B16A headers??

[monda2]

Hey All

I am new to this Honda game, be gentle!

I have spent hours over the last week or so reading different threads regarding headers for a B16A1 and still can find the answer, maybe i need more searching time??

As there are quite a few options:

Toda
X-Force
5zigen
Tri-Y
Hytech

Can you guys narrow it down to a couple of worth while headers (even if not listed above) for a stock B16A1, this isnt so much for power more weight saving!

Looking at spending around the $500 mark (which Iam sure will cancel out some of the above) give or take a bit

Also do you guys have them ceramic coated for longevity? I was planning on wraping them with the heatwrap??

Cheers

[90LAN]

tri y copies or 5 zigen for that price

[monda2]

Great thanks, where are the best outlets to buy either from? I would prefer to check them for clearance when on the engine which rules out Ebay!

[DEMON83]

If ur buying stuff desined specificly for ur engine/car you dont need to worry about clerance issues, see Edward @ MaxHondaPower in the Traders bit of OzHonda. Good guy knows his stuff! PM or email him and he will do u a deal...

[monda2]

Hey Thanks, I do have clearance issues as the B16A is fitting into a mini!! should have mentioned that before!

Will get in touch with him, cheers

[DEMON83]

Mini! NICE :)

[mr180sx]

Keep us in touch with how the clearance issues go cause i have a friend undergoing the same project

thanks


Hey Thanks, I do have clearance issues as the B16A is fitting into a mini!! should have mentioned that before!

Will get in touch with him, cheers

[monda2]

Hey again

Just wondering if there are one or more shops/garages in Melbourne which sell a range of headers - different types/brands, 4-2-1, 4-1, etc

I am thinking the best method is to take the car up there and see what fits!

Cheers

[dsp26]

are your clearance issue engine bay related or car height related... if its the latter then forget any 4-1 design.

[Limbo]

see if you can pick up a set of secondhand JDM 4-1s they are in the price range.

Ceramic coating is good but expensive, about $300+ for a set of headers.

Wrapping costs about $50-100.

For NA i've never cracked any headers and i've wrapped pretty much all of mine, including my turbo dump pipe.

[monda2]

Thanks Guys

Clearance issues are probably both, so Iam guessing - 4-2-1 is the way to go!

I basically wanted to see if - X-force, JDM, Tri -Y would fit, or anything else which is decent for that price thats why I would prefer to take the car somewhere!

Iam assuming not many shops supply more than a couple of brands??

[Limbo]

yeah

I can tell you i tried.

Mugen copies 4-1
b16 4-1s

& some stainless no name 4-2-1.

And then the JDM 4-1. I certainly loved those headers performance, clearance & OEm look

[aowwllan]

As there are quite a few options:

Toda
X-Force
5zigen
Tri-Y aka hytech replica
Hytech

[monda2]

Thanks, yes I was thinking of them, but is there anywhere I can try them for fitment in Melbourne?

Cheers

[dsp26]

see if you can pick up a set of secondhand JDM 4-1s they are in the price range.

Ceramic coating is good but expensive, about $300+ for a set of headers.

Wrapping costs about $50-100.

For NA i've never cracked any headers and i've wrapped pretty much all of mine, including my turbo dump pipe.

this is certainly good advice.. the actual JDM oem honda 4-1s are the only exception, are great and actually have clearance i don't know why.. probably slightly shorter primaries.

+vote for wrapping too
i can actually hold my primaries at engine temp to warm my hands in winter lol

[monda2]

I thought 4-1 would not give me much ground clearance, as LIMBO suggested, car is quite low as it is?

I definatly will be wrapping them!

[dsp26]

I thought 4-1 would not give me much ground clearance, as LIMBO suggested, car is quite low as it is?

I definatly will be wrapping them!

like i said and as Limbo suggested... the oem jdm honda 4-1s are the only exception.. for some reason they sit normally like 4-2-1s... my guess is because they have shorter primaries before the bend

[Limbo]

the way the 4-1s are configured make them not sit too low.
Other 4-1s have two on top of each other. The JDM ones space them wider apart.

My car is about 2" from the ground and the JDM 4-1s sit about 1cm lower than the sump. With the bottom heat shield you will stop hitting the bottom and protect the headers. These are the only headers that have this feature.

[dsp26]

^^^yep.. my no brand 4-1s sit about 1.5in lower than the sump which prevents me from lowering the car at all...

[monda2]

Oh ok, sorry guys miss read your replies, thanks thats good to know, will try and find some to try, cheers

[omgzilla]

see if you can pick up a set of secondhand JDM 4-1s they are in the price range.

Are talking about JDM OEM DC2R headers?

[dsp26]

Are talking about JDM OEM DC2R headers?

yeah he is

[omgzilla]

Thanks dsp26.

I might have to look into these...

[Limbo]

top heat shield + bottom shield are a plus.
Top keeps the heat down and give it an OEM look (even most mechanics can't tell it didn't come with the car!). The bottom heat shield protects the headers from hitting anything just in case you get that odd speed hump that is super tall.

Yep talking about the Jap spec OEM ITR header

Retails for about $750 new and about $500 second hand. + $75 for each heat shield.

One of the best fitting bang for buck header i've had

[monda2]

So which is better value for money:

JDM or X force, I realise there is a difference in cost but are the JDM's worth the extra and why?

Cheers

[fatboyz39]

The JDM 4-1's were design for b18c motors.

By installing JDM 4-1's on a b16a it will infact hang 7mm lower then having the 4-1's on b18c.

Hate to say this but toda headers are one of the best headers for b16a. Mugen headers are also up there also.

X-force headers are a good header for its price.

[Limbo]

yep the JDM seems to be tuned, the xforce are a copy of the jdm, but the design is copied the wrong way round making one of the lengths alot shorter

[monda2]

Thanks All

I guess I should steer away from JDM;s then as they will be to low even if it is only 7mm!

Does that mean the X Force headers will be to low aswell if they are a copy?
Cheers

[vinnY]

problem with a lot of b series headers is that they're made to fit b16 AND b18
try to find some headers which which fit only the b16, should be the best fit you can find

i remember fatboyz39 having a set of mugen ones he was selling a while ago made for the b16 only i.e. won't fit b18 because of clearance

[monda2]

Ok, sorry still learning all this!
so are there any others besides Mugens specifically designed for B16A?

[Limbo]

Thanks All

I guess I should steer away from JDM;s then as they will be to low even if it is only 7mm!

Does that mean the X Force headers will be to low aswell if they are a copy?
Cheers

7mm is less than a 1cm i don't see where 7mm low is gonna kill you

[monda2]

That is true LIMBO but minis are low enough as it is and this will basically be a registered racecar
I havnt cancelled it out completely!

[dsp26]

^surely it cant result in being the lowest point on your car... i just looked at a ruler and 7mm is negligible, easily made up for with only slightly bigger profile tyres.

going from say 195/50/15 to 195/55/15 more than makes up for this plus depending on tyre pressures.

i'm guessing you mean the old school minis yeah? so like 13 or 14in wheels? just go up a profile

[monda2]

Yeah the exhaust is the lowest part of the car! yes old school mini!

I have 13inch rims with 50 profile tyres (there is only one tyre in the size iam after - 175/50/13) been that small, there isnt much to choose from! oh well, there are a couple of headers out there I have found to test, will see!!
Cheers

[Limbo]

well if its a custom one, $$$ shouldn't be a prob. Go toda headers, perfect fit and great performance all round

[delsol9000rpms]

wats the ground clearance like on toda headers on a b16a?

[Limbo]

pretty much stock height of the stock B16 headers. PM Toda_AU to confirm

[EG30]

still got factory headers on my B16a, got Toda headers on our dc2r and they are unreal.

cant justify the same expense for a B16a and was going to get Xforce for $400 but I'm planning to get a set of 5Zigen from Super GT in hk soon, HK$2500 for the headers and HK$1050 for freight via EMS air.

[squish85]

still got factory headers on my B16a, got Toda headers on our dc2r and they are unreal.

cant justify the same expense for a B16a and was going to get Xforce for $400 but I'm planning to get a set of 5Zigen from Super GT in hk soon, HK$2500 for the headers and HK$1050 for freight via EMS air.

Where did u see the 5zigen headers for sale dude ? Can't find it in the SuperGT website... :(

Please Help

[EG30]

the supergt.com.hk website is painfull to use to say the least, the headers is buried somewhere in there. Best to ring them up and go from there.

[squish85]

the supergt.com.hk website is painfull to use to say the least, the headers is buried somewhere in there. Best to ring them up and go from there.


Agreed.. but thanks anyway :thumbsup:

[squish85]

the supergt.com.hk website is painfull to use to say the least, the headers is buried somewhere in there. Best to ring them up and go from there.


Agreed.. but thanks anyway :thumbsup: