Something to stir the pot :)

[[AROUSN]]

Hey guys, im new to this forum. Some of you might previously know me from the silver honda integra, which cyber built.

Just wanted your views on something i have ALREADY done. Those who knew my old engine, it was running 11.8:1 compression on P73 00 pistons, toda valve springs, toda spec c camshafts, b16a head (ported and polished), type-r intake manifold, h22a throttle body, toda exhaust manifold, toda spec c camshafts, toda camgears, mugen headgasket, and so on.

Well the news is, i have sold the engine, and just put in a 6A12TT from a mitsubishi. For all those who do not know what that is, its a 2Litre V6, Twin turbo engine producing 307Nm or torque @ 6000rpm, and 180kw at the fly in standard. Obviously the original type-r gearbox was not kept in the car, and had to be replaced with a mitsubishi item. But yeah, its almost in. Its been fitted with a motec M8, front mount, and 3inch exhausts from turbo back.

So now its time for the criticism :) I had my fun with the n/a honda engine, who thinks i stuffed up and put a decent car out of balance?

And yes, there were great hours spent in how a realiable turbo setup on the honda engine would be possible, but for the money involved in rebuilding the block, i didnt see it worth it. When it comes down to it, a base turbo engine will, in my oppinon be better then a aftermarket turbo setup on a n/a engine.

CL, keep out of this:)

[CL455]

hahaha... mark i aint saying nothing cause u know that i wanted u to keep the n/a engine but i guess u not a true honda boy!! :D

vtec has the true power cause it roars, unlike turbos that are for pussy's are they sound like cats... :P hahaha j/j each to there own turbo's are good but n/a is awesome for the power they put out...

Will

[[AROUSN]]

I spent two years with the thing Will. IT NEVER EVER EVER GAVE ME PROBLEMS. It was the most reliable engine i had ever used. However, it did lack massive horsepower, and eventually i'd want some. And i wasnt ready to detonate a good sounding, healthy engine.

Some of you might then say, why da heck would you do something like that, and not just get rid of the car, and buy a mitsubishi. The answer is, i promised it one day i'll make it go real fast, and that day has come. I've always loved the integra. But eventually n/a wasnt quick enough, and its not pleasent lining up against a worked wrx/skyline/supra/evo/gsr/gto, etc.

[Redteg]

Hey Mark, you're finally here! John told me of the swap, thats just nuts. From what I've heard, your old engine pulled like crazy.

It's Manuel by the way.

[vtml]

Interesting setup.

[Javed]

mmmm, mitsu in a honda :S Dont really like the idea of it, but hey, at least you are recognising the class of the honda chassis ;)

[type one]

why stirring the pot?? sound slike fun... good job :)

[z3lda]

you have pictureS? please post i'd like too look at a hondbishi :D

[joneblaze]

Ditto. Sounds interesting.
Not a fan of the airbrushing though. :)

[[AROUSN]]

Ditto. Sounds interesting.
Not a fan of the airbrushing though. :)


Car isnt airbrushed anymore dude :) Car was just finished being resprayed by madhatter.

I'll have pics either tonight or in a few days! A few people have called the car a inbred/hondabishi. I think i might need new plates now

[Brescia]

Wheres your previous engine?
Thinking of selling it?

Edit: its been sold as you said in the first post, forget im here.

[pornstar]

Mark, as i said to ya on msn, gl bro, hope it works out well for ya :)

[[AROUSN]]

Thanks champ :D

Dude, if your interested in my engine, its at the Good performance centre, at Yenorra. The dude who bought it off me, was the one who built it, and hes either going to keep it, or sell it again, as he already has about 100 Honda DOHC VTEC Engines. And hes building his own b18c Turbo motor, so give him a yell.. Tell him Mark sent you with the silver integra, and your interested in the engine/parts.
I also gave them my type-r LSD jap spec gearbox.

[[AROUSN]]

Hey Mark, you're finally here! John told me of the swap, thats just nuts. From what I've heard, your old engine pulled like crazy.

It's Manuel by the way.

Thanks dude. Yeh it pulled good, and wasnt even upto full potential. We hadn't even dialed in the cams, or changed the cat. Finally i signed up hey :)

[5poon]

The V6 engine isnt alot heavier?

[McChook]

Good effort (just to make it FIT!!!)... but I would slipped in some CRV driveline and gone 4WD with it while I was at it..... as a FWD, it won't be fun when you see a corner

However, this sounds like something Chop Shop Charlie would do!!!

[LAGOOT]

sounds crazy but congrats on your imbred ride.
pics?

[D16A8]

Bloody hell...talk about a two-headed beast :o Pics!

[tinkerbell]

picsorban

[Rowie]

nice work on the conversion :D

upload your car to the vbgarage (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/vbgarage.php?do=list) by clicking here (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/vbgarage.php?do=editgarage)

[Brescia]

Dude, if your interested in my engine, its at the Good performance centre, at Yenorra. The dude who bought it off me, was the one who built it, and hes either going to keep it, or sell it again, as he already has about 100 Honda DOHC VTEC Engines. And hes building his own b18c Turbo motor, so give him a yell.. Tell him Mark sent you with the silver integra, and your interested in the engine/parts.

Thanks,
Legend :thumbsup:

[Weq]

Sounds like some innovation. gla to see it :) that engine should be nicely in a light honda shell, dunno about the weight distrabution though (im no expert). Look forward to see it running, and hereing about the buildup.

[[AROUSN]]

Didnt get a chance to drop by the shop today guys. I bought a digi cam though just to get updated pics.

It was interesting seeing them convert it to manual, and convert the block to vtec, when i firstly did the engine mods with the previous n/a setup. Yes, it was GSi, and automatic :)

Chook, thought of exactly the same thing, though a quote of $10,000 didnt sound too good. Mind you this was purely just to make it 4wd. The 6A12TT is out of a 4wd, so yeh it would've been nice. Like you said, i wont be liking cornering alot, especially with the engine being heavier. I think its roughly 70kg heavier. Chop Shop charlie? Thats him alright. The dude is a brain. I remember asking him about conversions, and all he said was i can make anything fit. It was either going to be the evo 7 engine, or this. However the evo 7 engine more labour was involved, as the gearbox was on the other side i think, and the rotation of the shafts, engine mounts etc.

It was suprisingly a decent price which he gave me. Maybe because its the second time around i spend a fair bit with him. He sourced me upgraded breaks, 5 lug conversion, and a stiffer steering, due to the amount of torque it'll produce, and want the wheels to move alot :) That he threw in for free :)

[tinkerbell]

70kg is abt twice more than a H22A adds, and in an integra, as long as the engine is mounted as far back as possible - might reduce handling issues?

[[AROUSN]]

Yeh, center of gravity, i get ya. I think if i take the point of COG to the front more, the car will be understeering a shit load more. Is this correct? Might have to fill the boot up with bricks. Just kiddin.

[A'PEXi]

would like to see pics asap please, sounds like a very interesting car :D

thanks.

[z3lda]

where's the pics man!!!! still waitin! >.<

[[AROUSN]]

I decided to upload the photos once the entire car is finished. I'll post the progress pics up at the same time. Its been almost 12months :(

[Civic Type R]

[AROUSN] dude is that you from HOT4s forum ?
i still need to speak to you mate regarding the gearbox..

[enoch]

how much did it cost u?
i have GSi Auto and was thinking of dropping a VTEC in and changing to manual..
wanna give me a quote?

[[AROUSN]]

Depends how far you want to go. If you want to convert ur block to vtec, port and polish the manifold, toda cams, up the compression with new pistons, do ur springs, shafts, gears, and a decent lsd-R gearbox, your looking at about $10,000-$15,000. If you just want a half cut vtir engine dropped in, in standard form with a vtir gearbox, should be close to the $6000 mark.

For my old engine, i paid around the $11,000 mark.

[[AROUSN]]

Engine is completed, i've got pics if someone will throw them up :)

[Sp3rMz]

OH man quick get ur act together. Everyongs been hangin for a long time to see this mistu honda hybrid.

[lerroy]

pics please .....................dyno sheet to :)

[FR33K]

ohh was that your car i saw at good performance ???
its it a purple colour ???
i looked at n thought this guy is crazy lol

[snowman95]

Pics!

[VTEChnique]

OMFG.. I nearly had a heart-attack when I read what you did to your teggy !!

why didnt you just go the whole hog and drop an all-alloy Lexus V8 in there..

I have to ask myself WHY WHY OHH GAWD WHY???? I'm sorry but IMO you have committed a crime against Nature..

you must have more dollars than sense !!

If you had to do some crazy conversion, why didnt you convert your teggy to RWD or as someone else said AWD.. at least then you'd actually make the car more fun to drive.. (arguably)

[Sp3rMz]

awd, 4wd tegs been done. Havnet heard of rear wheel drive though. Something interesting to look out for. Big bucks.

[wlee2]

HONDabishi!!!!

[[AROUSN]]

ohh was that your car i saw at good performance ???
its it a purple colour ???
i looked at n thought this guy is crazy lol
Yep, thats mine...
Has not been dyno'd as yet. Still waiting for the Konig's and paint to be finished.

[[AROUSN]]

OMFG.. I nearly had a heart-attack when I read what you did to your teggy !!

why didnt you just go the whole hog and drop an all-alloy Lexus V8 in there..

I have to ask myself WHY WHY OHH GAWD WHY???? I'm sorry but IMO you have committed a crime against Nature..

you must have more dollars than sense !!

If you had to do some crazy conversion, why didnt you convert your teggy to RWD or as someone else said AWD.. at least then you'd actually make the car more fun to drive.. (arguably)
And who said im not going AWD? :)

Well i think its quite smart. I've spent enough money on the old setup, which was a ALL MTR vtec engine, running toda pistons, valves, spec c shafts, adjustable gears, upgraded fuel pump, injectors, etc. If i wanted to turbo that setup, i'd have to strip the block, redo the head, and start again. If i wanted to sell the old engine, put in a stock VTIR motor, and turbo charge that, it would've cost more then what im doing now.

If only an Inline 6 fit i would've put a RB26DETT in there. Would work well with a light car and a AWD setup.

I dont see a AWD or a RWD being a crazy conversion. I see a v6tt and a awd being a crazy conversion.

[[AROUSN]]

Oh, and the old setup with AWD would be bloody pathetic. Not enough torque. Let alone power.

[Phantasm]

awd, 4wd tegs been done. Havnet heard of rear wheel drive though. Something interesting to look out for. Big bucks.
Yeah rwd has been done, there is one in the states and it actually competes in there wannabe d1 drift comp. Theres video of it somewhere, its odd to see it drifting.

[VTEChnique]

yeah calm down bro - YOU posted it up here !!

you NEVER said you were going AWD.. so as far as we know from your posts, you are swapping in a V6 FF motor..

Either way, stil la HUGE waste of time and money, you should have sold the GSi and bought a WRX, or a GSR or gone 'ard-core and got a Silvia or Skyline pftttt.

I still say WHY BOTHER !! WHAT do you do ?? where does your $$ come from ? you've obviously got way too much of it !!

[Sp3rMz]

There a red dc2r 4 whd that rallys. That was bloody strange too. Jimmy has it in one of his mags.

[Civic Type R]

well come to think of it. If its his car and his money, let him do what he wants :thumbsup:

[CL455]

leave the guy alone.... in modifying cars these days it's all about being different from the pack!! and i know mark has spent a ****load of hard earned money on a car which is now alot different from everyone else!!

sure he coulda went and sold it and brought a rex or a silvia or even a skyline (which i will remind u he already has... 34 gtr that is) :P he would be like everyone else... if u wanna be different it costs $$$ and his spent it!!

in marks defence different is wat counts these days and to even spend the money on something that could not work is good enough!!

keep the imbred honda updated bro!!

[kenshin]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[[AROUSN]]

I own two structural engineering firms. Legally, one is mine, the other is my fathers. One is a subcontracting firm for highrise developments, and large residential blocks, the other is a personal development company, things we design, draft and construct ourselves.

Well, i'd like to think of it as a hobby. Theres alot of things on here i havent mentioned, doesnt mean that they have not been done, or arent going to get done. LOL@ Skyline, wrx, and all the other taxi's you have mentioned. Cars you see modified the same way every single day. And yes i do own a r34 GTR V-spec.

I despise to swim the same way most people do on forums, so went up against the current, and did something completly different! I made a honda quick :)

EDIT : I have a B.E of Structural engineering, and currently studying my masters.

[lerroy]

so what do you do ? ie. what is your area of expertise ? I am trying to establish WHY THE FUK he's do this !! and want to know what he does for $$ cause all this work is way beyond the realms of the normal modifier !!

man this forum has turned into a fkn church grroup - you cant say ANYTHING !!!
You can give your opinion
you can vouch your concerns

i dont think you need to know how much money he is earning or has
And yes its not a normal mod to a car but i think its something different and i think change is good
Personally i think its a great idea cant wait to see the finished product big jump from the GSI motor :)

Good work

PS writing FUK doesnt make you cool

[[AROUSN]]

You can give your opinion
you can vouch your concerns

i dont think you need to know how much money he is earning or has
And yes its not a normal mod to a car but i think its something different and i think change is good
Personally i think its a great idea cant wait to see the finished product big jump from the GSI motor :)

Good work

PS writing FUK doesnt make you cool
Hehe thanks mate. I dont mind criticism, as long as its constructive. I dont see see why selling the GSi, and buying a wrx, or a gsr is something different, when thousands have done it. Maybe some criticism like your Centre of gravity is all thrown overboard, make sure you fix that or the conversion will go down the shits. Something along those lines. Anyhow, keep the criticism coming, i dont mind it.

But i do have the right to stick up for myself, and tell you why i THINK its not stupid. Wether you choose to understand or not, is completly upto you.

At least the word rice isnt mentioned yet :)

[CL455]

i was just explaining wat his main goal was..... fair enough he posted it up in here.. but yea... i've said enough..... constructive cristisum is always welcome.... :P

[CL455]

hahaha mark.. RICE BOI!! :D

[[AROUSN]]

hahaha mark.. RICE BOI!! :D
Haha lick my balls and call me harry.

[Sp3rMz]

']At least the word rice isnt mentioned yet :)Dam ricer :D You had that comming for commenting on it :p

[[AROUSN]]

Dam ricer :D You had that comming for commenting on it :p

Hahahaha. I sure did.

Every first mod i did to a car i've had was a engine mod. Even the teg, before i put the exhaust on, i did the conversion, then put the wheels. And ah u know the rest.

No doubt when i do drive the car i'll get the usual rice comments, from people not knowing the cars power output, but thats all in good fun. First outing at WSID should be good :)

[Civic Type R]

leave the guy alone.... in modifying cars these days it's all about being different from the pack!! and i know mark has spent a ****load of hard earned money on a car which is now alot different from everyone else!!

sure he coulda went and sold it and brought a rex or a silvia or even a skyline (which i will remind u he already has... 34 gtr that is) :P he would be like everyone else... if u wanna be different it costs $$$ and his spent it!!

in marks defence different is wat counts these days and to even spend the money on something that could not work is good enough!!

keep the imbred honda updated bro!!Thats exactly right :thumbsup:

[Sp3rMz]

Keep your personal attacks to yourself and keep the reply related to the topic.

-Tien

[VTEChnique]

no way your mod is far from rice - a fake mugen bodykit on an EK4 with civic type R decals is RICE.. and engine swap especially of this nature is the opposite of rice, but everyone is forgetting something here and missing my point.

HONDA MOTOR CO is primarilly and firstly and foremostly an engine manufacturer - they'll tell yo uthat from as high up as you want to go. Arguable Honda makes some of the best and most refined motors in the world, and you've gone and ripped the best part of an integra out, and replaced it with.. urghhh something mitsubishi !!!
if you HAD to go V6, why not Accord/oddessy V6 top at least keep it in the ffamily ?

any why did I suggest you got a skyline ? cause you obviously want more torque and boost, so why try and get a hybrid bastard-child inbred to behave, when you could just go and mod the hell out of your V-spec ??

and adam - cant you read ? shut the **** up !!

[Civic Type R]

Keep your personal attacks to yourself and keep the reply related to the topic.

-Tienexactly.
VTEChnique cant you understand E N G L I S H :cool:

[[AROUSN]]

no way your mod is far from rice - a fake mugen bodykit on an EK4 with civic type R decals is RICE.. and engine swap especially of this nature is the opposite of rice, but everyone is forgetting something here and missing my point.

HONDA MOTOR CO is primarilly and firstly and foremostly an engine manufacturer - they'll tell yo uthat from as high up as you want to go. Arguable Honda makes some of the best and most refined motors in the world, and you've gone and ripped the best part of an integra out, and replaced it with.. urghhh something mitsubishi !!!
if you HAD to go V6, why not Accord/oddessy V6 top at least keep it in the ffamily ?

any why did I suggest you got a skyline ? cause you obviously want more torque and boost, so why try and get a hybrid bastard-child inbred to behave, when you could just go and mod the hell out of your V-spec ??

and adam - cant you read ? shut the **** up !!Because the R34 GTR is for picking up clients to and from meetings/conferences. The integra is what i like to have fun with. As much as i'd want to spend the big dollars on the skyline, i cant now. I enjoy having a quick car, that i drive everyday to and from work, without any hassles of defects, etc. The integra is not that car.

I wanted forced induction in the integra. And i wasn't going to do it to a vtir engine. As much as i wanted to, it cost too much. More then i spent on the V6 twin turbo. And theres too many Honda vtir/itr turbo charged.
Yes, im going to compete in the integra, at shows, dragways, and for that reason i needed something different. But it will be driven as much as possible, whenever i have free time.

EDIT : Eventually, when i do sell the integra, the skyline will be the next car i modify, and a different work car will be bought.

[i_own_you]

my mate once built an 89 mitsubishi lancer hatch with a boosted civic engine runnin at 17psi from what i remember. and i thought it was a damn crazy convertion, but your one bites the cake :D good luck with it though. keep us posted :D

[Civic Type R]

The best thing i saw in person was at NOPI Nationals in September.
I recall the heats of the burnout comp when 3 entrants, 1 93 prelude, 1 90 CRX and i F150truck.
everyone was quiet and yo could hear the croud amuse themselves with a cry of laughter - hence no one was expecting much. Suddenly a huge ROARRRR came out from the middle bay. No it wasnt the truck, it wasnt the failing non smoking prelude, it was the CRX with a total sleeper 454 chevvy engine mounted above the rear axles. Smoke billowed everywhere and needless to say, he won the heat and got the 10,000 plus crowd on their feet cheering. I fukn loved it ! :D

[z3lda]

where's the pics?????????????????????//

[[AROUSN]]

Need a uploader!

[Sp3rMz]

Dude just host ur pic some where. There millions of it. As a Ozhonda member you can host it to. Just a limited number.

[Weq]

email em to weq@mooh.org

[VTEChnique]

adam you are soooo hardcore !!

[vti-2]

adam you are soooo hardcore !!Will you just grow up. Your constant bickering with Adam is childish, stupid and shows me what sort of person you are. Having met Adam in person I can say that he is a good guy that doesn't mean any harm to anyone. From my time on Ozhonda, I have constantly seen you attack Adam. Vary rarely, in fact never, have i seen Adam instigate a personal attack against you first. It is always you that starts fights with him or pits him up against other OH members as a bad guy.

FFS, are you a 12 year old kid that's bored shitless at home or are you what we like to call a grown up adult?

Stop provoking him, stop making personal attacks and GROW UP. Otherwise I am left with no choice but to ask you to refrain from posting on Ozhonda again unless it is adding value to the forum.

If you really like to sit there banging the **** out of your keyboard all day having a go at Adam, by all means take it to PM or email him.

But, KEEP IT OFF THE FORUMS, or else further action will be taken!


regards,
vti-2

[Civic Type R]

where's the pics?????????????????????//the pics are here:
http://www.dohc-vtec.com.au/pages/nopi_cars_page_1.htm

Im not sure if the burnout pics are there but if not i will upload then soon.

I will be uploading more action vids asap and some other videos of inside a DC2R GT racing car ripping around a track on full throttle. I have just got a new usb flash disk to copy the data to my home pc to upload it :)

[snowman95]

the pics are here:
http://www.dohc-vtec.com.au/pages/nopi_cars_page_1.htm

Im not sure if the burnout pics are there but if not i will upload then soon.

I will be uploading more action vids asap and some other videos of inside a DC2R GT racing car ripping around a track on full throttle. I have just got a new usb flash disk to copy the data to my home pc to upload it :)
what the ? we want pics of the Hondabishi not NOPI :thumbdwn:

[z3lda]

LOL.! i wasnt asking for pics of NOPI lol...i was asking for pics of hondbishiiil ahahah

[Civic Type R]

ok ive got the pic of the burnout comp. Sorry i couldnt get closer to that CRX but here is a pic of the comp. Its the best i could do - sorry. Dont flame me :(
http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/data/500/280nopi.jpg

[snowman95]

LOL.! i wasnt asking for pics of NOPI lol...i was asking for pics of hondbishiiil ahahah
:thumbsup:

[tekling]

lol..everyone has been asking for the hondabishi and u keep side tracking to nopi pics

[Sp3rMz]

Please keep within the topic. Where my god dam HONDABISHI.

-Tien

[Civic Type R]

lol..everyone has been asking for the hondabishi and u keep side tracking to nopi pics:o
Sorry i was getting confused. Its been a very busy morning here and im down with the flu atm. Im just trying to provide any pic to back up what i was saying with regards to the crx with chevvy engine.
:(

[[AROUSN]]

Someone add me to msn. Dj3scobar@hotmail.com . I'll send the pics through there.

[jackosimm]

nice burnout!!!!:thumbsup:

[snowman95]

Please keep within the topic. Where my god dam HONDABISHI.

-Tien

Goddamn teasers, can't wait to see the teg finished and sportin some figures :thumbsup: :thumbsup: cheers to Mark for dousing some of our curiosities!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/snowman95/hondabishiweb.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/snowman95/hondabishi-2web.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/snowman95/hondabishi-1web.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/snowman95/hondabishi-3web.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/snowman95/hondabishi-4web.jpg

[Civic Type R]

ummm wtf ?

do i see a 6G93 VR6 engine in there :eek:

[Sp3rMz]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Sp3rMz]

Far out, stop teasing us and supply us with more goodies.

[[AROUSN]]

Hehe, i got a few more photos, just have nothing to resize them. Been sending them to ken to fix it all up though! Nah not a 4G93, its a 6A12TT, a v6 twin turbo, from a mitsi galant vr4.

[Civic Type R]

horrry fark !

well ive come across an absolute ripper !
Its an Integra VTiR with wait for it .. a prelude engine mounted MR configuration and converted to RWD.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=981613

Quote :After purchasing a wrecked 97 Prelude VTEC with 90k miles off eBay and a theft recovery 94 GSR in Charlotte, the conversion process is now well on it's way. I spent most of the spring desiging and planning the conversion and began the fabrication process in July.

I basically chopped the front end off the Prelude at the firewall and stripped it down to the front horns shown here with the cross members and lower suspension arms mocked up

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/RaceCity_USA/PC160001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/RaceCity_USA/PC160001.jpg :thumbsup:

[snowman95]

horrry fark !

well ive come across an absolute ripper !
Its an Integra VTiR with wait for it .. a prelude engine mounted MR configuration and converted to RWD.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=981613


extensive write up can also be found here

http://www.team-integra.net/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=15&TopicID=106670&ReturnPage=&PagePosition=1&ThreadPage=1

..and now back on topic:thumbsup:

[[AROUSN]]

Thats insane!!

[Sp3rMz]

Hurry up with the Hondabishi Tegalant pictures. BTW whois the old man? Your mechanic? :p

[[AROUSN]]

I posted some pics, didnt they come up? Yep, thats my mechanic! :)

[[stealth]]

sup sup marky... it all damn done yet??

[HRV-80Y]

']I posted some pics, didnt they come up? Yep, thats my mechanic! :)
Goot ole charlie ! :D :thumbsup:

[pillow]

Dude! Many :thumbsup: to you! I'm impressed, love the colour too, should be f****n awesome when it's all done and running!

[[AROUSN]]

']sup sup marky... it all damn done yet??
Almost dude! just waiting on some rims from germany, and some brakes! Then off to the dyno, i'll be sure to post up the dynosheet once i get a hold of it!

[[AROUSN]]

Dude! Many :thumbsup: to you! I'm impressed, love the colour too, should be f****n awesome when it's all done and running!
Thanks alot dude, appreciated. Having a car off the road for 13months though is abit depressing..

[[stealth]]

im sure u got a pimp ride on the side... anyways Mark hehe

:p

[Redteg]

I saw it in the flesh today! Looks awesome, the attention to detail is unbelievable.

[[AROUSN]]

Appreciated fellas :) I see some of you have added me. Just let me know who you are... so there is no confusion.

[[stealth]]

pics up mark? :p

[TODA AU]

Hi AROUSN

Though it’s certainly not something I would ever do or recommend
I do wish you all the best with your um, interesting & unusual project.
From the pictures & information given,
You seem to have overcome the obvious bothers associated with the fitting the engine & driveline,
and have covered the various other issues associated with making it run in your car etc…

Since I read a few posts ago that you welcome constructive criticism etc.
I thought I’d take you up on that…

How do you propose to overcome your next two considerable hurdles?
In that I mean, how do you propose to be fast enough for your sake?
It’d be a shame if you go to all this trouble & the result is simply people saying,
“Hey, doesn’t that Integra sounds kind of weird”.
From the way you talk about it,
I get the impression you believe it’s going to be convincingly fast.
Could you place some sort of performance target in the mix,
so that the rest of us might gauge your idea of what is fast enough?

Ok, back to the two hurdles I mentioned that I see ahead of you:
1) IMO the 2L Mitsubishi 6A12TT V6 is in no way a remarkable engine.
With a factory 7000rpm red line & two smallish TD025-7G (I think) turbochargers,
(Even if they were TD025-8G items of the larger 2.5L engine.)
How do you propose to produce enough power to beat by more than a whisker, a fairly mildly turbocharged DC2R?

(My question is based on using the compressor flow from the two std turbochargers found on your engine you have as a guide; being generous, the maximum power I can see you’re likely to produce is somewhere around 330hp at the engine.)

2) If and when the power output of the STD engine with boost increase etc is not insufficient to achieve your goal.
What is your plan of attack regarding finding more power when to be honest, you couldn’t have picked an engine with less aftermarket support if you tried.

No offence intended with above statement / questions
Just grabbing the spoon & stirring the pot in the other direction so to speak.
Btw, I think you'll do great at "Autosalon"
They love this kind of thing.
Cheers

Adrian

[[AROUSN]]

Some good points mentioned!

Yes, the standard turbos are tiny. And aftermarket parts for this motor are rare as chicken balls. And yes, your right, the engine isnt too remarkable. To start off with, the rods in it are as weak as sticks. So if the standard turbos are upgraded (Which i plan to do quite soon), the rods will have to go. At the moment, i am trying to source out some forged pistons for the motor, but it is quite hard. I know toda, and arias dont make anything for the 6A12TT. As for the rods, mike, with the green lancer, and the 6A12TT, running the single gt35r, was able to souce some rods from the states for around the $1400 mark.

Regarding your comment on people saying the integra sounds weird, i dont see how that will bother me? I didnt build it for them afterall (if your referring to them saying it sounds weird, rather then saying its quite fast, that also wont bother me)

On the standard motor, from experience with people who own the Galant, the motor cannot be boosted in excess of 16psi. I have already purchased 2x TD05-16GBIG for the motor. These however will not be going on until i think the block has enough strength in holding boost with those turbos. It could be awhile until i find someone who does make parts for this car. If i dont find anyone, custom work will be required. Might dig deep into the pockets, but it doesnt bother me.

And yep, the 330HP at the engine is a very generous statement.

If you read the previous posts, you would have read that i did have the old N/A engine, packed with alot of toda goodies. Turbo charging that, because of its high compression would be a complete waste in time, as most things would have to go, and would just add to the costs of labour and parts. It was close to a $25,000 mark to produce a strong B18C7 motor running a Fairly large 600-750HP turbo. Other options included a SR20, out of the S15, a SR20, with quad throttles out of a GTIR, a K20A (correct me if im wrong), which is a honda legend turbo, brought out in 1988, a 6A12TT, or a 4G63 out of a evo 6 or 7. 4G63 was too expensive, k20a too old, SR20 GTIR motor was in the books. At the end it proved to be too expensive. SR20 out of a s15 was also going to be a yes. It had the obvious truck loads of aftermarket parts. But at the end of the day, a V6 got me instead of a 4cyl. Even though it might only be a 2litre.

What i want from this engine, is roughly 200-250kw at the wheels, and to be able to put that down on the track, and when im driving. Im not saying i will get it from the standard engine, but its what i want to acheive at the end of the day. A Low 12 will do me fine.

EDIT : Btw, i was the one who dropped in with a mate. He was asking for a surge tank, 700cc injectors, and a oil catch can from memory. It was for a SR20 in a vitara. I think from memory, we were also laughed at. I dont know what was amusing?

EDIT2 : No offence to the above edit... Just thought it was quite rude thats all.

[STOCK]

Hi AROUSN

Though it’s certainly not something I would ever do or recommend
I do wish you all the best with your um, interesting & unusual project.
From the pictures & information given,
You seem to have overcome the obvious bothers associated with the fitting the engine & driveline,
and have covered the various other issues associated with making it run in your car etc…

Since I read a few posts ago that you welcome constructive criticism etc.
I thought I’d take you up on that…

How do you propose to overcome your next two considerable hurdles?
In that I mean, how do you propose to be fast enough for your sake?
It’d be a shame if you go to all this trouble & the result is simply people saying,
“Hey, doesn’t that Integra sounds kind of weird”.
From the way you talk about it,
I get the impression you believe it’s going to be convincingly fast.
Could you place some sort of performance target in the mix,
so that the rest of us might gauge your idea of what is fast enough?

Ok, back to the two hurdles I mentioned that I see ahead of you:
1) IMO the 2L Mitsubishi 6A12TT V6 is in no way a remarkable engine.
With a factory 7000rpm red line & two smallish TD025-7G (I think) turbochargers,
(Even if they were TD025-8G items of the larger 2.5L engine.)
How do you propose to produce enough power to beat by more than a whisker, a fairly mildly turbocharged DC2R?

(My question is based on using the compressor flow from the two std turbochargers found on your engine you have as a guide; being generous, the maximum power I can see you’re likely to produce is somewhere around 330hp at the engine.)

2) If and when the power output of the STD engine with boost increase etc is not insufficient to achieve your goal.
What is your plan of attack regarding finding more power when to be honest, you couldn’t have picked an engine with less aftermarket support if you tried.

No offence intended with above statement / questions
Just grabbing the spoon & stirring the pot in the other direction so to speak.
Btw, I think you'll do great at "Autosalon"
They love this kind of thing.
Cheers

Adrian
NOw thats stirring the pot :D

Anyhow.. when your cars finished it'll definiteley be a Autosalon Warrior thatll get my vote :thumbsup: V6 twin turbo in a DC2? now thats somthing different!

[[AROUSN]]

Either way, its what i like to hear :) People criticising me. If i wanted respect i'd drive the 34 everyday. But im always up for abit of argumentation(word?), etc.

Edit : haha, thanks for the vote in the near future.

[[AROUSN]]

This is to adrian...

Out of curiosity, how much would Advan charge for a job like this? Without the AWD system, so still remaining fwd.

Simple bolt on's. Fmic, motec m48 pro, complete exhaust system, engine and gearbox(nimbus) fitted, custom engine mounts, custom crossmember for front engine mount. Including labour and gst. 5 Lug conversion, upgraded disc's and calipers to type-r jap spec brembo brakes, and whatever else will come with a conversion like this.

Or simply, you would not do it?

[olda]

you have pictureS? please post i'd like too look at a hondbishi :D
Great thread.......keep it up guys.................

However on "lighter" note..................
As for the name.......................................
Bishinda maybe??????????????
or Mitsushinda or Sushinda???????????/
V6 Shinda?????????
Shinda 2TV6! That's it! Got it!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[[AROUSN]]

I like the Shinda 2TV6!

[olda]

']I like the Shinda 2TV6!
Thanks buddy! No charge! :D

[CL455]

LOL.......... i still reackon that u should get the plates "INBRED" mark!! :D that's GOLD!

[TODA AU]

']Out of curiosity, how much would Advan charge for a job like this? Without the AWD system, so still remaining fwd......Or simply, you would not do it?

To be honest, it’s unlikely we’d take on a job like that.
Not because it’s too hard. More because we would consider it something we’d rather not be associated with.
(I know I speak for everyone there when I say that)
Hence my first statement, “it is not something I would do or recommend.”

That said, I won’t shy completely from your question.
Regarding total cost, realistically I can only offer an educated guess based of past experiences etc,
so I’d say the total bill would be in the order of $24~25k, drive in drive out.
That would be assuming the engineer was satisfied & the engine was in good working order.
(& not including an engine build but everything else you mentioned)
That would be giving you a neat,
reliable & road legal job where time is taken to do the job right rather than rush it through to stay under a certain budget.



Regarding pistons & rods,
Unless a manufacture actually makes a specific piston to suit this engine, you’re going to have to figure it out.
There’s a very good chance one of the manufacturers already produces a piston that will do the job.
Trouble is it isn’t marketed as such.
You’ll need to know max / min bore size useable, pin diameter, pin height etc.
If you don’t already have your rods.
Use a piston from another engine with a given pin size.
Do your sums & drawings & have Argo in Newcastle (North of Sydney) produce a custom set of rods for you.
That’ll solve both issues at a realistic cost level.
Further, if the pin height & pin diameter are different on the new piston it can be accommodated for in the new rod.
Failing that, & you have a set or rods & cannot find any pistons to do the job.
SPL TODA pistons can be produced for you to suit your application.
Though they’re not cheap, you certainly get your money’s worth.
Just ask Croydon Racing how well the TODA pistons stand up to abuse...
They'd know as that's what's in their world record breaking Drag S14 - DEVLSH (& current world record holder)
Cheers

Adrian

EDIT - about the name.
How about Mitegra?
You could almost make a plate out of it...
Autosalon love that too... ;)

[[AROUSN]]

You could almost make a plate out of it...
Autosalon love that too... ;)

Most autosalon cars that are competing for a high ranking usually arent driven. This one will be. I'll stick with my plate anyhow..

[[AROUSN]]

An update. A good set of pistons have been purchased.
Details of piston are below :) I guess aftermarket parts arent all that hard to find for this motor.

Bore size: 3.110
Net Dia 3.106
Cam: J
C.H: 1.198
Ring Grove roots 2.827 2.827 2.780
Ring Lands: 0.285 0.185 0.085
Pin Dia .748 Pin length 2.500
* Lox Type: DBL
Net dome CC's: SPL
Dome hight 0.000
Dish Depth: 0.069
Int V.P. Depth: 0.120
Exh V.P. Depth 0.070
Piston Weight: 280grms

Ended up using 6a12 FTO rods, done by pauler...

[[AROUSN]]

I know i promised some more pics, so here they are!

More to come sooner!http://img255.echo.cx/img255/4179/dscf11221ax.jpg

http://img255.echo.cx/img255/7403/dscf11201xb.jpg

[CL455]

LOL.... finally .... .u crazy mo fo ... cant wait to see this in the flesh!! :D

[[AROUSN]]

LOL.... finally .... .u crazy mo fo ... cant wait to see this in the flesh!! :D

Thanks love

[frozenchook]

Fukking awesome :D

[[AROUSN]]

Thanks Buddy :)

The bottom half of the engine bay is NOT BLACK. Its a Real dark Kandy purple. Was done to prevent scratches etc coming up real bad during its construction stages, as well as driving.

[panda[cRx]]

interesting to say the least. i dunno how i missed this thread before.
good luck and keep us updated

[[AROUSN]]

']interesting to say the least. i dunno how i missed this thread before.
good luck and keep us updated

Yeah it was hidden a few pages back for awhile :)

[Mugen boy]

go buy your self a bitsamisin galant, that motor dnt belong in a teg lol, hey i was goin to do that conversion, BUT TO A FTO NOT A HONDA , now all you need to do is bolt on some fto mivec heads to that motor ,IMO dnt like the concept

[[AROUSN]]

Haha. Fair enough, I picked the teg :D

EDIT - And out of curiosity, how much power is your turbo teg making?

[faijai]

juz curious, how much power r u planing on pushing with this setup? its very extreme~

also, see this car alot at GP, just curious if ya gonna get the car resprayed the same color as ur engine bay? or leave the bodywork which is currently on it now? AND MAN ITS BEEN DOWN AT GP FOR AGESS!! lol. whens it gonna be finished?

[[AROUSN]]

Not at GPC anymore. The cars paint is getting stripped again, though leaving the engine bay. Doing entire car the colour of the bonnet. No more graphics.

But i want to be pushing for starters 200kwatw and work from there. Eventually when im done with the car i want to be around the 300kwatw mark. Thats going to be daily driven also.

[Mugen boy]

']Haha. Fair enough, I picked the teg :D

EDIT - And out of curiosity, how much power is your turbo teg making?

200kw + (not including the nos)

[[AROUSN]]

200kw + (not including the nos)

atw or @fly?

[wlee2]

fark even if that was at the flywheel thats HUGE !!!..more than enough to decimate most cars.. i think =P

[GYPO2C]

AROUSN.... i give you plenty of credit mate. Being different and making a success of it, is twice as challenging as sitting there doing the same thing as everyone else....
cant wait to see the finished product and be sure to let us know when your gona be out at WSID so we can witness the time it gets....

[[AROUSN]]

AROUSN.... i give you plenty of credit mate. Being different and making a success of it, is twice as challenging as sitting there doing the same thing as everyone else....
cant wait to see the finished product and be sure to let us know when your gona be out at WSID so we can witness the time it gets....

Awesome dude, thanks :)

Yeah i know, most people could just turbo a teg. Actually, its not hard at all. And even if, goodluck to any 1.6lire-1.8litre beating james power output anyhow :)

But for a motor with a base like that, and simple bolt ons, doing 200+kw at the wheels i think is good :) Who knows, might push it beyond 300kw's. I know with the pair of GT25/30s and the pistons/rods in, i should be making close to that, if not more on 14-16psi. At the moment im just stuck on 10 with standard turbos, and internals. Americans are abit slow when sending engine parts over.

Nawz is c00l.

[Mugen boy]

']atw or @fly?

atw man , wnt be able to give an quater times till the engine gets put in the dc4 integra i just picked up two weekend ago, bit of an upgrade for a wee gsi, from daily drive to type r killer

[[AROUSN]]

atw man , wnt be able to give an quater times till the engine gets put in the dc4 integra i just picked up two weekend ago, bit of an upgrade for a wee gsi, from daily drive to type r killer

I think you'll be beating more then type-r's with 200kwatw

[Mugen boy]

uha i certainly will be

[franki]

oh man. u just devalued the crap out of ur car. no affence but u should have juts bought a mitsubishi. oh well wat ever pushes ur buttons. i imagine u wouldnt have posted if u wernt looking for critisicm. good luck wioth it anyway :honda:

[[AROUSN]]

Devalued the crap out of the car? I dont think the car had any decent value to begin with. Also the fact that money is of no concern to me.

Funny you said that though, as i was offered 35k for the car once completion. Better then the 18k i was offered with the old vtec motor.

I think thats a decent price seeing modified cars dont ever get their money back when being sold.

[Kawasaki]

i dont know why everyone is giving you such a hard time.... its a great car, better than seeing the usual turbo b18c or big b20vtec. Keep it up!

[[AROUSN]]

i dont know why everyone is giving you such a hard time.... its a great car, better than seeing the usual turbo b18c or big b20vtec. Keep it up!


Its not cool to be different. Baaaaaaaah (Sheep noise).

But yeah thanks dude :)

[Q_ball]

yeh harsh words indeed...
i say its an interesting move!!

35K - lol - go for it man!! :thumbs up:

[[AROUSN]]

yeh harsh words indeed...
i say its an interesting move!!

35K - lol - go for it man!! :thumbs up:

Hell no, i havent even enjoyed the car yet! You could offer me 50k once its done, and i'd say no, give me 6months :)

[[AROUSN]]

Dyno sheets will be up soon :)

So for anyone who gives 2cents, keep a eye out.

[frozenchook]

when?

6 months? :p

j/k mark - cant wait to see it :D

[[AROUSN]]

when?

6 months? :p

j/k mark - cant wait to see it :D

lol no, about 6 days :P

[SpOOn-FED]

']Hey guys, im new to this forum. Some of you might previously know me from the silver honda integra, which cyber built.

Just wanted your views on something i have ALREADY done. Those who knew my old engine, it was running 11.8:1 compression on P73 00 pistons, toda valve springs, toda spec c camshafts, b16a head (ported and polished), type-r intake manifold, h22a throttle body, toda exhaust manifold, toda spec c camshafts, toda camgears, mugen headgasket, and so on.

Well the news is, i have sold the engine, and just put in a 6A12TT from a mitsubishi. For all those who do not know what that is, its a 2Litre V6, Twin turbo engine producing 307Nm or torque @ 6000rpm, and 180kw at the fly in standard. Obviously the original type-r gearbox was not kept in the car, and had to be replaced with a mitsubishi item. But yeah, its almost in. Its been fitted with a motec M8, front mount, and 3inch exhausts from turbo back.

So now its time for the criticism :) I had my fun with the n/a honda engine, who thinks i stuffed up and put a decent car out of balance?

And yes, there were great hours spent in how a realiable turbo setup on the honda engine would be possible, but for the money involved in rebuilding the block, i didnt see it worth it. When it comes down to it, a base turbo engine will, in my oppinon be better then a aftermarket turbo setup on a n/a engine.

CL, keep out of this:)

YEAH FINALY! SOME ONE WHO PUT MY 2 FAVORITE MANUFACTURERS TOGETHER!!!!
WOOOOOHHHOOOOOOO!!!!!!
[AROUSN] YOU A SIK KIENT!!!!
HONDABISHI FOR EVERYONE!!!!!

[iceman_vti]

any recent news on this???? :) i love the concept man... good on ya for takin a great step :)

[[AROUSN]]

Talk about an old thread.

Brings back some memories haha

[[AROUSN]]

;319728']lol no, about 6 days :P

Edit : 4 yrs :o

[hotdc2]

damn, old thread!

so is it done?

[[AROUSN]]

damn, old thread!

so is it done?

Long story short, i slacked off. Never really finished the car, got lazy, sidetracked, and whatever else life can throw at u.

So now its back in a workshop getting a few things finished. Still need a whole heap of work done on it (not engine wise)...

Brings back memories

[rookie_gsi_act]

lol i just read this thread right from the start to the finish, biggest let down ever! lol gl finishing it though

[[AROUSN]]

lol i just read this thread right from the start to the finish, biggest let down ever! lol gl finishing it though

You just wasted a good 30minutes of your life dude :(

[hotdc2]

lol you owe us pics of your car at least.. or 30mins back? haha nah jks. I'm very interestd to see how it turned out

[[AROUSN]]

lol you owe us pics of your car at least.. or 30mins back? haha nah jks. I'm very interestd to see how it turned out

I'll get pics soon. Its still a mess.

Modifying cars is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad mmmkay

No one else read the thread and depress themselves. Thanks

[GSi_PSi]

did you end up converting to 4wd?

[[AROUSN]]

Nope still a fronty

[IEVAQ8]

this seems very interesting................

updated pics would be awsome..........

i hope u find some motivation to finish the build

[ZeForce]

So how much power did you end up making?

[[AROUSN]]

Still at workshop getting a few minor things done to the engine bay. Just purchased the Haltech e11v2, and upgraded the turbos to two TD05's.

Will post pics and figures up once its all done.

[hotdc2]

looks like we got the ball rolling again ay

haha nice!

[[AROUSN]]

Quick update.

Decided to go single turbo. Less fiddling around. Went with the Trust TD06H-20G.

[npcan2]

Im sorry to bring this up again, but have you finished man?

Cos if you have, that is some serious respect! :thumbsup:

[hondaEK4]

so, how long has the project gone for?

[androo]

I just read the whole thing... =(

[npcan2]

I just read the whole thing... =(

my feelings exactly... =(

[sae]

I was expecting a finished car with dyno's and quarter times, especially when this project took flight 5 years ago ahahaha. Still waiting for the results!