DA9 Turbo

[A-man]

As you all know ive been gathering bits and pieces to turbo charge my da9....


ive had a heap of dramas but im gettin there ive got some pics to show u all... however my battery is flat on the camera so cant upload the very latest this is just where i was up to test fitting

atm as it sits i need to do....

1. mount radiator
2. run intercooler pipes
3. bleed oil system to turbo
4. get tuned
5. fit injectors
6. get exhaust done
7. mount intercooler
8. mount bodykit to fit intercooler
9. get a filter



and i think thats it....





so heres the pics

my gauges to keep out of reach of coppers
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/Gauges.jpg
remotely mounted oil filter for tee off to turbo feed
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/oilfilter.jpg
before i started
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/before.jpg
manifold test fit
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/test-fit-manifold.jpg
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/manifold.jpg



i stuffed up when purchasing the kit i shouldve gotten a different manifold this one doesnt fit the factory condenser in and therefore im using a civic one and radiator... ill have more pics tmrw


the manifold had to be cut down and flange twisted and angled to fit turbo on the way i wanted... the block was also cut for it aswell

[DLO01]

Lookin good man.

So what was the go with the manifold. You bought an AC compatible manifold, yet it still did not fit. You sure you made a mistake and not the company? What make manifold is it? Looks ebay.

Also, no need to bleed the oil feed to turbo. It will bleed itself when you first turn it over. :thumbsup: If you wanna make sure oil is feeding the turbo. Momentarily take the drain hose off the turbo.

[A-man]

yeh thats what im doing

and no its not a ac compliant manifold thats y i stuffed up

the manifold is ebay yes

[A-man]

this is atm
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/turbo-on.jpg
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/turbo2.jpg
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/turbo3.jpg

[IEVAQ8]

nice........keep it up

[Samm928]

looks sex dude! keep it up

[DLO01]

and no its not a ac compliant manifold thats y i stuffed up

the manifold is ebay yes

Ok so now you have cut and put the turbo flange on straight so the turbo is now paralel with the engine. Was it on an angle previously?

[A-man]

nah nah other way round it was straight ish and now we angled it away from the engine and also to the front of the engine bay


if u look at the block it has been cut down... u will see why... also the manifold i have is designed to have the turbo face the other way and ive done it backwards for the reason of keepin a/c and p/s

[DLO01]

Yep, your exactly right. :thumbsup:

Good luck with all the parts and keep us all up with proceedings. :wave:

[mooshie]

where did you get the cooler piping from?

[xntrik]

ebay manifold? is that gonna last?

[A-man]

yes just coz its ebay dont mean its shit... its got alot of weight hanging off it u just wana make sure u bolt the turbo to the block


pipes came with the turbo kit...

im using custom for some of it though...

i started it today bleed the turbo sounds good and not that loud im happy

[A-man]

more pics

http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/enginebay3.jpg
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/enginebay2.jpg
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/enginebay1.jpg

[kikxz]

pwoah man thats gonna be mental looks pretty good aswell good work cant wait to see it on the road!!!! how much is it all costing you so far?

[A-man]

ive done all the work myself except exhaust and a little bit of the cooler piping... down in the frnt bumper.... um

700 for the kit
200 for the intercooler
1400 for system and cooler pipes finished
100 for rad
450 for injectors rc 440cc
700 for bodykit
370 for headlights and taillights
100 for gauges and pod to hold
70 for oil filter relocation kit
25 for pod
370 new pads and slotted rotors for frnt
900 for rims and tyres
...

thats all i can think of for a grand total of $5385

excluding labour..... its prob not worth doin to the car but i love it
and its fun....


i need to do

a/c lines and condenser still
thermos
engine management
when my injectors come fit them
fit body kit
do paint work
paint rocker cover
tune
dyno and tune
mount rad
and tidy engine bay
remove cover on under bonnet

[lo0se3r]

OMG good on ya Aman, i was planning to turbo my da as well, but the rise in fuel prices have put that on a halt, Im getting inspiration from your thread to get out and go ahead with it. Its good to see some one going out and doing something like this to our cars in aust :thumbsup:

keep it up mate

[A-man]

thanks mate my advice to u is get a kit with a UGR manifold its not as big as the ram horn but it keeps factory condenser and some cases rad aswell... only thing i would change from my setup

[lo0se3r]

did you pick up the whole set up from ebayusa? i was looking into a few, you said 700 bucks for the kit, i would think thats delivered, how much was it before delivery? i saw a few kits for like 350 bucks! but thats before shipping.

[DLO01]

Looking good A-man. :thumbsup:

So are you all done, ready for tune nearly. What ecu you gonna run?

[A-man]

i got the WHOLE kit for 750 DELIVERED....


im gonna try tune it myself and im gonna use crome i think....

if u wana chat im on msn aaron@iconiancds.com

[ACTI0NMAN-1]

To tune with crome you would be wanting a wideband o2 and crome licence to open up the easy data logging/tuning functions.

[A-man]

whats wrong with the software u can dl???? and dw bought the o2 wideband

[kikxz]

any updates A-Man?

[A-man]

yeh there is... but the car really messy atm... thats y no pics

ive got the condensor in just needs mounting...

lines r gettin made atm.

frnt bumper fitted to surports and was on car

fitted catch can
fitted rc injectors 440
gettin rocker cover powdercoated atm


um just waiting for a bit of cash to get the ecu now...

but means i can clean things up and make it look better plus i gotta finish mounting things to...


aw yeh plus motorvation up soon so i gotta get the celica lookin good to.... thats the pic in the avatar

[lo0se3r]

woo finally an update, what colour you going with the rocker cover?

man can't wait to see this finished :thumbsup:

[kraiye]

ive done all the work myself except exhaust and a little bit of the cooler piping... down in the frnt bumper.... um

...

25 for pod

...



I hope this means you bought a 2nd hand turbo ready pod???
and not just a cheapie autobarn/supercheap job.
I'd e looking at upgrading. Turbo filters are reinforced to cope with the extra suction.
A cheap one may collapse and get sucked into the turbo. I'm thinking u don't want that!

[Euro08Jaz]

is that a 1976 celica in your avatar? any mods?

[A-man]

no not a 76 there ugly its a ra28 its a 77 wayyyy better... the true mustang shape...

its just been restored no bog etc. very cool car hey i love it...

im goin signal red... on the rocker cover like the msd dizzy cap colour... um when its all done ill take some more pics of the cover and the a/c and that u know...

i got a 3a racing my mate runs it on his xr6T and that and its fine so i dnt care...

[A-man]

RC engineering 440ccs r now in
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/injectors.jpg


had the rocker cover powder coated then i sanded the honda logo back, then painted a few bits
fitted catch can
and skunk2 rad cap
not pictured bov that i have to fix up coz its leaking
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/newcolours.jpg
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/newcolours2.jpg

got a new condenser and had custom hoses made to fit the smaller avalible space... need to mount it also got a 12 inch fan wedged in there.. needs wiring up then the frnt goes back together
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/condeneser.jpg

[fat_85_civic]

I hope this means you bought a 2nd hand turbo ready pod???
and not just a cheapie autobarn/supercheap job.
I'd e looking at upgrading. Turbo filters are reinforced to cope with the extra suction.
A cheap one may collapse and get sucked into the turbo. I'm thinking u don't want that!

i have never ever seen a pod which has said "Turbo Ready". the cheap ones might not flow as well but wont get sucked in.

[LO_N_SXC]

Turbo setup is looking really good!

Loving the Celica too, I have a 75 Datsun 180B that I'm building up and eventually going SR20DET, building it as a Track/street car, gotta love the Old School cars lol

anyways back to work for me........

[lo0se3r]

rocker cover looking good, alot less red then i thought it would be, unless its the photos

hows the ecu tuning going?

[[ricer]]

ur catch can is pointless the way you hooked it up

[A-man]

its no difference to having it goin to a little filter.. whats wrong with it???if u block the other end itll presurise.. if u put a filter on it (which i havent got) itll do the same

the cover looks alot more brighter but its slightly less when u see it in person coz i used a flash to i think

[[ricer]]

see the hose coming off ur intake manifold going to ur block
its on the front slightly to the right side...

ur suppose to hook it up there

[A-man]

whats the breather for then?

i was using it for that...

[[ricer]]

breather is to let air into the motor...

[A-man]

so what should i do for a breather??? just filter it is this legal? do u block the intake pipe off? or feed that into the can aswell??

[[ricer]]

u have to connect the breather to the pipe between ur pod filter and turbo... that way its still vacuum not pressured...

[A-man]

yeh but i dont wana do that because its more work... i just wanted to put it somewhere out of the way thats y i put a can in

[Euro08Jaz]

no not a 76 there ugly its a ra28 its a 77 wayyyy better... the true mustang shape...

its just been restored no bog etc. very cool car hey i love it...

im goin signal red... on the rocker cover like the msd dizzy cap colour... um when its all done ill take some more pics of the cover and the a/c and that u know...

i got a 3a racing my mate runs it on his xr6T and that and its fine so i dnt care...

mmm 77 :thumbsup: nice, my dream car to buy and restore with conversion, much more interesting than the datsuns.

[LO_N_SXC]

mmm 77 :thumbsup: nice, my dream car to buy and restore with conversion, much more interesting than the datsuns.

Why would they be more interesting?

dont forget that the 1600s and 180Bs all were IRS rear, celica's were not!

anyways with the whole breather thing, you need a can, one has to come off the top of your cam cover and there must be a crank case vent which also has to go to the can, this way you avoid having oily hot air into the inlet and it going into the Turbo.

Why it's not done in the first place? is because emissions etc etc wank factor crap, but yeah route them to a can and you should be alright :thumbsup:

[A-man]

so both of them into the can? wont that still pressurize the crankcase? because they go into one then theres no where else for them to go

[IEVAQ8]

u have to let the crank case breath, either plumb them both into the can and get a baby filter plumbed into the can, or just run a baby filter on the rocker cover

[LO_N_SXC]

u have to let the crank case breath, either plumb them both into the can and get a baby filter plumbed into the can, or just run a baby filter on the rocker cover

Yep correnct!

I assumed you had a can with a breather, but if you dont you can either get a 3/4 fitting put on to it and get a baby filter to suit or if you know of a place that can weld alluminium get them to weld on a tube on the top, wont cost you anything more that $10 or so.

of if you cbf just pick one up from ebay or local autobarn, I've seen some pretty nice ones go for $60! dont forget to ask them for a can with a breather and just hook up both hoses up to it and it will be fine.

Also when you think about it there ain't much pressurem it's just vapours that come off your valve train and crank case, so if anything there will be more oil than air goign into the can, but it's not like it will get up to 1/2 within a couple of weeks, might have to empty it once in a blue moon..

[IEVAQ8]

i modified my cusco can to suit my application, i got a fitting that u use for air compressor lines, and drilled the catch can, made sure there was no shaving is it, and threaded the hole i drillered, fitted my air compressor fitting to it and bout a baby filter to suit............works a treat...............

[string]

The bigger the tubes, the less oil you'll blow into the can. Make sure you disconnect the intake manifold from the black breather box and do something about it so you don't pressurize the crankcase. With boost the crankcase will be under much higher pressure so make sure you do something about it to avoid blowing seals and ending up chasing oil leaks all day.

It's not done on stock cars because a little bit of oily air in the intake won't hurt it, and burning it keeps it out of the atmosphere. A boosted stock motor on the other hand will be susceptible to knock so any impurities in the charge is a bad thing, especially when it can be easily avoided.

[A-man]

y dnt i just take off the top plug in the can and fit a nipple to it so i can put the filter on the top.. because the can i had to get new fittings for it because the sight glass was broken so i could just take the top sight hole plug out and put a filter off that

[stocky]

In my setup, I ran the pcv valve from the black box behind the engine to a catch can and then the other end of the catch can to the turbo inlet, this way I had a vacuum source to pull air out.

I then put a smaller filter on the valve cover for air in.

This way, I stopped the pressurisation and allowed circulation of air in the crankcase, much similar to a stock setup.

[A-man]

what black box? the charcoal canister???

[stocky]

no, the stock oil/air separator behind the block underneath the intake manifold

[LO_N_SXC]

In my setup, I ran the pcv valve from the black box behind the engine to a catch can and then the other end of the catch can to the turbo inlet, this way I had a vacuum source to pull air out.

I then put a smaller filter on the valve cover for air in.

This way, I stopped the pressurisation and allowed circulation of air in the crankcase, much similar to a stock setup.

Air does not go in the valve cover it; it comes out......

Yeah there is this black box on the back of the engine just below the manifold, that's where the hose should come off and go into the can, have a look at www.g2ic.com and I think there was some images on www.jgenginedynamics.com/JGE%20main%20page.html it has some B series turbo conversions and I think there was one where you can see the hoses for the catch can.

[LO_N_SXC]

Here: http://beesandgoats.com/boostfaq/PCV_turbo_1fit.jpg

[stocky]

Here: http://beesandgoats.com/boostfaq/PCV_turbo_1fit.jpg


Air does not go in the valve cover it; it comes out......

That looks exactly like the one I have, amazing, I thought I came up with it lol

Anyhow, when boosted, the pre turbo is the vacuum source, it is pulling air out of the engine. Hence, there needs to be an inlet for the air, this is the valve cover.

In the stock configuration, the vacuum source is in the intake plenum after the throttle body. The intake is the valve cover to the intake pipe.

I hope that makes sense, if not, the pic says it all. You can't have air pulled out at the pcv and out at the valve cover, then the crankcase would be negatively pressurised.

[A-man]

yeh but u want bigger oil breather and pcv lines then the box to eliminate pressurizing the crank...

and then if u have oil fumes goin bak into the intake it will provoke detonation... thats bad

[stocky]

yeh but u want bigger oil breather and pcv lines then the box to eliminate pressurizing the crank...

and then if u have oil fumes goin bak into the intake it will provoke detonation... thats bad

I dont understand what you mean ... what purpose would a bigger breather do? Do you mean the breather as in filter on the valve cover or breather box (stock oil/air separator)?

Any ventilation of the crankcase will prevent positive pressure to prevent damage to the rings. You can just vent to the atmoshphere but its better if you use a vacuum as it will draw the air out. Where else would you have a vacuum source in a turbo Honda on boost, I can only think of the pre-turbo intake or an angled cut in the exhaust system.

I do get what you mean about the oil/air mix coming out of the engine though. But the catch can is there to prevent this from going into the intake.

[A-man]

as in breather pipes from the rocker cover and pcv. this means that u wont need a vacumn because the pipes will be big enough to compensate for no vacumn...


does that clarify?

[stocky]

as in breather pipes from the rocker cover and pcv. this means that u wont need a vacumn because the pipes will be big enough to compensate for no vacumn...


does that clarify?

So you're thinking of just venting to atmosphere. If that's the case just use a vented catch can, connect everything upto that and be done with it.

[A-man]

yeh that was what i was gonna do....

[A-man]

http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/finished.JPG
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/finished2.JPG
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/finished3.JPG

more pics i know its been a while

[A-man]

http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/recaro.jpg
http://aaron.iconiancds.com/pictures/A-man/teg/recaro2.jpg

[A-man]

heres a blowby vid

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=YpcUd7qEsUA

[tekung89]

5k turbo build? abit pricey but good work nevertheless. props to you for putting alot of effort and busted knuckles. wat kind of power is it making?

[A-man]

bit pricey wtf.. thats cheap...

i duno dyno it next week

its not as simple as getting a ebay kit and bolting it on... and it doesnt happen in a weekend...

[string]

Agree with you there A-man. The only person who'll call it pricey at 5k is someone who hasn't tried it themselves - all the little costs really do add up. Good to hear it's going well.

[A-man]

thanks man... its true alot of people think aw u buy a kit and itll go on no probs. i got so many free parts aswell. but u have to look at engine management, how to tune the management, injectors, manifold selection, intercoolers, condenser if u keep a/c. time, gauges. etc

i thought it would b a cheap mod or as expensive as a vtec swap but.... im glad i did it and it did work out slightly more expensive but im still happy...

got an overheating issue with the blackwidow front bar on but with out the bumper no probs... so gotta fix that

[tekung89]

Agree with you there A-man. The only person who'll call it pricey at 5k is someone who hasn't tried it themselves - all the little costs really do add up. Good to hear it's going well.

lol seriously..

[string]

lol seriously..
Do you often win debates with that flawless argument?

[tekung89]

Do you often win debates with that flawless argument?

there is no win or lose, nor is there an argument. its only a personal statement. and usually they mean shiet all, its just someone else's input. but this?
"The only person who'll call it pricey at 5k is someone who hasn't tried it themselves"
lol it made me lol, not attacking you but i couldnt resist posting something.

on topic. i've seen cheaper setups, not dissing yours for wat its worth, jus another 2cents that no one cares about

that is all

[tekung89]

Instead of wasting all this time with the classic OzHonda cliche of 'that's just my personal opinion, each to their own', how about you take things less personally and discuss based on FACTS and LOGIC.

You stated that $5,000 was "abit pricey" with no following evidence. You failed to justify your claim so I decided to rebutt.

Can you see how a comment like mine is justified when I get a response of "lol seriously.."? That is the response of a child, not an adult. Which are you?

lol omg since ur taking this well .. let me pm u my 'justified' response with some 'evidence' since u care so much

[tekung89]

hectic build man, 5k is cheap

[A-man]

lmao...

[kikxz]

i saw the youtube clip this thing goes hard man congratso n the final product now just wish you were in melb so we could have you on the DA crew melb :D

[A-man]

b good if the dacrew was goin better...

[kikxz]

yeah its gone quiet on there at the moment all those members but no ones saying anything except for the regulars !!! how does that work ?

[A-man]

yeh maybe u can boost it a little