New Honda NSX Prototype Comes Out To Play

[ShAwNeX]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080617.009/new-honda-nsx-prototype-comes-out-to-play

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080617.009/photo1/new-honda-nsx-prototype-comes-out-to-play

Honda were hardly likely to leave Nissan and Toyota to steal all the thunder in the supercar market as they look to provide some serious competition with its new NSX. Previously we had only seen prototypes of the new model sporting the body of the S2000, but now for the first time the model has come out showing its new body styling albeit with the annoying black and white camoflage.

Unlike the previous mid-engined NSX this prototype is running a front-mid engine, with its powerplant placed well behind the front wheels to ensure excellent weight distribution. This should also allow the new NSX to offer 2+2 cabin accommodation, broadening its appeal against the Nissan GT-R and Lexus LF-A - particularly in the USA.

What that engine is remains very much a mystery. There’s talk of a high-revving naturally aspirated V10, which would fit in very comfortably with Honda’s Type R philosophy. Honda’s not as obsessed as many by big horsepower outputs, but even so an output of 450 hp seems likely. Should such an engine be fitted to the sort of lightweight body as the previous NSX, the performance would be exceptional. Four-wheel-drive, with rearward bias, is also rumoured, the handling expected to be controlled by a version of Honda’s electronic Super Handling All-Wheel Drive.

The Honda NSX is not expected until 2009 and on top of its Japanese rivals it must also compete with the likes of the Porsche 911 Turbo, Ferrari F430 and the Lamborghini Gallardo.

[fasthonda]

Finally,something from Honda to get excited about rather than always reading about some freaking new or updated SUV they brought out!:)

[DreadAngel]

I can't see shit under all that camo or is that part of the plan lol :p

[Irish R]

Can`t wait to see more uncloaked pics,i like the proposed figures:cool:

[z3lda]

looks and sounds more like an updated s2k.

no resemblance to an NSX at all.

[ShAwNeX]

I really prefer the original HSC concept.

[tseesinngwailo]

Hooray, finally something new, will be great to see it in the flesh, tho i spose it will never get to Australia

[EK9]

Exciting... yet a lil disappointing.

I reckon it's best if they moved away from the NSX name and let the legend go with the original model. This one is so different... front engine, rwd/4wd and it looks like it'll be as fat as a supra/gtr... yuk. Anyways it's just the beginning i guess... hopefully it'll live up to expectations and be another sick Honda supercar, only with a different name.

[Dxs]

the shape looks boring to shit..

looks like an accord


has no NSX styling heritage

[DreadAngel]

I really prefer the original HSC concept.

Definitely with you there, but it seems they want the FM layout and 4WD so HSC will only ever be a concept :( This thing whatever its going to be called will never make it to Australia... If we do get it, it'll be under Acura most likely and cost both your testicles and more...

[fasthonda]

If you read this Edmunds article it says that it should have a 5.5L V10, 410Kw and nearly 570Nm.
If Mr Fukui's instructions to Honda's R&D are accurate,then the car will be a very significant contender in the sports car arena.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=127306

[z3lda]

Change the engine and drivetrain to a 2.x Litre FWD, reduce the price to 30g's. 08/09 CRX FTW !!

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2008/0617/11.acura.nsx.pro.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2008/0617/11.acrua.nsx.f34.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2008/0617/11.acura.nsx.r34.500.jpg

[fasthonda]

Change the engine and drivetrain to a 2.x Litre FWD, reduce the price to 30g's. 08/09 CRX FTW !!



That may happen with the upcoming CR-Z sports car( which I hope will happen) however Honda currently has a JDM 4 cylinder as it's hero performance car ie the FD2 .Honda needs something BIG to show off to the world it's technology and that all the years of experience it has spent in motor sports hasn't been in vain.

[z3lda]

all of honda's latest "sports" car releases are utter garbage.

[paps02]

they seem to have moved on from the ferrari look the nsx's had. engine dosnt seem like it would fit in the back either.. seems like new s2k as said previously..

still looks good either way

[ultimatekenz]

You can kind of tell the front grill is going to resemble something of a accord euro shape. Back looks ok though, other than that its pretty boring. Engine needs to rev to atleast 10,000rpm to make up for the looks lol!

[aaronng]

You can kind of tell the front grill is going to resemble something of a accord euro shape. Back looks ok though, other than that its pretty boring. Engine needs to rev to atleast 10,000rpm to make up for the looks lol!

10,000rpm means reliability issues. Not something Honda will want.

[ultimatekenz]

You can kind of tell the front grill is going to resemble something of a accord euro shape. Back looks ok though, other than that its pretty boring. Engine needs to rev to atleast 10,000rpm to make up for the looks lol!


10,000rpm means reliability issues. Not something Honda will want.

Wasn't being serious lol. With the rumored engine size and figures we'll be lucky to see 8k rpm. Im more interested in the technology and see how honda reacts to the new GTR.

[Malenic1981]

I think it's gonna be very fast car, prob faster than GTR, this car has nothing to do with NSX but as long as it's good performer and kicks everyones else ass I'l be happy.

unmasked
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/ciwai/11nsx.jpg

[kelvinthai]

will it come in auto? :p

[ultimatekenz]

I think it's gonna be very fast car, prob faster than GTR, this car has nothing to do with NSX but as long as it's good performer and kicks everyones else ass I'l be happy.

unmasked
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/ciwai/11nsx.jpg

Hey that doesn't look half bad! lol. I retract my comment about it looking boring :o


will it come in auto? :p

Judging by the way supercars are heading, it will be a really high tech 'dsg' style gearbox. If they are to compete with the all new gtr it will have to have something similar as i was reading about the new gtr gearbox and its been praised for its sophistication and speed in which the gears are shift.

[ShAwNeX]

Definitely with you there, but it seems they want the FM layout and 4WD so HSC will only ever be a concept :( This thing whatever its going to be called will never make it to Australia... If we do get it, it'll be under Acura most likely and cost both your testicles and more...

HEY! My testicles are worth quite a bit. So I think only one will be enough. LOL...:p

[ShAwNeX]

I remember when the Lexus supercar first came out for testing with all the camouflage and shit. This NSX has some resemblance to the Lexus.

[ShAwNeX]

That may happen with the upcoming CR-Z sports car( which I hope will happen) however Honda currently has a JDM 4 cylinder as it's hero performance car ie the FD2 .Honda needs something BIG to show off to the world it's technology and that all the years of experience it has spent in motor sports hasn't been in vain.

Isn't the CR-Z concept gonna be some hybrid sportscar like the Supra concept car? Disappointing!!!

[ShAwNeX]

they seem to have moved on from the ferrari look the nsx's had. engine dosnt seem like it would fit in the back either.. seems like new s2k as said previously..

still looks good either way

It's speculated to be a front engine and either rear or all wheel drive (SH-AWD)

[ShAwNeX]

will it come in auto? :p

It might come in one of those F1 paddle shifters behind the steering wheel. So you might be in luck (thats if u can afford it). LOL...

[ShAwNeX]

they seem to have moved on from the ferrari look the nsx's had. engine dosnt seem like it would fit in the back either.. seems like new s2k as said previously..

still looks good either way

If this does end up being a S2000 replacement then AWESOME (but it doesn't look like a convertible)!!! And if it is, then whatever happened to Honda's plan of getting rid of the S2000 and making a new model that competes in the Mazda MX-5 market?

[Zdster]

I think it's gonna be very fast car, prob faster than GTR

And you have determined this from . . . . ?

[tseesinngwailo]

I think its sad that its nowhere near the shape of the original NSX or even the HSC which they should have just put the SHAWD and V10 in that :) I dont care what they cost, as long as it keeps a GTR or the LF-A at bay, then it should be sold in Aus, its been a long time in coming, hopefully its not some ugly US idea of a sports car

[panda[cRx]]

I think it's gonna be very fast car, prob faster than GTR, this car has nothing to do with NSX but as long as it's good performer and kicks everyones else ass I'l be happy.

unmasked
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/ciwai/11nsx.jpg

fken sexeh as :D


That may happen with the upcoming CR-Z sports car( which I hope will happen) however Honda currently has a JDM 4 cylinder as it's hero performance car ie the FD2 .Honda needs something BIG to show off to the world it's technology and that all the years of experience it has spent in motor sports hasn't been in vain.

errr the cr-z will not be a 'performance' car

and no new honda hatch will be able to reproduce the rawness and fun of a gen2 crx. even something resembling a new del sol would be better than the stuff coming out

[sitta]

I think it's gonna be very fast car, prob faster than GTR, this car has nothing to do with NSX but as long as it's good performer and kicks everyones else ass I'l be happy.

unmasked
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/ciwai/11nsx.jpg

dont think it will be faster than the GTR, GTR is faster than carrera GT, i doubt honda will be faster than a carrera gt. It may be as fast but highly unlikely to be faster than the gtr

[aaronng]

dont think it will be faster than the GTR, GTR is faster than carrera GT, i doubt honda will be faster than a carrera gt. It may be as fast but highly unlikely to be faster than the gtr

GTR is quicker than the 911 Turbo on the Nurburgring. It is not quicker than a Carerra GT.

[fasthonda]

I'm still not 100% convinced that it is the new "NSX".It looks too small to have a V10 up the front.
There were mathematical calculations done by some engineers(?)at TOV site using the photo stills and someone came up with a measurement that placed it 1/2 a foot (approx15cm) shorter than the NSX and Porsche 911.:confused::confused:

[DreadAngel]

Meh, whatever it is, looks like an Aston front + side with a Bimmer Bum...

Next...

[aaronng]

I'm still not 100% convinced that it is the new "NSX".It looks too small to have a V10 up the front.
There were mathematical calculations done by some engineers(?)at TOV site using the photo stills and someone came up with a measurement that placed it 1/2 a foot (approx15cm) shorter than the NSX and Porsche 911.:confused::confused:

Why not? A Ferrari 599 GTB is not a big car, but still fits in a 6L V12 into the smallish front engine bay.

Bet you that "engineer" didn't take into account perspective correction. :)

[razaman]

No has said it yet but it looks a 'little' like a prelude.

Raz;)

[ShAwNeX]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080619.003/honda-ceo-demands-nsx-must-be-faster-than-gt-r

Honda's answer to the Nissan GT-R and Lexus LF A hit the ring earlier this week when our spies caught a black and white clad NSX prototype powering round the circuit. We had been questioning what kind of performance we can expect from Japan's newest supercar but now those questions have been answered after information has surfaced that Takeo Fukai, CEO of Honda demanded the development team build an NSX that is faster than both its Japanese rivals.

That would mean a lap time of at least 7 minutes 28 seconds would need to be achieved, that will certainly be a challenging task to undertake. Honda are going a little further upmarket than the GT-R with the package found under the hood with a front-mid mounted 5.5-liter V10 engine producing in the region of 550 ponies and 420 lb ft of torque.

Maximum efficiency for the engine will be achieved with a cylinder deactivation system when the car does not require all of its power such as at low speed. An eight-speed paddle-shifted automatic transmission is expected to pass the power to the wheels via a new version of Honda's Super-Handling All-Wheel-Drive system (SH-AWD).

The Honda/Acura NSX is still 2 years away but it will be interesting to see if they can once gain become Japan's ultimate supercar.

[Klayemore]

That thing looks sic! Kinda reminds me of a Gen2 CRX, but longer at the back

[panda[cRx]]

errr this was in your other thread, did u really need a new one?

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92755

i pitty the foo

[Malenic1981]

And you have determined this from . . . . ?

Well V10 engine with around 500hp, hondas smart 4WD (which is said to be the best in the world by many tests ect, plus they prob gonna make it even better for this car), usage of light materials and good weight balanse, this all leads to ultra high performance, and as guys from honda said it will have to be faster than GTR.

[kraiye]

If this does end up being a S2000 replacement then AWESOME (but it doesn't look like a convertible)!!! And if it is, then whatever happened to Honda's plan of getting rid of the S2000 and making a new model that competes in the Mazda MX-5 market?

well this one looks pretty MX5'ish / ghey!!!!!!

http://img.worldcarfans.com/US/2007/6/19/6070619.001/6070619.001.Mini4L.jpg

[EGB18CT]

kinda looks something out of maseratti and the spoon s2k rear end with the hard top...

[aaronng]

Just wanted to add... I hate the exhaust tips!

[DreadAngel]

Add this then to change the look of it...

Link (http://www.apexi.co.jp/products/exhaust/titan_s_f.html)

lol

[fasthonda]

Yep it's a V10!
It seems to handle the curves very easily-it sounds awesome.:thumbsup:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WR9XxFcFmCE

[Snoop_gee]

look out r35 :lol: no doubt

[paps02]

u mean look out wallet. these things wont be cheap

[Darkii_]

looks sexy like a zebra

[2002 TeGgY]

might be quicker than the gtr but i reckon it'll cost something like 250K+ on the road...

[vincikwan]

I will get one if it is cheaper or almost the same price as an M3

[ShAwNeX]

dont think it will be faster than the GTR, GTR is faster than carrera GT, i doubt honda will be faster than a carrera gt. It may be as fast but highly unlikely to be faster than the gtr

There is no way the GTR is quicker than the Carrera GT. NICE TRY!!! LOL...

[ShAwNeX]

well this one looks pretty MX5'ish / ghey!!!!!!

http://img.worldcarfans.com/US/2007/6/19/6070619.001/6070619.001.Mini4L.jpg

That's just using the body of the s2000 (a test MULE). Also to compete in the MX5 market with a V10 and AWD (although it is only speculation, their most often quite accurate). LOL...

[ShAwNeX]

Most people will agree with this styling because it uses the Ferrari design formula which has been proven to be popular. But I wish Honda would go their own way and produce some groundbreaking and innovative designs like the Mazda Furai (even the HSC would be better). But this styling will definitely be popular and sell well.

[ShAwNeX]

Yep it's a V10!
It seems to handle the curves very easily-it sounds awesome.:thumbsup:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WR9XxFcFmCE

I'm liking the sound. Never heard a Honda sounding so DAMN MEAN!!!!!

There doesn't seem to be a lot of body roll.

I don't know if its just the recording, but it sounds a lot like a Carrera GT when approaching the final right hand turn.

[ShAwNeX]

might be quicker than the gtr but i reckon it'll cost something like 250K+ on the road...

Nah. That'll probably be Type-R Version.

[preludacris]

No has said it yet but it looks a 'little' like a prelude.

Raz;)

lol, i was saying that to my mate aswell.

side profile has a bit of preludeness to it. :P

[interfooler]

its a pity the mid engine rear drive layout is gone. I still prefer the original NSX. Even until today its one of the best looking sportscar around.

[Malenic1981]

It sounds very mean, I like it

another vid, don't know if its same or different
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR2rbjo1raY

[paps02]

with a (rumoured) 5l v10 how can it not beat a 6cylinder skyrine? its got 4 more cylinders? who wants to be the first to explain this to me?

[iijjee]

with a (rumoured) 5l v10 how can it not beat a 6cylinder skyrine? its got 4 more cylinders? who wants to be the first to explain this to me?

OK! Not an expert but here goes... Firstly, yes, in a straight line drag to 100 km/h and around a track, a GTR (no longer known as a skyline) IS almost lineball with but marginally quicker than the Porsche Carrera GT (fastest production car around the ring... if it has been produced... it's slower than the GTR.. currently... including the Koenigsegg and the Veyron, which was 18 sec slower from memory!). GTR is slower in longer straight line sprints like 400m+...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times

Engine in GTR is twin turbo 3.8L... Veyron 16 cylinders, quad turbo etc etc. It's getting more and more about trick gearboxes, traction control, electronic aids to steering, braking, suspension, launch control etc. My donks the biggest won't work anymore!

Handling and outright top-end stonk is what rules the ring.

For comfort and daily driveability, the GTR wins almost any supercar comparo.

Where the NSX, if it ever comes about!, must succeed is driver involvement and aural stimulation. The GTR's performance milestones are not what Honda will be chasing. They will be targeting the 'everyday' supercar crown, with reliability and techno-brilliance thrown in for good measure!

I still think it's an NSX mule not an S2000, but don't expect Honda to encourage talk of comparing it to LF-A and GTR... they'll hit you with the numbers they think matter when the time is right!!!

[Malenic1981]

I think it will be priced to compete with GTR so around $150K

[Bludger]

Go HONDA!!!!

[ShAwNeX]

with a (rumoured) 5l v10 how can it not beat a 6cylinder skyrine? its got 4 more cylinders? who wants to be the first to explain this to me?

Skyline has turbo.

In addition the R35 has weird ass stuff in it and one these are:
e.g. Nitrogen filled tyres (supposedly reduces rotational mass).

[ShAwNeX]

well this one looks pretty MX5'ish / ghey!!!!!!

http://img.worldcarfans.com/US/2007/6/19/6070619.001/6070619.001.Mini4L.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kBKnUx299A&NR=1

[aaronng]

with a (rumoured) 5l v10 how can it not beat a 6cylinder skyrine? its got 4 more cylinders? who wants to be the first to explain this to me?

All about how much air you can feed into the engine (regardless of cylinders and capacity). The R35 GTR has twin turbos, which push air into the cylinders at above atmospheric pressure, meaning over 100% volumetric efficiency. If this NSX is still NA, then its volumetric efficiency will be below 100%. The more air you cram in, the more fuel you add in, giving you more power.

[paps02]

but 10 cylinders is still..... 10 cylinders... but i understand what you mean. its like cramming clothes into a cupboard

[Fr3aKi3]

The Toyota Crown as a V12 but it sure as hell isn't going to be beating a lot of the current sport cars.

Another vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0OTEZDAb9c

It's looks like a collection of some of the other footage as well as a bit of "town" driving.

[aaronng]

Eventhough I won't be able to afford this NSX, it does sound very nice...

[ludecrs]

The Toyota Crown as a V12 but it sure as hell isn't going to be beating a lot of the current sport cars.

Another vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0OTEZDAb9c

It's looks like a collection of some of the other footage as well as a bit of "town" driving.

JUST came here to post that lol.

[Fr3aKi3]

JUST came here to post that lol.

haha, beat ya to it!

I have to disagree with aaronng on the sound, "sounds very nice" is just too much of an understatement for me :p

[aaronng]

haha, beat ya to it!

I have to disagree with aaronng on the sound, "sounds very nice" is just too much of an understatement for me :p

My "sounds very nice" would be equivalent to someone elses "OMG I JUST CAME IN MY PANTS!!!" :p

Yes, just from that engine note, it makes me want to win lotto and splurge on this car... :(

[kraiye]

i wanna hear V-10-TEC!!!

[jugbugz]

All about how much air you can feed into the engine (regardless of cylinders and capacity). The R35 GTR has twin turbos, which push air into the cylinders at above atmospheric pressure, meaning over 100% volumetric efficiency. If this NSX is still NA, then its volumetric efficiency will be below 100%. The more air you cram in, the more fuel you add in, giving you more power.

errr, Vtec and iVtec already gives honda its engines to surpass 100% VE at top end rpms. You dont need FI to achieve 100% VE. Honda WAS the first manufacturer in the world to achieve 100hp/per litre in 1989. They also achieved 100% VE back in the 60-70s.

I for one don't doubt hondas Technology. Even the NSX-R was faster than the R34 GTR in the Drags, 1/4 mile and track.

[aaronng]

errr, Vtec and iVtec already gives honda its engines to surpass 100% VE at top end rpms. You dont need FI to achieve 100% VE. Honda WAS the first manufacturer in the world to achieve 100hp/per litre in 1989. They also achieved 100% VE back in the 60-70s.

I for one don't doubt hondas Technology. Even the NSX-R was faster than the R34 GTR in the Drags, 1/4 mile and track.

No, it still doesn't achieve 100% volumetric efficiency. Honda's VE is still lower compared to a few other brands that use NA. There were other manufacturers that achieved 100hp/litre before Honda too. Don't be a blind fanboy. What else are you going to spew out? That Honda invented variable valve timing and lift? Not true. Fiat holds the patent to that from back in the 1960s.

[kraiye]

ahh... but honda DID invent the wheel!!

[aaronng]

ahh... but honda DID invent the wheel!!
Yeah, but an Aussie dude stole the idea by patenting it before Honda did. :p
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn965-wheel-patented-in-australia.html

[BigWillieStyles]

nice of them to try, sounds like an interesting car. I hope its NA though.

[EuroAccord13]

Thread MERGED...
No point in having two of the same thread....

[jugbugz]

No, it still doesn't achieve 100% volumetric efficiency. Honda's VE is still lower compared to a few other brands that use NA. There were other manufacturers that achieved 100hp/litre before Honda too. Don't be a blind fanboy. What else are you going to spew out? That Honda invented variable valve timing and lift? Not true. Fiat holds the patent to that from back in the 1960s.

I was talking about production car. Honda DID make the 100hp per litre first.

haha I know Vtec was made back before the 1960s, Honda just put it into world wide production. I'm pretty sure Type R engines hit 100% VE.

[Malenic1981]

From auto express

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_536/car_photo_268302_25.jpg

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_536/car_photo_268299_25.jpg

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_536/car_photo_268296_25.jpg

Honda’s next NSX
New V10 sports car spied undergoing development.
Auto Express Car ReviewsText: Peter Lyon / Photos: Larson23rd June 2008Shrouded in a zebra-like camouflage, Honda’s new V10 supercar finally broke cover this week. And it’s the latest step in a project to replace the NSX.

Our spies caught the model lapping the Nürburgring in Germany. Development has only just started, and engineers have two targets.

Firstly, they have been challenged to get the two-door’s suspension set-up just right. But more than that, Honda wants to build the fastest production model around the circuit. And while the mechanical tweaks will be familiar territory for the firm’s technicians, breaking the lap record will be no mean feat – as the newcomer’s rivals, the Nissan GT-R and Lexus LF-A, are both capable of sub-seven minute 30 second laps of the legendary 13-mile race track.

The as-yet-unnamed coupé will get a 550bhp 5.5-litre V10 with cylinder deactivation technology. That means it will shut down five cylinders when engine load is light, thus reducing fuel consumption and emissions. Torque is set to top 570Nm, too. One source told us the 2+2 will wear a ‘hybrid’ aluminium and steel body to reduce weight, and sit on a modified version of the US Acura RL saloon platform.

An eight-speed auto gearbox with paddleshifters is on the cards, while hi-tech four-wheel drive will provide the best possible traction.

Expect the newcomer to debut in late 2010 or early 2011, when it’s likely to cost upwards of £90,000.

[aaronng]

I was talking about production car. Honda DID make the 100hp per litre first.

haha I know Vtec was made back before the 1960s, Honda just put it into world wide production. I'm pretty sure Type R engines hit over 100% VE.

Explain to me how you achieve 100% VE with an NA engine. As long as your intake manifold has a vacuum, you will NEVER reach 100% VE.

[jugbugz]

Explain to me how you achieve 100% VE with an NA engine. As long as your intake manifold has a vacuum, you will NEVER reach 100% VE.

Well we all know that as a rule that N/A engines do not operate at 100% VE. But in a very narrow RPM it does hit 100% and some surpass 100% with tuned motors.

iVTEC does brings a broader range of high VE throughout the RPM compared to VTEC. But its not impossible to hit 100% VE with a N/A motor, just not everywhere in the RPM.

Of course Turbos can do it but thats cheating :D

Anyway while we were on the topic of these things I thought I'd post this interesting page about HONDA's background. Its a good read!
http://www.ek9.org/forum/engine/2631-some-honda-history-you-enjoy-ek9.html

[aaronng]

I know I'm nitpicking, but in the article, he said hp/litre means volumetric efficiency which is incorrect. And the paragraphs after the VTEC section was disappointing. He did a good job of writing up the racing history though.

[Z]

Cant be assed reading the whole thread, but theres a writeup about it in todays Herald Sun Cars Guide about it. Honda are tipping it to spank the Nissan GT-R around the Nurburgring.

Price listed at $150k mark.

[aaronng]

Cant be assed reading the whole thread, but theres a writeup about it in todays Herald Sun Cars Guide about it. Honda are tipping it to spank the Nissan GT-R around the Nurburgring.

Price listed at $150k mark.

$150k for a car that is more expensive to build than the old NSX? I hope it comes out at that price!

[ShAwNeX]

The Toyota Crown as a V12 but it sure as hell isn't going to be beating a lot of the current sport cars.

Another vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0OTEZDAb9c

It's looks like a collection of some of the other footage as well as a bit of "town" driving.

OMG!!! I watched it like 10 times...LOL...It sounds even better than the other video.

Well you know that its their doing final/official testings when they have a Porsche 911 following behind them (and in this case also in front).

IS THE REAR SLIDING @ 3:10

WHAT A BEAST!!!

[aaronng]

OMG!!! I watched it like 10 times...LOL...It sounds even better than the other video.

Well you know that its their doing final/official testings when they have a Porsche 911 following behind them (and in this case also in front).

WHAT A BEAST!!!

Comparing just the speed of the NSX entering and exiting the corners, it does seem to be quicker than the old GTR vids. (unless this NSX vid is being played in fast motion)

[ShAwNeX]

MUGEN finally has something awesome to work with.

[EuroAccord13]

Cant be assed reading the whole thread, but theres a writeup about it in todays Herald Sun Cars Guide about it. Honda are tipping it to spank the Nissan GT-R around the Nurburgring.

Price listed at $150k mark.


The article did not say it will be listed at $150K, it stated that it will be ABOVE the $150K mark... Can be $170K or $200K for all we know....

[qstoria]

Cant be assed reading the whole thread, but theres a writeup about it in todays Herald Sun Cars Guide about it. Honda are tipping it to spank the Nissan GT-R around the Nurburgring.

Price listed at $150k mark.



is there a link to the sun herald article or is it in the paper only? couldnt find it on their site or drive.com.au

[jugbugz]

I know I'm nitpicking, but in the article, he said hp/litre means volumetric efficiency which is incorrect. And the paragraphs after the VTEC section was disappointing. He did a good job of writing up the racing history though.

I know I exagerated it a bit but my point is just that they do hit 100% VE narrowly and over on tuned engines. VE means how much air is filled in the cylinder per RPM. If it's fully filled then its 100% VE. 80% filled is 80% VE. Thats where that paragraph after vtec came from. Thats what I learnt anyway.:)

[Z]

The article did not say it will be listed at $150K, it stated that it will be ABOVE the $150K mark... Can be $170K or $200K for all we know....

It came from the Herald Sun so the figures mean nothing anyway.

[Zdster]

It came from the Herald Sun so the figures mean nothing anyway.

There is a big difference between, $150k and $150k+

[EK9]

From auto express

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_536/car_photo_268302_25.jpg

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_536/car_photo_268299_25.jpg


Damn, that would look pretty hot... kinda like Ferrari/Maserati styling. But please don't call it NSX... anything else...

[aaronng]

Damn, that would look pretty hot... kinda like Ferrari/Maserati styling. But please don't call it NSX... anything else...

I like the front but not the rear.... especially the stacked square exhaust.

[xxxlude]

Look's like an S2000 had sex with a Maserati

[ShAwNeX]

If I'm not mistaken SH-AWD increases speed to the outer wheels (correct me if i'm wrong) and @ 3:13 it looked like the left wheels sped up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0OTEZDAb9c

[DreadAngel]

Call it S5000 GT-R lol

[aaronng]

If I'm not mistaken SH-AWD increases speed to the outer wheels (correct me if i'm wrong) and @ 3:13 it looked like the left wheels sped up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0OTEZDAb9c

The right wheel probably also sped up at the same time. :)

[Klayemore]

fwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrk

[aaronng]

Sounds so good, I reckon it sounds better than the F430.

[ShAwNeX]

Sounds so good, I reckon it sounds better than the F430.

It's totally different to the typical sharp and electronic Honda sound

[ShAwNeX]

Any chance of ADVANCED VTEC and dual clutch? If so then this car would have every piece of technology that Honda has.

[aaronng]

Sounds like a DSG to me because of how quick the gearchanges are.

[grncivic03]

its ok, i like the body of the old one alot more. this one reminds me of a european car

[fasthonda]

If it looks like the Autoexpress artist impression-it's going to be a very good looking car.
The old NSX still looks great but seems dated compared to the GTR and Toyota's LF-A.
The challenge for Honda is to get it right-todays competition is extremely fierce it needs to stand out as a viable alternative not just to Japanese high performance cars but also to European exotics eg Porsche.
Once it's seen as viable competitor it needs to again stretch the performance boundries with a Type R version to follow.
Let's hope unlike the NSX ,it will develop this car as the years go by-Honda was quite woeful and neglectful in it's NSX "development"and as everyone saw the competiton not only made up lost ground but surpassed Honda.

[Blitzen]

sounds like a higher displacement V configuration engine, dosn't have that screamer engine sound like Ferrari 360 or 430, yet not like a big bore sound apparent from popular muscle cars thesedays

and sounds like they have to fine tune the gearbox :p downshift rev match sounds slow...

[sitta]

um.. will this be 2+2 seating configuration? if they can beat the gtr in the track honda is making a legend killer!!!

[aaronng]

sounds like a higher displacement V configuration engine, dosn't have that screamer engine sound like Ferrari 360 or 430, yet not like a big bore sound apparent from popular muscle cars thesedays


I disagree. It sounds better than the F430, which DOESN'T have the scream of the F360.

[ShAwNeX]

Interior photo

http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Honda/NSX/Spy_ring_2/2011_Honda_NSX_spy_shots_MotorAuthority_006.jpg

You can actually see the paddle shift thingy.

[fasthonda]

You can actually see the paddle shift thingy.

You can also just make out the 7,000 rpm numeral which seems to be located
only half way up around the tacho dial.

[aaronng]

You can also just make out the 7,000 rpm numeral which seems to be located
only half way up around the tacho dial.

Redline is 8500 rpm. I'm guessing cutout should be 9000rpm.

http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/775929/as_nsx-06.jpg

[d15z1SUX]

its looking alot better than the advanced sports car concept at tokyo auto salon. correct me if im wrong. this is the restyled version of that?

[ALN]

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-image?image=775929/as_nsx-07.jpg


check this out. The tacho is till 10,000 rpm. I guess it would manage to rev until 9k rpm. Damn.... should love the sound of it

[ShAwNeX]

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-image?image=775929/as_nsx-07.jpg


check this out. The tacho is till 10,000 rpm. I guess it would manage to rev until 9k rpm. Damn.... should love the sound of it

That thing has Takata harness.

[Bludger]

I like the front but not the rear.... especially the stacked square exhaust.I sort of like it.....

I like tyhe concept, but needs to be a little bit fatter on the rear...

[Type R Positive]

Looks too much like a nissan or supra for my liking.
I'd still give my left nut to own one...

[sitta]

hopefully this sounds better than galardo, i've heard the galardo beeing reved to the redline sounds like an earthquake and than near ther redline the sound undescribable, very crazy.

[Type R Positive]

hopefully this sounds better than galardo, i've heard the galardo beeing reved to the redline sounds like an earthquake and than near ther redline the sound undescribable, very crazy.
You can find youtube clips of it pounding out laps at the Nur.
I think temple of vtec had some on their site.
I think it sounded so good! *drools*

[jugbugz]

I hope honda would make more power though... They've always impressed us all with the 100+ hp per litre. 600bhp(5.5 = 110hp per litre) would be nice... :)

[^^v]

I hope honda would make more power though... They've always impressed us all with the 100+ hp per litre. 600bhp(5.5 = 110hp per litre) would be nice... :)

i read somewhe on TOV that it'll have 600ps...

[tiksie]

I think it's gonna be very fast car, prob faster than GTR, this car has nothing to do with NSX but as long as it's good performer and kicks everyones else ass I'l be happy.

unmasked
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/ciwai/11nsx.jpg

DB9 anyone ?

[IZY-10]

DB9 anyone ?

wtf it does look like a db9

[twing]

The pix above is not the real unmasked. It's called 'artist impression' ;)

[GTRVspec95]

I think it's gonna be very fast car, prob faster than GTR, this car has nothing to do with NSX but as long as it's good performer and kicks everyones else ass I'l be happy.

unmasked
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/ciwai/11nsx.jpg


DB9 anyone ?

DB9 ...

http://www.desktopcar.net/wallpaper/19708-2/Aston_Martin_DB9-09.jpg

or Supra

http://images.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0712_sccp_02_z+toyota_supra+side_view.jpg

Either way that shits whack ...

why didn't they just develop the beautiful HSC design :(

http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/as/autoshow2004/photos%5Cb_bbAcuraHSC.jpg

[Dxs]

looks like it is going to be a let down

just a front engined coupe
maybe the engine will be good..

the nsx had real soul, midship rwd, aluminium body.. engine was boring though

this seems the opposite

[preludacris]

lol what do you mean let down.

first test run at nurberg running 7.37's. much faster than the old nsxR which ran 7 50 something i believe.

this will munch the new gtr i'm sure with some tweaks here and there.

[c1v1c]

why didn't they just develop the beautiful HSC design :(

http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/as/autoshow2004/photos%5Cb_bbAcuraHSC.jpg


Maybe they not using the HSC design because the engine was in the rear.. Where as the new NSX is in the front.. BTW Honda sources have quoted that it will not be called the NSX because it has nothing to do with the NSX philosophy..

[Dxs]

lol what do you mean let down.

first test run at nurberg running 7.37's. much faster than the old nsxR which ran 7 50 something i believe.

this will munch the new gtr i'm sure with some tweaks here and there.

design wise

engine will be the sex though

[d15z1SUX]

it will be called the honda db9 or honda vanquish maybe.

[nounderscore]

honda prelude 6th gen:cool:

[panda[cRx]]

i was told by one of the honda aust head honchos at this stage it's unlikely this will be sold in australia :(



this will munch the new gtr i'm sure with some tweaks here and there.

...until the vspec comes out lol

[aaronng]

;1848101']i was told by one of the honda aust head honchos at this stage it's unlikely this will be sold in australia :(

I don't blame them, especially after the poor record of new NSX sales. They do need to bring the FD2 Type R in! haha. Honda will be bleeding in the sports hatch/sedan market when the Ralliart Lancer is released here. Then the EVO X will be the nail in the coffin.

[digler]

I don't blame them, especially after the poor record of new NSX sales. They do need to bring the FD2 Type R in! haha. Honda will be bleeding in the sports hatch/sedan market when the Ralliart Lancer is released here. Then the EVO X will be the nail in the coffin.

i saw the first evo x roll off the truck today. looks like the nail is already in lol.

[xplod_accord]

Be good if it isn't sold locally. Means we can import it eventually.

[fasthonda]

I don't blame them, especially after the poor record of new NSX sales. They do need to bring the FD2 Type R in! haha. Honda will be bleeding in the sports hatch/sedan market when the Ralliart Lancer is released here. Then the EVO X will be the nail in the coffin.

Yep the NSX was a disappointment in terms of sales.The outgoing NSX was $225,000?so one can imagine what would be the price of this V10 machine.

The FD2 would certainly be a competitor to the WRX and Ralliart-but I don't think it could match it with the EVO X or STI in terms of performance and everyday driving.
I think and I hate to say it,the next generation of Type Rs may need to be turbo or supercharged.
It's just becoming increasingly difficult for Honda to compete with these force fed cars.

[kraiye]

honda should def do a SC-CTR.
they'd still be different cause everyone else is going turbo and it would certainly put them ahead

[ShiRi]

Be good if it isn't sold locally. Means we can import it eventually.

For those who'll be able to afford it! haha

[r-r-redEuro]

Look's like an S2000 had sex with a Maserati

more like a ferrari 599 and the AUDM CTR had a baby lol.

[Crapdaz]

holy crap man, rather save up for a house then.

but it looks bloody sex'd

[~Sp33~]

I know I exagerated it a bit but my point is just that they do hit 100% VE narrowly and over on tuned engines. VE means how much air is filled in the cylinder per RPM. If it's fully filled then its 100% VE. 80% filled is 80% VE. Thats where that paragraph after vtec came from. Thats what I learnt anyway.:)

Just admit your wrong, your information is horrid.

[m0nty ITR]

Yep the NSX was a disappointment in terms of sales.The outgoing NSX was $225,000?so one can imagine what would be the price of this V10 machine.

The FD2 would certainly be a competitor to the WRX and Ralliart-but I don't think it could match it with the EVO X or STI in terms of performance and everyday driving.
I think and I hate to say it,the next generation of Type Rs may need to be turbo or supercharged.
It's just becoming increasingly difficult for Honda to compete with these force fed cars.

Almost never gonna happen. Honda have always prided themselves on achieving big numbers via NA. The FD2 is more than worthy in a battle with the Evo X and STi. Look at the AMS S2000 at Superlap last year. Just 300PS with 1,200kg body and ran 56s. At the track it's all about linear power delivery and mid corner grip. For a FWD the FD2 has bucketloads of both.

[m0nty ITR]

honda should def do a SC-CTR.
they'd still be different cause everyone else is going turbo and it would certainly put them ahead

Volkswagen says :wave:

They are rolling out direct injection twin charge engines across their entire range over the next 2 years. Quite alot of other Eu manufacturers are developing the same technology. It's the way force fed engines will be heading.

[jugbugz]

Just admit your wrong, your information is horrid.

Are we still saying N/A engines dont hit over 100% VE? :rolleyes:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=152096
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volumetric_efficiency

[Terry_GT-R34]

Yep the NSX was a disappointment in terms of sales.The outgoing NSX was $225,000?so one can imagine what would be the price of this V10 machine.

The FD2 would certainly be a competitor to the WRX and Ralliart-but I don't think it could match it with the EVO X or STI in terms of performance and everyday driving.
I think and I hate to say it,the next generation of Type Rs may need to be turbo or supercharged.
It's just becoming increasingly difficult for Honda to compete with these force fed cars.

V10 + Turbo + ATTS would frighten the living daylights out of my GT-R.
It'd be competitive with the R35 & GT2 I'm sure. I do trust Honda R & D.
Ourselves? We can only speculate :confused:

[DreadAngel]

You need to pad up the mushy thing at the controls, buff them up with a few things to make them almost immortal ;)

LanEvos and latest STis do this very well =P

[aaronng]

Honda Asiapac's president says that the Honda brand is strong here and hence there won't be any Acura in Australia. So we won't get the NSX. I think he needs to put the weed down and realise that in Australia, Honda goes against Mazda, Subaru and Toyota. Not BMW and Audi like he is dreaming about.

http://carsales.com.au/car-review/2990765.aspx

[d15z1SUX]

or they could rebadge it a honda? lol i wish

[addiktnexus]

would it be safe to suggest the new accord cylinder deactivation tech for city/street driving. v10 to at least a v4 for low fuel consumption.

[gumus89]

Possibly V6, i dont know if 4 cyclinders will be enough.
The accord wipes out half its cylinders, i dont see the NSX deactivating much more than half IFF it does have the technology in the first place.
Its not being built as a daily driver as such so i do doubt it.

[~Sp33~]

Possibly V6, i dont know if 4 cyclinders will be enough.
The accord wipes out half its cylinders, i dont see the NSX deactivating much more than half IFF it does have the technology in the first place.
Its not being built as a daily driver as such so i do doubt it.

Enough for what? The accord only goes to 3cylinder mode when there's little to no strain on the engine, and the accord would weigh more then the new NSX.

[DreadAngel]

Random... A thread dedicated to the Honda NSX and you want more pics of S2Ks =|

Go check ---> http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=26

[Type R Positive]

please add some more pictures of the Honda S2000 (http://www.10facts.com/article/Autos/Cars/Honda/Honda-S2000.html), thanks
no. :p

[S2kane]

no. :p
Ha Ha..

[kraiye]

Here you go! (http://images.google.com.au/images?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=Honda+S2000&btnG=Search+Images)


now please lay off the crack (http://www.oaktowncrack.com/images/photos/Smoking_Crack.jpg), thanks

[Louis - Type S]

^^^^ lol

[~Sp33~]

Yep, you said that already.

[kraiye]

where're the mods?
who is this joker?

i told you to lay off the crack! thanks

[~Sp33~]

Seeing as you asked so nicely this time around...

[d15z1SUX]

please add some more pictures of the Honda S2000 (http://www.10facts.com/article/Autos/Cars/Honda/Honda-S2000.html), thanks

isnt this thread about nsx? lol

[WTFSIR]

Here is a link to the most recent Tokyo Autosalon 09

This is pictures of the NEW NSX RR Concept!

ENJOY!

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/tas-2...sx-rr/1289635/

[d15z1SUX]

^ bot? lol

[kraiye]

just ban already!!! sheesh