Brake Pads for DC2. SSS vs Yellow Stuff

[Sp00ny]

Hi,

I have been considering a few differant combinations of brake bads...suited for mostly conservative but occaisional spirited/mountain driving. I am after some opinions, experiences and personal preferences.

I currently have EBC Green Stuff on DBA 4000 Rotors brake performance from the pair is solid, however the Green Stuff cant handle high temperatures well, even from average spirited driving (not travelling over 80km/h, or revving high) when consistantly braking, fade is immediantly noticed. I think its due to my brake fluid/master cylinder atm as well but the pads still feel fairly average...

Long Story Short...

I have Narrowed it down to these Combinations....

Note: New Master Cylinder and Motul DOT 4 regardless of combination

Front / Rear
EBC Green Stuff / EBC Green Stuff (Try the same combo again)
EBC Yellow Stuff / EBC Green Stuff
Endless SSS / Endless SSS
Endless SSS / EBC Green Stuff

I am heading towards the Endless SSS, for no particular reason to be honest just the Name and Reputation.

I heard that the yellow pads are still very suitable for street, however i question how good the cold "Bite" will be...and how much they will chew my DBA rotors.

Thanks in Advance

Regards,
Andrew

[VTECMACHINE]

I would go with the Endless SSS's. Just because I have them, and I love them as a street pad. However... comparing them to CC-X, I would have to say they are no "performance" pad. I use the SSS, as a daily pad. Low dust, and good cold bite.

On another note, I have used Motul brake fluid, 2 times, and I have boiled it easy every time. I think Motul is very overrated. Over the past 2 and a half years I have tried out a few 'high end' brake fluids. Castrol, Motul and Neo. I use NEO racing fluid now... and it's been great at the track, and on the street.

[Sp00ny]

I would go with the Endless SSS's. Just because I have them, and I love them as a street pad. However... comparing them to CC-X, I would have to say they are no "performance" pad. I use the SSS, as a daily pad. Low dust, and good cold bite.

On another note, I have used Motul brake fluid, 2 times, and I have boiled it easy every time. I think Motul is very overrated. Over the past 2 and a half years I have tried out a few 'high end' brake fluids. Castrol, Motul and Neo. I use NEO racing fluid now... and it's been great at the track, and on the street.

Ah, thats what I was afraid of...to be honest for just under $400 I would expect more and from what ive read alot of people say the SSS's are very average. I got the set of Green Stuff for $200, lol. I did get trade prices though. Very Similar ratings...

I have always thought Motul Engine Oils were overrated but I had the impression their Brake Fluids where good. I guess the majority of their product range is overrated.

At the moment I'm slightly heading towards Yellow Stuff up front and Green in the rear. You have steered me closer to Endless though...

Thanks for your reply.

[VTECMACHINE]

I love how progressive, predictable and quiet Endless pads are though. This is what I find makes them an amazing street and track pad. Honestly the SSS will hold up for street/winding roads. If you want a lower dust pad... look at the SS-M's. I'm using these at the rear, and no dust what so ever!

I have used project Mu. Good, but noisey as shit. Not a fan. Quite abrasive, so they eat your rotors.

Winmax pads are also a great pad for the street. They are very dusty though, but very quiet, progessive, and there was no sign of fading on the track when using the stock ITR brake system.

Dixcel are meant to be great. Ben from Touge Tune is stocking these now. A mates accord was using the street pads at the OH trackday. Said they were the best pads he has used. Dixcel is used in Super Taiku. They just bought out AP racing, so effectively Dixcel pads are AP pads. And freaking cheap too.

Anyways... just thought I should give you more comparison.

[_FeRiO_]

Im currently using the SSS on my DC2 and are great for daily driving. Ive also used the SSS on track and they held up fine, no brake fade at all. However, they do throw out a bit of brake dust.

[vincikwan]

yup...SSS are great on roads and occasional track days. but they produce heaps of dust. My white rims are always grey/black.

[VTECMACHINE]

SSS's are dusty...

Really?!?! Maybe I just don't think so, because i'm comparing them to CC-X?

The SSS's aren't that dusty, come on! If you guys worried about dust... get the SS-M's I haven't washed my rims in 3 months, and they still look newly washed.

[_FeRiO_]

haha, yeah, my wheels are white aswell so maybe thats why.

[Sp00ny]

I heard that the SSS's omit average dust...

Anyone have any feedback on EBC Yellow Stuff....i am really considering a Yellow/Green combo as I can import them for $300 a set delivered compared to $600 over here...seems to be good value. I can't get the SSS's cheap anywhere. $340 Delivered is Best. and the retail of the SSS's are lower?

Any feedback on the Yellow Stuff pads would be great.

Cheers,
Andrew

[VTECMACHINE]

Just an FYI.. I can get you a set of Dixcel Type M pads front and rear, for $430.
Let me know. I can gaurentee you won't be dissappointed.

[CRXer]

If u want low dust pads go the red stuff,as the yellow stuff are very dusty.

i had a red/green combo down at wakey the other day & they held in strong all day,no fade whatsoever on standard disks.

the reds do feel like a OEM pad when cold,but come up to temp fairly quick & got good pad life & very little dust.

[aaronng]

How's the rotor wear with EBC Red?

[CRXer]

How's the rotor wear with EBC Red?

not sure aaronng,only had them on for about 3k km.

but if u consider that rotors are fairly cheap to replace,it is not of great concern.

[l3vnd1]

Am about to purchase DBA4000

Also will be looking at a set of pads.

Ben from Touge Tune recommended Dixcel Type M Brake pads.

[we tec]

ive just replaced all my pads and my front rotors, went with TRW Lucas pads F&R, also got a set of DBA slotted front rotors, (note: i dont track my car) so i cant say how well they hold up on track, but from street use there great, minimal dust, no noise, and pull up nice and progressively with little fade.... here's a link to read up on for consideration,
http://soarer.ace.net.au/lucas_trw.html
note: this guy has a soarer which is a heavier car, he has also ran DS2500 ferodo's so its a nice comparison between the 2.

[Sp00ny]

I was considering the RED, but they're ceramic and would probebly prefer if i didnt have pads that chewed through my rotors...Even though i can get cost price on DBA's. I might consider a RED/Green Combo...if i get them over here though they will probebly cost a fortune.

Having the DBA4000's i would hope that they resist wear better than standard disks...

CRXer: How much did you pay for the red/green combo?

Regards,
Andrew

[CRXer]

just took a good look at my front rotors & the reds are chewing the rotors big time after the track day,so hope the dbas are a bit tougher than stock.But $150 odd a rotor each is fairly expendible i guess.

red/green combo was about $300 from memory.

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On another note, I have used Motul brake fluid, 2 times, and I have boiled it easy every time. I think Motul is very overrated. Over the past 2 and a half years I have tried out a few 'high end' brake fluids. Castrol, Motul and Neo. I use NEO racing fluid now... and it's been great at the track, and on the street.

Are you going to tell us which products you used or do we have to guess? Motul make more than one brake fluid. How can you justify to a reader that "Motul" is overrated?

The solution to dusty brake pads is black rims :)

Regarding rotors being chewed by ceramic/carbon pads: Consider that a front set of DBA rotors costs $100 (stock non-r integra discs). Decent pads (capable of chewing up your rotor) sourced in Australia will set you back nearly double that!

My setup: MOTUL RBF600 brake fluid. RDA blank rotors. Hawk HP+ front pads, Hawk HPS rear pads. All up under $300 importing all but the rotors.

[l3vnd1]

There are many different products out there on the market for a reason.

Different cars/parts & different driving styles.

Needless to say; just because a product didnt work for you doesnt mean that it wont work for somebody else. Maybe your demands are higher, maybe you expect more, maybe your not willing to pay as much and see certain products overpriced.

Either way, by voicing your experience and telling others about it will help other users source a product most suited to their needs.

My (pretty much stock) DC2R is a daily drive with the occasional track day.

After a track day I realised what suffered the most was the brakes -

Since then I have put Motuls RBF600 and noticed a HUGE improvement in pedal feel and a big decrease in brake fade. However there is evident shuddering now once the brakes do heat up.

As a result I am waiting on DBA 4000 rotors and Dixcel Type M pads to solve the problem and further improve braking as an alternative to machining the discs.

Will let you guys know how it goes!

[VTECMACHINE]

Are you going to tell us which products you used or do we have to guess? Motul make more than one brake fluid. How can you justify to a reader that "Motul" is overrated?

Sorry... RBF600


Since then I have put Motuls RBF600 and noticed a HUGE improvement in pedal feel and a big decrease in brake fade. However there is evident shuddering now once the brakes do heat up.

As a result I am waiting on DBA 4000 rotors and Dixcel Type M pads to solve the problem and further improve braking as an alternative to machining the discs.

Will let you guys know how it goes!

You go to Ben, right. Ask him about Neo Racing. It's awesome. Give it a go, and you'll never look back to Motul.

[aaronng]

Since then I have put Motuls RBF600 and noticed a HUGE improvement in pedal feel and a big decrease in brake fade. However there is evident shuddering now once the brakes do heat up.

Most probably your old brake fluid was overheated before or was in need of a change or bleed anyway. You shouldn't find a big improvement in pedal feel from using a different brand of DOT 4/5.1 fluid

[l3vnd1]

Yeah Im not too sure what was in there before I did a fluid flush;

But after I boiled it at the track day I knew a change was needed.

Ben did recommend NEO to me but I thought I'd try the RBF600 as many have tried it and liked it.