2009 Model Honda JAZZ Pics, Specs & Pricing

[johnnythehondaman]

Hi all, i have been with this forum for about 2 years.

My last login is Jazz GD3TypeR, unfortunately i forgot my password and i have to create a new login name.

On thursday, August 14 i will have the pics and specs upload to this site.

The new jazz is here in Australia and my connection from the honda dealer told me the vehicle is on display and ready to test drive this thursday.

So far, the price remain the same but will added 120 changes/improvement over the previous GD3 model jazz.

:eek:1.3 GLI gets i-VTEC 73KW/127NM

and

:D1.5 VTI and VTIS gets 88KW/145NM

The specs are very high on VTI and VTIS model.

Available in 5 speed manual(refined) and 5 speed Auto(From civic)

VTIS gets more aggressive front bumper, rear diffuser rear bumper.( No tailgate spoiler and fog lights are optional.) 16'' alloys, front, side and curtain a/bags, CD/Mp3 player (Alpine),
ABS, alarm, audio control on wheels, cruise control, disc brakes all round, trip , fuel consumption and distance to empty iNFO-display. Stay tune, more update on thursday.-JohNNny Boy (johnnymissu@hotmail.com)

[SOULJAHZ]

where the pics mate?

[UNLS1]

lol all specs and prices have been posted, welcome to 2 weeks ago.

use the 'search' function on these forums so u can find the info already posted that we have already seen!

[johnnythehondaman]

hi all, i try to upload the pics and it failed????

anyone know how i can post pics here?


Each pic is about 400KB

ta

johnny

[UNLS1]

pics have ALREADY been posted

CLICK THE LINK TO SEE JOHHNY!

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95586

[johnnythehondaman]

http://photobucket.com/johnnythehondaman

please check all photo update there

regards,

johnny

[johnnythehondaman]

i work with VT3C, as far as i'm aware he's doing a good job of updating the public. So you can count on us to provide you with the latest news in Honda.

[bobioso]

[QUOTE=johnnythehondaman;1844958]
The new jazz is here in Australia and my connection from the honda dealer told me the vehicle is on display and ready to test drive this thursday.
QUOTE]

I called Honda dealer in Adelaide last Friday and he told me that cars will be in dealerships on 18 August. It would be really good to test drive it this weekend. :)
Can you 'Honda guys' (preferably from South Oz) confirm availability of new Jazz for test drive this weekend.

Cheers,
bobioso
www.bobisco.com

[johnnythehondaman]

In W.A, 09' Model Jazz will be in the dealer for viewing and possible for test drive (appointment's essential) on 14 August 08. SPECS are below;

2009 HONDA JAZZ SPECS;-

Overall Width mm 1695
Overall Length mm 3900
Overall Height mm 1525
Wheelbase mm 2500
Tread (front/rear) mm 1490/1475
Ground Clearance mm 150

Curb Weight kg 1040-1080

Turning Radius at Body m 5.2
Turning Radius at Wheel Centre m 4.9

Engine Engine type Water Cooled 4-stroke SOHC i-VTEC

Fuel Supply System PGM-FI


Compression Ratio 10.5
1.3L 73KW/127NM
1.5L 88KW/145NM

Transmission 5 speed AUTO or 5 speed manual

Steering Type Rack and Pinion with Electric Power Assist
Overall ratio 16.09
Turns, lock to lock 3.29

Brake System Brake Type Front Ventilated Disk, 262mm
Brake Type Rear Disk, 240mm
Parking Brake Type Hand Brake
Brake Circuit Split service brake

Suspension Suspension Type Front Strut
Suspension Type Rear Axle torsion beam
Shock Absorber Gas Pressurized

Tires and Wheels Tire Size 175/65 R15
Wheel Size/ Type 15 x 5 1/2J SP

16 " alloys for VTIS (AUS) or (RS in Japan)

Other Fuel Tank ltr 42

[Zimp13]

pics have ALREADY been posted

CLICK THE LINK TO SEE JOHHNY!

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95586

pics dont work since last time!!!!

[beaugus]

Anybody know if we're getting the USB/Ipod connection option, and what about hands free bluetooth?

[BiLL|z0r]

USB/IPod Yes, bluetooth is an option now so now reason why it won't be an option later.

[johnnythehondaman]

hmm..........i've saw 2 new 2009 model Jazz on the weekend in WA already. They look better then in photos.

[panda[cRx]]

most dealerships should have them now, we have about 5-6 atm

[johnnythehondaman]

no i mean i saw it on the streets!!! 1 black and 1 silver. Mother fucXer! How come everyone is telling me that you only can license and pick up your car after 1 SEPT????? One of the silver VTIS jazz is from Honda North!

[akaiEG5]

You can only pick up the car after the 1st of september beacause thats when the first batch of cars will be ariving. During the first or the second week of september. not long left though....

ohh yeh and btw the price will drop dramatically by 2k in 3 months time during the end of year sale. :)

[Tofu]

no i mean i saw it on the streets!!! 1 black and 1 silver. Mother fucXer! How come everyone is telling me that you only can license and pick up your car after 1 SEPT????? One of the silver VTIS jazz is from Honda North!

these cars may have been dealer registered demonstrators?

how does the black one look?

[SPEEDCORE]

Black is nice dude..... but I think the white is the best. Just wish it was a pearlescent white.

[akaiEG5]

Tofu i've been told honda dealers had a conference on the new jazz and all employees where able to test drive each one of the models. it probably was them.

ohh and btw no moon roof nor sunroof for the new jazz even on the vti-s model in australia :(... and cant choose the active plus+ body kit as an option just like japan. also the vti-s dosnt have a leather stearing wheel.... but overall still good. still won the small car award in japan or something rather.

[Ikaros]

will rear wing spolier become part of optional? or not even exist anymore??

[m0nty ITR]

no i mean i saw it on the streets!!! 1 black and 1 silver. Mother fucXer! How come everyone is telling me that you only can license and pick up your car after 1 SEPT????? One of the silver VTIS jazz is from Honda North!

Because you're a n00b. :p

Manufacturers don't want the cars reported until after September 1st to make launch month look massive on VFACTS so they can beat their chests wildly.

[johnnythehondaman]

Some dealer can "bend" the rules. I got told the same thing that you only can pick up the new jazz after end of AUGUST.It is clearly the new 09 jazz i saw with custom private number plates. Today i've got a JAZZ Showbag and i've got a copy of the new JAZZ brochure and accesories brochure. A lot of the item is optional. Carbon fibre alike side mirror, diffuser bodykits (look very good!). Fog lights, rear tailgate spoiler. etc. I have taken photos and posted on photo bucket.
http://s508.photobucket.com/albums/s327/johnnymissu/

[Mikes_DC5R]

Black is nice dude..... but I think the white is the best. Just wish it was a pearlescent white.

im pretty sure we have that option in AUS. to get a jazz pearlescent white. I'm test driving one at my local dealership this saturday. will be test the Auto and manual..

Considering downgrading, due to my driving style and fuel consumption which is killing me, Readinf reveiws they say this will give you 5.1-5.5 litre p/100kms on public roads, and 4.1-4.5 on freeways..

my dc5r does 10-11.. really considering it since i do 500km a week:thumbsup:

[johnnythehondaman]

Mikes: http://s508.photobucket.com/albums/s327/johnnymissu

For pics

[SPEEDCORE]

im pretty sure we have that option in AUS. to get a jazz pearlescent white.

Unfortunately you will find its not.

[Mikes_DC5R]

That BS! i'll be 110% if i can get a champ white jazz

[UNLS1]

That BS! i'll be 110% if i can get a champ white jazz

im 92438569503245739485% sure u cant!

[95331140]

I saw the Taffeta White VTi-S jazz yesterday and it looks racey!

Not sure how much of a difference this is to "Championship white'...

[SPEEDCORE]

That BS! i'll be 110% if i can get a champ white jazz

Well considering Taffeta is a solid white.... and Championship White is pearlescent and traditionally limited to R cars... I guess your shit out of luck. Thought you would have been aware of that being an R owner and all.

[95331140]

Saw a launch of the new Jazz at Scotts Honda, Artarmon last night.

Couple of issues I didn't like:

* Boot in the jazz is now covered by a rear, removable parcel shelf, rather than a wind-up cover. The Parcel shelf is totally impractical seeing that its a lot harder to store in the car when you put the back seats down. Overheard a few complaints about this last night.

* Fog lights are a $450 (installed) option on the VTi-S. (Standard on previous model)

* Leather steering wheel is not an option on the VTi-S. (Standard on the previous VTi-S model)

Yet the marketing manager bloats on how prices haven't changed! What a joke!

Yes, we get Cruise control (WOW, a button on the steering wheel!) and curtain airbags (Which I'll never probably use!).

Seems we have lost a few tangible/usable features.

On the plus:
* Cabin is more airy than the outgoing model.
* Seats are slightly bigger and more supportive.
* Steering wheel adjustment (Tilt and telescopic) is excellent.
* Window sill seems slightly higher which gives an impression of more protection. I like!

Just a few observations. Will take it for a test drive sometime soon..

[Tofu]

isn't the new Jazz a few grand cheaper?
maybe that's how/why they can make it cheaper by taking stuff out.

[95331140]

Nope, same pricing as before, as far as I've been told.
(And the marketing manager blabbed on about)

[spoon_civ]

Just put a deposit on the VTI manual. Pricing are pretty much the same as the GD. Must say the GE interior is quite nice. Too bad that we don't get the moon roof as an option.

[800ZR]

Hey Spoon, mind tell us what extra goodies did you get with the VTI and how much? did you get cruise control as extra?

[spoon_civ]

Didn't get much goodies only scored free mats lol......no cruise control as they only come standard on the vti-s. 22k for the VTI. Car is there and ready but cant pick it up until the end of Aug (official release date). Suppose if I waited for a few months , I might've got a better price!

[VT3C]

* Leather steering wheel is not an option on the VTi-S. (Standard on the previous VTi-S model)

Check your facts before you get on your soap-box hahaha - the VTiS sitting in front of my office has a STANDARD LEATHER STEERING-WHEEL...


Yet the marketing manager bloats on how prices haven't changed! What a joke!

The pricing structure for this model HASNT changed technically.. but the spec option HAS. The bse-model GLi is the same price as the old model however we now have the 'Safety Pack' option like other manufacturers. The GLi (SP) adds $1,000 for the side and curtain airbags (and also the trip-computer functions) and as for the VTi and VTiS, we only have the Safety Pack varients. so the price on the car is the same plus $1,000 for the extra airbags.


Yes, we get Cruise control (WOW, a button on the steering wheel!) and curtain airbags (Which I'll never probably use!).)

I'm glad you dont care about Cruise Control, but from my experience on the floor, half of our Jazz customers ask for Cruise Control as an option, and from my personal experience, city driving without cruise control is a pain and I greatly welcome the Cruise COntrol and see it as quite a substantial feature / upgrade to the new mode - it's just a pity it's ONLY on the VTiS model. Believe it or not, Cruise control is more than 'just a button' on the steering wheel hahaha..

as for you not 'using' the airbags.. no comment.. darwinian theory pops into mind hahahaha

[SPEEDCORE]

I agree with everything you say bar the cruise being good for the city... I find little use for it in city driving but definately great on freeways/motorway.

[VT3C]

haha yeah i guess that's a personal thing.. some people dont feel comfortable using cruise in the city.. but the roads I drive are littered with speed-cameras not to mention 50 zones etc.

[SPOON EK-KyuU]

I want a JAZZ type-R !

[SPOON EK-KyuU]

Suzuki got a Swift SPORT with bucket seats and stuff, Honda should bring on a JAZZ type-R with a L15A 1.5L i-VTEC DOHC 100KW+ motor!

[Fizz]

dont think there will ever be a jazz type R, but if anything i would still like to see a jazz vti-r at least. Imagine one with 100kw, retuned susp, and bucket seats.....woohooo!

[95331140]

Honda has gone all fuddy-duddy of late with their sport variants which is crap!

If they were to do it to the jazz, it would just be a sticker job and bigger wheels at most, ala Current Civic type R, and Previous Integra type R.

[040501912]

honda aus wont bring 1 in as the base is JAZZ = efficient car not some sport car like Civic type r.. lol

in their review for not putting stability ctrl because its not necessary for a slow car <-- whats is the meaning of slow according to honda huh??

[earth55]

does any1 know if you can get after market stuff already for the jazz 09.. i.e. SPOON

[040501912]

LOL..

i looked at yahoo jp this is what they got atm..
Suspension
RS-R coilover, springs
Tein Coilover

Handlings,
Cusco under braces, swaybars, strut bars

Others,
2din head unit facia
LED tail light
BODY KIT!!!! alot of them and looks nice :p

Performance
HKS muffler
TopFuel intake system
Kart Station Intake system <- best i have seen! come with the duct too (45.000 yen)
Powergetter muffler

i guess for exhaust system they are similar to the GD3 model..
the engine are basicly same.. L15 or L13 just upgraded HEAD!! to i-Vtec..

[040501912]

NOPE only 1 available and its even an option on the vti-s model, which came std factory before =.=..

we had the shot 1 not the over hang type the 1 similar to the old1

[UNLS1]

honda aus wont bring 1 in as the base is JAZZ = efficient car not some sport car like Civic type r.. lol

in their review for not putting stability ctrl because its not necessary for a slow car <-- whats is the meaning of slow according to honda huh??

a jazz is a slow car!

[040501912]

a jazz is a slow car!

still can reach 220 :p

[Nax]

lol i think its not so much slow as the situations it will be driving in are generally going to be city driving/careful driving as the main demographs for the car are older people and women.

if u want stability control just put a bunch of fish tanks in the back, water should counterbalance;)

[Dreams]

i test drove the new VTI-s the other day, what a yellow colour haha. the transmission is the thing have to get use to if you are thinking of upgrading. the rest is nice, cant complain much. better tyres on them now, sound deadning pretty good too. the interior is hektik with plenty of holes for storage lol,.. .. a bitch to clean

[kongfu]

new design of course more new features.

but seriously I think new jazz is a bit over rated for the $ I would buy a secondhand Euro or EP3.

But its still good for missus : )

[Jake02]

new design of course more new features.

but seriously I think new jazz is a bit over rated for the $ I would buy a secondhand Euro or EP3.

But its still good for missus : )

You say that, but really what has the new jazz gained or lost over the old one?
Gains over old model:
Some more airbags, some more power/torque, maybe a style upgrade, cruise control on the VTI-S, AUX Jack, proper independant rear suspension/rear disc brakes. Anything else?
Losses over old model: Wing mounted side indicators (not standard on old VTi), Electronic folding mirrors (surely a cool thing -its standard on a $16k yet a $600 option on a Merc CLS500), LED Rear Lights (which, oddly, other market new jazzzzzes get - maybe it contains rear fog lights which aren't needed here) and the really easy and cool old radio controls, Standard front fog lights on VTi-S.

And plus: Where is the panoramic roof and climate control on o/s markets?

This is a link to the Honda Thailand website which is where our jazzes are made and look at thier one:
http://www.honda.co.th/jazz/

[kongfu]

You say that, but really what has the new jazz gained or lost over the old one?
Gains over old model:
Some more airbags, some more power/torque, maybe a style upgrade, cruise control on the VTI-S, AUX Jack, proper independant rear suspension/rear disc brakes. Anything else?
Losses over old model: Wing mounted side indicators (not standard on old VTi), Electronic folding mirrors (surely a cool thing -its standard on a $16k yet a $600 option on a Merc CLS500), LED Rear Lights (which, oddly, other market new jazzzzzes get - maybe it contains rear fog lights which aren't needed here) and the really easy and cool old radio controls, Standard front fog lights on VTi-S.

And plus: Where is the panoramic roof and climate control on o/s markets?

This is a link to the Honda Thailand website which is where our jazzes are made and look at thier one:
http://www.honda.co.th/jazz/


Have a look this one:
http://www.tudou.com/player/player.swf?iid=13287819 They said that GD3 is still better in terms of performance.

[redmugenjazz]

LOL..

i looked at yahoo jp this is what they got atm..
Suspension
RS-R coilover, springs
Tein Coilover

Handlings,
Cusco under braces, swaybars, strut bars

Others,
2din head unit facia
LED tail light
BODY KIT!!!! alot of them and looks nice :p

Performance
HKS muffler
TopFuel intake system
Kart Station Intake system <- best i have seen! come with the duct too (45.000 yen)
Powergetter muffler

i guess for exhaust system they are similar to the GD3 model..
the engine are basicly same.. L15 or L13 just upgraded HEAD!! to i-Vtec..

hey do you know if this is dohc or single cam with i vtec?

[040501912]

sohc still which comes with 2 stage vtec .. thats what they said .. i cant confirm them..

[redmugenjazz]

2 stg vtec, is it true that the first kick is from the butterfly valve opening (3-4k) and the second is when the cams kick in (5-5.5k)?

[040501912]

GOT my GE8 jazz Yesterday ;) will post up picture soon!

The handling of this new jazz is AWESOME!! is like driving the EG hatch or my old CD5 accord with a little bit of sussy done.

The jazz with stock suspension can still take corner pretty quick!! and not much of the body roll!

thumbs up for the stability!

but i had 1 thing to ask
Do you guys had VTI-S manual? mine doesn't come with ARM REST !!!

i asked the dealer they don't even know yet.. because is the first shippment and they dont have many VTi-S man.. apparently only 1 on them which i took,

thx

[Joe kickarse]

Arm rest is optional?

[040501912]

IT'S a tick on the brochures!! im might get a complain to the honda Australia if i found it it didn't come with the VTi-S jazz lol..

[Joe kickarse]

Says on website it's optional extra...

[Nax]

it comes on the vtis, thats it

[040501912]

Says on website it's optional extra...

got a link?

[Joe kickarse]

nope you're right, my mistake :confused:

[Dreams]

the arm rest only for the auto VTIs

[040501912]

the arm rest only for the auto VTIs

hemph.. but its not written on the brochure that the vti-s doesnt comes with it. which every 1 refers to.

may i know where you got the assumption from?

because im not happy regarding to this :thumbdwn:

[800ZR]

read somewhere (overseas forum) its illegal to have the arm rest on the manuel cos it get in the way going from 2nd->3rd and 4th to 5th

[sassy_fit_vtit]

I do think it is illegal, i have a landcruiser in manual with the standard armrest console

[800ZR]

hey sassy, sorry didnt make it clear, i was reading on a jazz GE forum. it was either fitfreak or sg.fit. but i am pretty sure you can buy aftermarket ones.

[donkeykwong]

Last week, Drive and Carsguide both had first drives with the Jazz. This week, they both had first drives with the new Ford Fiesta.

Simply, on paper, Honda has disappointed me with the pricing/value of the Aus Jazz compared to the JDM and US spec, and even the Thailand specs. We're losing a lot of good options here, for no foreseeable benefits.

The Fiesta Zetec (the equivalent to the VTI-S), is estimated to be around $21000, so lets say when it does get released in a couple months, it will be the same as the VTI-S. The spec list is nigh on impressive. Points of difference that are known are:
Sports suspension,
keyless ignition via start button,
wireless bluetooth connectivity (which comes standard on even the mid-model),
wing mirror indicators,
fog lights,
rear spoiler,
cruise control (mid-model std),
full ipod integration via USB,
plus the safety pack that is included includes knee airbags and stability control on top of what honda offer.

Plus to put what might be the final nail in the coffin of my honda jazz dream, the first year of Fiestas will be imported from Germany where they are built, and then from then on it will be from Thailand.

Most of these are simply options on the Jazz VTI-S, while they are standard on the Fiesta Zetec, and we have to foot the bill. Others arent even available or the choice has been taken away from us by Honda Australia, who seem to have little sway in the Honda World Family, because they could have brought over a great car, and we are given something that is somewhat of a tough decision to make compared to the competition.

[kongfu]

New Jazz is freaky expensive for a hatchback..

Quote from dealer for AUTO spec VTIS $27,100 drive away, VTI $24,600 drive away. WTF?

The way too expensive IMO. Even buying a used DC5R and EP3R is better alternative.

[dyljoy]

Honda's vehicle always stick with higher price compare to another brand, and we have no chance to select the extra options, dissppoint...

[kongfu]

Honda's vehicle always stick with higher price compare to another brand, and we have no chance to select the extra options, dissppoint...

agree:thumbsup:

[KRONOS]

agree:thumbsup:

Second that, I think the new Honda Jazz shape looks quite nice but i believe the old shape is better value for money !!!

[Lock & Load]

Agreed the Jazz has been let down by the greed of Honda Australia and it is overpriced , however when it comes to re-sale value it will beat the Ford and most other cars hands down :wave:

This is our 3rd Jazz , the 1st one i sold for $2000 above my payout figure , the second one i could have sold it for $1700 above my payout figure but decided to keep it for one of my sons :)

So i cannot praise the Jazz more when it comes to keeping its re-sale value , other cars are cheaper to buy but their resale value plummets after 3 years to next to nil :thumbdwn:

Cheers
Michael

[dyljoy]

ya, resale price is one of selling point for Jazz, and this is reason why ppl choose honda over other brands, so just pick your own choice when u in the market.

[Zimp13]

Agreed the Jazz has been let down by the greed of Honda Australia and it is overpriced , however when it comes to re-sale value it will beat the Ford and most other cars hands down :wave:

This is our 3rd Jazz , the 1st one i sold for $2000 above my payout figure , the second one i could have sold it for $1700 above my payout figure but decided to keep it for one of my sons :)

So i cannot praise the Jazz more when it comes to keeping its re-sale value , other cars are cheaper to buy but their resale value plummets after 3 years to next to nil :thumbdwn:

Cheers
Michael

hm.... my fren had a vtis jazz for 3.5 years, bought for around $25k when it was just released and sold for $15k. 10k in 3.5 years.... is this considered good compared with other makes and models??

i believe its the same as the current model. i do also think that the jazz is expensive for a small car...

[kongfu]

hm.... my fren had a vtis jazz for 3.5 years, bought for around $25k when it was just released and sold for $15k. 10k in 3.5 years.... is this considered good compared with other makes and models??

i believe its the same as the current model. i do also think that the jazz is expensive for a small car...

your friend is joey?

[Jazzle]

i used to be able to justify paying abit more for a honda than its rivals, mind u i had 2 gd3 before.. both built in japan,, but i can't justify doing it for a thailand built...

but the disc brake and new engine are indeed temping :(

[dyljoy]

I think the location not affect the quality, own Thailand made's 8th civic and new accord, and they are all good quality.

[Nax]

location has no way affected quality, if people here know honda (and i should hope they do) then they would know that honda tries to be the name known for quality, they are incredibly stringint on wat is put out there and are miticulous in there checking and maintaining of standards, no matter where it is produced

[kongfu]

I think the location not affect the quality, own Thailand made's 8th civic and new accord, and they are all good quality.

+1 even Guangzhou manufactured Honda FIT and some other models like Accord, Odssey still very good quality:thumbsup:

[dyljoy]

Ya, and better features of new FIT(Jazz here) which made by Guangzhou compare to ours, damn

[kongfu]

Ya, and better features of new FIT(Jazz here) which made by Guangzhou compare to ours, damn

True:thumbsup:

[MRFIT]

your friend is joey?


Ha ha ha, how did u guess?

I'm disappointed with the new jazz, after so much hype prior to its Aus release. Value, equipments, certain style wise have gone backwards, I personally will wait for the facelift model.

[FitRS]

hey all.. sorry to start with a negative post...but is it just me or do others feel let down by Honda Australia?

The Honda Fit 08/09 could have been an awesome groundbreaking car, but what has been released in the last few weeks is nothing short of underwhelming.

Other posters already have mentioned the drawbacks of the Australian (Thai import) version to the japanese version.

I was sorely looking forward to the moon roof (Sky Roof in japan) but to find out it won't be available as an option has left me looking at other cars.

:unlove:

[Nax]

ill give you advice

stop looking at overseas models to judge wat comes out here, then you wont feel disapointed. wats released somewhere else is almost never the same as here, get over it its still a great car.

[FitRS]

Yeah. One could look introspectively and give up. Which is probably what I'll have to do.

I have a suspicion though HA are holding back on the market early adopters and will be releasing better accessories later on. Especially if that modded Fit from Thailand was actually a Thai build.


oh, I didn't look over seas, I went to the Tokyo Motor Show last year and saw them first hand. Thus I was looking forward to the release in Australia. The Australian release falls short of it's potential by a long way.

[800ZR]

ill give you advice

stop looking at overseas models to judge wat comes out here, then you wont feel disapointed. wats released somewhere else is almost never the same as here, get over it its still a great car.

think i may have to disagree here, with the mass media or the internet now a days, you cant expect consumer not compare to overseas models, especially the market honda is aiming at. In the past (say 10 years ago), most information we get about new models came from honda itself.
FitRs, i reckon honda already had the market set up nicely with the old jazz, they would had build on it by release something special, but with so many goodie missing, its disappointing. and i dont understand why people hate on the thai build? i am sure there is quality management.... or is there..!?

[Jazzdude]

I had my Jazz serviced yesterday and I got the new Jazz as a courtesy car. I was really looking forward to test driving it. The car I got was hardly used (only did approx 100km). My first impression when I got in the car was that it was a bit more roomy and I like the new stereo/CD console. Also this model has side curtain airbags. I also liked the steering wheel controls (sound system etc.) and there a couple of extra cup holders and an extra glove-box. There are 3 baby seat anchors at the back and there is now a headrest for the rear centre seat. The sun-visor has a larger mirror (I'm desperately trying to find positivs here) But it all went downhill from there.

Now before I continue, I must stress that this is my opinion only. I ended up driving the car to work, then uni, then home, then shopping before going back to the dealer for the drop-off. I did about ~150km's in it all up.

I've already said what I like about the new version. Now for the con's. The car lacks power slightly. It may not make sense on paper, but I own a gli 03 model (which was getting a 90k service) and believe me, it feels like it has more power (better acceleration). This may be down to the new conventional gearbox whereas mine has cvt. The cvt is way better than the current gearbox as I found this one to be a bit noisy when on 1st gear (also cvt is just a much more smoother ride) and jerky at times. I just really hated the gearbox.

Also, I drove the car like I do my own car and the fuel consumption reading was 6.7L/100km whereas mine is 5.9-6.0L/100km.

The plastics used inside the car have a very cheap feel to them. And the centre console (where the cup holders are) is very badly designed! My left knee was resting on it all the time and that are of the console isn't curved, instead it's a corner. There is no where else to put one's leg (and I'm used to placing my knee there as in my car, there isn't anything there as the console ends way above it). My knee is still hurting.

The actual radio/CD player controls on the console suck. as there is only one control knob for volume, tuning and the equaliser. Also, the stereo can't actually be turned off, bringing the volume to 0 is the equivilant to switching it off (I didn't spend too much time trying to turn it off, so I may be wrong, but I couldn't figure out how to do it.). But the actual sound quality is good.

The rear hatch just sucks. The opening/closing isn't very smooth and the handle on the inside is awkward. The interior door trim is not very impressive; thin cloth over cheap hollow sounding plastic.

There a couple of things missing in this model, the side mirrors don't have indicators and they don't have the mechanised folding. Also, the whole side mirror isn't painted, as some parts visible from inside are just black plastic, which looks ugly.

It would have been nice to have triptronic controls. Which reminds me, the gear knob is fugly and again has a cheap feel to it.

Overall, I didn't like it and my advise to anyone considering buying it would be to either wait for the facelift model, test drive the Vtis (I don't know what that's like) or look at another car.

I really like my Jazz and was thinking about maybe upgrading to this one, but that's out of the question for the time being. I wouldn't take this new Jazz if they offered it as a trade for my Jazz for free. The original Jazz was a great car, and this new one is a great dissapointment. Honda Australia needs to lift it's game. The car needs more features as standard (fog lights, triptronic controls, folding side mirror & indicators, etc.) and more options (sunroof, inbuilt gps, etc.) and finally the interior needs to be changed to make it a more comfortable place to sit and drive. And bring back the CVT as this gearbox isn't very good at all.

[dyljoy]

thx for your opinion, I want its facelift model release asap, but i know it won't be happen in short period, sad.

[kongfu]

thx for your opinion, I want its facelift model release asap, but i know it won't be happen in short period, sad.

+1 haha:D GD3 still better:thumbsup:

[Nax]

i just think its a bit silly, people dont expect all the technology that is released in japan to come out here, or all the movies that are in america to come out instantly here (theres a massive lag on some movies believe it or not) You cant blame honda for you looking elsewhere and then getting disapointed with what they give you. because truth be told the australian market is grossly different to the american and japanese markets, which is why we dont even get some of the models, let alone accessories that they get elsewhere. the honda market in aus is still just a baby, and it would be suicide to think it could support heaps of models. plus if u put the moon roof and all the accessories in it, it would jack up the price, and the 90&#37; of the jazz market who buys them cuz they are cheap and simple get around cars would probably go elsewhere (as they already do to some extent because almost all small cars are cheaper)

[Jazzdude]

i just think its a bit silly, people dont expect all the technology that is released in japan to come out here, or all the movies that are in america to come out instantly here (theres a massive lag on some movies believe it or not) You cant blame honda for you looking elsewhere and then getting disapointed with what they give you. because truth be told the australian market is grossly different to the american and japanese markets, which is why we dont even get some of the models, let alone accessories that they get elsewhere. the honda market in aus is still just a baby, and it would be suicide to think it could support heaps of models. plus if u put the moon roof and all the accessories in it, it would jack up the price, and the 90% of the jazz market who buys them cuz they are cheap and simple get around cars would probably go elsewhere (as they already do to some extent because almost all small cars are cheaper)

I understand what you're saying, but why bring out a new model which is inferior to the equivilant old one? It doesn't do the brand any favours. For the current spec model, the price is way too high. Not worth it.

[Nax]

ya fair enough,. but believe it or not most people seem to make buying decisions based on looks and ride, which this car has, they couldnt really be fussed whether or not it has every bell and wistle. its a fairly cheap, reliable, fuel sipping car. the reason they didnt change much is because it was already doing massive sales in comparison to other cars, why mess with a good thing? they tweaked the style, added things like ipod adaptor, and made the auto gearbox more reliable, and they are still selling like u wouldnt believe

[Jazzle]

ill give you advice

stop looking at overseas models to judge wat comes out here, then you wont feel disapointed. wats released somewhere else is almost never the same as here, get over it its still a great car.

so true, it's not just honda.. if you look at the mazda2, the one u get in japan gets 83kw,, the one we get only has 74kw LOL AHHA...

if you're to compare, should compare with other models that we can actually get in australia..

i reckon the new jazz has better spec than the old one.. probably coz i dont care much about what gadgets come with the car like fog light etc... the higher-revving engine and disc brake turn me on big time haha... and it's roomier and comes with curtain and side airbag, and imo better interior...

howeever i still find them to be exxy comparing to its competitors... eg: mazda2 neo 1.5L is only $500 more expensive than the 1.3 GLi... :(

jazzdude.. were you testdriving the gli?? it's probably less responsive coz the new l13a now produce less torque in low rev range than the last one... just a thought

[donkeykwong]

maybe honda australia might bow to public opinion and do something, quick facelift, maybe in early 09, or a price cut of a 1.5K or something, like Mazda with the new 6, a month after release there was a avg 2K price drop across the range because there were complaints and opinion it was over priced.

Cant wait for the wheels review on the Jazz, depending on how it goes, maybe it'll give honda australia the kick up the bum it needs so it can realise what a disaster theyve made out of what shouldve been a slam dunk of a car release.

Also, if we are comparing other aus cars, we should all take a look at the new ford fiesta, theyre dropping that baby with a whole lot of bells and whistles for what would be nearly the same price if not cheaper than the jazz. Looks like ford knows how to gain market share.

[Lock & Load]

After reading this article you may reconsider buying any Ford :)

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Community/Car-Magazines-Blogs/Ben-Oliver-Blog2/Big-Three-in-big-trouble/



Big Three in big trouble: meltdown in Motown

By Ben Oliver


17 September 2008 10:11


At the end of last week CAR spoke to some senior car industry analysts at the big investment banks. What they told us, privately, was shocking. They said that while they could once be pretty certain that the US government wouldn’t let one of its Big Three car makers go bankrupt, they now just didn’t know. And they agreed that letting one of them go to the wall might even be a good thing.

At a stroke, it would take a lot of excess capacity out of the system and might help secure the future of the remaining two.


How Lehman's bankruptcy will affect the auto sector
This was last week, remember; before the US Government risked global financial meltdown by letting Lehman Bros go bankrupt as a warning to the others. Letting GM or Ford or Chrysler go under would be far less risky.


And it seems far more likely now. After Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and now AIG, American taxpayers don’t have the appetite for many more bailouts. The further tightening of the credit crunch after the Lehman fiasco makes it even harder for the Big Three to borrow money to stay afloat. And the longer and deeper the downturn, the more likely they are to run out of cash.


So how bad is it for the Big Three?
Pretty terrible. GM lost $15.5bn (£8.7bn) in the second quarter of 2008. All three regularly post monthly sales figures down 30 percent on the same month last year. They’ve been hit by a genuine double-whammy. First, the economic downturn has seen almost all the car makers' sales slump by single figures.

But high oil prices have hammered the Big Three particularly hard; the bulk of their sales and profits in their home market are in the big, thirsty SUVs and pick-ups that US consumers are deserting in droves for smaller cars from Toyota and Honda.

How can Ford, GM and Chrysler survive the downturn?
Only by building the smaller, more economical cars their rivals already do so well. The US government has already offered at least $25 billion (£14bn) in low-cost loans to help them dump trucks, and switch their factories to building better, cleaner cars. Ford will start building six European-designed cars in the US, including the Fiesta.

GM yesterday unveiled the intelligent Volt and can share small cars with its European and Korean divisions. Privately owned Chrysler looks a lot more exposed, with little new product coming until 2010 and no wider family to help.


So will the Big Three become the Smaller Two? Ask us again in six months. Right now, nobody knows.

Would you let GM, Ford or Chrysler go bankrupt?

[FitRS]

maybe honda australia might bow to public opinion and do something, quick facelift, maybe in early 09, or a price cut of a 1.5K or something, like Mazda with the new 6, a month after release there was a avg 2K price drop across the range because there were complaints and opinion it was over priced.

Cant wait for the wheels review on the Jazz, depending on how it goes, maybe it'll give honda australia the kick up the bum it needs so it can realise what a disaster theyve made out of what shouldve been a slam dunk of a car release.

Also, if we are comparing other aus cars, we should all take a look at the new ford fiesta, theyre dropping that baby with a whole lot of bells and whistles for what would be nearly the same price if not cheaper than the jazz. Looks like ford knows how to gain market share.


I believe that happened with Toyota's release of the Camry. It was widely anticipated but also suffered post release disappointment. Thus it was re-marketed with a slightly different look & name.

I don't see why Honda wouldn't do the same.

Besides the new body shape this Jazz offering is hardly amazing in terms of features and accessories even if you were to compare it with other current domestic offerings.

[FitRS]

I took the VTi for a spin today at Honda.

Pros:
Handles well - no understeering
Acceleration
Right side mirror convex so allows for greater visbility
Maintained power with two adults and air con running
1.5L ivtec

Cons:
Already mentioned value on the car
Lack of standards & accessories
I mean even the arm rest in the VTi is an "option".

Price 24700 otr. no extras

Besides the new body shape & magic seats, nothing really stands out in this car.

I feel sorry for the sales staff. This car as it is, is hard to sell.



Anyway, went across the road to Mazda to compare the 2 and 3.

Took the 3 neo sport for a spin.
Pros:
standards already in place
M day sale promo (head light protector, auto lights on in dark, bluetooth kit, extra 3 year dealer warranty)
Auto/Manual transmission (like the old jazz)
15" alloys
great to drive
fully imported from Japan
2.0L

Was not expecting to buy a car today, but walked away putting a deposit for the Mazda 3 Neo Sport.
Accessories thrown in:
Tints 35&#37;
boot tray
boot lip
mats
alarm

price of 24500 otr.

It was impossible not to go for it after doing a driving and interior review. I needed a new car. I waited for this 2008/2009 model but it wasn't anything like the Jazz of 08. I'm still sad I didn't get a Honda, but I'm happy that I got a decent deal for a good car.

[kongfu]

Well,as you said no understeer for new jazz is impossible. Understeer is common for FWD car

[Zimp13]

i wanted the new jazz but not anymore....... even the new accord gives me problems.... sick of it........ doesnt matter made in jpn or thailand.... thats the best of honda quality..... but doesnt mean that its bad quality.... u just get wat u pay for.........

[Lock & Load]

FitRS

Good luck on your Mazda 3 , however are you aware of the new 2.5 ltr Mazda 3 being released early 2009 , mate you have bought an outgoing model thats been around for years yes its not a bad car but i wouldnt be paying top $$$ for a superceded Mazda :zip:


Cheers
Michael

[larrrz]

I thought the 2.5L was only for SP25?

[FitRS]

Well,as you said no understeer for new jazz is impossible. Understeer is common for FWD car
Dunno, the steering was very responsive. I'm driving an old Toyota Corolla and an aging Nissan NX at the moment and the Jazz was tight in control. I found myself having to turn less than I would normally spin the wheel.

To contrast the Mazda 3 I drove also yesterday was more like my two old cars, which we're getting rid of.


FitRS

Good luck on your Mazda 3 , however are you aware of the new 2.5 ltr Mazda 3 being released early 2009 , mate you have bought an outgoing model thats been around for years yes its not a bad car but i wouldnt be paying top $$$ for a superceded Mazda :zip:


Cheers
Michael

Thanks Michael. Believe me I always get purchases guilt on buying stuff and this morning was no different. The top dollar comment has only heightend that. :(
At the end of the day, I'm not too worried that it's an out going model. I know the new 6 has it's new revision out and it looks good. I feel I missed an opportunity in December 07 when I test drove the Jazz VTi 07 model because it was fully featured, much more than this 08/09 Jazz for the same price.
As for the price of the Mazda 3 I know I could of squeezed more but it's not such a bad buy is it? :confused: ;) It's a probably a better size for my family as my wife needs this car and we have an 8 month old who still sits in a safety chair. I compared the interior space and it would be cramped with the saftey chair and two adults in the back for the Jazz.

As for Civic, I'm not a huge fan of the body and the interior. The price again is not as competitive.

Plus if the 3 doesn't work out at least I've got some lead time to wait for the Honda Australia to upgrade the Jazz, which I'm more certain they will do.

[Lock & Load]

As long as you keep the mazda 3 for a few years and dont try to upgrade to the newer model you have done well but if you try and get out of it in a hurry you may miss out .

Dont worry be happy :)

Cheers
Michael