Jdm B16a Eg5

[VTEChnique]

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/data/500/281B16A_1.jpg

it's FINALLY in and running OK, what you guys think ?

[geo41e]

nice
no a/c huh ??
hehe

[egSi]

what was wrong with the D? :(

oh well, got it dynoed?

what mods u got, just intake?

[Weq]

plenty of room for a t3/4 :P

[VTEChnique]

what was wrong with the D? :(

oh well, got it dynoed?

what mods u got, just intake?

hahah the D was too old and not enough potential though it was a GREAT motor !! if anyone wants to buy the D it's going cheap :)

Not dyno'd yet.. will do soon after I've done intake and timing and plugs etc..

Intake is just my old D-series tube so it's WAAAAYYY too small in diameter, and my old K&N Filter has seen better days.. Am doing an OEM airbox setup - ducted into bottom of box with HKS panel filter if I use the Si airbox, or a TRUST filter if I use the ITR air-box.. I already have the ITR airbox, but no intake tube..

Other engine mod is just a 2.5" cat-back mandrel bent system with N1-style canister muffler - whoever says 2.5" is too big for B16A is wrong..

I didnt use my air-con all last summer - the fan was broken, so I figured I dont need it.. I've left al lthe plumbing in-tact so I can re-install the A/C in summer if it's too hot.. bt for now, I dont need it.. is just weight I been pulling around.

and yeah who knows might boost the B16.. will have to see where i'm at in 6 months time.. at this stage I will be staying N/A but who knows if I get bored HAHAA

[SiR JDM]

hahah Good work VTEChnique.. looking good!
Reminds me when i got my B16a into my white EG engine bay after a handful of dramas like yourself..

I had a breeze, so i got aircon PUT IN, but you originally had it but took it out!! lol..
I dunno wat the summers are like in perth but here in melb i need aircon :P

[[[d a n n y]]]

good work...

[VTEChnique]

hmm so what should be my first power-getter mods ?

Header is out of the question as my swap budget got blown out of the water, but what else can I do to the B ??

I think it's running on the original OEM plugs still, and I am a big fan of these plugs, so will probably just remove them, then clean and gap the plugs befpoore re-installing them - my OEM D-series plugs were good for 180,000Kms with servicing.

I am adding some redline fuel system cleaner and doing the plugs ASAP, what else can I do - what have you guys done ? ignition ? fuel delivery etc..

also what RPM do you guys launch at ? have had trouble getting used to it ( only had vtec for 2 nights tho I guess ) but a mate in EK4 smoked me last night and one of his launches I noticed was minor wheelspin, but like 1m after taking off he hit VTEC !! this made a huge difference being B16A vs. B16A it was essentially a race to who could get into VTEC first HAHAAH..

[chop_sticks]

nice but why not a B18C??

[tinkerbell]

price?

[SIKCVC]

DONT PUT FUEL CLEANER IN!!!

I did it and if fouled my plugs 3 times!!! Its shit house stuff... if you want to clean your fuel system, take it to a professional.

PS nice work... Still dunno why you didnt do it yourself though.

[ECU-MAN]

Nice, so did ya sort out the ELD and O2 Heater ??? the exhaust manifold area is looking a little lonley there.

[wynode]

That intake arm and pod look......well wrong! hehe

[VTEChnique]

hahhaa yeah i removed the whole IM and thoroughly cleaned the whole thing including the TB and the intake ports (no I didnt P=P, just cleaned to stock finish) and now the poor thing has to suck through a tiny D16Y1 intake hahaha. Good friend of mine has B18C intake tube for me to try, otherwise since i have DC2-R airbox (Thanks Marz!!) Iwill just get an OEM DC2-R intake tube.. dont want bling-blung alloy chrome intake.

As for the B18C suggestion ? well low KM JDM B16A came along at the right price and was exactly what I was looking for: a DRIVING motor from a JDM Del-Sol CRX SiR-II .. as in not a front cut or a naked motor and tranny that has been sitting idle for who knows how long plus has been picked up and dumped down on it's arse by a forklift 42 times etc.. corroded water paths, seized etc internals, dried and perished seals the list goes on.
I would still recommend a front-cut to any would-be swappers though as then you dont have the nightmare I had of sourcing the missing and damaged parts etc.

why B16 not B18 ?

well yes budget was an issue, and I did enjoy the prospect of more low-down pulling power, however a B18C was about $1,000 more than the going B16's and my budget could not even come close to a type R swap. Further research and test driving proved to me that:

a. in my opinion, adequate power and torque for MY driving needs could be achieved from a B16A with the right mods.

b. B18C had limited OEM hybrid parts interchangability without further modifications etc. For example the intake manifold. B16A has seemingly endless aftermarket and OEM parts support and availability.

c. The Head seemed to beever so slightly more refined than the more 'gets the job done' B18C IM - though I'm sure there are plenty who would debate this. Better Head = better top end POTENTIAL, plus if I ever decide to Stroke to 2L or go B20 Block Combo, I feel the B16A head once again offers slightly more potential than the B18C.

d. I wanted to remain N/A and the posibility of mild hop-ups from OEM type R (etc) parts to retain factory reliability was very desirable, and the camshaft specs on the JDM SiR-II B16A are approaching that of type R territory, where the B18C Camshafts are more oriented to mid range power.. I want top-end.

e. Staying easilly legal without requiring engineering permits etc. As the engine is essentially the same configuration as my stock D16Y1 (~1.6L 16V PGM-FI VTEC) all that is required in terms of keeping the swap legit are Change of Engine Number forms.

f. It has always been in the back of my mind to think ahead to when I am older and calmer and more of a purist ( like my dad basically) and would want to remain true to the Japanese Domestic Market EG6 Civic SiR-II.. and not make too much of a bastard hybrid, but more of a refined example of what I feel is a 'modern classic'.

theres more reasons etc, but that's the basic jist..

As for Price Tinks.. well totally maxxed my budget - but so far hasnt totally exceeded my set-aside sleep-easy-at-night budget of $4,000.00 all up including:

B16A + Y21 Trans + P30 ECU + Mounts + Axles
2.5" Mandrel Steel cat-back with cannon-style muffler including silencer.
New Outer CV joints on both sides.
Modified Shifter and Linkage.
Modified Engine mounts.
Modified Throttle cable and Water Hoses etc.

[tinkerbell]

under $5K is good :)

[Setanta]

Looks good but damn is that radiator tiny. The one in my EF9 is a hell of a lot longer.

[VTEChnique]

yeah it's an itsy-bitsy wittle baby wadiator.. is the stock VTi radiator - integra full width radiator comming soon..

[egSi]

hey man u need:

K+N intake
DC sports headers
Edelbrock IM
Crower adjustable cam gears
dyno time....

ill eg man ;)

[type one]

nice job... power mods eh?? hmmmm... no extractors??

spoon ventuli plate
vtec controller
plus the intake you been looking at

that should net you some good gains on the butt dyno.

[VTEChnique]

hahah EG Si.. that's big $$ suggestions there - already have K&N pod filter ; ) dont want pod though.. unles sis in ITR air-box.

As for IM - not at this stage, no need.
ADJ Cam gears will come but prob not Crower.. and same for DC sports headers - not a huge fan of US products.. Prob rather get JDM ITR 4-1 header.. but thanks to Labour cost blowing out to over 200% of original quote, I have no $$ left for header which I DID want to include in the swap.. ohh well..

Type One, what does the Ventuli plate actually do ? am skeptical of this particular spoon product.. and as for VTEC controller - that is useless unless has SFC functions also.. but I dont want even that at this stage.. am thinking more about ignition/spark and fuel delivery mods.. small DIY tuning.. not Pay $$$ for part X and get X HP gains.. blehh :P

Spark plugs leads etc ??? recomendations ?

[D16A8]

Nice job hey, Lookin' good :D

[egSi]

not a fan of US parts?? pfft u jdm whore jk. US parts own!!

well its not for everybody hey man.

nah get some nice headers for sure and fix ur intake and that butt dyno will be smoking! haahhaha


i liked you D but if you are happy with your b16 then thats all the matters...

is this better:

hks adj. cam gears
spoon headers
sure there are some jap im too ;)

:)

[SIKCVC]

How much did the labour end up costing you? Did you include that in your price you posted up before?

[Weq]

Looks good but damn is that radiator tiny. The one in my EF9 is a hell of a lot longer.

My same radiator has hanlded boost for 9 months now, never had overflow, with intercooler impeeding flow. That says something for the quality vs quantity. It will take all the b16a has to give imo.

[SiR JDM]

Yea im still using my BREEZE radiator on my b16a and i havn't had problems yet..

Correct me if im wrong, but i think the Auto b16as have the fatter radiator but the manuals are thinner?
Also that the auto will only fit auto cars, but the manual will fit both manual and auto cars?

Like i said tho, correct me if im wrong ^_^

btw - i was going to do the full dc2 radiator as well ..
What needs to be done to make it fit?
Can you still run aircon with a dc2 one? VTEChnique aircon is gone so he should have no probs.. right?
But i just got aircon chucked in so yea? Can you run both like a normal dc2?

[SIKCVC]

I'm usng the stock EG6 radiator and the thermo fan has NEVER come on... and the temp guage has never risen pas 2/5s max temp (just under half)...

[mytoycivic]

as for the auto and manual thingo...

yes you can make an auto-manual, but it is a lot more work than just getting the right one...

yes i am v. interested in labour costs too :D

[SiR JDM]

my b16a conversion was 3k labour inclusive..
but those who know me know the problems i faced so anyone offering that cheap, DONT FOOKING DO IT!! Your asking for trouble by being a tightass!

btw - my thermo stays at 1/2 exactly constantly..

[ECU-MAN]

Correct me if im wrong, but i think the Auto b16as have the fatter radiator but the manuals are thinner?
Also that the auto will only fit auto cars, but the manual will fit both manual and auto cars?



I think the Auto radiators are Dual core, manual are single.

[na]

i was lucky that nite...i got header...pretty impressive still...and i was alone, u got another person sitting beside u...pretty impressive still...kwinana motorway maybe??

[CRXY01]

nice work looks much more impressive!
Sure will give the EG a lot more curry! :D

[VTEChnique]

i was lucky that nite...i got header...pretty impressive still...and i was alone, u got another person sitting beside u...pretty impressive still...kwinana motorway maybe??

i still cant drive it proper yet.. will take a while to get used to powerband, gear ratios, clutch and shift feel. been practicing my launches a bit more tonight but still not into VTEC as fast as you.

hehe yeah Kwinana after I've done intake and plugs.. will have to invite a certain riced-up EK4 to join us.. will make some good footage haha.

cost for labour ? well total was $3,080..they 'discounted' it to $2,150 - initial quote was for $1,000. hrmm. but i wasnt naive and knew costs for a hybrid cost would blow out but i was hoping not that bad.

I havnt had any trouble with temp using the radiator YET.. it was brand new 2 years ago genuine honda radiator so i hope it will be ok for street use.

[VTEChnique]

to add to that, IF I had un-damaged pulleys, un-damaged mounts, correct linkage and axles plus good condition CV's, the cost WOULD have been about $1000-$1,200 I estimate.

so the key to an ecconomical swap is to get good working order, correct parts all together before you book her in.

[VTEChnique]

not a fan of US parts?? pfft u jdm whore jk. US parts own!!

well its not for everybody hey man.

nah get some nice headers for sure and fix ur intake and that butt dyno will be smoking! haahhaha


i liked you D but if you are happy with your b16 then thats all the matters...

is this better:

hks adj. cam gears
spoon headers
sure there are some jap im too ;)

:)

haha actually I was being a bit JDM nazi. I dont mind some DC sports, AEM and some other USA products, however I am partial to OEM reliability and Japanese QUALITY.

My D was a GREAT little motor - won me a lot of grudge matches, performed well at autokhanas and pulled 15.61" quater even before exhaust and suspension mods. only prob was needed CV's, Timing belt, Piston rings, Head gasket etc.. it wasnt down on power but i am always worried about reliability and this motor had almost 190,000kms so I wanted a sub-100,000kms motor.

RIP the D !!!!! Respect the D !! Bring on the B.

[egSi]

cool man, it excellent to hear a B16 dude still gove the d16 some respect :)

my Ds get long in tooth now, but it goes better than ever and i dont mind replacing things coz i upgrade as i go..

i got a timing belt and boot to do as well, sittin here lookin at me just need time to put them and some other gear on ;)

US owns nazi boy haha

[bumography]

Hi,
Just curious why the radiators on EK and EG civics are so small.
My radiator on my 88 crx is 2 times bigger, and the aircon used to be right in front of it.
Hey that must mean CRX is better?! =D

*Runs!*

[Uncouth]

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/data/500/281B16A_1.jpg

it's FINALLY in and running OK, what you guys think ?


Nice setup dude! How much did you spend in all?? Most importantly, are you in Perth?? Perhaps you can give me some pointers on getting the same setup as ya? :P cheers!

Vtec sounds the best...

[ECU-MAN]

Hi,
Just curious why the radiators on EK and EG civics are so small.
My radiator on my 88 crx is 2 times bigger, and the aircon used to be right in front of it.
Hey that must mean CRX is better?! =D

*Runs!*
With the half size radiator your dont have the condensor infront, two advantages, 1 no air flow restrictions 2 the heat from the condensor in not transfered to the radiator when the air con is running, so on a hot day with the air con on the engine will run cooler than your crx. in normal use the half size radiator is fine. also the condensor is more efficent with out the heat of the radiator.

[Civic Type R]

i.. will have to invite a certain riced-up EK4 to join us.. will make some good footage haha..

You're goin to get SMOKED my good man :wave:

[Nuttz]

the reason why the radiators are smaller is cos the motors run cooler :)
higher efficiency :)

Also I know that the D radiators for auto and manual are the same size, but the auto one has a the transmission cooler in the bottom of them. Not sure if this applies to B motors.
GO D!!!

[Baopham]

very nice.. looks like mine, i had no dramas putting my b16a in, 3 days ittook, 3 long days.. :P

[--eskimo-eg--]

i want one of thosee plz!!! so damn nice!!!

[VTEChnique]

You're goin to get SMOKED my good man

I’m Looking forward to Saturday, see you then – good luck Adam !!

[Civic Type R]

well dude i was goin up until 2 hours ago :(

so unfortunately i will miss out on this one.
Make sure you break the 14sec barrier !

[Civic Type R]

how did you go ?

[VTEChnique]

Where were you ???? no show ?? after all your noise I thought you'd ACTUALLY show up.. well anyway..

got chopped by a mum in a GLi Lancer on my first run.. just sat there spinning.

Last run (only had 7) pulled 15.020.. talk about teasing me !!
was consistently 15.2's in mid 20 degree heat and running into a headwind.. and on Stock 14" steelies with Pirelly P3500 rubber. still had a bad 60 ft time, but was pushing the RPM higer - was revving almost to 9,000RPM on my VTi Tacho and didnt hit rev-limit..and was still pulling too I might add.

Motor still not running at 100%.. ignition timing is way out, IACV is dirty and creating a bad idle etc.. still throwing O2 sensor heater code and Electronic Load Detector code.

So not running 100% but still managed to 'warm the tyres' more than adequately HAHAH

Must give another shout of respect to the D which took me to a 15.61" with stock exhaust..

In my class, I must give props to Kennedy in his B18C EG Sedan who was around 14.4" and Suki in his DC5 who took class victory with 14.0 consistent passes and maybe quicker in the final rounds.

[HRV-80Y]

is dat the concrete floor i can see jus under the headers ? ahha if so u gota plenty room like weq said chuck a t3/4 in it... = p

[VTEChnique]

hahaha will go N/A I think first.. but boost has crossed my mind - need LSD first though before any more major power.
concrete there cause the workshop forgot to re-install the under-cowling..pffttt they even lost the OEM trim-clips !! I re-installed it myself already.. but still got all that room haha

[Civic Type R]

i wasnt making that much noise actually.
Everyone else was hyping it up to be the big Bede vs Adam drag nite. Yes obviuosly i would love to had been there and improve on my 14.8 but circumstances were against me. I will be down there soon - after MC day and maybe just before PAS.

[Marz]

Don't lie...everyone I witnessed Adam PERSONALLY causin shit everywhere..

[Civic Type R]

Don't lie...everyone I witnessed Adam PERSONALLY causin shit everywhere..
:confused:
wtf.
and what do you call this ?

[KB]

Where is the love?

[wynode]

Don't lie...everyone I witnessed Adam PERSONALLY causin shit everywhere..
Take it to PM thanks

[egSi]

this thread just wont die lol

just race and let us know who wins will you.

go bede btw :D

[Civic Type R]

lol..

EK vs Eg

[EG5]

what is your best time down the 1/4 mile ?
im thinkin of b16a swap
at the moment i did 15.1@92mph
2.1 sec 60 footer.
i got 1.6 twin cam d16a8 engine with a nearly dead clutch

[Baopham]

15.1 for a d16 is pretty good mate.. be proud... a stock b16 in ur eg wont make it that fast.. :D

[joyride]

u might be able to squeeze in the upper tower bar there too.

[tanghy]

why don't the 2 of u settle it on nov 7 at maxaction

[VTEChnique]

hahaha this is funny shit..

EG5.. your times are great for a ZC !! your 60ft times are like mine.. room for improvement.

Tanghy, the VTEChnique Drag-Day will be in the not too distant future, though I am keen to see how the B16 likes witches hats :)

[Civic Type R]

witches hats on the 1/4 mile ??? am i missing something here mate ?
Im doing a full day MC this sunday and i hope to see how those little orange plastic things handle being run over :P

I hope to see you on Nov 7. It should be what everyone has been waiting for - LOL !

[sivic]

bede/adam, make sure you give us penty of notice about the drag day. that way us poor buggers that have to work weekends can get the time off :D

[Civic Type R]

Im thinking it will be November 7th ?
Bede can you confirm.

[sivic]

the vtechnique drag day? or is it going to be held same time as this maxaction event tanghy mentioned? if it is.... :mad:
already been rostered to work the 7th.......ah well. come to think about it, i haven't had a sick day for a while ;)

[VTEChnique]

witches hats on the 1/4 mile ??? am i missing something here mate ?

Me saying I want to see how it likes witches hats (or whatever I said) meant that Yes I am very keen to do a motorkhana/autokhana style driving event (witches hats) in contrast to the 1/4 Mile Drag-Racing we had been talking about in the thread.


bede/adam, make sure you give us penty of notice about the drag day. that way us poor buggers that have to work weekends can get the time off :D

VTEChnique members will be notified well in advance of the VTEChnique Drag-Day as soon as a date has been finalised. We are still waiting for a couple of member's cars' run-in periods (post engine work) to be complete before setting a date in concrete.


I hope to see you on Nov 7. It should be what everyone has been waiting for - LOL !

Adam if you are refering to the below post from Tanghy, he was talking about the Max-Action event which is an autokhana/motorkhana style event - which means timed trials around revolving/set-courses marked out with witches hats.

why don't the 2 of u settle it on nov 7 at maxaction


Im thinking it will be November 7th ?
Bede can you confirm.

Unfortunately at this stage I have no plansto compete in the Max-Action event on November the 7th.
I must point out that you had the opportunity to come down to Drag-Wars last weekend and you didnt show-up, with no reason since given, so you are not in a position to be making any demands to have another big show down.

We (VTEChnique administrators) will inform you (Adam) of the date of the VTEChnique Club Drag-Day and you will be welcome to come down and participate, however please without any hostility, we would appreciate if you would cease to associate yourself with the Club itself.

FYI, I still need to sort out a couple of small things with the swap so I can set the ignition timing etc - is still throwing a few codes and ECU is playing games advancing and retarding ignition per cycle... There isn't much point taking my civic back down to the Motorplex in it's current state of tune.

[Civic Type R]

We (VTEChnique administrators) will inform you (Adam) of the date of the VTEChnique Club Drag-Day and you will be welcome to come down and participate, however please without any hostility, we would appreciate if you would cease to associate yourself with the Club itself.

ummmm where was i ever referring that i was part of, administrator to, or member VTEChnique bede ?
Im not being hostile towards you at all either so I dont know where all this is coming from :confused:

FYI, i did the MC full open track yesterday at the airport which shits all over any MaxAuto day. So im not interested in a MaxAction day either.
Ive got to get my car ready for the Western Salon - this weekend, another magazine photoshoot with PPCC, and then the plex for a 1/4mile run after all that. So lets make people wait to see the overhyped showdown.

[VTEChnique]

in reference to you and VTEChnique, I was just wantint to state it plainly as possible, hoping that you'd understand the Club's position and not hold any further hotilities towards the club or any of it's members.

As far as I'm concerned the issue is closed and I have nothing further to say about it. Was in the past and will stay in the past.

As for the showdown of the century, I still want to see how my 'SiR-II' holds up against your 'Type R' on the same day etc. You will be informed of the details of the event and are welcome to come down and participate, but with no hostility - purely sporting.

sound good ?

[KB]

For the drag and track days, will there be handicapping involved. Aka I could race in my stock d16y8 against say a 'JDM b16a EG5' and still have a chance of winning.

Bede I am going to race you one day and I will win. :)

LOL ohhhh :|

[SINISTR]

FYI, i did the MC full open track yesterday at the airport which shits all over any MaxAuto day. So im not interested in a MaxAction day either.


hey dude :P

Not having a go - but from memory you've never done MaXAction... so stating that MC is better because its got an open track doesn't float the boat for me.

yes - it looks like fun, and I can't comment on it cos I haven't done it - thats like me saying MC is Crap because blah blah and Maxaction is better - but haven't raced at MC so i can't make that comment.

do u see my point?

M

[tanghy]

mikey check yr hotmail

[JASMA]

nicely done mate : )

[SINISTR]

nicely done mate : )

:confused:

[Civic Type R]

Mikey, i have seen quite a few MaxAction days and they dont exactly float my boat either. They are boring and use old run down carparks with truckloads of loose gravel. The MC skidpans and open circuit track is purposely built for the sole use of car racing and track training.

Bede I dont have any more predjudice towards you or the club your president of. We just had different views and we have both gone our own ways. Its a shame most people still think there is a lot of hatred between us and keep stirring up 'you' vs 'me' shit. Im glad ur over it all and so am I. I havent spoken to any members of your club since i left either.
Following that, I would like all negativity and predjudice towards me and the existing users of dohc-vtec forums to cease!
Im not one for hostility and i dont believe it has a place in the sport we both love and enjoy. I wish you all the best with your new engine and running of the car. DOHC VTEC takes a bit of time adjusting too from a SOHC VTEC. Maybe i can go thru some hints with you sometime after PAS?

[sivic]

yeah, that what i like to see :thumbsup:

[tanghy]

They are boring and use old run down carparks with truckloads of loose gravel.



?????

are you
1. mad?
2. blind?
3. on drugs?

[tanghy]

actually, why don't u race on the nov7 AM?

you have 1.5 wks to
sort yr tyres
fix whatever problem you have
get yr shit together

more than enough time!

there, the challenge is made

[SINISTR]

Mikey, i have seen quite a few MaxAction days and they dont exactly float my boat either. They are boring and use old run down carparks with truckloads of loose gravel. The MC skidpans and open circuit track is purposely built for the sole use of car racing and track training.


yo :)

MaxAction used to be organised @ the MC venue in Wanneroo before they were moved to Belmont, after MC took off the ground.
In my opinion both venues are of equal quality - old MC and the Belmont carpark, so if you're refering that that carpark as being old and run down I think you are very mistaken. Belmont carpark is probably the BEST carpark in Perth, with no islands, it has fine, very compacted surface in comparison to the MC old skidpan. I will have to say that MCs old and even new venue has more sand and loose bits than the whole of Belmont carpark put together simply because its already developed.

The New MC skidpans have sand all around it, as does the race track, and i really don't know where you have seen truckloads of gravel at the belmont carpark? they did have a pile of woodchips in one corner of the carpark once but that didn't affect the race surface at all.

I think you may need to revisit the MaxAction racing complex again bro, cos they sure aren't boring. Norbert has been working close to 2 yrs now and has utilised the whole area as a track, he pulled away from having two cars running at once to give the racers more free space, and i can guarantee ya - they are FUN! you should give it a go sometime... and then say they are boring... haha :)

The only thing that MC has going for it over MaxAction is the actual track which you can't use anyway unless u do a test day because MCs race days only utilise the skidpans anyway.

Peace! :thumbsup:

Mike :D

[Civic Type R]

So it appears the MaxAction track at Belmont has improved then Ok, i'll reserve further comment until i see it again. I was at the MC driver training day at the new skidpan at the airport and on the open track in the afternoon. In my 2 times out there i havent seen sand or debris on the tracks - unlike the previous skidpan at Wanneroo.

Tanghy, id apreciate it if you stop trying to promote further Bede vs me challenges. Both Bede an myself have our own agendas and Im not going to change mine to suit some one else. All this is doing is reigniting an old issue that has since been left alone. Please leave it at that.

Peace to all too :D

[SINISTR]

I don't think Andrew is promoting a challenge between You and Bede. He is simply asking you to Race, Steve and Andrew himself are racing on the 7th. They even asked me - but im making my mind up as currently have no suitable wheels to race on.

So that comment isn't directed towards You and Bede - its just for you to take to the track with us and have some fun.

Well - there is no change to the belmont carpark as such... its always been like that, but like i said - i've never seen gravel on that surface. I have seen dust and water, because one time it was Extra Slippery cos of the dust... but no gravel by the truckloads.

[Civic Type R]

I wont be attending that meet on the 7th. I am busy doing other things

cheers

:)

[SINISTR]

how about we organise the event after that? we all can go and race... i should have my 15s back hopefully and not have to worry about the 17s...

adam? andrew? Simon?

[Civic Type R]

I want to go down to the plex again for the 1/4 mile first. Im not that keen for another autokhana day as i just did one last weekend. How about that idea ?

[SINISTR]

I want to go down to the plex again for the 1/4 mile first. Im not that keen for another autokhana day as i just did one last weekend. How about that idea ?

WE can - but drags are basically all Motor.. more power better = faster time (technically). Motorkhanas are more driver and driver technique orientated... and power gives seller of an advantage.

Im not saying this weekend or next weekend - im saying maybe after Xmas?

[VTEChnique]

VTEChnique Auto-X day comming soon.. we need to teach some of these youngsters to drive haha

[Civic Type R]

WE can - but drags are basically all Motor.. more power better = faster time (technically). Motorkhanas are more driver and driver technique orientated... and power gives seller of an advantage.

dude we drive hondas.. what power ?

[SINISTR]

dude we drive hondas.. what power ?

what do u mean what power? for example the power your car makes compared to mine... whats the point of me dragging you if I know I will loose? i might as well tell you that now... you have 152HP at the wheels I have mmm.. 100 maybe?

thats why Motorkhanas will even things out...

Come on --- u chicken???? hehehe :P

it will be fun dude! :)

[Kazuya]

What he's saying is, you're in a Honda, they don't make power, what are you talking about ;).

[SINISTR]

What he's saying is, you're in a Honda, they don't make power, what are you talking about ;).

well ok... so the power is less than a Turbo car - but its still enought to prepell us into the possible 13s or 14s or 15s... all im saying is in a straight line im quiet happy to admit defeat - driving a non Vtec 1.6 compared to a Vtec 1.6. In situations of a drag race there is technically little room for error, Adam simply with his Vtec will be able to catch me and pass me, even if he fks up his launch or his gear changes. I've been there before with Rods VtiR - got an awesome launch on him - whole car but by the top of 2nd he was along side me... theres no Race that way.

Bring some curves into that... and then we have a Race :)

[Civic Type R]

Mikey, lighten up dude - LOL !
;)

[SINISTR]

Mikey, lighten up dude - LOL !
;)

hehe - dunt worry BRO... im cool :D

im just saying it would be fun to do a MC or MaxAction type Day for every Honda Driver in Perth...

so what about all the perth people here??? shall we do a race day?!?!?!

[tanghy]

if u can get 14-16 people we can have our own skidpan session

[SINISTR]

if u can get 14-16 people we can have our own skidpan session

i'll get organising!
Caroline has organised one for TUNED..

[Civic Type R]

dohc-vtec is gathering numbers too.

[SINISTR]

dohc-vtec is gathering numbers too.

when for? maybe we can do a joint day?....

[Civic Type R]

Yes there is a fair possibility DOHC-VTEC may join forces with VTEChnique or TUNED or whoever for such an event. DOHC-VTEC members want an MC day soon.

[VTEChnique]

:wave:

[VTEChnique]

Yes there is a fair possibility DOHC-VTEC may join forces with VTEChnique...

NEVER !!

hahhaaa

:wave:

[sivic]

now settle down Bede :D
i think he means to get enough numbers together to hold an event :thumbsup:

[VTEChnique]

hahhaaa

:wave:

[sivic]

after reading Adams thread re: his new work done. i am frothing for a drag day :)

[vteccoupe]

Yes there is a fair possibility DOHC-VTEC may join forces with VTEChnique or TUNED or whoever for such an event. DOHC-VTEC members want an MC day soon.

count me in :wave: