Mugen Vs Spoon Baffled Sump

[l3vnd1]

Well I have been looking at purchasing one of these and have noticed on nengun a price difference of $50

Spoon: $260

Mugen: $310

Any reason why? Do they do the same job? Spoon seems to be the more popular choice.

I assume they both just minimise oil starvation in hard G cornering.

[Slaz]

The Mugen comes fitted with a heart shield on the underside protecting it from header heat im unsure if the spoon one does but yes, fitted with a baffle plate to avoid oil starvation at the pick up point during hard cornering, if you track then its a good investment, but in saying that, alot of places sell baffle plates that u can tack to your existing oil pan doing the same job much cheaper.

[geeang]

If you ever go to JDMYard, they can actually do a custom baffle upgrade of your existing baffle sump for $30.

[DLO01]

They both will do the job. Mugen is better. :thumbsup:

[Chi]

Why is mugen better?

Because its $50 more?

You comment doesnt make sense if both do the job.

[Slaz]

Only reason you'd put the Mugen 1st IMO, is the heat sheilding applied to it.

As Geeang said, JDM Yard, Toda Oz and probably others do a baffle plate, Moroso also do a few B series pans worth looking at.

[DLO01]

Why is mugen better?

Because its $50 more?

You comment doesnt make sense if both do the job.

Mugen also has vertical baffles. It is better.

....But both will do the job. :p

And yes I forgot, the Moroso is better and cheaper than Spoon and Mugen.

....But all three will do the job. :p

[Elwood]

If you ever go to JDMYard, they can actually do a custom baffle upgrade of your existing baffle sump for $30.

Thank god. Ive been looking at having this done.

[VTECACCORD]

So much mis-information in this thread it's unbelieveable.

Mugen pan does not come with any heat shielding at all, neither does spoon.

Spoon Pan

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/jdmconcept-com-au/spoon/baffledsump.jpg

Mugen Pan and Spoon pan side by side. Spoon is the unpainted one.

http://www.members.aol.com/siracer/images/oilpans.jpg

Mugen Wins, spoon loses , blown motor owns all when rivets fail from ur riveted in baffle

[l3vnd1]

So much mis-information in this thread it's unbelieveable.


Mugen Wins, spoon loses , blown motor owns all when rivets fail from ur riveted in baffle

What do you mean by this? Can you elaborate as to why?

[aaronng]

What if you have a DC2 with a K24A block conversion. Can you still use a K20A baffled sump?

[JasonGilholme]

Mugen Wins, spoon loses , blown motor owns all when rivets fail from ur riveted in baffle

only if you've removed the mesh screen which protects your sump pick up

They all do the same job.

Morosso comes with a turbo drain and oil temp sensor fitting if you need them as well. :thumbsup:

[VTECACCORD]

Morosso pans in my opinion and from what I have read are more trouble than they are worth.

It is also my personal opinion that rivets being used in the oil pan of an engine that vibrates like crazy is not advisable.

The quality of the mugen pan is 100 times better than the spoon pan, the spoon pan looks home made.

[DLO01]

You are wrong. The Moroso pans are not rivited in. They are welded in.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/DLO01/Temp/20911_part.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/DLO01/Temp/20911_inside.jpg

[Zilli]

that looks like a nice pan (moroso) does it follow the same profile in depth as the stock pan? ie ground clearance issues at all?

I like the idea of an oil temp sensor, although its a lot of stuffing around when you can get the sensor put on the oil filter fitting correct?

How much is the moroso pan?

[JasonGilholme]

The best place to measure oil temp is in the pan. Not at the oil filter location. (mine is mounted in the pan with the stock gear)

The morossoe has a thread and everything already there, and comes with a blank to fill it if you don't need it.

Not sure on price, should be hard to find from the US tho. ;)

EDIT: found it! lol

http://tunertoys.zoovy.com/product/20911/Moroso_Steel_Oil_Pan_for_9401_Integra_9900_Civic_S i_Fits_ALL_BSeries_Engines.html

$130 US

Dimensions Diagram:

http://static.zoovy.com/img/tunertoys/-/S/steel_oil_pan_drawing.gif

[Zilli]

that is crazy cheap!

jason itd be interesting to compare that to the OEM pan's dimensions....

[Zilli]

Moroso oil pan Uses stock oil pump and oil pickup. NOTE: Type-R engines must remove lower support bracket at transmission inspection plate.

wonder what this means

[DLO01]

Its a small/long cover plate that you have to remove 1st before you take off the sump as it sort of covers it a bit. Once you take it off you can see the flywheel more. The moroso pan obviousy interfears with this cover.

[Zilli]

hmmmm... any adverse affect to having the peice off?

[JasonGilholme]

better ventilation of clutch dust from the area?? lol

I don't think there would be much difference. I'm assuming the clutch/flywheel cover still stays intact????

[VTECACCORD]

[QUOTE=DLO01;1853987]You are wrong. The Moroso pans are not rivited in. They are welded in.

QUOTE]

I never said Moroso pans are riveted, please quote my reference if I did.

I know that as the Moroso pans are made out of aluminium they do tend to have fitment issues, if you do a search on honda-tech you'll see plenty of guys who have had fitment and leakage issues, which is why I personally wouldn't bother unless its a modified stock pan.

[VTECACCORD]

hmmmm... any adverse affect to having the peice off?

I think there talking about the Type R tranny brace which GSR's and VTIR's do not have, I'm not sure why honda made a different tranny rbace for the type r, but i gotta feeling they did it for a reason.

[Zilli]

vtecaccord if you look at the link it actually says the pans are made of steel im pretty sure...

interesting to understand what the brace is for... maybe better shift feel...?

[VTECACCORD]

My bad, that must be the newer version. The older one's were made out of aluminium and were notorious for warpage.

I have seen a picture of the two different tranny braces side by side and the size difference was huge.

[Zilli]

anyone know what the prrinciplee purrpose for the tranny brace was? is it structural thing, or just to make things more taught and stiff...

[VTECACCORD]

A while back I remember watchin on one of the videos and the spoon dude (the old guy whatever his name is) was saying that at high rpm's the Type R motor and the tranny used to twist quite considerably, so as one of the improvements they used a bigger tranny brace.

And from memory the pic I saw of the gsr tranny brace made it look like a toohpick compared to the ITR brace.

So yes I think its a structural thing.

[DLO01]

I never said Moroso pans are riveted, please quote my reference if I did.

I know that as the Moroso pans are made out of aluminium they do tend to have fitment issues, if you do a search on honda-tech you'll see plenty of guys who have had fitment and leakage issues, which is why I personally wouldn't bother unless its a modified stock pan.

Its just seemed you were refering to the Moroso pan.

All good then. :thumbsup::D

[T-onedc2]

Can anyone tell me if these baffled sumps are direct replacement for P72 on VTi-R?

[EGB18CT]

Moroso Pans ftw.

1. there are multiple designs of the pan ranging from:
-Stock Replacement Steel Pan Galvanised Silver with baffle plate welded
-Stock Replacement Drag race pan kicked out design to hold 5.5qt oil with baffle Steel
-Stock Replacement Drag/Road Race pan in Aluminium Kicked out design 5.5qt
-I think there is one more, there are about 4 versions of it depending on which use you need it for, ie. stock, drag, road race, steel, aluminium.

2. Come with oil temp bung at bottom, and turbo oil return at the top, note that sometimes depending on room and how your turbo sits the turbo oil return may need to be blocked and moved to another place.

3. It's fully welded construction not cheap shit.

4. Dont get these confused with the OBX replica sump, which many have had fitment problems with the sealing edge being to wide and the bolt holes NOT lining up.

5. The normal non kicked out ones are all direct replacements for our honda's, some versions like the aluminium one and som of the kicked out design you will need to purchase the moroso oil pick up as well.

prices range from 150US i think to about 400-500US for the aluminium kicked out road race pan.

[aaronng]

Can someone shed some light if the K20A pans fit the K24A, because the K24A has a balancer unit sitting above the oil pickup which might or might not affect the oil pickup height (I myself am not sure)