** LAMS / Learners Bike Discussion **

[Twincam16]

How the EFI work in the hyo bike?

I also noticed that you can get the 650gt under LAM, providing it was restricted.how can i tell if the bike had been derestricted?

Pricewise between 250 and 650 is very minimal so it might be more sensible to get the 650, any thought ?

Ta

EFI is just electronic fuel injection - they fixed up other issues when they released the EFI models in 2009...

Restricted wise, I read the pre-2009 model there is a carby slide with a hole drilled in it... im guessing the EFI has a replaced ecu, which would have a tag around it to prevent unauthorised tampering... you would have to go to a hyosung dealer to have them change this... call them up and ask what teh damage is before you buy one

Also, its a good bike but its heavy, and its tall. Its 210kg dry, if you are short you may have a problem

[dna4]

EFI is just electronic fuel injection - they fixed up other issues when they released the EFI models in 2009...

Restricted wise, I read the pre-2009 model there is a carby slide with a hole drilled in it... im guessing the EFI has a replaced ecu, which would have a tag around it to prevent unauthorised tampering... you would have to go to a hyosung dealer to have them change this... call them up and ask what teh damage is before you buy one

Also, its a good bike but its heavy, and its tall. Its 210kg dry, if you are short you may have a problem

the weight shouldnt be problem for me - being 6'5'' and 90kg should be able to handle the bike comfortably.

So probably wouldnt be good idea to get any pre-2009 Hyo since it might have problem.

Do you know what is the normal service price for the bike , let says Hyosung ?

thx u.

[chihuu]

i got a cbr 250rr

[dna4]

http://www.bikepoint.com.au/reviews/2008/road/suzuki/gs500/buy-used-suzuki-gs500-14237

Another consideration GS 500 suzuki, saw one selling for $3600 in gumtree.

[Twincam16]

Not sure about the GS500, $3500 sounds really cheap are you sure its the newer F model?



So probably wouldnt be good idea to get any pre-2009 Hyo since it might have problem.

Do you know what is the normal service price for the bike , let says Hyosung ?

Servicing should be cheaper on the EFI model, less time needed to tune

Check here for a comparison between the two bikes...
http://www.twowheels.com.au/forums2/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6128&sid=2e718e2ce8226b0c04495c8d0dd3f2a3


... this might answer your questions... maybe go for 07+ model

The hyo's quality is quite obvious when you look at one but the 250's had crank bearing issues, both had fuel filler vent issues, fuel filter failiures, rear disk failiures, and the 650's had valve issues caused by dodgy guides the 650's had a change of head design in march 2006 and have been recalled in europe, Your problem will be that as the heads were redesigned and not recalled hyo AU will not repair.

[dna4]

Thx for the reply it's very helpful.

It' pretty hard to find the right bike ,especially being the 1st timer.

Do you know what is the typical milage for the 1999 bike?

[gReY-oNe]

anyone selling bikes? pm me
me n my frends going for our learners in 2 weeks time
so we will buy bikes around that time

thanks =]

ps what u guys think about cbr250rr wit targa kit on it =D

[gReY-oNe]

it took me 2 days but i finally caught up on all 39 fkn pages of this thread lmao!!!!


im joining the bike world :D

wtf i only got 26 pages!!

[JohnO]

cbrr with a tyga kit looks awesome(repsol scheme) and thats about it still rides like any other rr =)

[gReY-oNe]

yeah i hate that 2 circle brake light lol

[Perry]

anyone selling bikes? pm me
me n my frends going for our learners in 2 weeks time
so we will buy bikes around that time

thanks =]

ps what u guys think about cbr250rr wit targa kit on it =D

Bao got a friend i selling ninja if ur interested which I was riding before.

[gReY-oNe]

ok can u giv me more detail :)
we need about 3 - 4 bikes all together :D

[Twincam16]

ps what u guys think about cbr250rr wit targa kit on it =D

A over priced bike with an over-priced fiberglass kit haha...

[gReY-oNe]

how bout rvf400?

[Perry]

how bout rvf400?

If i had the choice ill would of went to a RVF400 but for the price your paying them u could get a 600cc bike eaily.

[krogoth]

A over priced bike with an over-priced fiberglass kit haha...

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

never a truer statement

a targa kitted riced cbr250rr is the definition of a poser bike, lol

[gReY-oNe]

howbout yzf r125?

[Twincam16]

howbout yzf r125?

Haha the R125...

Imagine the R6 was a proffessional soccer player which plays for Man United...
... Its older brother, the R1, is a pro quarterback and has just won the Superbowl Playoffs...
... Meanwhile, back at home, younger brother R125 has been locked away in a basement with an xbox and fed rations of spam...

It fails in all aspects of life, except for failing... This goes for the CBR125 and the upcoming GSXR125 as well... I'd rather ride a Vespa...

[krogoth]

if you gona get anything under 250cc, dont even bother unless its a 2stroke

the NSR150 is prob good, i think thats a 2stroke, sounds like one, and soudns awesome, lol

the aprilia 125 sounds great too, also a 2 stroke, never ridden a 2 stroke, but ive heard they are meant to be quite fun

[gReY-oNe]

i guess rvf400 wit tyga kit is the way to go lol

[krogoth]

lol you and your tyga kits

the owners of bikes with tyga kits usually believe their bike is made of gold

and the prices reflect that....

ive seen tyga kitted 1988 grey cbr250 import with high kms going for 7k, ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL ****ING DREAMERS

[gReY-oNe]

lol true but tyga kit make the bike looks abit better =]

[Perry]

lol true but tyga kit make the bike looks abit better =]

Keep in mind most of the time when cbr's have tyga kits is because its been in a accident or been dropped to cover the scars.

[bennjamin]

Cbr 250s ( r and rrs ) are like eg civics - almost every single one has had an accident or the clock wound back. A learner/ p plater special basically. If you can fine one for what they are
worth (1.5-2k for a cbr250r or a touch more for a rr) then why not
for your l and p plate period. Pretty good daily to learn the dynamics of a bike. Just don't jump from a 250 to a 1000 as soon as you get fulls you will fall to " hero " syndrome and fall off while riding with just shorts and a t shirt on and look like a bleeding douche.


I am on my ps , got a cb400 ( same power/speed as a rvf400) and it's a better place to start to get used to a larger weighted and sized bike.

[Twincam16]

Just don't jump from a 250 to a 1000 as soon as you get fulls you will fall to " hero " syndrome and fall off while riding with just shorts and a t shirt on and look like a bleeding douche.

Haha more like a dead douche... or a douche that ends up on Youtube with a billion people laughing at you twisting the throttle off a stop start like a 250cc... :p

Any 400cc+ LAMS bike will get you through the whole L's/P's period without the need to change


Keep in mind most of the time when cbr's have tyga kits is because its been in a accident or been dropped to cover the scars.

Wise words... "Brackets? What brackets? This bike never had fairing brackets there"... Haha

[gReY-oNe]

Keep in mind most of the time when cbr's have tyga kits is because its been in a accident or been dropped to cover the scars.

even the rvf400???

[gReY-oNe]

so i assume better get rvf400 if its in good condition or rs125 even tho its slower but its a newer bike?

[krogoth]

rs125 is pretty hot

but ive never ridden a 2stroke bike

i reckon though they would be pretty fun, a bit more unpredictable than ur average 250 four stroke

and sound pretty fkn awesome

[Perry]

even the rvf400???

Every imports has a history it all depends on how the bike fell. I was planning on tyga kiting mine if i scratch it or did a little drop but I didnt.
But to answer your question if a RFV400 has a tyga kit on you should ask yourself why does he/she have the kit on in the first place looks or been dropped.

[Twincam16]

Its easy to see if you look for the correct things, on an RVF400, if there are no small dragger pieces under the foot pegs, it coule be a sign of a drop, same goes for the lower fairing fixing points, there are small L shaped brackets that hang off the chassis and hold the fairings more securely, most RVF400's would be missing these. Other tell-tale signs of previous accident history are aftermarket bar ends, aftermarket brake/clutch levers, footpegs, and obviously the aftermarket fairings.

If anybody tells you that they changed the RVF panels to Tyga panels only because it looked better, and they dont have the original panels to proove this, its obvious they have had an accident. Dont forget, original RVF panels cost 4x the price of Tyga equivalents new. Finding second hand ones, well good luck with that... I had to import RHS panels last year for my one which set me back around $500 just for the RHS mid/lower panel and these werent perfect.

End of the day, most of these bikes are 15+ years old, and finding one that hasnt been dropped is going to be very very rare. On the flipside, these bikes (CBR250/RVF400) were built a lot stronger than the plastic shit available nowdays (Ninja 250R), so if they are dropped, its not an instant write-off.

[gReY-oNe]

i think we decided to go for ninja 250r hahaha jst becuz its newer n less headache in long run

[Twincam16]

How long will you have the bike for? Dont get me wrong its a reliable bike and has years behind it... but I would kill myself if I had to ride one daily for the next three years...

[Perry]

Twincam16 has a good point there but as long your happy with it that's ok. What is your budget anyways?

[CONAN]

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

never a truer statement

a targa kitted riced cbr250rr is the definition of a poser bike, lol

targa or tyga??

[krogoth]

yeh might be called tyga,hhahhah

not sure

[gReY-oNe]

1 year =]

budget around 6k

[Perry]

1 year =]

budget around 6k

I year?? meaning on your P's for 1 year?

[bennjamin]

I year?? meaning on your P's for 1 year?

If you are over 25 , it's 1 year on p's then you are on fulls

[Perry]

If you are over 25 , it's 1 year on p's then you are on fulls

Cool.

[mrodyssey]

Haha the R125...

Imagine the R6 was a proffessional soccer player which plays for Man United...
... Its older brother, the R1, is a pro quarterback and has just won the Superbowl Playoffs...
... Meanwhile, back at home, younger brother R125 has been locked away in a basement with an xbox and fed rations of spam...

It fails in all aspects of life, except for failing... This goes for the CBR125 and the upcoming GSXR125 as well... I'd rather ride a Vespa...

Hahahaha.

The R125 fails simply because of it's astronomical price.

The CBR125 does not fail, as it has made many 18 year olds realise that they CAN afford to ride on the road. I've ridden one, yes they're as slow as a wet week, but they've brought through a new generation of riders!

I know many an 18 year old kid that have got Just Bikes magazine, seen the $10k pricetag on Shitmoto's CBR250RR's, and simply just given up. I put them on to CBR125's at around the $4k for demo models, and they realise that it's not so expensive!

Not sure about the GSXR125, though.

[Perry]

seen a few yamaha 125's around looks pretty good.

[bennjamin]

125 in a 4 stroke is actually dangerous on the road. literally no power band or power to keep up and out of the way of traffic.

[Twincam16]

Hahahaha.

The R125 fails simply because of it's astronomical price.

The CBR125 does not fail, as it has made many 18 year olds realise that they CAN afford to ride on the road. I've ridden one, yes they're as slow as a wet week, but they've brought through a new generation of riders!

I know many an 18 year old kid that have got Just Bikes magazine, seen the $10k pricetag on Shitmoto's CBR250RR's, and simply just given up. I put them on to CBR125's at around the $4k for demo models, and they realise that it's not so expensive!

Not sure about the GSXR125, though.

The RS125 is dearer, but you get what you pay for. It has a better build and carries years of R&D via 125-GP. Forget Sumoto, anyone that buys from them hasnt done their homework, I would rather pay $4000 for a CBR250 which is still a better bike than a CBR125... its like picturing a CT110 with a bodykit...


125 in a 4 stroke is actually dangerous on the road. literally no power band or power to keep up and out of the way of traffic.

And imagine doing that for 3 years!

[gReY-oNe]

seen a few yamaha 125's around looks pretty good.

yeah 2 of my freinds got it
its looks pretty cool :)

[HogCivic]

Anybody anything about Megelli 250R's? They look rather good besides that, has somebody driven one?

[Twincam16]

Taken from kawariders... http://www.kawariders.com.au/showthread.php?8848-Megelli-250r


Well i got a megelli 250 R nd it sht itself 58k's from the shop..am so Not happy.
the mech said it had a hole in the very center of the piston!! that was 2weeks ago..I'm still waiting for my bike

but after riding it, their a far better bikes for learners..CBR125 is smoother on gear change, handling etc.

From netrider... http://www.motorcycleridingschool.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=110643


Hi everyone, i thought i would post my experiences of the Megelli 250r. Firstly i work at a motorcycle dealership on the Sunshine Coast and we have recently gotten a few of these to see how they go.

As a few of you may know they are a 230cc Chinese bike and they live up to all the plastic expectations, they may look good in photos but so does the cbr125. It is a piece of P@@.

The bike almost looks good but it just has something wrong, the dash is very small! i found it very novel and unuseful. all the controls are hard to use and have to be visually checked to make sure you've done what you intended to do. Sitting on the bike doesnt improve things too much seat position is relatively low (i'm 5'8") and bars aren't very far away but quite low. Moving off is more off sound then feel as the clutch gives you nothing and is the same all the way through, once moving around at slow speeds manouvers are near on impossible due to something in the rake and front end, the bars just want to move side to side which with some familiarisation with the bike may be cured but it wasn't a nice start to the ride.

Once on the road the massive lack of power and accelleration was immediately obvious, there was no real power burst throughout the rev range and the bike struggled to rise through the revs, in any gear! The engine was screaming at me doing 60 in 3rd and when changing through the gears it was more a game of release the clutch and hope the gear had changed as there was absolutely no feel through the pedal. The position of the gear selector is terrible requiring my whole foot to raise off the footrest to select up. The rear brake is similarly high requiring your foot and ankle to be in a very awkward position to use the rear brake, this made covering the rear brake very hard. Performance of the brakes is limited and rather lacking, it's a good thing the bike will only get to about 115k/h. My first experience of the front brakes was a scary one, having been cut off but a Commodore i instictively got on the brakes and luckily found what seemed to be sufficient enough decelleration to avoid an accident however i was no where near impressed with the stopping power or feel of the brakes. At no point did i get to test the tyre performance as the road was slightly slippery and i had no intention of coming off.

Summing up, for $5999 on road and service intervals of every 3000kms after the first service at 500kms i would be looking elsewhere, used ninja 250r or similar. I ride a 09 Ninja 250r and have just clocked 10,000kms on it and it is a wonderful bike, working at a bike store i get to ride a few things and the ninja is by far the best 250 learner bike out there, much more options in terms of tyres and enough power to have a bit of fun not to mention looks the goods. The Megelli is the opposite!

Not looking too good...

[gReY-oNe]

yeah ninja 250r is good :) its not as fast as cbr250rr but come on its newer n looks better
the seat is abit higher than cbr250rr but its a nice bike to ride around
full insurance only 700 bucks too from qbe for 7.5k :)
on the other hand 1.1k for cbr250rr and they only giv agreed value of 4.7k cant really go higher than that

[JohnO]

yeah ninja 250r is good :) its not as fast as cbr250rr but come on its newer n looks better
the seat is abit higher than cbr250rr but its a nice bike to ride around
full insurance only 700 bucks too from qbe for 7.5k :)
on the other hand 1.1k for cbr250rr and they only giv agreed value of 4.7k cant really go higher than that


so did you end up buying a ninja?

[xenonkuraz]

My first bike was an 08 ninja 250r. after breaking in the engine i came to this conclusion: sux balls

I even installed a yoshimura cf on it and it sounded ghay.

quickly moved on to a 96 cbr250rr and never looked back.

I know the ninja is newer and fairly cheap, but come on it stinks for performance...

[SirG]

Hey all,

Wife and I recently got our 'Ls'. We are looking at getting bikes, second hand, by the end of the year. We had noticed that bikes are cheaper and more plentiful in Sydney, we are from Melb.
Would it be worth getting bikes in Sydney and then registering them here in Melb? Does anyone know how much it would cost to re-register a Sydney bike for Melbourne?

Cheers

[Iwishiwasa Type R]

My 2 Cents..

I have had my Aprilia RS125 for about 8 months now and I love this thing to bits. Everything has its plus' and minus' and I am sure this has been outlined for the RS many a time all over the net and possibly even here. So I am just going try my best to share my experience with you.

Before I do, the first thing you have to realise about owning a bike is that most often or not, owning one is an emotional choice. You would rarely buy a bike because it is your most practical transport option...

I dont think there is any other LAMS bike that feels like the RS when you slip the clutch juuuuust right and feel and hear the powerband come on sweetly. Every time you feel it reach the peak you punch up the gears without uncocking your wrist off the throttle...then you see the next corner explode in your vision and you blip the throttle and down shift whilst squeezing the brembos and you feel the front shocks and chasis respond perfectly right before you pitch and blow out of apex...

The only thing that I could imagine coming close would be to snort some of columbia's best off your frigit ex girlfriends D Cups then turning her around and hearing her moan "I am a slut" every time she orgasms whilst you slap her ass and pull her hair.....

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j168/Haduken_photos/12154_216870339531_709344531_4104060_5818077_n.jpg

[Twincam16]

The only thing that I could imagine coming close would be to snort some of columbia's best off your frigit ex girlfriends D Cups then turning her around and hearing her moan "I am a slut" every time she orgasms whilst you slap her ass and pull her hair.....

Ahahahahahaa... vivid, but yeah that would just about describe it

[krogoth]

ahhahaahhahahahaa nice

[Token99]

Wanting to ask a question about an RVF400, its a used bike, from a dealer, Peter stevens specifically, has done 22,000 k's , the asking price was $7990 and they said they can do it for $7,500, they really won't go any lower than that, any opinions on the deal good bad? its my first bike also, the money is no problem just want to know if its a good first bike and if its a good deal.

[seihoa]

Had a nsr-150sp, was my first bike. Shit thing about it was the kick start esp on cold mornings.

Its a pretty quick bike, Considering its only 150cc also it seems to have vtech like feature which kicks in about 8 k rpm and the noise and the revs climb faster.

Now i got a CBR125R and its pretty slow compared to the NSR.
But its cheap to run and is new.

[bennjamin]

it should theoretically be making twice the power of other 150cc 4 stroke counterparts - so its more like a 300cc. 2 strokes do have a buzz of power up really high and are abit of fun making alot of noise !

[gReY-oNe]

so did you end up buying a ninja?

yup =D

[>Ice<]

Hey guys looking at this bike atm, only problem at the moment is the low kms. Is there anyway of finding out the real kms by racv check or something?

http://www.bikesales.com.au/all-bikes/private/details.aspx?Cr=6&R=3225854&trecs=90&__Ns=p_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1||p_PriceSort_De cimal|1&__sid=127B78E8DF04&__Nne=15&__Qpb=true&SearchAction=N&seot=1&__N=1432%201430%201429%201428%201480%204294967259% 2082%204294967064&silo=1400

[Twincam16]

Hey guys looking at this bike atm, only problem at the moment is the low kms. Is there anyway of finding out the real kms by racv check or something?

http://www.bikesales.com.au/all-bikes/private/details.aspx?Cr=6&R=3225854&trecs=90&__Ns=p_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1||p_PriceSort_De cimal|1&__sid=127B78E8DF04&__Nne=15&__Qpb=true&SearchAction=N&seot=1&__N=1432%201430%201429%201428%201480%204294967259% 2082%204294967064&silo=1400

Moved to LAMS thread

It may be possible to find out the original registered km's when the bike first landed in Australia, but anything before this day is pretty much impossible. Nobody would have records of a 20 year old bike in Japan, and its likely that with this bike (like most grey imports) the km's have been wound back... but who cares...

To be honest, dont worry about km's at all with any Learner bike, they shouldnt be a part of your buying decision - check the shocks, brakes, tyres, throttle, engine etc. Read through this thread and some of the others about buying a bike and you'll find heaps of info.

[mrodyssey]

Hey guys looking at this bike atm, only problem at the moment is the low kms. Is there anyway of finding out the real kms by racv check or something?

http://www.bikesales.com.au/all-bikes/private/details.aspx?Cr=6&R=3225854&trecs=90&__Ns=p_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1||p_PriceSort_De cimal|1&__sid=127B78E8DF04&__Nne=15&__Qpb=true&SearchAction=N&seot=1&__N=1432%201430%201429%201428%201480%204294967259% 2082%204294967064&silo=1400

CBR250's pretty much all have low km's. Hell I've had 4 over the last few years of wheeling and dealings. Once they hit 40,000km they're due for a freshen up, top end and bottom. Sure, 20,000rpm sounds incredible, but when you're sitting on the freeway at 110kmh at 13000rpm for an hour, shit wears out real quick. Not to mention the nutjobs that seem to own and not maintain these things.
There are much better bikes out there than a CBR250RR. RVF400'S are lams approved, and a f**king weapon. Awesome bikes. NSR150SP is my LAMS bike. One hell of a good bike, but the kickstarting can get annoying. VTR250's are absolutely bombproof and surprisingly good power.

If you're intent on a CBR250RR like all of the population, check it out properly. Listen carefully for rattly bearings, as $5k is a lot of money to be buying a bike for then doing an engine re-build.

[na-118]

lol they all have low kms cause they've been rolled over 10 times

[gReY-oNe]

get rvf400 if you going to stay on ur L n P for a while.. but if you only staying on ur P for 1 year then get ninja 250 or cbr250rr
but all comes to you what bike you want n stuffs

[JohnO]

so i went out to buy my bike after getting my l's almost 7months ago, im use to driving and shifting at 2.5-3k but on the bike what revs are you meant to shift? ive been shifting at 3-3.5, bikes got 4800km

[bennjamin]

Bikes are smaller engines so need more
Revs to pull along. Rev the bike more but keep it under 75% of it's rev range for the first 10,000ks or so. Just don't lug it around in 3rd or 4th gear at low revs this is bad.

[Blackep3]

Have you considered an Aprilia Rs 125? I had one as a learners bike and they are great fun. They are relatively cheap to buy and unlike all grey imports you can track the actual kilometres the bike has travelled. I know 2 strokes are an acquired taste, but if you want a bike that handles like most modern supersports (600s) and hasnt had the clock wound back 10 times, you should look into it. Just my 2 cents

[JohnO]

Thanks Ben i'll try to keep the revs up higher, but I havent ridden much at all since i bought the ninja, think i shouldve gotten something in the 400-600 category, im abit too big for a 250.

[bennjamin]

Thanks Ben i'll try to keep the revs up higher, but I havent ridden much at all since i bought the ninja, think i shouldve gotten something in the 400-600 category, im abit too big for a 250.

You gotta rev a 250 to make it move !
I ride a cb400 and it's more poke than a 250, but still shines when you rev it out from 9-14000 rpm

[mugeneration]

Thinking of getting my bike Ls. Any tips/pointers? I'm thinking of going for a Kawasaki Ninja 250 at around the $5-6k mark if I get in to it. But what you guys recommend to start with in case I give it up?

[Twincam16]

Thinking of getting my bike Ls. Any tips/pointers? I'm thinking of going for a Kawasaki Ninja 250 at around the $5-6k mark if I get in to it. But what you guys recommend to start with in case I give it up?

Im assuming you are already 24+, in that case a ninja 250 would be ideal to learn on, although dropping one may result in a write off... the jump from that to a 600cc+ will be one hell of a jump also... cos its a complete nugget

If you were planning on learning for a while, get something a bit more robust... Older Honda 250-400's are always fun and built tough

[Rivenscyr]

Hi guys, long time reader, first time poster.

My mate will has his license suspended in 2 weeks. Can he obtain a motorcycle license?
Im thinking no...

I cant seem to find the document stating this stuff on the RTA website either, if anyone knows where it is that would be helpful

thanks

[Twincam16]

They are combined in NSW...

If it was a disqualified/cancelled/lost license id say a def yes

If it was suspended - well common sense would say yes... im guessing yes because the license is combined, so if you are caught by police driving with a suspended license, regardless of what vehicle you are in control of, your balls would end up missing

[SinglR]

cbr250RR Would be the best bike to get IMO. Lots of parts out there, easy to learn how to maintain and fix your bike, relatively cheap to buy won't cost an arm and a leg to fix if you drop it, and has a bit of grunt in it, also easy to ride, and re-sale is good. Real simple entry level bike.

NB. Must buy new tyres regardless of what learners bike you buy, grip makes all the difference.

[vti_boi]

Thoughts on the cb400 looking to buy my first bike tossing up between cb400. Or cb250f hornet. any thoughts will help

[tjboggy]

Hi guys, just read through pretty much this entire post and wanted to say my two cents..

I started on a lil MC19 cbr250r, loved it. a bike that makes you feel like you're going fast but realistically you're not, and sounds pretty good too. from that I have ridden a few of my mates bikes. Yammie FZ6, defs not a L bike but fun none the less, a Suzzie GS500 and a Kwakka ninja 250. Now in my opinion, the GS was a sack of crap. heavy and way too underpowered for the type of motor that it had in it. be careful of the carby model of the GS too. the ninja is a good bike if you way in at less than 70 ringing wet. great through corners and loves to be pushed. I have only ridden the carby of that model too and have heard that the EFI is much smoother and better power in the lower RPM's.

For my opinion of a great Learner bike you seriously can't look past the CBR250's whether it be the MC19, MC22 or onwards. the older model engines 4 stroke 4 piston screamers are ridiculously hard to kill. thats why they are worth a whole heap. the new CBR250 doesn't have the same heart as the older CBR's but none the less is a good bike to start on. For those of you that want a bike that you can keep after getting open licences or for those that are bigger boned brethrens a CB400 is the way to go. My missus is 5'7" on a good day and doesnt way much more than 65kg has just bought one of these bikes. Fantastic ride, solid, powerful and calm. That is until you hit 7k rpm. Then it becomes a freakin missile!! she absolutely loves it and doesnt regret spending $7,500 on it at all.

but as my dad always use to tell me, the bike is only as good as the idiot throttling it.

for those that want to learn to ride better and such, find a nice quite road for starters. even try and find a new part of a suburb. biggest thing i would recommend is practice emergency braking. ive had a few crashes and not being able to stop in time was one of them. the other is to practice cornering, SLOWLY. thats the other reason ive put a bike down, over-confidence and stupidity, thought i could do a corner faster than i actually could. i agree with people that say take your time. I am one of those hot head idiots, but I've been lucky to come out without any scars. So out of experience, be safe. If you really do want to do something stupid either take it to a track, or go somewhere where you're going to be the only one getting hurt.

[simply.shredded]

Anyone riden a ktm 200 duke ?

Thoughts?

Looks pretty good

[Hayday91]

Anyone riden a ktm 200 duke ?

Thoughts?

Looks pretty good

I think the looks will be all it has going for it.

[simply.shredded]

I think the looks will be all it has going for it.

yeahhh true

bought a second hand ninja 250 2012 model with 2000kms pretty cheap

fkn love it for a first bike

no point buying a new bike for the first one

[EKVTIR-T]

Kawasaki is issuing a recall for certain 2012 Ninja 250R and Ninja 650 sportbikes as well as the Versys 650 due to a risk of the passenger footpegs falling off.

[simply.shredded]

Kawasaki is issuing a recall for certain 2012 Ninja 250R and Ninja 650 sportbikes as well as the Versys 650 due to a risk of the passenger footpegs falling off.

Good to know

Lucky wont be carrying any passengers

[nigs]

Duke 200 was balls. Had ok torque and motard made it comfortable but the gearing was so short and only 5 speed. Highway would be a pain.

[YeahByuddy]

hyosung pretty good one