A late model B20 bottom end will cost about 700-900 depending where you shop. Vtec conversion kits 200-350.

Labour at workshop installing motor and building the motor i'd say 1.5kish-2k. (1k remove and replace, 500-1 to take off head and slap on b20 bottom end)

So judging from OT, 4k sounds about right to me at a workshop.

[jayeg]

thanks for your help! :-)

[i_s2_honda]

about these engine????

i've heard they are very unreliable....

how reliable would they be to handle boost???? and can they handle boost???

[Benson]

there unreliable if your tuner doesnt tune em right.. B20's are acutally not that bad, we turn a stock B20 too 8800rpm.. no problems at all

[TECDUP]

there unreliable if your tuner doesnt tune em right.. B20's are acutally not that bad, we turn a stock B20 too 8800rpm.. no problems at all

What do you mean by tune? are you talking about tuneing the ECU or are you referring to the build of the block/head?

[z3lda]

tuning the air fuel raito

[TECDUP]

Oh k cool...

How would someone know if their Tuner has set it incorrectly?

[fatboyz39]

when your engine blows or pings

[90LAN]

when your engine blows or pings

lol thats one way
at the end of the day to get the b20 to the standard of a complete running b16a u will need more than 4 k imo
u still need mounts, loom, driveshafts, shifter, ecu ,brake up grade, etc
but sounds like a good deal if its a drive in drive out

[fatboyz39]

lol thats one way

or 2 holes in the block :zip:

[Klayemore]

Had my B20 built by fatboyz39 and has lasted for about 10 months now. Still runnin shweet :D

[nigs]

Some guys in the States just run stock B20's.

Cheap torque they reckon. For 500 odd bucks + labour.

Used for hill climbs and what not.

[EKVTIR-T]

But my neighbours friends cousin said they have weak sleeves?
And are the cranks ok to rev past 8k?

[fatboyz39]

cranks will turn past 8k easy.

[trism]

they make block guards for the b20s weak sleeves

[TECDUP]

they make block guards for the b20s weak sleeves

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0104scc_engine_work/index.html

an interesting read..Scroll half way down to "The block," 3rd paragraph starting "Hondas are another story"

[Edgeauto]

We have run a 75hp NOS kit on our stock B20vtec for about a year now with no problems at all.

[EKVTIR-T]

What is your rev limit? 7k?

[Edgeauto]

What is your rev limit? 7k?

We have ours set at 8200 but dont normally take it much past 7800 as power starts to drop off after that

[TECDUP]

is it not suggested to rev to 9k?

[jdmlvn]

so it is really possible to get a B20 Vtec for 4k?
i wanted to get a drop in just B20 non-vtec and calculating all the parts and doing alot of the work myself was close to 4k already?
or am i sourcing parts from the wrong places?

[barefootbonzai]

so it is really possible to get a B20 Vtec for 4k?
i wanted to get a drop in just B20 non-vtec and calculating all the parts and doing alot of the work myself was close to 4k already?
or am i sourcing parts from the wrong places?

Yeah no idea how a workshop could quote a price like that. They might have spare stock or something cause it's super cheap.

B16A2 half cut - $3kish
B20 long block - $1kish
LS Vtec kit - $250ish

Then add labour.

Then if you've gone through the trouble might aswell get Clutch and Flywheel so add another $800ish.

[jdmlvn]

Yeah no idea how a workshop could quote a price like that. They might have spare stock or something cause it's super cheap.

B16A2 half cut - $3kish
B20 long block - $1kish
LS Vtec kit - $250ish

Then add labour.

Then if you've gone through the trouble might aswell get Clutch and Flywheel so add another $800ish.

Yeah i guess that sounds about right.. Depends what base car you use. I've got a EG4, so it's a D-series which means i'll need to do drive shafts, mounts, ecu, wiring loom, gearbox.

*sigh* if only i had a better base. lol.

actually i just realised you mentioned B16A2 half cut. that would work for me then! lol.

[Edgeauto]

Yeah no idea how a workshop could quote a price like that. They might have spare stock or something cause it's super cheap.

B16A2 half cut - $3kish
B20 long block - $1kish
LS Vtec kit - $250ish

Then add labour.

Then if you've gone through the trouble might aswell get Clutch and Flywheel so add another $800ish.

also need to add rod bolts, waterpump, timing belt, exhaust and tune.

[delsol9000rpms]

b20vtec would be great.... dont listen to these people who say they are very unreliable blah blah.. if you read carefully then the people who actually have b20vtec's will tell you theirs are still runing fine... you said your gonna keep it stock so i dnt see why it wont be any more unreliable then honda said it will brand new from factory.... as long as you dntt rev it out to much ie: 8500

7500rpm will be plenty for a stock b16a head it wnt make any power past that so no point revving it... good luck mate i think if you can get a b20vtec for 4k then go for it... plenty of power for your gf.

thanks

[jayeg]

people who think im full of it ring the shop urself i dont need a whole half cut cause he can gets just parts needed not sure everything he will be doing he said b20 4.k , b20 vtec 4.5k drive in drive out thats what quoted give charlie aring and asked

[barefootbonzai]

no one is doubting you. Just letting you know it's a bargin and you should definitely go for it at that price.

[fatboyz39]

"you get what you pay for" *corrected*

[barefootbonzai]

dam noob jimmy, it's "you get what you pay for"

or "pay peanut get monkey" hahahahha

[tinkerbell]

so it is really possible to get a B20 Vtec for 4k?
i wanted to get a drop in just B20 non-vtec and calculating all the parts and doing alot of the work myself was close to 4k already?
or am i sourcing parts from the wrong places?

i did mine for $2394 so that plus 1.5k labour and 4k is right...

block was only $800 though... head was $800 too...

[jdmlvn]

i did mine for $2394 so that plus 1.5k labour and 4k is right...

block was only $800 though... head was $800 too...

OoOoO! i want one!!! perfect timing that i found this thread! :D

[tinkerbell]

OoOoO! i want one!!! perfect timing that i found this thread! :D

mine is a few years old, not sure if the costs are all the same as now...

it might even be cheaper for some of the bits!!! :thumbsup:

[jdmlvn]

mine is a few years old, not sure if the costs are all the same as now...

it might even be cheaper for some of the bits!!! :thumbsup:

that's sweet as. i take it, that the hardest part is doing the VTEC head conversion? might have to send you a pm for some more details.

[barefootbonzai]

i did mine for $2394 so that plus 1.5k labour and 4k is right...

block was only $800 though... head was $800 too...

I'm asuming your car was already a B-series? Cause if it wasn't you need much more than just the motor...

[tinkerbell]

I'm asuming your car was already a B-series? Cause if it wasn't you need much more than just the motor...

yeah, sorry, it was a B series... this saves a fair bit...

[Mikes_DC5R]

4k for a B20 vtec or non vtec?

The whole reson of a b16a top and b20 bottom, is the engine capacity "litres" is bigger, but b20 top has no vtec, but the b16 does...

anymore qeustion ask Z3lda.. he/she can help... as they've done this conversion.

:wave:

[ZeForce]

7500rpm will be plenty for a stock b16a head it wnt make any power past that so no point revving it...

Mine made sold power to 8k rpm with stock head and cams and I reckon it would have carried to 8.5k no problem if we had raised the rev limiter

[jdmlvn]

The whole reson of a b16a top and b20 bottom, is the engine capacity "litres" is bigger, but b20 top has no vtec, but the b16 does...

anymore qeustion ask Z3lda.. he/she can help... as they've done this conversion.

:wave:

sweet. i'll ask Z3lda for more info.

[fatboyz39]

looking at extra 2k in other accessories i.e gearbox, mounts, brackets, shift linkage, shafts, wiring loom, dizzy, alternator, starter and the list goes on and on. Plus b20/vtec will be best worked with a tunable ECU. Don't think a standard ECU will handle it.

[jdmlvn]

i still think 4-4.5k is a really good bargin?
doesnt anybody else think so?

maybe we should do a group buy!

[Edgeauto]

i still think 4-4.5k is a really good bargin?
doesnt anybody else think so?

maybe we should do a group buy!

Dirt cheap for a car thats not already B series.

[fatboyz39]

Dirt cheap for a car thats not already B series.

Yeap very very cheap.

[jdmlvn]

So anyone know where's GPC is located?
or contact details?

[blabla]

So anyone know where's GPC is located?
or contact details?


www.yellowpages.com.au

[tinkerbell]

www.yellowpages.com.au

you should try www.patheticattemptthatfails.com.au